I agree with Nivard. When I enter places in what is now Germany, I enter them as they were at the time. For instance, here is how I have some one place and its events entered: For dates in late 1600's and early 1700's: Ötisheim (Oetisheim), Duchy of Württemberg, Holy Roman Empire (became Baden-Württemberg, Germany in 1918) Most researchers entering Ötisheim (Oetisheim), regardless of the dates, even in the 17th and 18th Centuries, just enter Ötisheim (Oetisheim), Baden-Württemberg, Germany, even when Germany didn't exist. Yes, the place IS in Germany today but it wasn't in the 17th and 18 Centuries! Sarge At 6/7/2012 03:58 PM Thursday, Nivard Ovington wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Hi Sallie > >It means he was born in Baden >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden > >Which became part of Germany in 1871 > >See >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany > >Generally we should be thinking and recording how things were at the >time they happened rather than in todays terms > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >On 07/06/2012 20:37, Sallie wrote: >> This is so odd. I don't know really what you are discussing..... >> >> You say Germany didn't exist until 1871. Well my grgrandfather was born Aug >> 1844 in Baden, Hessen Nassau, Germany, so where does this leave him!!! >> >> Sallie Lou Morris Nelson **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Germanna Database at Ancestry: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/28427876/family My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

"Generally we should be thinking and recording how things were at the time they happened rather than in todays terms" I agree, but Phil's assertion that it would be "dumb" to state that Sallie's ancestor was born in Germany in 1844 is inappropriate. There's a polite way to point out such information, and that is not it. Barton On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Sallie > > It means he was born in Baden > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden > > Which became part of Germany in 1871 > > See > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany > > Generally we should be thinking and recording how things were at the > time they happened rather than in todays terms > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > On 07/06/2012 20:37, Sallie wrote: >> This is so odd. I don't know really what you are discussing..... >> >> You say Germany didn't exist until 1871. Well my grgrandfather was >> born Aug >> 1844 in Baden, Hessen Nassau, Germany, so where does this leave >> him!!! >> >> Sallie Lou Morris Nelson >> San Benito TX via Logansport/Deacon IN > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There was never a Grand Duchy of Hessen Nassau at any time. It was a province within Kingdom of Prussia, 1866 to 1918 The province was created from then independent Hesse-Kassel (or Hesse-Cassel), the Duchy of Nassau, the Free City of Frankfurt, areas gained from Kingdom of Bavaria and areas gained from Grand Duchy of Hesse, and former Landgraviate of Hesse-Homburg BTW, the flag of Hesse-Nassau is identical to that of the Netherlands. The Dutch royal house originates from the Duchy of Nassau. David Samuelsen On 6/7/2012 3:38 PM, Eliz Hanebury wrote: > It leaves him born in the Grand Duchy of Hesse Nassau<G> but she is > right there was no "Germany" until the 1870 when Prussia pretty well > did a take over<G> > > > > > Eliz

This is so odd. I don't know really what you are discussing..... You say Germany didn't exist until 1871. Well my grgrandfather was born Aug 1844 in Baden, Hessen Nassau, Germany, so where does this leave him!!! Sallie Lou Morris Nelson San Benito TX via Logansport/Deacon IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Stevens" <bstevens27@frontier.com> To: <roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 1:19 PM Subject: [ROOTS-L] Niederlosheim Losheim am See, Merzig-Wadern, Saarland,Germany , a ? > Hello Rooters , gotta question for you today , I believe that the use > of > " Germany " in the subect place is in error , As Ggermany did not exist > until 1871 , So to include it in a database would be dumb ?? , Phil

Hessen-Nassau was one of Prussian provinces. Baden is NOT in Hessen-Nassau at all. It is a separate duchy until 1918. Baden-Baden is the city in Grand Duchy of Baden. Today Baden is joined with Wuerttemberg as state of Baden-Wuerttemberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden David On 6/7/2012 1:37 PM, Sallie wrote: > This is so odd. I don't know really what you are discussing..... > > You say Germany didn't exist until 1871. Well my grgrandfather was born Aug > 1844 in Baden, Hessen Nassau, Germany, so where does this leave him!!! > > Sallie Lou Morris Nelson > San Benito TX via Logansport/Deacon IN

Losheim am See didn't exist either, much longer until after World War II. You will have to read the timeline: Napoleonic Rheinland to 1815 Kingdom of Prussia to 1871 Germany (German Empire) to 1918 Territory of the Saar Basin to 1935 Germany to 1947 The Saar (under French occupation) to 1956 Germany as a separate state to present. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhine_Province http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_(League_of_Nations) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_(protectorate) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saarland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Losheim_am_See flip to German side (click Deutsch on left column) for much more details. Separate articles for each of these parishes that are part of Losheim am See in German. These parishes are Bachem, Bergen, Britten, Hausbach, Losheim, Mitlosheim, Niederlosheim, Rimlingen, Rissenthal, Scheiden, Wahlen and Waldhölzbach. Almost all of Britten's population is related to each other and to me. Losheim is just to the east. Do not use "Losheim am See" before 1974. W. David Samuelsen On 6/7/2012 12:19 PM, Phil Stevens wrote: > Hello Rooters , gotta question for you today , I believe that the use of > " Germany " in the subect place is in error , As Ggermany did not exist > until 1871 , So to include it in a database would be dumb ?? , Phil

Hi group , I thought about replying to Ruth for 10 second , and decided not to as the topic of incorrect place name as used by some people has been discussed many time before , no sense in beating a dead horse , Phil

Sallie: Phil's correct. It wasn't until 1871 that a whole group of individual states were united into the German Empire. Before that, they were each independently ruled and truly separate countries. To call them "Germany" would be similar to calling the 13 colonies the "United States" prior to 1776--although with the colonies there was a single government (generally English), but there was no single ruling body in Germany before 1871. Kirsten -----Original Message----- From: Sallie Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 12:37 PM To: Phil Stevens ; roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Niederlosheim Losheim am See, Merzig-Wadern, Saarland,Germany , a ? This is so odd. I don't know really what you are discussing..... You say Germany didn't exist until 1871. Well my grgrandfather was born Aug 1844 in Baden, Hessen Nassau, Germany, so where does this leave him!!! Sallie Lou Morris Nelson San Benito TX via Logansport/Deacon IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Stevens" <bstevens27@frontier.com> To: <roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 1:19 PM Subject: [ROOTS-L] Niederlosheim Losheim am See, Merzig-Wadern, Saarland,Germany , a ? > Hello Rooters , gotta question for you today , I believe that the use > of > " Germany " in the subect place is in error , As Ggermany did not exist > until 1871 , So to include it in a database would be dumb ?? , Phil ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Subject: Need help in the Oakland California area I trying to find relatives and or descendents of the following Meads. 1. Dewey Lee Mead b. 5 Feb 1898 Oakland,CA. d.8 Aug 1981 Tracy, CA. ~ Erna Noll, child. Betty Nadine b. 1928 Emalee b. 1921 2. Dillard Adon Mead b. 11 Mar 1899 Oakland, d.21 Jan 1945, Alameda ~ unknown 3. Edith Mae Mead b. 18 Jul 1901 Oakland, d. 22 Dec 1992, Contra Costa, CA, ~ Erick Bruckner, 1924 Alameda Children: Shirley Jean Bruckner 26 Mar 1928 Berkley, CA. Their parents where Albert and Elizabeth Mead. Any help would be appreciated. Mike mharmer@carolina.rr.com

I trying to find relatives and or descendents of the following Meads. 1. Dewey Lee Mead b. 5 feb 1898 Oakland,CA. d.8 Aug 1981 Tracy, CA. ~ Erna Noll, child. Betty Nadine b. 1928 Emalee b. 1921 2. Dillard Adon Mead b. 11 Mar 1899 Oakland, d.21 Jan 1945, Alameda ~ unknown 3. Edith Mae Mead b. 18 Jul 1901 Oakland, d. 22 Dec 1992, Contra Costa, CA

Hello Rooters , gotta question for you today , I believe that the use of " Germany " in the subect place is in error , As Ggermany did not exist until 1871 , So to include it in a database would be dumb ?? , Phil

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ANSWER TO BELOW: Jack, Not positive if this is your family but it looks like a possible. You didn't say where or when Mary German was born, or if she had been married before she married Mr. Pendergast but here's what I found. NOTES: I read her last name as Pendergast, age 52 (not 32) b. July 1848 Missouri. Said m. 35 years, 7 children, 7 living. She is the mother of Irwin? Kilgore age 28 b. May 1872 Indian Territory. Lulu (or Lula) b. May 1881 Indian Territory, sister of Irwin so that would make her Mary's daughter. Other than Irwin & Lula/Lulu, no other children living with her. If you'd like the original image let me know and I will be happy to send it to you so you can inspect it for yourself. Gretchen 1900 CENSUS Name: Mary Pendyart Age: 32 Birthplace: Missouri Home in 1900: Township 3, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory Race: White Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Mother Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 3, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: 1852; Enumeration District: 112; FHL microfilm: 1241852. HOUSEHOLD: Irwin Kilgore, Township 3, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory Indian Territory, Oklahoma Head Mary Pendyart Township 3, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory Missouri Mother Lula Pendyart Township 3, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory Indian Territory, Oklahoma Sister Lore Robbison Township 3, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory Missouri Boarder Henry Sanders Township 3, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory Missouri Boarder ORIGINAL QUESTION: From: "Jack" <jj123yes@cox.net> Subject: [ROOTS-L] Pendergast To: <Roots-L@rootsweb.com> The initials were hard to make out but they were either B.F. or B.H. Pendergast but I think they were B. F. He Married: Mary Elizabeth German, Kilgore. Pendergast Circa1876-77. They had three Girls Maud Pendergast B: 1878, Mattie Pendergast B: 1880 & Lula Pendergast B: 1883. It is family lore that Maud was Born in Decatur, Wise Co. TX. It is believed Mattie & Lula was born In Oklahoma Chocktaw I. T. This is a brick wall for me. Mr. Pendergast died circa 1884 I believe he was probably married previously But to who is unknown. Prior to 1907 when Oklahoma became a state Records are few to non existent. So I turn to you in hopes of some help. Warmest regards, Jack

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I am having trouble with Roots-L. It says" Default Client" I don't know what it means but the email I send are not going through. Can you help? jeanbunch@gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jj123yes@cox.net> To: <Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:05 AM Subject: [ROOTS-L] Pendergast > The initials were hard to make out but they were either B.F. or B.H. > Pendergast but I think they were B. F. He Married: Mary Elizabeth German, > Kilgore. Pendergast Circa1876-77. > They had three Girls Maud Pendergast B: 1878, Mattie Pendergast B: 1880 & > Lula Pendergast B: 1883. It is family lore that Maud was Born in Decatur, > Wise Co. TX. It is believed Mattie & Lula was born In Oklahoma Chocktaw > I. > T. This is a brick wall for me. Mr. Pendergast died circa 1884 I believe > he > was probably married previously But to who is unknown. Prior to 1907 when > Oklahoma became a state Records are few to non existent. So I turn to you > in > hopes of some help. > Warmest regards, Jack > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

The initials were hard to make out but they were either B.F. or B.H. Pendergast but I think they were B. F. He Married: Mary Elizabeth German, Kilgore. Pendergast Circa1876-77. They had three Girls Maud Pendergast B: 1878, Mattie Pendergast B: 1880 & Lula Pendergast B: 1883. It is family lore that Maud was Born in Decatur, Wise Co. TX. It is believed Mattie & Lula was born In Oklahoma Chocktaw I. T. This is a brick wall for me. Mr. Pendergast died circa 1884 I believe he was probably married previously But to who is unknown. Prior to 1907 when Oklahoma became a state Records are few to non existent. So I turn to you in hopes of some help. Warmest regards, Jack

Hi Jean Well the first thing to do is type your own email address correctly <vbg> I think you are using G mail not B mail :-) (not that you need to add it in your mail anyway) I take it you are using webmail and are getting the error message when you click an online form or trying to send an image ? By coincidence this was discussed last month on Computers list see the following for a post on it http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/COMPUTERS/2012-05/1337881903 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Help: > " Mail client not properly installed" What can I do? jeanbunch@bmail.com

Help: " Mail client not properly installed" What can I do? jeanbunch@bmail.com

Avery Stone. I have been trying to email you with other info but it seems you are not properly installed. in gmail. I don't know why but if you could contact me by phone 818-991-1938 we could straighten it out and I could give you what I have. jeanbunch@gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avery Booth Stone" <oarsmanstone@gmail.com> To: <ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] MAYO of Los Angeles, CA > > Thank you for your suggestions regarding the location of William > Mayo's grave, and his obit. > > Bill was the son of Marion Seymour Mayo. While his middle name is not > available to me at the moment, it is not Ernest, I think. The Mayo's > usually picked out a family name and Ernest doesn't fit the bill. > > Bill was killed in Dec, 1944. > Family tradition says Marion died shortly after bringing Bill home > from Europe. > > Uncle Marion's wife was Beatrix [Tomkins] MAYO of Houston. > > I am so relieved to know where Marion - Doc - is buried. I thank you > so much for the information. > The Hall of Remembrance William MAYO must be another Bill. Not an > uncommon name, it appears per Jean Bunch's Google suggestion. > > Why Marion's Bill is not in the same location is a puzzle. I''ll try > the Westwood cemetery and the other military one in Riverside. > > Many thanks - > Avery > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message