Velma it was probably stevemorse.org where you could put in the address <G> Eliz On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 1:00 AM, <vjspringer@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Yes, trying to find an enumeration district  for one's family can be a pain.  I finally found my parent's family.  I used what it said on line for the district.  Well we were not there. I did several on either side of the district  but still did not find it.  I had a complete circle around where we lived at the time.  It was interesting reading because I knew someone who was in all of the districts. > > I finaly found my family 4 days later.  I just happened to hit on a site where you could  put in the exact address.  Don't ask because I can't find it again.  I did know the address.  I put it in and finally found my family.    The number of the district turned out to be about 75 numbers off from the ones  that I was looking at.  Go figure.  Some of the people in those districts that I looked at  only lived a block away from me. > > My husband's family was another story.  He lived in a small place where there were only > two districts.  I never found him.  No loss,however, because I found his grandparents and even a great grandfather.  I also found lots of Aunts, Uncles, cousins etc. > > I'll wait until they get them indexed for the rest.  I quit looking. > > Velma > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've been doing indexing of the 1940 census for FamilySearch since it was released. The images are in much better shape than previous images but as in other census, some of the handwriting is a pain. FamilySearch provides a program that you install on your computer and batches of records may be downloaded into it. You have a time period in which to finish the batches or they must be returned. Once you've uploaded those you've finished they are reviewed by an arbitrator to evaluate questionable transcriptions. There are few instances where you might be allowed to "correct" the enumerator (ie. locations). Names are transcribed as written no matter how screwed up they may appear. Corrections to them, I believe, will be made by those researching those individuals. I think because they may be in a better position to know. I've only started doing this, this year and have only uploaded about 1000 individuals - just a neophyte!! On 4/14/2012 4:36 PM, Gale Gorman wrote: > Give it time. I imagine a lot of people are working on indexing but no one was allowed to start until April 2nd. > > It takes a ton of work to go from the census format to a record searchable by computer. > > Gale Gorman > Houston > > > On Apr 14, 2012, at 2:46 PM, DeAnn Leonard wrote: > > I really don't know why Ancestor.com say they have this census. I for one > should be in it and have not found any of my family. Does anyone knew if > there is a secret to finding people?? This site sure was a waste of money as > far as I am concerned. The Other years they have are fine but not the > 1940's > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Kendall >From my experience in over forty years of researching, both for genealogy and other pursuits, I have found an incredible ignorance of the law, good research practice, and, frankly, "ownership ethics." I'd never admit it in public, but I "may" have slipped up a time or two myself. . . The law is pretty simple -- there are copyright laws, they can be researched, and abided by. Asking permission to quote is not that hard, either. You'd be amazed how many times I went head-to-head with colleagues who thought it was ok to print out thirty copies of an entire workbook for a class because "we are government employees and the copyright laws do not apply to us." WHA???? Or, "it came from xxx university and because they get tax money, they cannot copyright it." Wow. Or, the music director who doesn't have enough copies/money to supply the very large choir and who feels that as a "non-profit" the laws don't count. Whew??? BUT, that aside, copyright laws ONLY apply to works of the mind -- music, poetry, essays, etc. Copyright laws do not apply to "facts" or "information." There is no protection for "my hard work, sweat, expense, time. . . ." in gathering such facts or information from whatever source -- Aunt Mabel, the county courthouse, the census . .. So, that's the short and not very sweet version of the legal issues. In real life, of course, it's more complicated, but should suffice for our purposes here. The vast amount of our researching (read Sweat) is not protected by anyone. NOW, the question become "are people 'claiming' this research product as 'theirs?'" My experience would lead me to say "probably not." In many cases, I suspect the offender does not even know where or when s/he got the information. The person who is offending may be the fifth person in a line between the original compiler of the information and the product you see. Note how many "sources" include someone else's gedcom or other file. They are lifting wholesale, not through malice, but through ignorance of the professional, ethical, method of doing things. In a few cases where I have personally talked to an offender about this sort of thing the response was basically...oh, I didn't know there was a problem there -- if they didn't want to share why did they (a) compile the book (b) put up the tree on the web (c) leave that information in the historical society. . . . A much bigger problem for me is not who has sweat equity in the work, but how well the information is evaluated and documented. Even the statement "Pat told me..." gives the next user a better opportunity to evaluate what I said, and if I'm still around, come ask me where I got the information. Better still would be: "Pat told me. . . and she had gotten the information from. . . ." What is less ok is bypassing the "first informant" and going straight to "...the information (came) from..." Problem there is that without identifying the compiler/indexer (me) the next person in line has no way to "trust" the information. Regardless of that, any researcher worth his/her salt will re-visit the research, and the "original" source is critical. And, of course "I" am only the original source on when I was married, when my children were born, and such like that. Finally -- lazy? -- perhaps, I think some really do want to spend a minimal amount of time for maximum results. They probably run their lives that way. "Dumb?" I'd prefer "ignorant." No one has taught them about this. "Taking credit?" -- probably not usually. How often do any of these trees indicate that the poster "takes credit" for the research? Unfortunately, they are generally silent on all such claims. Of course there are those who plagiarized their way through school, hired people to take the SAT (or whatever the equivalent was). Like the poor, I guess unethical people will always be with us. But, the vast majority of people posting trees are, in my opinion, simply unknowing and unthinking. "Unknowing" we can fix. "Unthinking" is a bit harder. Wow -- two sermons today. One at church, and now here I am, delivering another. Pat In Tucosn -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kendall Caminiti Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 7:35 AM To: roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 118 Re: Ancestry, piracy, and so forth Yes, I've had that problem as well. I've gone and ASKED if I could add pictures, info someone has on a relative of mine. I have found so many mistakes in the two trees I'm working on at the moment. I posted two of them, but kept my copies as a reference to catch the errors and correct them. I agree that there is nothing anyone can do about piracy of information, and understand why many of you don't post the entire tree or just don't post a tree at all. It take many,many hours of research and for someone to "claim" it as their own is just plain silly. I've gone and put the trees I have done as private so no one can see it, and that's helped somewhat. I do have a question that may never be answered but might cause a stir (I do apologize if I have offended anyone here) are these people who lift the research either dumb or just plain lazy to the point that they take credit for work someone else has done? Puzzled, Kendall

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Velma, Why don't YOU volunteer to index ? Many states are still in the need of indexers. Even at 100,000, still needed. We already indexed 20 million persons as of yesterday per announcement to indexers and arbitrators. "We've had an amazing week and a half since the 1940 US census project started. We've already indexed 20 million records and arbitrated 10 million. We've broken records almost every day. Thank you to all involved! (And to those participating in other projects, we indexed and arbitrated 7 million additional records in the same time. Thank you!)' For the indexers and arbitrators who haven't seen the messages from the headquarters yesterday, please sign in and see two important messages. David Samuelsen On 4/14/2012 11:00 PM, vjspringer@aol.com wrote: > I'll wait until they get them indexed for the rest. I quit looking.

Re: Ancestry, piracy, and so forth Yes, I've had that problem as well. I've gone and ASKED if I could add pictures, info someone has on a relative of mine. I have found so many mistakes in the two trees I'm working on at the moment. I posted two of them, but kept my copies as a reference to catch the errors and correct them. I agree that there is nothing anyone can do about piracy of information, and understand why many of you don't post the entire tree or just don't post a tree at all. It take many,many hours of research and for someone to "claim" it as their own is just plain silly. I've gone and put the trees I have done as private so no one can see it, and that's helped somewhat. I do have a question that may never be answered but might cause a stir (I do apologize if I have offended anyone here) are these people who lift the research either dumb or just plain lazy to the point that they take credit for work someone else has done? Puzzled, Kendall -- *Do not meddle in the affair of Dragons...for you are crunchy and good with ketchup....*

That's probably how my grandfather got from Galveston to Alameda some time after 1895. Wish I had thought to ask him before 1960. He was a stoic old Englishman but that might have loosened him up a bit to talk about his travels. When I was a little boy (5 or less) my mother put me on a train to visit an aunt. I remember a note pinned on my shirt. That was in the '40s. Gale Gorman Houston On Apr 14, 2012, at 11:04 PM, vjspringer@aol.com wrote: Hi, I know how my grandparents got from Wisconsin to California in 1885. My grandfather wrote a book that he gave to family members. It was mostly story types of things. It told about taking a train from Wisconsin to where they caught the Immigrant Train. I even know the exact date when they started. When they waited in the terminal to transfer to the Immigrant Train they watched the election results of that day being projected by means of a Magic Lantern on a building that was across the street. After reaching San Francisco they took a ship down the coast to San Luis Obispo. They were met there by a relative with a horse drawn wagon. Trains were everywhere in the later 1800s. You might want to consider that. I wish that I knew how the earlier ones traveled. My ancestors were the ones who kept moving South and West almost immediately. Velma ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -----------snip---------- Gale Gorman Houston

Hi, Yes, trying to find an enumeration district for one's family can be a pain. I finally found my parent's family. I used what it said on line for the district. Well we were not there. I did several on either side of the district but still did not find it. I had a complete circle around where we lived at the time. It was interesting reading because I knew someone who was in all of the districts. I finaly found my family 4 days later. I just happened to hit on a site where you could put in the exact address. Don't ask because I can't find it again. I did know the address. I put it in and finally found my family. The number of the district turned out to be about 75 numbers off from the ones that I was looking at. Go figure. Some of the people in those districts that I looked at only lived a block away from me. My husband's family was another story. He lived in a small place where there were only two districts. I never found him. No loss,however, because I found his grandparents and even a great grandfather. I also found lots of Aunts, Uncles, cousins etc. I'll wait until they get them indexed for the rest. I quit looking. Velma

Hi, I share my information but I do it on a limited basis. Someone put my family in a great big tree- the kind where one compiles thousands of names. She had wrong information for my direct line. I told her several times what the correct information was but she would never change it. I guess that she didn't believe how many children some relatives had when they were my moms cousins and we visited them She didn't even believe that I knew my own birthday which she had wrong. I guess that is just as well. No one gave her permission to put living relatives on line. I don't need my birthday out there for everyone to see. I do share but I don't put my information on line. First, I print 20 copies of the lines that I have worked on each year. These go to my mom's children, grandchildren and great grandchildren at the end of each year (Christmas). When doing research I often run into a distant cousin. So far they have been descendants of a sibling of my direct line ancestor. You can't do a good job of trying to research everyone so we trade the information on our direct line. I and a second cousin have worked on information that has gone into the Archives of a County (two counties) where our ancestors lived. I think that if they go to a county (do research) to find information they are more likely to get it right. The counties are glad to get the information and display it in the Archives. We give them pictures and artifacts. I have also given a write up to rootsweb list for the generation that a family lived in a county. Again they are researching not just copying. One person put a surname list that one could Google on line. It covered several hundred years of that surname. My family had some wrong information for my direct line. When I told her and sent her the correct information she changed it. I can see why there is so much private information on Ancestry. I think one just has to be careful who one gives the information to. I really do like it when people put proofs and pictures on Ancestry, however. Velma

is now online at familysearch.org site https://www.familysearch.org/1940census/1940-census-delaware/ W. David Samuelsen

Hi, I know how my grandparents got from Wisconsin to California in 1885. My grandfather wrote a book that he gave to family members. It was mostly story types of things. It told about taking a train from Wisconsin to where they caught the Immigrant Train. I even know the exact date when they started. When they waited in the terminal to transfer to the Immigrant Train they watched the election results of that day being projected by means of a Magic Lantern on a building that was across the street. After reaching San Francisco they took a ship down the coast to San Luis Obispo. They were met there by a relative with a horse drawn wagon. Trains were everywhere in the later 1800s. You might want to consider that. I wish that I knew how the earlier ones traveled. My ancestors were the ones who kept moving South and West almost immediately. Velma

Ron- Mostly you are correct, HOWEVER, many online resources such as Ancestry WILL remove material from their site as a violation of their terms of usage of the site if you can show your copyrighted material was posted on their site. Ancestry has done this many times over and you don't have to prove you lost money. You are talking about pursuing an actual lawsuit in a court of law...I'm talking about action that will result in the removal of the pilfered material. Facts can't be copyrighted -- but swiping entire sections of a published work could be a violation of compilation copyright. Host Web sites are very attentive to claims of infringement. Joan In a message dated 4/14/2012 7:05:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronboy1@charter.net writes: I believe with all the talk of copyright you need to consider the law. You as the injured party must prove you lost money or something of value because someone copied your work. Basically if you wrote a book and some copied some or all of it, it is your problem to prove you lost book sales to be able to collect. Meanwhile you have to be satisfied to call them a thief or whatever. Another little bit. As long as you change format or something substative, you are entitled to the info and can claim it as your own. It's just like this email. Snitch it, put your name on it, sell it or whatever and unless I can prove it cost me money or the like, then no harm. We are talking the law not what is ethical or nice. It is almost impossible to prove anyway. Let's say I went to the same Clerk of Court and copied the same records as you and posted them, who is to say who 'owns' the data though both might be identical. A similar thing is in property rights. If people are using your property by walking through say for a shortcut and you do nothing effective to prevent it, don't be surprised when the town or city takes your property for a public sidewalk. Kinda of use it or lose it thing. Same as a book, if you write it but don't sell it and someone copies it, you would be hard pressed to prove a loss. I copyrighted a computer program I wrote once upon a time. I had no way to determine if anyone swiped it and profited from it so why bother with the copyright?? Cheers, Ron Submarine Vet. On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > If only names, dates, and places were taken/copied from the book there > is no copyright infringement but if entire chunks of notes or photos > or anything original was taken you may have a legal issue to pursue. > Of course, another issue is whether they credited your book as the > source...if they didn't you should at the very least ask to be > credited as the source. > Joan > PS: You could also provide the person with any corrections. In a > message dated 4/14/2012 5:21:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > hmw2173@att.net writes: > > In 1989 I put together a hard back family genealogy book. Back then > it cost, what to me was a fortune! I gave a copy to those who helped > me with information on their family side. Many others wanted one. I > assume those others wanted it > given to them also! because very few were willing to come up with any > money. I have recently found some of the information which I had > printed in the book on Ancestor com and other places on line. So I > wouldn't advise anyone to write a book, and expect to get any funds > back for the expense. That far back, (1970 - 80) family history was > found by travel, a lot of it on foot, to cemeteries, to court-house, > out of state county records, and visiting the older generation. So, > its disheartening to see information on line, and mistakes printed. > --- hmwh > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Consider every bit of info you find anywhere is the result of a statement by another human. A few folks will watch a burial of someone and know the data is accurate at that time. Go back to the cemetery a couple years later as see what was placed on the grave marker. Throw in here inability to read, write, spell, local spellings, understandings of the spoken word, etc. and it is a wonder that we even get close on a lot of records. Census records are no different. SSDI is derived from what the funeral director told SS his data likely came from the death certificate which may or not be totally accurate. Bottom line, with all the diligence in the world, you are not going to be 100% accurate on anything. Cheers, Ron Submarine Vet.

That will be NEVER then. Genealogy is a never-ending project. Every time you learn one fact you have several new questions arising from that fact. We will also NEVER have all the CORRECT information and errors in family trees that just won't die are not solely a product of the Internet (although errors spread faster and wider today than in the past). One example of an OLD error that just won't be laid to rest can be found in my own family history. When I was researching my CRISPIN ancestors (who I share with actress Meryl Streep by the way) I found out that my immigrant ancestor Silas CRISPIN is a cousin of William PENN. This was originally learned as a result of letters that were found where the two men referred to each other as cousins. The letters started a researcher back in 1929 on a quest to prove the exact cousinship. An article was published in the Penna. Magazine of History and Biography that year speculating that Silas's father, Capt. William CRISPIN had married Ann JASPER (a PENN descendant) which was incorrect. Later that same year this error was corrected in a subsequent issue of the same publication noting that the marriage record had been found for Capt. William CRISPIN and Rebecca BRADSHAW. She is the daughter of Ralph BRADSHAW and Rachel (PENN) BRADSHAW, a daughter of Capt. Giles PENN -- William PENN's grandfather. So the relationship had now been PROVEN and the earlier speculated cousinship disproven--all within the same year...1929. If you do a search on WorldConnect and other online trees you will find just about a 50/50 percentage of trees listing Ann JASPER and Rebecca BRADSHAW as Capt. William CRISPIN's wife. So after ALL these years a long since corrected error...rectified long, long before the computer and digital age, still is perpetuated in numerous trees. It will no doubt never be completely stamped out! Joan In a message dated 4/14/2012 6:30:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gale_gorman@me.com writes: Hazel, That courthouse and cemetery browsing is still the best information. I would love to do a hardbound book but not until I think I have all the ancestors I can find and new ones keep popping up. Gale Gorman Houston

I believe with all the talk of copyright you need to consider the law. You as the injured party must prove you lost money or something of value because someone copied your work. Basically if you wrote a book and some copied some or all of it, it is your problem to prove you lost book sales to be able to collect. Meanwhile you have to be satisfied to call them a thief or whatever. Another little bit. As long as you change format or something substative, you are entitled to the info and can claim it as your own. It's just like this email. Snitch it, put your name on it, sell it or whatever and unless I can prove it cost me money or the like, then no harm. We are talking the law not what is ethical or nice. It is almost impossible to prove anyway. Let's say I went to the same Clerk of Court and copied the same records as you and posted them, who is to say who 'owns' the data though both might be identical. A similar thing is in property rights. If people are using your property by walking through say for a shortcut and you do nothing effective to prevent it, don't be surprised when the town or city takes your property for a public sidewalk. Kinda of use it or lose it thing. Same as a book, if you write it but don't sell it and someone copies it, you would be hard pressed to prove a loss. I copyrighted a computer program I wrote once upon a time. I had no way to determine if anyone swiped it and profited from it so why bother with the copyright?? Cheers, Ron Submarine Vet. On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > If only names, dates, and places were taken/copied from the book there > is no copyright infringement but if entire chunks of notes or photos > or anything original was taken you may have a legal issue to pursue. > Of course, another issue is whether they credited your book as the > source...if they didn't you should at the very least ask to be > credited as the source. > Joan > PS: You could also provide the person with any corrections. In a > message dated 4/14/2012 5:21:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > hmw2173@att.net writes: > > In 1989 I put together a hard back family genealogy book. Back then > it cost, what to me was a fortune! I gave a copy to those who helped > me with information on their family side. Many others wanted one. I > assume those others wanted it > given to them also! because very few were willing to come up with any > money. I have recently found some of the information which I had > printed in the book on Ancestor com and other places on line. So I > wouldn't advise anyone to write a book, and expect to get any funds > back for the expense. That far back, (1970 - 80) family history was > found by travel, a lot of it on foot, to cemeteries, to court-house, > out of state county records, and visiting the older generation. So, > its disheartening to see information on line, and mistakes printed. > --- hmwh > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh I didn't really think I was going to find ALL of my ancestors anytime soon. It's just that some of my walls seem so close. For example my 2nd great grandfather born in Ireland in 1803 so far has no parents. At this point I have a lot of people in my tree without parents but I am gaining on them. I don't know if this is the proper method but I tend to focus on one while the others just sit and wait. All of them have been dead a long time so they're not going anywhere. I have a couple of trips planned this summer that hopefully will fill in a few gaps. Gale Gorman Houston On Apr 14, 2012, at 6:08 PM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: That will be NEVER then. Genealogy is a never-ending project. Every time you learn one fact you have several new questions arising from that fact. We will also NEVER have all the CORRECT information and errors in family trees that just won't die are not solely a product of the Internet (although errors spread faster and wider today than in the past). One example of an OLD error that just won't be laid to rest can be found in my own family history. When I was researching my CRISPIN ancestors (who I share with actress Meryl Streep by the way) I found out that my immigrant ancestor Silas CRISPIN is a cousin of William PENN. This was originally learned as a result of letters that were found where the two men referred to each other as cousins. The letters started a researcher back in 1929 on a quest to prove the exact cousinship. An article was published in the Penna. Magazine of History and Biography that year speculating that Silas's father, Capt. William CRISPIN had married Ann JASPER (a PENN descendant) which was incorrect. Later that same year this error was corrected in a subsequent issue of the same publication noting that the marriage record had been found for Capt. William CRISPIN and Rebecca BRADSHAW. She is the daughter of Ralph BRADSHAW and Rachel (PENN) BRADSHAW, a daughter of Capt. Giles PENN -- William PENN's grandfather. So the relationship had now been PROVEN and the earlier speculated cousinship disproven--all within the same year...1929. If you do a search on WorldConnect and other online trees you will find just about a 50/50 percentage of trees listing Ann JASPER and Rebecca BRADSHAW as Capt. William CRISPIN's wife. So after ALL these years a long since corrected error...rectified long, long before the computer and digital age, still is perpetuated in numerous trees. It will no doubt never be completely stamped out! Joan In a message dated 4/14/2012 6:30:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gale_gorman@me.com writes: Hazel, That courthouse and cemetery browsing is still the best information. I would love to do a hardbound book but not until I think I have all the ancestors I can find and new ones keep popping up. Gale Gorman Houston

> thank you for the replies. I was thinking more overland (or riverboat) because I've never found a northern immigration for him prior to 1883, and that one he was coming from England. so it wasn't in connection with him traveling from New Orleans to Boston. > > I still can't find him in the 1880, though I've really toyed with the search. very few German mariners show up, none with his name. very few people with either gos fukk or partial nme show up as sailors or mariners.

If only names, dates, and places were taken/copied from the book there is no copyright infringement but if entire chunks of notes or photos or anything original was taken you may have a legal issue to pursue. Of course, another issue is whether they credited your book as the source...if they didn't you should at the very least ask to be credited as the source. Joan PS: You could also provide the person with any corrections. In a message dated 4/14/2012 5:21:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hmw2173@att.net writes: In 1989 I put together a hard back family genealogy book. Back then it cost, what to me was a fortune! I gave a copy to those who helped me with information on their family side. Many others wanted one. I assume those others wanted it given to them also! because very few were willing to come up with any money. I have recently found some of the information which I had printed in the book on Ancestor com and other places on line. So I wouldn't advise anyone to write a book, and expect to get any funds back for the expense. That far back, (1970 - 80) family history was found by travel, a lot of it on foot, to cemeteries, to court-house, out of state county records, and visiting the older generation. So, its disheartening to see information on line, and mistakes printed. --- hmwh

Make no mention of hours and hours of humans indexing the information. YOu can volunteer thru Ancestry or familysearch.org or archives.gov Remember our mothers saying many hands make lite work, they were right <G> Eliz On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Gale Gorman <gale_gorman@me.com> wrote: > Give it time. I imagine a lot of people are working on indexing but no one was allowed to start until April 2nd. > > It takes a ton of work to go from the census format to a record searchable by computer. > > Gale Gorman > Houston > > > On Apr 14, 2012, at 2:46 PM, DeAnn Leonard wrote: > > I really don't know why Ancestor.com  say they have this census.  I for one > should be in it and have not found any of my family.  Does anyone knew if > there is a secret to finding people?? This site sure was a waste of money as > far as I am concerned.   The Other years they have are fine but not the > 1940's > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message