Hi, YOUR "Oh, thank you! Now we're getting somewhere. So if I'm interpreting correctly, you're saying that two (or more) parties must have autosomal tests and that there's no possibility for matching my autosomal or mtDNA test with existing yDNA results to find a common ancestor who is neither direct paternal nor direct maternal. Further, I'm understanding that the more generations between test candidates and the common ancestor, the slimmer the chances of a match from autosomal testing. And that with autosomal testing a non-match is not necessarily proof of no common ancestor. Is all of that correct?" ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! Nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg

On May 17, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Mary Villalba wrote: point, and 4...the most unexpected.....my mtDNA is NOT what I would have anticipated from what I know of my ancestors and that discovery has taken me in a wonderful new direction! It was worth every penny, to me!! m Mary Villalba Denver, CO 80206 -----------snip---------- You left us with a cliff-hanger; what new direction? Gale Gorman Houston

something to consider - name change or out of wedlock or illegimate before mother's marriage to a stepfather...... David Samuelsen On 5/17/2012 6:56 AM, Joyce Gaston Reece wrote: > > I have someone who is surnamed Walker and we have a firm paper trail back to > Mordecai born 1805. He's had a 67 marker test. He does not match any of > the Walker's currently tested. The family has been told that they match a > group of Harrelson's. Now here's the question. With a 67 marker test does > this mean anything? Am I dealing with a line of Walker's that just hasn't > been delved into thus far or should I be looking at Harrelson's? > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kirsten, I'm not Dave, but you are correct as to the 3 assumptions in your first paragraph. How many generations back is the common ancestor? If it's more than 5, FTDNA tells you there is a small chance of your matching with a descendant of that person. I think that's conservative, and it's further back -- more like 7 or 8. Most of my mom's and dad's matches are 5th cousins or greater. That said, there may be many more people who have tested who do not show up as matches -- hence your statement about not making a match not being proof there of a non-relationship. The FAQ on FTDNA provides a chart which shows the probability of matching with each level of relationship. Also, you don't need to do 2 tests -- one on each (maternal and paternal) side. You could take the test yourself since, of course, you have DNA from both parents, and hope for a match. If you have an idea how the other tester is descended from the common ancestor, presumably you know which side it's on, and the match just confirms your assumption. One thing you should know about the 2 testing companies is that FTDNA allows you to identify which other matches you have in common with any given match. This can be helpful in isolating your relationship to an individual. Also, as an aside, I have to take issue with Dave's comment that finding a match through Y-DNA is "very slim." When I tested my Y-DNA, I found a close match to a distant cousin immediately. I have sponsored about 10 other cousins on other lines and have had great success with Y-DNA. I was able to identify the birth parents of my 2nd great grandfather, adopted in Wisconsin in the early 1860s. There was circumstantial evidence (the 1860 census), but the test proved it as a male descendant of his brother, whom he never knew, tested, and both men were a near perfect match. A match doesn't always answer the question "who's my ancestor's daddy?", but it often can isolate a group of people or a geographical locale where that person should be found. For example, I think my maternal Lewis ancestor is found in the 1810 Westmoreland Co., PA census. When a descendant of his tested, he matched with another Lewis whose ancestor is found in that county at the same time. We don't know how they're related, but it confirms for both of us that our ancestors are most likely those men with the same names found in records there in the early late 18th/early 19th centuries. Barton On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Kirsten Bowman wrote: > Dave: > > Oh, thank you! Now we're getting somewhere. So if I'm interpreting > correctly, you're saying that two (or more) parties must have > autosomal tests and that there's no possibility for matching my > autosomal or mtDNA test with existing yDNA results to find a common > ancestor who is neither direct paternal nor direct maternal. Further, > I'm understanding that the more generations between test candidates > and the common ancestor, the slimmer the chances of a match from > autosomal testing. And that with autosomal testing a non-match is not > necessarily proof of no common ancestor. Is all of that correct? > > Since I would probably have to pay both sides of FTDNA's $289 (or wait > for the sale), and in view of the distance to the possible common > ancestor, it sounds like a fairly expensive shot in the dark. I'm not > terribly interested in identifying my general ethnicity (that's > already pretty well established), and I'm not heavily involved in > tracing lines other than this particular one. Unfortunately the > member of our surname project who has already done the Family Finder > test is a half-sibling and connects to the main tree even a couple of > generations above me, so I'd guess that that makes a match even more > unlikely. > > Altogether it seems I'd be better off spending my money in hiring a > researcher in Canada to try and turn up a lead that I may have missed > in my 12 years of searching. Do you disagree? > > Again, thanks so much for writing. > > Kirsten > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Michaelson > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:11 PM > To: viking@rvi.net ; Roots-L@rootsweb.com ; gale_gorman@me.com > Subject: Autosomal testing > > Kristin, > > > > Several of the answers given concerning DNA testing for Genealogical > purposes were quite good but the did not clearly answer your question. > > > > Your answer is possibly, if you choose the right test. > > > > Y-DNA (of the strict father-father-father... etc line) and MT-DNA (for > the > STRICT mother-mother-mother... etc line) will tell you if you have a > match > IF the person you want to match is a member of the above strict lines > (the > edges on a ancestry chart ONLY). The autosomal tests are for all the > other > lines. In other words the Y-DNA and MT-DNA ONLY test two lines in your > ancestry chart and are pretty much useless for identifying specific > individuals. What those two tests are good for is giving you your > haplogroup > and telling where your ancestors came from 30,000 or so years ago. In > other > words, beyond 20 generations AT LEAST! The chances of you finding a > specific > individual randomly that falls on the two lines given above are VERY > SLIM. > > > > The autosomal testing is not at all like that. It tests ALL lines in > the > family tree back about 5 to 7 generations quite accurately. Beyond > that, the > autosomal clues are pretty much diluted out as far as identifying > specific > families or individuals that are related to you... but all lines are > tested. > If you want to identify if a family is related to you AND THEY HAVE > BEEN > TESTED, or their DNA is available to test, then the autosomal tests > will > probably give you much more information than the Y-DNA or > mitochondrial DNA > testing. > > > > As far as Autosomal testing - Family Tree DNA is the largest in the > world > and provides one of the best testing services. Ancestry.com is just > starting > out and I know little about their testing but the general rule of > thumb is > that you get what you pay for. It is your choice though but unless > there is > a large enough database to compare against, it is useless for you to > go > looking for a match... if you know what I mean. FTDNA does have the > Family > Finder on sale from time to time for $199 or is you are a member of a > surname group or other recognized group, you could get a special > offer. You > can go to ftdna.com and check all this out - they are very open about > letting people browse to learn about DNA testing and what is available > and > what it will do you you. Check it out, what do you have to loose? > > > > And also MT-DNA is NOT found in the nuclear wall or membrane, it is > found in > all cell cytoplasm within the cell in structures called mitochondria - > thus > the name MT-DNA. > > > > Hope this helps and if you have further questions, you can email me > direct > if you wish. > > > > Dave Michaelson > > > > > > > > P.S. > > > > Gale, > > > > Y-DNA testing will not give you the information you are looking for - > neither will MT-DNA testing. These test only test two SPECIFIC lines > as I > mentioned above. Autosomal testing will test the other lines but will > only > help you if both parties have been tested (or the situation in the > next > paragraph exists) which is true for all DNA testing. > > > > ALL these tests are useless for identifying people whose DNA is not > available. What the autosomal testing is good for is to test people > alive > today that have provided their DNA and been tested and compare their > DNA to > yours. In that way, using information from both (yours and theirs) > trees, > you could possibly get the data you need. The more people that match > you, > the easier it is to narrow your search and identify specific > individuals > and/or families. > > > > Again, I hope this helps. > > > > Dave > > > > > > ==================================== > > > > In you email, you wrote - > > > > "Kirsten Bowman" <viking@rvi.net> > > Subject: [ROOTS-L] Autosomal DNA? > > > > I have a fair understanding of the use of yDNA in genealogy but the > blurbs I > ve read about autosomal DNA don't give a clue to whether that test > would > help solve a longstanding brick wall in my maternal linewhich is as > follows > . . > > > > My 3rd great-grandfather was born in 1788 in a sparsely-populated > region of > Canada. I suspect he was the son of one of 7 brothers who settled in > the > area in the early 1780s. Roughly a dozen direct male descendants of > those 7 > brothers have done yDNA tests through FTDNA. Some have tested up to 67 > markers and one has done the FTDNA Family Finder test. My own line > daughtered-out with my 2nd great-grandfather and I?m unable to locate > any > direct male cousins for yDNA testing. > > > > Now I'm wondering whether an autosomal DNA test would tell whether I'm > related to any of the fellows who have already testedor would an > autosomal > test of a female descendant of one of those 7 brothers show a > relationship > to me? Would the $99 test from Ancestry.com do the trickor is the $289 > Family Finder test from FTDNA necessary? I realize that no testing > could > tell *which* of the 7 brothers was the parent of my 3rd > great-grandfatherI'm > simply wondering if I can narrow him down to a certain clan. > > > > Can anyone answer those questions or direct me to a site that gives a > thorough explanation of what autosomal DNA testing will do? > > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's most likely there was a non-paternity event (NPE) somewhere along the line. This most often occurs as an unacknowledged adoption, out of wedlock birth where the male took his mother's name or the mother had a child by a man other than her husband, but there are other scenarios. This is not at all an infrequent occurrence, but it is often hard to determine where the NPE occurred. Barton On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Joyce Gaston Reece wrote: > I have someone who is surnamed Walker and we have a firm paper trail > back to Mordecai born 1805. He's had a 67 marker test. He does not > match any of the Walker's currently tested. The family has been told > that they match a group of Harrelson's. Now here's the question. > With a 67 marker test does this mean anything? Am I dealing with a > line of Walker's that just hasn't been delved into thus far or should > I be looking at Harrelson's? > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joan: I really enjoyed your explanation. I have been esp. impressed with the health results and the relative finder since having my DNA tested with 23andme. Thanks for the added info. about Parkinson's Disease and the founder's extra interest. Suzanne ----- > I've had autosomal testing with 23andme.com and I believe they only do > autosomal testing. You can get health results AND genealogical results. As > for > the health results most genetic illnesses are partly genetic and partly > environmental--so nothing can be diagnosed...you still need to see a > doctor > for that but it can alert you if you have a gene or genes that put you at > high genetic risk for a specific ailment. > > For example, I found I'm at higher than normal risk for age related > macular > degeneration. There are diet changes you can make to help ward off macular > degeneration -- so it is helpful to know if you are at high risk. I've > also alerted my eye doctor and she checks carefully when I get my eye > exams. So far so good! > > You also learn what you are at very low risk for genetically and for me it > is great to know I only have 48% of the average risk of developing > rheumatoid arthritis. > > Although most Parkinson's disease isn't thought to be genetic for a small > group of people who inherit a specific mutation it puts them at high risk > for early onset Parkinson's disease. One of the founders of 23andme is the > wife of the co-founder of Google and he was tested when 23andme was just > beginning. He proved to carry the gene that puts him at high risk for > Parkinson's and since he learned that he's been working with the Michael > J. Fox Parkinson's group in doing more genetic testing on those with early > onset > Parkinson's -- that group is very active on 23andme. > > For results that may be upsetting to some people (like the Parkinson's > gene) 23andme gives you the option to either unlock that result or not --- > as > you choose. The BRCA 1 and 2 genes for early onset breast and ovarian > cancer > is one example where they let you choose if you wish to know if you carry > the gene. > Why not check out 23andme.com for more information about what they offer? > Joan

For Kirsten: I looked at it in a different way....and chose to do the kit and caboodle......I had my full-sequence mtDNA done and the Autosomal test because I was curious and because genealogy has become my most engaging hobby. I felt that spending the money on my hobby could be justified a couple of ways: 1. I wasn't out on the streets shopping, 2. if I gave up Starbucks for a year I could pay for something that lasted a lifetime, 3. once I'm gone my children will have information that may help them at some point, and 4...the most unexpected.....my mtDNA is NOT what I would have anticipated from what I know of my ancestors and that discovery has taken me in a wonderful new direction! It was worth every penny, to me!! m Mary Villalba Denver, CO 80206 > Your answer is possibly, if you choose the right test. > > > > Y-DNA (of the strict father-father-father... etc line) and MT-DNA (for the > STRICT mother-mother-mother... etc line) will tell you if you have a match > IF the person you want to match is a member of the above strict lines (the > edges on a ancestry chart ONLY). The autosomal tests are for all the other > lines. In other words the Y-DNA and MT-DNA ONLY test two lines in your > ancestry chart and are pretty much useless for identifying specific > individuals. What those two tests are good for is giving you your > haplogroup > and telling where your ancestors came from 30,000 or so years ago. In > other > words, beyond 20 generations AT LEAST! The chances of you finding a > specific > individual randomly that falls on the two lines given above are VERY SLIM. > > > > The autosomal testing is not at all like that. It tests ALL lines in the > family tree back about 5 to 7 generations quite accurately. Beyond that, > the > autosomal clues are pretty much diluted out as far as identifying specific > families or individuals that are related to you... but all lines are > tested. > If you want to identify if a family is related to you AND THEY HAVE BEEN > TESTED, or their DNA is available to test, then the autosomal tests will > probably give you much more information than the Y-DNA or mitochondrial > DNA > testing. > > > > As far as Autosomal testing - Family Tree DNA is the largest in the world > and provides one of the best testing services. Ancestry.com is just > starting > out and I know little about their testing but the general rule of thumb is > that you get what you pay for. It is your choice though but unless there > is > a large enough database to compare against, it is useless for you to go > looking for a match... if you know what I mean. FTDNA does have the Family > Finder on sale from time to time for $199 or is you are a member of a > surname group or other recognized group, you could get a special offer. > You > can go to ftdna.com and check all this out - they are very open about > letting people browse to learn about DNA testing and what is available and > what it will do you you. Check it out, what do you have to loose? > > > > And also MT-DNA is NOT found in the nuclear wall or membrane, it is found > in > all cell cytoplasm within the cell in structures called mitochondria - > thus > the name MT-DNA. > > > > Hope this helps and if you have further questions, you can email me direct > if you wish. > > > > Dave Michaelson > > > > > > > > P.S. > > > > Gale, > > > > Y-DNA testing will not give you the information you are looking for - > neither will MT-DNA testing. These test only test two SPECIFIC lines as I > mentioned above. Autosomal testing will test the other lines but will > only > help you if both parties have been tested (or the situation in the next > paragraph exists) which is true for all DNA testing. > > > > ALL these tests are useless for identifying people whose DNA is not > available. What the autosomal testing is good for is to test people alive > today that have provided their DNA and been tested and compare their DNA > to > yours. In that way, using information from both (yours and theirs) trees, > you could possibly get the data you need. The more people that match you, > the easier it is to narrow your search and identify specific individuals > and/or families. > > > > Again, I hope this helps. > > > > Dave > > > > > > ==================================== > > > > In you email, you wrote - > > > > "Kirsten Bowman" <viking@rvi.net> > > Subject: [ROOTS-L] Autosomal DNA? > > > > I have a fair understanding of the use of yDNA in genealogy but the blurbs > I > ve read about autosomal DNA don't give a clue to whether that test would > help solve a longstanding brick wall in my maternal linewhich is as > follows > . . > > > > My 3rd great-grandfather was born in 1788 in a sparsely-populated region > of > Canada. I suspect he was the son of one of 7 brothers who settled in the > area in the early 1780s. Roughly a dozen direct male descendants of those > 7 > brothers have done yDNA tests through FTDNA. Some have tested up to 67 > markers and one has done the FTDNA Family Finder test. My own line > daughtered-out with my 2nd great-grandfather and I?m unable to locate any > direct male cousins for yDNA testing. > > > > Now I'm wondering whether an autosomal DNA test would tell whether I'm > related to any of the fellows who have already testedor would an autosomal > test of a female descendant of one of those 7 brothers show a relationship > to me? Would the $99 test from Ancestry.com do the trickor is the $289 > Family Finder test from FTDNA necessary? I realize that no testing could > tell *which* of the 7 brothers was the parent of my 3rd > great-grandfatherI'm > simply wondering if I can narrow him down to a certain clan. > > > > Can anyone answer those questions or direct me to a site that gives a > thorough explanation of what autosomal DNA testing will do? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ROOTS list administrator, send an email to > ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ROOTS mailing list, send an email to > ROOTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 152 > ************************************* >

I have someone who is surnamed Walker and we have a firm paper trail back to Mordecai born 1805. He's had a 67 marker test. He does not match any of the Walker's currently tested. The family has been told that they match a group of Harrelson's. Now here's the question. With a 67 marker test does this mean anything? Am I dealing with a line of Walker's that just hasn't been delved into thus far or should I be looking at Harrelson's? Joyce Gaston Reece

On May 17, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Joyce Gaston Reece wrote: I have someone who is surnamed Walker and we have a firm paper trail back to Mordecai born 1805. He's had a 67 marker test. He does not match any of the Walker's currently tested. The family has been told that they match a group of Harrelson's. Now here's the question. With a 67 marker test does this mean anything? Am I dealing with a line of Walker's that just hasn't been delved into thus far or should I be looking at Harrelson's? Joyce Gaston Reece -----------snip---------- Hmmm... now I'm seeing the need for tests beyond the Y-DNA. The Walker name has been handed down usually as a middle name for several generations. My gg grandmother was Sarah Walker Jones Gorman but I'll have to sift through my notes to find when Walker was the surname. Gale Gorman Houston

On May 16, 2012, at 11:11 PM, Dave Michaelson wrote: Gale, Y-DNA testing will not give you the information you are looking for - neither will MT-DNA testing. These test only test two SPECIFIC lines as I mentioned above. Autosomal testing will test the other lines but will only help you if both parties have been tested (or the situation in the next paragraph exists) which is true for all DNA testing. ALL these tests are useless for identifying people whose DNA is not available. What the autosomal testing is good for is to test people alive today that have provided their DNA and been tested and compare their DNA to yours. In that way, using information from both (yours and theirs) trees, you could possibly get the data you need. The more people that match you, the easier it is to narrow your search and identify specific individuals and/or families. Again, I hope this helps. Dave -----------snip---------- The surname projects at FTDNA will have people in their database who of course have been tested and also share the same surname at some point. My hope is for a match that has a paper trail extending further back in time than what I've been able to find. This is about genealogy and the DNA test is just one more tool in our bag. Gale Gorman Houston

Bill- A brother and sister wouldn't have identical autosomal DNA. Full siblings inherit 50% of their DNA from their mother and 50% from their father but it may not be the same 50%. They would match closely -- their mtDNA would be the same. The brother would carry an X chromosome from his mother and the sister would carry one X from the father and one from the mother. The brother would carry a Y from his father...so there would be differences there. To explain about autosomal genes in another way...we each carry a dominant and recessive for each gene---and we can pass either our dominant or recessive on to a child. So one sibling might inherit the dominant gene and the other the recessive. Dominant and recessive help to explain why one sibling might have curly hair while another has straight hair and one is blond and the other has brown hair. The dominant and recessive for each gene might be the same (homozygous) or they might be different (heterozygous). The dominant is the one we outwardly display and the recessive is the one we carry but isn't usually obvious or visible. Joan In a message dated 5/17/2012 1:00:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, SODERSTRUM@aol.com writes: I have found the current discussion very interesting. There is one question which I would like clarified. In an autosomal test, such as the Family Finder from FTDNA, would the results be the same for tests from a brother and sister? Or would separate tests of each provide additional information? Possibly enough additional information to make the cost worthwhile? Another question which just occurred to me. Are the tests from 23 and Me and FTDNA different? Disregarding the cost, would tests from both companies be worthwhile or provide additional information? Bill ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have found the current discussion very interesting. There is one question which I would like clarified. In an autosomal test, such as the Family Finder from FTDNA, would the results be the same for tests from a brother and sister? Or would separate tests of each provide additional information? Possibly enough additional information to make the cost worthwhile? Another question which just occurred to me. Are the tests from 23 and Me and FTDNA different? Disregarding the cost, would tests from both companies be worthwhile or provide additional information? Bill

Kirsten- Y DNA only tests the Y chromosome and you (as a female) don't HAVE a Y chromosome...so there would be NOTHING to match from a Y test and any other. With mtDNA testing which both females and males can have tested you MAY find some matches for others you share a mutation with -- but it is less likely you will find any close match based upon the nature of the test and mutations that occur frequently enough that many people carry them. For females I still believe that autosomal testing is the best you can do to try to find matches throughout your family tree -- no matter where the connection lies. Joan In a message dated 5/17/2012 12:14:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, viking@rvi.net writes: Or is it possible to find a match between an mtDNA or autosomal test from me and a yDNA test from one of these possible cousins? Kirsten

I've had autosomal testing with 23andme.com and I believe they only do autosomal testing. You can get health results AND genealogical results. As for the health results most genetic illnesses are partly genetic and partly environmental--so nothing can be diagnosed...you still need to see a doctor for that but it can alert you if you have a gene or genes that put you at high genetic risk for a specific ailment. For example, I found I'm at higher than normal risk for age related macular degeneration. There are diet changes you can make to help ward off macular degeneration -- so it is helpful to know if you are at high risk. I've also alerted my eye doctor and she checks carefully when I get my eye exams. So far so good! You also learn what you are at very low risk for genetically and for me it is great to know I only have 48% of the average risk of developing rheumatoid arthritis. Although most Parkinson's disease isn't thought to be genetic for a small group of people who inherit a specific mutation it puts them at high risk for early onset Parkinson's disease. One of the founders of 23andme is the wife of the co-founder of Google and he was tested when 23andme was just beginning. He proved to carry the gene that puts him at high risk for Parkinson's and since he learned that he's been working with the Michael J. Fox Parkinson's group in doing more genetic testing on those with early onset Parkinson's -- that group is very active on 23andme. For results that may be upsetting to some people (like the Parkinson's gene) 23andme gives you the option to either unlock that result or not --- as you choose. The BRCA 1 and 2 genes for early onset breast and ovarian cancer is one example where they let you choose if you wish to know if you carry the gene. Why not check out 23andme.com for more information about what they offer? Joan In a message dated 5/17/2012 12:34:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jholl0829@bellsouth.net writes: I am considering ordering a DNA test to help me with my family research. I am also interested in finding out health information. I saw that 23forme has a test, however their site doesn't clarify if they are doing an autosomal test. It would appear from recent posts that most are agreed that is the best for genealogy testing. I am interested in the best bang for my buck like most people. I also am not interested in repeating this if my subscription runs out. I am feeling quite naive about all of this. Can anyone help me sort this out. It would appear the 23forme or the ftdna sites are the better ones. Does FTDNA provide health information as well? Thanks so much, Jean Holley

I am considering ordering a DNA test to help me with my family research. I am also interested in finding out health information. I saw that 23forme has a test, however their site doesn't clarify if they are doing an autosomal test. It would appear from recent posts that most are agreed that is the best for genealogy testing. I am interested in the best bang for my buck like most people. I also am not interested in repeating this if my subscription runs out. I am feeling quite naive about all of this. Can anyone help me sort this out. It would appear the 23forme or the ftdna sites are the better ones. Does FTDNA provide health information as well? Thanks so much, Jean Holley

Bill, I should have added that I have cousin matches my sister does not have and she has cousin matches I do not have; so yes in a way additional siblings tested can give you more ancestral information.. If you had a half sibling then where you do match you would know that came from the common ancestor. other then that you need other relatives to test to identify which parent the match comes from... n. Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > From: SODERSTRUM@aol.com > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 01:00:19 -0400 > To: roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ROOTS-L] Autosomal DNA > > I have found the current discussion very interesting. There is one > question which I would like clarified. In an autosomal test, such as the Family > Finder from FTDNA, would the results be the same for tests from a brother > and sister? Or would separate tests of each provide additional information? > Possibly enough additional information to make the cost worthwhile? > Another question which just occurred to me. Are the tests from 23 and Me and > FTDNA different? Disregarding the cost, would tests from both companies > be worthwhile or provide additional information? > > Bill > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, Each person's egg/sperm developes differetly, so NO you will not be exact to any of your siblings but you will share a high percentage of exact DNA segment(s) on each chromosome Pair. My sister and I share 52.25 percent identical chromosome segments, and we have the same parents. Something that hasn't been discussed is that each chromosome 1-22 and the sex chromosome pairs are two chromosomes one comes from your dad one comes from your mom.. with out special work to identify you don't know where the match comes from your Mom's or Dad's part of the pair. nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > From: SODERSTRUM@aol.com > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 01:00:19 -0400 > To: roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ROOTS-L] Autosomal DNA > > I have found the current discussion very interesting. There is one > question which I would like clarified. In an autosomal test, such as the Family > Finder from FTDNA, would the results be the same for tests from a brother > and sister? Or would separate tests of each provide additional information? > Possibly enough additional information to make the cost worthwhile? > Another question which just occurred to me. Are the tests from 23 and Me and > FTDNA different? Disregarding the cost, would tests from both companies > be worthwhile or provide additional information? > > Bill > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean, 23andme tests Autosomal chromosomes for both the medical and ancestral information. Is it the best for autosomal testing? that is always in the eye of the person being tested.. My sister and I both tested there. 23&me calls their test RElative finder FTDNA calls it Family finder and I have no idea what ancestry.com calls theres. 23 and FTDNA will alow you toi down load your raw data but I do not think ancestry will do that. I still think you all should go read the website GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:32:22 -0400 > From: jholl0829@bellsouth.net > To: roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ROOTS-L] best DNA test/company > > I am considering ordering a DNA test to help me with my family research. > I am also interested in finding out health information. I saw that > 23forme has a test, however their site doesn't clarify if they are doing > an autosomal test. It would appear from recent posts that most are > agreed that is the best for genealogy testing. I am interested in the > best bang for my buck like most people. I also am not interested in > repeating this if my subscription runs out. > > I am feeling quite naive about all of this. Can anyone help me sort this > out. It would appear the 23forme or the ftdna sites are the better ones. > Does FTDNA provide health information as well? > > Thanks so much, > Jean Holley > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, I am aware of that. My message was intended to convey the fact that I don't know whether FTDNA (the company) allows you to upgrade your mtDNA test, although I know it allows you to upgrade the Y test. I assume the mtDNA test can be upgraded as well. Barton On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Nelda Percival wrote: > Barton, > MTDNA is a type of DNA not a company.. FTDNA is a genetic testing > company ... For info on Genetic testing for Genealogy go READ: > > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us > Nelda > > > > Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, > Cupp, Bonstein > and Gillock > My Genealogy - > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - > http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ > > GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for > LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > > >> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:19:34 -0400 >> From: bartonlewis@optonline.net >> To: dee.ziegler@gmail.com >> CC: roots-l@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Autosomal DNA? >> >> I don't know about mtDNA, but FTDNA will allow you to upgrade your >> Y-test for the difference in price to the higher test. >> >> Barton > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

YES all tests at FTDNA can be up graded if that test has upgrades... see the message I sent Nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:16:31 -0400 > From: bartonlewis@optonline.net > Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Autosomal DNA? > To: nelda_percival@hotmail.com > CC: roots-l@rootsweb.com > > Thanks, I am aware of that. My message was intended to convey the fact > that I don't know whether FTDNA (the company) allows you to upgrade your > mtDNA test, although I know it allows you to upgrade the Y test. I > assume the mtDNA test can be upgraded as well. > > Barton > > > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Nelda Percival wrote: > > > Barton, > > MTDNA is a type of DNA not a company.. FTDNA is a genetic testing > > company ... For info on Genetic testing for Genealogy go READ: > > > > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us > > Nelda > > > > > > > > Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, > > Cupp, Bonstein > > and Gillock > > My Genealogy - > > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > > > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - > > http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ > > > > GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for > > LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > > > > > >> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:19:34 -0400 > >> From: bartonlewis@optonline.net > >> To: dee.ziegler@gmail.com > >> CC: roots-l@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Autosomal DNA? > >> > >> I don't know about mtDNA, but FTDNA will allow you to upgrade your > >> Y-test for the difference in price to the higher test. > >> > >> Barton > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > ===== > > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message