An easier way of figuring the cousin's relationship is to apply the following procedure. Two people will have a common ancestor. Let A and B represent the number of generations from that ancestor. The lesser of A and B defines the Cousin level. If A < B, then the two persons are A-2 nth cousins. The number of Removes is B-A. Sent from my iPad John Ferman Email in header On Jun 16, 2012, at 2:00 AM, roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:54:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: "T. Risinger" <knoxcone@yahoo.com> > Subject: [ROOTS-L] Cousin Calculator > To: ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <1339746882.25357.YahooMailClassic@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Here is a sample that should explain it to you. http://risinger.us/forest/cousins.htm? Click on "Printable Copy" for a copy that you can print and fill out

Sandra, I have a friend who is an officer in the Salvation Army. She is working on some information for you. Don't know how much help it will be but let's see. I will get back to yu as soon as I get it. Sally Smith -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandra Jacobson Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 7:41 AM To: roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROOTS-L] Salvation Army Ok here's a question I have not seen on this list. I have a relative who's mother was given to the Salvation Army to be a foster child at 9 months of age in 1888-89. At the time the mother of this child was married but became 'with child' by another man. So we are unsure, and so was she whose linage her last name came from. We know it was not from her natural father as we know his last name. So my question is; I would like to contact the Salvation Army in Denmark and ask about records. Does anyone know if they open their records for this type of information? What about Danish birth certificates-how easy/difficult is it to obtain one? Do I need a translator to ask any of these questions when composing my letter? Thank you, Sandra ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Version 11.1 of the U.S. Civil War Units File (June 15, 2012) is now available at its new home: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~acwunits/ The Civil War Units File (CWUNITS) lists people who have information on a unit, ship, or group (often rosters, battles, etc.) and are willing to help others research it. Some are experts; most are "just" helpful fellow researchers. If you see a listing for a unit you are interested in, you can send the contact person email and share information. There are also listings for battles, organizations, counties, ethnic groups, etc. If you write to me, please do *NOT* include this message in your reply. My time and disk space are limited. Also please do *NOT* include attached files. Thanks! If you have a listing in the file, please make sure it's still there, and send me an update if needed. If your account does not accept mail from unknown senders, please find a friendlier address. CWUNITS is five files (plus one for the FAQ) as follows: USA National & States A-I USA States K-N USA States O-W CSA National & States A-M CSA States N-V FAQ -- frequently asked questions and answers Within a state the units are organized by number (1st Infantry, etc.). Questions and new listings for the CWUNITS file go to me. Carol Botteron (ancestors on both sides) botteron@alum.mit.edu

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Ok here's a question I have not seen on this list. I have a relative who's mother was given to the Salvation Army to be a foster child at 9 months of age in 1888-89. At the time the mother of this child was married but became 'with child' by another man. So we are unsure, and so was she whose linage her last name came from. We know it was not from her natural father as we know his last name. So my question is; I would like to contact the Salvation Army in Denmark and ask about records. Does anyone know if they open their records for this type of information? What about Danish birth certificates-how easy/difficult is it to obtain one? Do I need a translator to ask any of these questions when composing my letter? Thank you, Sandra

Here is a sample that should explain it to you. http://risinger.us/forest/cousins.htm  Click on "Printable Copy" for a copy that you can print and fill out TR

Greetings, The Fort Worth Library is pleased to offer the following genealogy workshop, Searching the 1940 Census and Planning Your Genealogy Research Trip, on Saturday, June 16, 2012 from 2-4:30 pm at the Central Library -- Tandy Lecture Hall. This two-part workshop will show you how to locate your ancestors in the 1940 Census by finding pertinent enumeration district numbers, and how to plan for and organize a genealogy research trip. Suzanne Fritz and Terri Meeks will be the respective presenters. There will be a break between sessions with refreshments served. I should have the flyer later this week to send out to everyone. Registration is required. Please call (817)392-7740 or email genlhst@fortworthtexas.gov<mailto:genlhst@fortworthtexas.gov> to reserve your spot. Please see the Fort Worth Library flyer and website for further details http://fortworthtexas.gov/Library/ Sincerely, Suzanne Fritz, Librarian Fort Worth Library - Central Local History, Archives & Genealogy suzanne.fritz@FortWorthTexas.gov<mailto:suzanne.fritz@FortWorthTexas.gov>

For those who have never heard the term Grandaunt or uncle ... Check the archives of the RootsWeb Review: http://rwr.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ (do a search on Grandaunt and you will get a bunch of hits). The RWR articles were primarily written by professional genealogists unless otherwise noted. Also check the editor's note in this issue on the subject -- the editor at that time is no less an authority than Myra Vanderpool Gormley: http://ftp.rootsweb.ancestry.com/pub/review/20021225.txt Joan

Hi Joan Surely it depends upon the audience your information is aimed at As mine is generally for my own use or for family who are predominantly English I would never use Grand except for Grandparents It simply does not look right Its only interchangeable if it reads well Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/06/2012 16:25, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > While "grand" and "great" for aunts and uncles is somewhat interchangeable > in common usage it is actually preferable to use "grand" for the grands and > great for the next generation back. It is clearer what you mean to state > it that way. > > Joan

Hi Gale This comes up from time to time In general I have found that the English almost always use Great for all except the parents of your parents (ie grandparents) whereas the US and many others around the globe use Grand Aunt (where we would say Great Aunt or Great great Aunt) That is very roughly you understand :-) The term Grand Aunt etc used to grate on my ears until I looked into the origins some years back, I was surprised to find it was another English export that then fell out of favour at home Most of the family tree software suppliers, if not American are aimed at that market, hence use Grand Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/06/2012 14:20, Gale Gorman wrote: > I need to Google the relationship chart too. I use Family Tree Maker and I was surprised to see the term "Grand Aunt" and not "Great Aunt." The only place I see Great is with grandfather or grandmother. I can see how it would sound odd to have a grand grandmother. > > Gale Gorman > Houston

Hi Jim If you google relationship chart you will find oodles of them If you are the same generations from the common ancestor you will be cousins, each time there is a generation difference (you are g.g.g.grandson, they are g.g.grandson) there will be difference in the relationship, ie once removed See http://www.obliquity.com/family/misc/cousin.html Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/06/2012 13:16, Jim Tarbet wrote: > I Thought I had an understanding of cousins and their relationship to > me, but apparently, I'm wrong! > My software, My Heritage, calculates the relationship of every person in > my database. However, I don't think I understand how > they come up with the "Once Removed, Twice Removed" part of their > description. > EG: > I found a new cousin the other day whose name is Karla, Karla is my 6th > cousin. > Karla's father, Roy, as you would expect, is my 5th cousin, but Once > Removed. Why is he "Once Removed"? > Karla's children are my 6th cousins, Once Removed. Why are they not my > 7th cousins? > > It gets worse! > Karla's grandfather is my 4th cousin, "Twice Removed". > And her great Grandfather is my 3rd cousin 3 times removed. > > All of these people share the same grand parents, 3, 4, 5, or 6 > generations back. So why are some of them Once, Twice, or 3 times > Removed? Instead of all of them being just cousins? > Very confusing! > > I hope someone on this list can explain this "Removed" part of > relationships to me in plain English. > > Jim

It follows the same pattern you use for grandmother and great-grandmother. Joan Joan In a message dated 6/14/2012 11:58:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gale_gorman@me.com writes: Joan, Do you mean as in "Great Grand Aunt?" I can readily understand how a sister of my grandfather could be my "grand aunt" but then what does that make the sister of my great grandfather, my great grand aunt? Gale

While "grand" and "great" for aunts and uncles is somewhat interchangeable in common usage it is actually preferable to use "grand" for the grands and great for the next generation back. It is clearer what you mean to state it that way. Joan In a message dated 6/14/2012 11:05:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gale_gorman@me.com writes: I just never gave much thought to the exact relationship or what to call it. I was too happy to find one more branch or twig for my tree. But when I started using Family Tree Maker the relationship is shown in the top right corner for whoever the focus is on and the relationship is just to me or number one in the tree. FTM uses "grand aunt" while another uses "great aunt" and the third app uses "G Aunt" so there is no consensus among the software I have. Wikipedia has some information, maybe too much, and charts to look at. I'm still trying to decide between Family Tree Maker, GEDitCOM II, and Reunion 9. All run on a Mac. I have The Master Genealogist from years ago when I used Windows but going back to Windows is not an option I'd consider. Each one has something the others do not. Gale Gorman Houston

Joan, Do you mean as in "Great Grand Aunt?" I can readily understand how a sister of my grandfather could be my "grand aunt" but then what does that make the sister of my great grandfather, my great grand aunt? Gale On Jun 14, 2012, at 10:25 AM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: While "grand" and "great" for aunts and uncles is somewhat interchangeable in common usage it is actually preferable to use "grand" for the grands and great for the next generation back. It is clearer what you mean to state it that way. Joan In a message dated 6/14/2012 11:05:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gale_gorman@me.com writes: I just never gave much thought to the exact relationship or what to call it. I was too happy to find one more branch or twig for my tree. But when I started using Family Tree Maker the relationship is shown in the top right corner for whoever the focus is on and the relationship is just to me or number one in the tree. FTM uses "grand aunt" while another uses "great aunt" and the third app uses "G Aunt" so there is no consensus among the software I have. Wikipedia has some information, maybe too much, and charts to look at. I'm still trying to decide between Family Tree Maker, GEDitCOM II, and Reunion 9. All run on a Mac. I have The Master Genealogist from years ago when I used Windows but going back to Windows is not an option I'd consider. Each one has something the others do not. Gale Gorman Houston

I prefer to work this out in my head rather using charts...that way I always understand it. I start with the COMMON ancestor and work down on my side and my cousin's side. The children of the mutual ancestor are siblings, their children on both sides are first cousins and so on down the line. When you get to YOU and your cousin -- if the number of generations are EQUAL on both sides from the common ancestor you are 5th or 6th (or whatever) cousins. If the number of generations are NOT equal then the side with more generations is "removed" one time for each generation extra on the side with more generations. I know it takes longer than just looking at a chart but it makes me understand the relationship better to do it in my head. Joan In a message dated 6/14/2012 8:18:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jim@acesrecycling.com writes: I Thought I had an understanding of cousins and their relationship to me, but apparently, I'm wrong! My software, My Heritage, calculates the relationship of every person in my database. However, I don't think I understand how they come up with the "Once Removed, Twice Removed" part of their description. EG: I found a new cousin the other day whose name is Karla, Karla is my 6th cousin. Karla's father, Roy, as you would expect, is my 5th cousin, but Once Removed. Why is he "Once Removed"? Karla's children are my 6th cousins, Once Removed. Why are they not my 7th cousins? It gets worse! Karla's grandfather is my 4th cousin, "Twice Removed". And her great Grandfather is my 3rd cousin 3 times removed. All of these people share the same grand parents, 3, 4, 5, or 6 generations back. So why are some of them Once, Twice, or 3 times Removed? Instead of all of them being just cousins? Very confusing! I hope someone on this list can explain this "Removed" part of relationships to me in plain English. Jim ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just never gave much thought to the exact relationship or what to call it. I was too happy to find one more branch or twig for my tree. But when I started using Family Tree Maker the relationship is shown in the top right corner for whoever the focus is on and the relationship is just to me or number one in the tree. FTM uses "grand aunt" while another uses "great aunt" and the third app uses "G Aunt" so there is no consensus among the software I have. Wikipedia has some information, maybe too much, and charts to look at. I'm still trying to decide between Family Tree Maker, GEDitCOM II, and Reunion 9. All run on a Mac. I have The Master Genealogist from years ago when I used Windows but going back to Windows is not an option I'd consider. Each one has something the others do not. Gale Gorman Houston On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:39 AM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: I prefer to work this out in my head rather using charts...that way I always understand it. I start with the COMMON ancestor and work down on my side and my cousin's side. The children of the mutual ancestor are siblings, their children on both sides are first cousins and so on down the line. When you get to YOU and your cousin -- if the number of generations are EQUAL on both sides from the common ancestor you are 5th or 6th (or whatever) cousins. If the number of generations are NOT equal then the side with more generations is "removed" one time for each generation extra on the side with more generations. I know it takes longer than just looking at a chart but it makes me understand the relationship better to do it in my head. Joan In a message dated 6/14/2012 8:18:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jim@acesrecycling.com writes: I Thought I had an understanding of cousins and their relationship to me, but apparently, I'm wrong! My software, My Heritage, calculates the relationship of every person in my database. However, I don't think I understand how they come up with the "Once Removed, Twice Removed" part of their description. EG: I found a new cousin the other day whose name is Karla, Karla is my 6th cousin. Karla's father, Roy, as you would expect, is my 5th cousin, but Once Removed. Why is he "Once Removed"? Karla's children are my 6th cousins, Once Removed. Why are they not my 7th cousins? It gets worse! Karla's grandfather is my 4th cousin, "Twice Removed". And her great Grandfather is my 3rd cousin 3 times removed. All of these people share the same grand parents, 3, 4, 5, or 6 generations back. So why are some of them Once, Twice, or 3 times Removed? Instead of all of them being just cousins? Very confusing! I hope someone on this list can explain this "Removed" part of relationships to me in plain English. Jim

I need to Google the relationship chart too. I use Family Tree Maker and I was surprised to see the term "Grand Aunt" and not "Great Aunt." The only place I see Great is with grandfather or grandmother. I can see how it would sound odd to have a grand grandmother. Gale Gorman Houston On Jun 14, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: Hi Jim If you google relationship chart you will find oodles of them If you are the same generations from the common ancestor you will be cousins, each time there is a generation difference (you are g.g.g.grandson, they are g.g.grandson) there will be difference in the relationship, ie once removed See http://www.obliquity.com/family/misc/cousin.html Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/06/2012 13:16, Jim Tarbet wrote: > I Thought I had an understanding of cousins and their relationship to > me, but apparently, I'm wrong! > My software, My Heritage, calculates the relationship of every person in > my database. However, I don't think I understand how > they come up with the "Once Removed, Twice Removed" part of their > description. > EG: > I found a new cousin the other day whose name is Karla, Karla is my 6th > cousin. > Karla's father, Roy, as you would expect, is my 5th cousin, but Once > Removed. Why is he "Once Removed"? > Karla's children are my 6th cousins, Once Removed. Why are they not my > 7th cousins? > > It gets worse! > Karla's grandfather is my 4th cousin, "Twice Removed". > And her great Grandfather is my 3rd cousin 3 times removed. > > All of these people share the same grand parents, 3, 4, 5, or 6 > generations back. So why are some of them Once, Twice, or 3 times > Removed? Instead of all of them being just cousins? > Very confusing! > > I hope someone on this list can explain this "Removed" part of > relationships to me in plain English. > > Jim =====

I Thought I had an understanding of cousins and their relationship to me, but apparently, I'm wrong! My software, My Heritage, calculates the relationship of every person in my database. However, I don't think I understand how they come up with the "Once Removed, Twice Removed" part of their description. EG: I found a new cousin the other day whose name is Karla, Karla is my 6th cousin. Karla's father, Roy, as you would expect, is my 5th cousin, but Once Removed. Why is he "Once Removed"? Karla's children are my 6th cousins, Once Removed. Why are they not my 7th cousins? It gets worse! Karla's grandfather is my 4th cousin, "Twice Removed". And her great Grandfather is my 3rd cousin 3 times removed. All of these people share the same grand parents, 3, 4, 5, or 6 generations back. So why are some of them Once, Twice, or 3 times Removed? Instead of all of them being just cousins? Very confusing! I hope someone on this list can explain this "Removed" part of relationships to me in plain English. Jim

NEW YORK RESEACHERS: One thing Ancestry.com did was arrange for the NY census surnames to be done as priority figuring that so many genners have families arriving/living in NY. and it's free, none of this two-week trial. Not only that but you can access an 1892 census which is a great fill-in for the 1890 census lost in a fire. http://www.ancestry.com/cs/us/newyork?o_iid=40092&o_lid=40092&o_sch=Web+Property On the right-hand side of the screen is a FREE offer to access other NY goodies. Using the 1892 census I delightedly found what I believe is my mgf David Goldberg along with a bunch of siblings whose names I never knew let alone their existence. Enough data matches that will prompt me to delve further. Joanie Joan Parker, Immediate Past President JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. Miami, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: George W. Durman To: roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] 1940 census on Family Search Ancestry.com IS in the process of indexing the 1940 Census Records by surname. Hope they get the job done soon. Sarge

My annual group research trip to the Ft. Wayne, Indiana, Library runs from 1-5 August 2012. If you've never been to the library, or don't like going by yourself, consider joining us for several days of research, learning, and fun. More details on our trip are on our website at: http://www.casefileclues.com/acpl2012.htm You can stay at the Hilton or find other accommodations if desired. Thanks! Michael -- ------------------------------------ Michael John Neill Casefile Clues-Genealogy How-Tos http://www.casefileclues.com