Hi I'm looking for any information on the above couple who married in 1870, 10 March Pepin WI. Grooms parents are Rebecca Fuller and John Fuller. John I believe died in Kiskiminetas Twp Co. Armstrong. Albert b Pennsylvania The brides parents were Polly and David Fayeweather. Alberts mother Rebecca was living with him on the 1880 Census and she died in Pepin. Anyone else researching this family would love to hear from you or know any information on Albert and Mary Anns Children. Trying to match up these Fullers with our Henry Fuller. Kind regards Dianna from Australia

Dianne There are two John Fullers in the 1850 census of Kiskiminetas, Armstrong County, Pennsylvania. Family 59 William Fuller, 46, farmer b PA, real estate valued at $500 Christiana, 33, b Germany John, 10, Germany Frederich, 7, Germany Elizabeth A, 5, Germany Mary Ann, 3, Germany Rachel M, 1, Germany (I suspect an enumerator error here -- probably only Christiana was born in Germany, the remainder are ditto marks.) Family 60 John, age 38, b PA, farmer Sarah, 22, b PA Magdelena, 73, b PA You might want to check my email to you on March 27, where I detailed some of this. Pat In Tucson -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dianna charles Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:25 PM To: roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROOTS-L] John FULLER from Kiskiminetas Co. Armstrong Hi Everyone Firstly I'm trying to find the above John FULLER on the 1840 and 1850 census's in Kiski, Co. Armstrong. His wife is Rebecca Fuller who died after him, it seems as though he died between 1850 and 1860, that's why I would like to double check the 1850 Census. Also I have part of an estate file for John Fuller which I believe is quite lenghthy his children are listed in it but I thought that there maybe other relatives as well. Apparently there was no date shown on the document and it is on microfiche not film. On the 1860 Census Rebecca is a 59Year old Widow in Kiski Twp. Apparently Rebeccas property has considerable real estate value I may have to write a letter to Co. Armstrong courthouse (or Where??) I would like to know more of this John Fullers background I did find out that he operated/owned a Griss/Saw Mill in 1830, don't know much other than that though. Any help or advise is very much appreciated. Kind regards Dianna from Australia ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Everyone Firstly I'm trying to find the above John FULLER on the 1840 and 1850 census's in Kiski, Co. Armstrong. His wife is Rebecca Fuller who died after him, it seems as though he died between 1850 and 1860, that's why I would like to double check the 1850 Census. Also I have part of an estate file for John Fuller which I believe is quite lenghthy his children are listed in it but I thought that there maybe other relatives as well. Apparently there was no date shown on the document and it is on microfiche not film. On the 1860 Census Rebecca is a 59Year old Widow in Kiski Twp. Apparently Rebeccas property has considerable real estate value I may have to write a letter to Co. Armstrong courthouse (or Where??) I would like to know more of this John Fullers background I did find out that he operated/owned a Griss/Saw Mill in 1830, don't know much other than that though. Any help or advise is very much appreciated. Kind regards Dianna from Australia

I thought about that, Warfield is in Chester Co, Pa, and searched the surrounding counties on Heritage Quest, reason I found the Laura Bullock with a sorta correct birthdate... Just don't know, what is shown for Laura T. Bullock (they think) born Delaware.. But census 1880) shows Pa. and I've been through everything here I have, which is more southern, with no success, and normally I find what I'm searching for. Wondering if she's listed on a census by middle name, (which we only have the initial) and that's the reason I'm not finding it... jan > Hi Jan. > > Is it possible she was born in PA because the home on Del was near > the State line? Perhaps she was living with a mid-wife awaiting the > birth or another birth/ I know women did move to the mid-wives for a > few days or weeks before the anticipated birth. I don't know the PA > laws about reporting, at that time. > > Good luck > Barbara in MA > > -- jan www.bullocks.org

Need some help! Someone contacted me off my website, and this is not my family, but I do try to help. And you'd figure with a name like Warfield Barnes you'd be able to find just oodles of references. Warfield Barnes born CA 1854 Penn. Laura Bullock born CA 1851, both dates by census records. There's a Laura Bullock on the 1870 Delaware census, shown keeping house with Chockley Bullock, age 50 (maybe father). On the 1880 census those two are gone but Warfield Barnes and Laura T. Barnes are in Christiana Hundred with dau Emma. Jump to the 1900 census and Warfield is married to someone else. I'd say that probably Laura Barnes died between 1880-1900, but no record of a death (ancestry) The 1900 census does not show any children for Warfield, and since there is only one child listed that has to be this person's line. I've checked findagrave, ancestry, familysearch, mocavo and Delaware Genweb,all with either no records or very little. The one interesting thing is on the 1880 Laura is listed as being born in Penn, not Delaware. and on the 1870 census where Laura is listed she's born in Delaware. And the two public trees listed on ancestry are the person working this line and another researcher, and nobody has much on these two people. Just at a loss, I know that there are tons of records for Delaware early, where are the late ones? Hopefully someone can steer me in the right direction. Thanks! -- jan www.bullocks.org

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When I was a child "Out West" I was always trying to trap my auntie (who was born in Charleston, SC.) into speaking the way we did. "Say Mother!" I would command. "Moth-ah," she would respond. " No, say MOTHER!!" I would insist. "Moth-ah," she would reply, eyes twinkling. "NO, NO," said I, ""That's not right!" Laughing, she would say, "You are just trying to get me to say MOTH-ER-RRRRRR!" We had many delightful go-arounds of the "I say tomato, you say To-MAH-to, I say potato, you say Po-TAH-to" variety. Elizabeth Goodfellow Engle

One of our fearless leaders on another list with an auto-signature had this to offer this morning: I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way. --Mark Twain (1835-1910) Mark is a good frend, we go weigh back. Pat in Tucson ---- Penny Price <bidigeezr@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > And the lady in Maine who drives her ca from Auguster to Banga, Maine to > > eat lobsta but hates to go to the state of Georger in the South because she > > can't understand them. > > Stuart Price > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 22.05.2012 09:00, roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > LOL... And Have any of you wondered why we can't find records on our ancestors? Try all the phonetic spellings, and then of course there is just spelling it wrong in the transcription. > > Good luck hunting... > Nelda And then you have all those non-English surnames and given names that would not be possible to neither spell nor pronounce where the clerk gave the person a name. Period. Completely impossible to trace. (Just to put the theme back in line :-) ) -- Alf Christophersen Engineer, Dep. of Nutrition Research, Faculty of Medicine University of Oslo http://folk.uio.no/achristo

> > And the lady in Maine who drives her ca from Auguster to Banga, Maine to > eat lobsta but hates to go to the state of Georger in the South because she > can't understand them. Stuart Price

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Don't forget SLEW-meaning a lot -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gale Gorman Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:16 PM To: Liz Engle Cc: ROOTS@rootsweb.com; 'Pauline Costianes' Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] spelling checker The GH sound could make a preacher lay his bible down. Pronounce a few of these: GHOST TOUGH BOUGH SLOUGH SLOUGH Yes there are two, SLUFF and SLOO. -----------snip---------- Gale Gorman Houston ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was just making examples of the GH sound. One I forgot is OUGHT, BOUGHT, BROUGHT I sent one person a private message called "English is Tough Stuff" and it will probably pop up with a Google search. I've had it since the old UNIX Usenet days. Gale Gorman Houston On May 21, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Emery St.Cyr wrote: Don't forget SLEW-meaning a lot -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gale Gorman Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:16 PM To: Liz Engle Cc: ROOTS@rootsweb.com; 'Pauline Costianes' Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] spelling checker The GH sound could make a preacher lay his bible down. Pronounce a few of these: GHOST TOUGH BOUGH SLOUGH SLOUGH Yes there are two, SLUFF and SLOO. -----------snip---------- Gale Gorman Houston

My very first exposure to genealogy was to find my paternal grandfather all I knew was Tom Gorman. I found him as Robert T. German. I would have passed on that but he had all the right kids including my dad. The film did indeed look more like German than Gorman but I got over that. Now years later I just found my 3rd great grandfather in Ireland and his wife is Catherine Maher. The Irish beat up on the language too. She may be listed as Meagher or Magher. No wonder we get ecstatic when we turn up a new hit. Gale Gorman Houston On May 21, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Nelda Percival wrote: LOL... And Have any of you wondered why we can't find records on our ancestors? Try all the phonetic spellings, and then of course there is just spelling it wrong in the transcription. Good luck hunting... Nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm

LOL... And Have any of you wondered why we can't find records on our ancestors? Try all the phonetic spellings, and then of course there is just spelling it wrong in the transcription. Good luck hunting... Nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg

The GH sound could make a preacher lay his bible down. Pronounce a few of these: GHOST TOUGH BOUGH SLOUGH SLOUGH Yes there are two, SLUFF and SLOO. -----------snip---------- Gale Gorman Houston

Well, remember: More language is spoken than written. So words stream around the world without benefit of "standardization." And, the "English" language has evolved, just like every other language. Much of the "English" language is NOT "medieval English" but Deutsch or Franco, and nowadays, Spanish, eastern European, Asian, Arab, Turkish and African. Even medieval English stems from other European roots (or, we would all be speaking whatever the blue people spoke before the Romans, Celts, and French arrived). The words have been "anglicized" or not, (whatever THAT means) depending on the time and usage. Perhaps, though, if we had had a "London Academy of Language" back in 900 a.d. -- like the "Paris Academy of Language" to keep the language pure, there would be fewer problems. The lanquedoc region of France "isn't France" according to some. In fact, some Parisians don't consider anyone outside metro Paris to be "French." That's because even if the words may be spelled the same, (can't really speak to that) they are NOT pronounced the same. >From the origin of the words, there have been consonant and vowel shifts, changing the sounds of the words. Words have been merged from two languages. All kinds of stuff like that. There were even (early) "letters" that do not exist today. The "thorn" for example, which took the place of "th" for the, this, thus. It resembles an upper case "Y", leading some to re-work it to "Ye Old Meeting house" rather than the "The Old Meeting house." Some letters have come into existence since that time. "J" for example, arrived from France ca 1100-1200. Here's an interesting (short) chronology of the development of English: http://mockingbird.creighton.edu/english/fajardo/teaching/eng520/mideng2.htm But, with the words from other languages, how would you -- an English Speaker -- spell "vare deh"? "tore tih yah"? Oh, and is that "g" a "hard g" or a "soft g" (check the origin of the word) We also have to remember that historically (before 1900) spelling in this country (US) was pretty personal -- try reading some 16th and 17th century wills, baptisms, and deeds. Even 18 and 19th century documents are rife with "alternate spellings." Frequently the same word appears with alternate spellings multiply times on the same document. BUT -- of interest here is that many clerks were, in fact, spelling "phonetically" and you can get an idea how a word or a name was being pronounced in a particular locale by the way it is spelled. A confession here -- from someone who used to be a pretty good speller and voracious reader. A character in one of the books I read in elementary school was "pen ih lope" -- oops, don't read aloud if you don't know that's Penelope. Another time, I was reading a part in a play, and said "Gee whiz." Hard G. Funny looks. That's "gee" with a soft g. Oops? Really, George Gershwin? Now, in my "silver years" I just laugh, but it wasn't so funny at the time. As the kids would say "it is what it is" and I think that very readily applies to spelling "English" words. Pat In Tucson -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pauline Costianes Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:52 AM To: ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROOTS-L] spelling checker We have 43 sounds, or phonemes, in English and thousands of ways to spell them. We are NOT a phonetic language - I feel sorry for anyone who has to learn to write this language.  There are 4x the dyslexics for English speakers than for phonetic languages, like Spanish, Italian etc.   George Bernard Shaw once said you could spell "Fish"  G-H-O-T-I   GH - from "enough" O - from "women" TI - from "elation"   How did English get to be such a major world language with our horrible non-phonetic spelling?  Beats the poo outta me!! Pauline Costianes, who loves Italian best, even though  I'm Greek     ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I love this!! I help produce The Sea Chest -- Journal of the Puget Sound Maritime Historical Society, and will pass this on to my fellow editors. Sure to make a hit. (I love English, but I am with you, Pauline, I love Italian, too, after living in Rome for a few years!!!) Elizabeth Engle -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pauline Costianes Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:52 AM To: ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROOTS-L] spelling checker We have 43 sounds, or phonemes, in English and thousands of ways to spell them. We are NOT a phonetic language - I feel sorry for anyone who has to learn to write this language.  There are 4x the dyslexics for English speakers than for phonetic languages, like Spanish, Italian etc.   George Bernard Shaw once said you could spell "Fish"  G-H-O-T-I   GH - from "enough" O - from "women" TI - from "elation"   How did English get to be such a major world language with our horrible non-phonetic spelling?  Beats the poo outta me!! Pauline Costianes, who loves Italian best, even though  I'm Greek     ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We have 43 sounds, or phonemes, in English and thousands of ways to spell them. We are NOT a phonetic language - I feel sorry for anyone who has to learn to write this language.  There are 4x the dyslexics for English speakers than for phonetic languages, like Spanish, Italian etc.   George Bernard Shaw once said you could spell "Fish"  G-H-O-T-I   GH - from "enough" O - from "women" TI - from "elation"   How did English get to be such a major world language with our horrible non-phonetic spelling?  Beats the poo outta me!! Pauline Costianes, who loves Italian best, even though  I'm Greek    

Mike, Thank you Mike for exemplifying the very point I have been trying to make all this time. That the damage that is being done by people who don't know spreads much faster than the necessarily more complex explanations that are correct. But please don't take my word for it, go look for yourself and then YOU won't be the type of person YOU describe in your last paragraph. Also, my previous posts on roots_l@rootsweb.com are being delayed and so they may seem to be out of sequence. I have no control over how these messages are posted and I apologize for any confusion that process may cause you. I have said what I needed to say on this topic and those that 'get it' can now chuckle over some of the advice given here by the "experts". I will not be posting on this topic any further, so I leave you others to Nelda and her 'correct' presentation as Mike put it. With, of course, the caveat that you get what you pay for, whether that be in money or EFFORT and Nelda's advice is worth every cent! Dave Message: 2 Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:28:06 -0400 From: "Mike Harmer" <mharmer@carolina.rr.com> Subject: [ROOTS-L] Nelda's Comment on Chromosomal effects To: "RootsWeb Com" <roots-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001cd3694$c5cabbb0$51603310$@rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ASCII" Nelda, you are exactly correct in your presentation. It also a time to point out that when in comes to passing on traits of the parents there are Dominant and Recessive type of characteristics that are the ones that determine characteristics of an individual and help trace parentage. People today rely too much on something else how to think versus using their own minds to understand, thus they wind up without the ability to do logical and deductive thinking. Mike