Hi Diane I don't know where you are finding your information but it does not tally In 1881 at 18 Flint street are George & Elizabeth BARKER and no one else At 10 Flint street are James H GOSLING widower 61 Tailor Devon Devonport Mary A GOSLING dau un 20 servant MDX Poplar James GOSLING son un 30 smith MDX Stepney \ James COX lodger mar 70 bootmaker Devon Kingsbridge Rebecca COX lodger 72 Devon Devonport RG11; Piece: 500; Folio: 24; Page: 41 Someone has entered James Woodley GOSLING as a correction to the James H GOSLING (he is *not* enumerated as such) No Jane age 86 As far as I can see there are no Josias GOSLING anywhere in the Country in 1881 Although the LDS have effectively chopped off the 1881 transcript, you can get at it after a fashion on new familysearch for free Ancestry and Findmypast also both state their 1881 transcript is available for free So perhaps you might like to try some more searches with other names to see if you can locate them Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi there, please could anyone with access to Ancestry kindly look up the > 1881 for JOSIAS GOSLING and tell me what he did for a living do you think? > > He lived at 18 Flint Street Bromley. > > He lived with James Woodley Gosling > Ann > Mary A > and Jane who was 86 > > Thanks very much for any answers that you might be able to give to me. > > Diane

There was a discussion some time ago about how to access Ancestry using the old way. I have forgotten it. I do not need to create a family tree. I want to access two sets of records - 1930 and 1940 censuses. How do I do that? Any advice welcome. Elizabeth C

Hi there, please could anyone with access to Ancestry kindly look up the 1881 for JOSIAS GOSLING and tell me what he did for a living do you think? He lived at 18 Flint Street Bromley. He lived with James Woodley Gosling Ann Mary A and Jane who was 86 Thanks very much for any answers that you might be able to give to me. Diane

I am trying to find the Salvation army in los angeles in 1941 for unwed mothers can anyone help me, thanks ________________________________ From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> To: Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> Cc: roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Ancestry Go to the search page, on the right under the header is a link saying "Old Search" click on that and when that page comes up, click on exact search only. As an alternate, 1930 is the only searchable census you can go to US census and search only 1930 Eliz On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> wrote: > There was a discussion some time ago about how to access Ancestry using > the old way.  I have forgotten it. > > I do not need to create a family tree.  I want to access two sets of > records - 1930 and 1940 censuses.  How do I do that? > > Any advice welcome. > >             Elizabeth C > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We have many requests for where would my ancestors landed at to go (take your choice) the below should help with thinking about that. With permission from Sue Swiggums, who runs the Ships List. In answer to a "how did my ancestors travel (inland). These costs should translate to New York to the west. Eliz They would have gone by rail. I think that most new immigrants would travel by rail all the way from Quebec, from the late 1850's, early 1860's on. There was rail from Montreal before that. This below, will not keep its format, but it will give you an idea. >>> From an information circular for Emigrants, prepared by A.C. Buchanan, > Chief Agent, Emigration Department, dated in Quebec; July 27,1853. > > MONTREAL TO THE GREAT LAKES > >>> From Quebec to Montreal 180 miles, by Steamers, every day at 5 o'clock; > through in 14 hours > By the Royal Mail Packets: 2s.0d.sterling 2s.6d.currency > By Tait's Line: 1s.6d. " > 1s.10d " > --------------------------- >>> From Montreal to Toronto, Hamilton, Buffalo, and other Ports on > Lakes Erie and Michigan. > Daily by the Royal mail Line at 9 o'clock am > Miles Stg. Cy. >>> From Montreal to Cornwall 78 4s. 5s.0d. > " Williamsburg 104| > " Matilda 112| > " Prescott 127|> 6s. 7s.6d. > " Brockville 139| > " Kingston 189 8s. 10s.0d. > " Cobourg 292| > " Port Hope 298| > " Bond Head 313| > " Darlington 317|> 12s. 15s.0d > " Whitby 337| > " Toronto 367| > " Hamilton 410| > " Niagara & > Lewiston 457 14s. 17s.6d. > " Buffalo by 489 18s. 22s.6d. > Railroad Passengers by this line tranship at > Prescott to the Lake Steamers. The cost of sea passage and railway fares varied such a lot during this period because of competition ... note the steamer fare to Montreal, above ... in 1835 it was about five times that amount. There are some comments about the 1870's here, for the 1874-1875 period. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/fares/costofpassage.shtml

One quick correction: I miswrote "Josias" as "Josiah". Drew On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Drew Smith <drewsmithtpa@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Diane <dpkms20042000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> Hi there, please could anyone with access to Ancestry kindly look up the >> 1881 for JOSIAS GOSLING and tell me what he did for a living do you think? >> >> He lived at 18 Flint Street Bromley. >> >> He lived with James Woodley Gosling >> Ann >> Mary A >> and Jane who was 86 > > In the 1881 census (10 Flint Street, Bromley) are widower James W. > Gosling, 20-year-old daughter Mary A., and 30-year-old son James > (occupation "smith"). > > The 1871 census that you had probably looked at (which had 51-year-old > wife Ann and 86-year-old mother Jane) had the family at 10 Flint > Street, not 18 (you may have misread the 10 as an 18).  In that > census, the 21-year-old son is listed as Josiah, a blacksmith. > > So the 1871 Josiah and the 1881 James appear to be the same man. > > Drew Smith

On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Diane <dpkms20042000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hi there, please could anyone with access to Ancestry kindly look up the > 1881 for JOSIAS GOSLING and tell me what he did for a living do you think? > > He lived at 18 Flint Street Bromley. > > He lived with James Woodley Gosling > Ann > Mary A > and Jane who was 86 In the 1881 census (10 Flint Street, Bromley) are widower James W. Gosling, 20-year-old daughter Mary A., and 30-year-old son James (occupation "smith"). The 1871 census that you had probably looked at (which had 51-year-old wife Ann and 86-year-old mother Jane) had the family at 10 Flint Street, not 18 (you may have misread the 10 as an 18). In that census, the 21-year-old son is listed as Josiah, a blacksmith. So the 1871 Josiah and the 1881 James appear to be the same man. Drew Smith

Hi Diane I can find nothing at all on a second Battle of Jersey ? In the various write ups of the 1781 attempted invasion by the French it states in several that :- "The 1781 invasion marked the last time the French attempted to wrest control of the Channel Islands from the British." And from Wikipedia on St Helier "From the 1820s, peace with France and better communications enabled by steamships and railways to coastal ports encouraged an influx of English-speaking residents" On the directory situation Ancestry have the 1839 Robsons Guernsey and Jersey Directory There are 49 Boot & Shoemakers by my rough count For example ANQUETIL John Boot & Shoe maker 26 Queen st ANQUETIL Louis Boot & Shoe maker 2 Colombrie Not sure what you were looking for in from the above ? What I presume is your family are in the 1841 on St Helier as John & Ann MARGREE both born England and aged 20 (but could be rounded down so 24 down to 20) John is a J Shoe m (Journeyman Shoe maker) As a Journeyman he would be working for another shoemaker but would not be listed in a trade directory, his employer may be In 1851 John is enumerated as age 30 born England he a Shoemaker, Master Employing 1 Man In 1861 Ann (as MARGERY) is a widow But you knew most of that Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi there, Diane here again. > > Last year I discovered that my family were in Jersey Channel Islands at > the later end of the second Battle of Jersey where the British were > fighting the French over the island. > > My relation (some sort of cousin)! was a shoe maker. what I would like > to know is--- is there a register of businesses in Jersey 1830-1871 does > anyone know of. > > There you have it--- my piece of chat to this list!! > > Thanks very much for reading this. > > Diane

Hi Lynn I will try and email this to you directly see what happens. No Mary Ann was born in Westmoreland, Hempfield PA. Theres just so many mistakes isn't there also her father's father was supposed to have been born in "Saxony". Henry died in Newberg born in PA not OHIO. I'll send this and see what happens Dianna No this bounced back again Lynn I have contacted Comcast 4 or 5 times now still no result, don't know what else to do really. Dianna

Could she have used another name? Reba? Becka? Becky? A great grandfather (grandmother's father) of mine seemed to have disappeared and I found him in Find A Grave buried a few counties away. He died in 1911 just after the 1910 census. I also had hit a wall for his surname and when I started exploring a new county all sorts of info opened. Some of these people moved around a lot considering how limited their mode of transportation was. You said you've already looked all over Missouri but how about neighboring states? How old was Rebecca in 1850? Where does the census say she was born? She could have gone back home to relatives. But I sure wouldn't give up. SLC is probably a good choice. If and when I go I'll have a list to take advantage of the help. Gale Gorman Houston On Apr 21, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Dorothy wrote: Hello All, I would appreciate your help. I have tried for years to overcome two brick walls and now I have no other ideas of how to search to confirm these two deaths of female ancestors who, according to best information, died in Missouri. Both of these women are my Great Great Grandmothers. I am going to Salt Lake City soon, and I would like to have some leads as to where I should search – or should I just give up? Perhaps they died and were buried by their husbands and no record was kept. 1. Rebecca HARRIS MOLER is my G-G-Grandmother and is in the 1850 Federal Census for Harrison Co., MO as the wife of William C. MOLER. I have searched 1860 censuses throughout MO and also anywhere where her relatives could have been living. I believe she died (or left her husband)between 1850 and 1854 when her husband/widower remarried in Bethany, Harrison County, MO. I have searched for church records, cemetery records and court records, all without finding any information about her or her children. I have searched for her children in 1860 censuses. All the children were born in Harrison County, Missouri. i. Henry Clay MOLER b. 3 May 1845 – Not located in 1860 Census ii. Joel Noah MOLER b. 7 Dec 1847 – Not located in 1860 Census iii. Charles “Albert” MOLER b. 1848 – Not located in 1860 Census iv. Rachel L. MOLER b. 1849 - Not located in 1860 Census 2. Hulda TUDOR SCRIVNER is another G-G-Grandmother and according to her son, my Great Grandfather, she died 6 May 1846 close to Liberty in Clay Co., MO. Her husband, John Lewis SCRIVNER, had left their farm in Estill Co., KY and settled in 1844 close to Liberty. I have searched the records of the Liberty, MO Cemetery and I have searched the newspaper articles available in the University Library, with no results. Her husband, John L. SCRIVNER returned with his family to Estill Co., KY where he lived the rest of his life. Any help would be appreciated. Should I continue to search or should I give up because chances are I will never find information about the deaths and burials of these two ancestors?

Hi All: I did a little looking regarding the Moler name -- found hints in the 1920 census for the first two boys: See what you think: In the 1920 U.S. Census I found a Henry C. Moler, age 75, born in Missouri, living in Grant, Custer Co., Oklahoma, occupation laborer in livery barn. Living with wife Sophia, age 39, and children, Henry C., Jr., son, age 20; Mattie, dau. age 19; Edward J., son, age 16; Eva, dau., age 11; and Minerva, dau. age 6. In the 1920 Census I found Joel N. Moler, age 71, born abt. 1849 in Missouri, living in 1920 at Oak, Smith, Kansas. Married to Rettia(? hard to read), age 54. Children: H. Clay Moler, son, age 31; Sadie M. Moler, dau., age 22; Ernest F. Moler, son, age 17; Roy S. Moler, son, age 13. That is all I had time for right now, but maybe these hints will give you clues for further looking for families of these people. I have access to census records earlier than 1920. Let me know if you want me to check further. Elizabeth

ODD FELLOWS: Many times the letters FLT will be found on a flag holder or on a tombstone with each letter in a link of a chain. This is actually the described logo for the Independent Order of Odd Fellows (I.O.O.F.). The letters stand for: Friendship, Love and Truth. The symbol of the three link chain goes hand-in-hand with the three words. Other branches (sub-organizations to the Odd Fellows) also go by a three word motto & logo. There is no special, additional meaning as it is placed on a headstone. It can also be found engraved in foundation cornerstones. The Independent Order of Odd Fellows is (probably) the only fraternal organization that offers a death benefit to its members, and actually has developed, supported and maintained their own cemeteries and Homes (for the aged). Although in these times, there are far fewer of these on record. The only requirement for becoming an Odd Fellow is that the applicant believe in a Supreme Being. The Order is nondenominational. See This and That Genealogy Tips, URL in my signature below, for more tips. Shirley Hornbeck - <http://www.genealogical.com/item_detail.cfm?ID=9377> <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck>

Hi there, Diane here again. Last year I discovered that my family were in Jersey Channel Islands at the later end of the second Battle of Jersey where the British were fighting the French over the island. My relation (some sort of cousin)! was a shoe maker. what I would like to know is--- is there a register of businesses in Jersey 1830-1871 does anyone know of. There you have it--- my piece of chat to this list!! Thanks very much for reading this. Diane

Hello All, I would appreciate your help. I have tried for years to overcome two brick walls and now I have no other ideas of how to search to confirm these two deaths of female ancestors who, according to best information, died in Missouri. Both of these women are my Great Great Grandmothers. I am going to Salt Lake City soon, and I would like to have some leads as to where I should search – or should I just give up? Perhaps they died and were buried by their husbands and no record was kept. 1. Rebecca HARRIS MOLER is my G-G-Grandmother and is in the 1850 Federal Census for Harrison Co., MO as the wife of William C. MOLER. I have searched 1860 censuses throughout MO and also anywhere where her relatives could have been living. I believe she died (or left her husband)between 1850 and 1854 when her husband/widower remarried in Bethany, Harrison County, MO. I have searched for church records, cemetery records and court records, all without finding any information about her or her children. I have searched for her children in 1860 censuses. All the children were born in Harrison County, Missouri. i. Henry Clay MOLER b. 3 May 1845 – Not located in 1860 Census ii. Joel Noah MOLER b. 7 Dec 1847 – Not located in 1860 Census iii. Charles “Albert” MOLER b. 1848 – Not located in 1860 Census iv. Rachel L. MOLER b. 1849 - Not located in 1860 Census 2. Hulda TUDOR SCRIVNER is another G-G-Grandmother and according to her son, my Great Grandfather, she died 6 May 1846 close to Liberty in Clay Co., MO. Her husband, John Lewis SCRIVNER, had left their farm in Estill Co., KY and settled in 1844 close to Liberty. I have searched the records of the Liberty, MO Cemetery and I have searched the newspaper articles available in the University Library, with no results. Her husband, John L. SCRIVNER returned with his family to Estill Co., KY where he lived the rest of his life. Any help would be appreciated. Should I continue to search or should I give up because chances are I will never find information about the deaths and burials of these two ancestors?

Hyphenate. "Law" will be lowercase. >I have been indexing the 1940 census for the last month or so, and have > constantly had one phrase marked as incorrect that I don't believe > should be, nor is incorrect. Perhaps someone on this list can confirm > the correct way to write the term "Son in Law", or "Mother in Law" . > Those who review my indexing entries insist the these phrases should be > entered as "Son-In-Law" or "Mother-in-Law", always using the hyphens. > I don't believe the hyphens are required grammatically. If you know the > RULES for spelling these terms please enlighten me, or give me the > "ammunition" to refute the insistence upon using them. > > Thank You > > Jim > > "Some are motivated by the stick, others by the carrot, but no one is > motivated by carrot sticks." > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there, Diane who has just joined this list again from ages ago!! Is this list a chatting list or a research list please? I would like to chat to other people who are doing research as well as I am. Thanks very much for any answers that you might be able to give to me. Diane

Hi Lynn and Pat Thanks very much again for your help, just going to meet Kathy now (Henry's GGGGranddaughter) I'm going to get all my notes that I gave to her from 2010, still making enquires at Cuyahoga and Ohio as well just to double check and see if there is an obituary or bio in some dusty old book somewhere (I wish) anyway will talk to you soon and Lynn I will still keep trying to fix the email problem when I have a clear head. Regards to you both Dianna

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Also in your original question Mother-In-Law has uppercase letters that need to be lowercase unless that is her given name. For example "Mother said..." is the way the writer addresses his mother. But "my mother said..." is just one of perhaps several mothers. Census records have come a long way but my god they are slow. In 1840 only the head of the household was named and then 100 years later they were still using longhand cursive writing. The forms we filled out in 2010 had almost no place for writing. Future genealogists will have it easy. Of course by then I imagine we'll all be in a DNA database so a computer can quickly spit out a tree. Gale Gorman Houston On Apr 21, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jim Tarbet wrote: Thank you everybody who answered my question. My only disappointment is.. I wanted to be right!! LOL Jim

My 1950s Webster dictionary says "mother-in-law" is correct. My 1947 college grammar book says to "hyphenate words chiefly to express a unit idea or to avoid ambiguity." Alta On 4/21/2012 7:37 AM, Jim Tarbet wrote: > I have been indexing the 1940 census for the last month or so, and have > constantly had one phrase marked as incorrect that I don't believe > should be, nor is incorrect. Perhaps someone on this list can confirm > the correct way to write the term "Son in Law", or "Mother in Law" . > Those who review my indexing entries insist the these phrases should be > entered as "Son-In-Law" or "Mother-in-Law", always using the hyphens. > I don't believe the hyphens are required grammatically. If you know the > RULES for spelling these terms please enlighten me, or give me the > "ammunition" to refute the insistence upon using them. > > Thank You > > Jim > > "Some are motivated by the stick, others by the carrot, but no one is > motivated by carrot sticks." > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >