Do you teach algebra in your day job? Gale Gorman Houston On Jun 19, 2012, at 10:12 AM, John Ferman wrote: There is a simple formula to adduce the cousin level and the removes. For any two people in a family tree, identify the first common ancestor and then count the generations from that ancestor to each person. Let these counts be A and B. The lessor of A, B minus 2 is the cousin level and the positive difference between A, B is the number of removes. Works every time. There is no formal method for aunt/uncle or niece/nephew level. Sent from my iPad John Ferman Email in header

There is a simple formula to adduce the cousin level and the removes. For any two people in a family tree, identify the first common ancestor and then count the generations from that ancestor to each person. Let these counts be A and B. The lessor of A, B minus 2 is the cousin level and the positive difference between A, B is the number of removes. Works every time. There is no formal method for aunt/uncle or niece/nephew level. Sent from my iPad John Ferman Email in header On Jun 19, 2012, at 2:00 AM, roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Re: [ROOTS-L] COUSINS 1ST AND 2ND REMOVED vs SECOND COUSINS

explain please: 3 brothers... John, Joe B, Joe C.. married.. John married Toni, Joe B married Sadies Joe C married Irenia John and Toni are first cousins Joe B and Sadies as well as Joe C and Irenia are 2nd cousins Toni is the aunt to Sades and to Irenia.. John , Joe B and Joe C are now brothers and John is uncle to Joe B and Joe C, Toni becomes sister in law to Sadies and to Irenia plus by marriage , boys are 1st cousins, and 2nd cousins I'm my own grandma....................?????? gloria On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Joanne Steckling <joanne@jsteckling.com>wrote: > Hi all- > Not to belabor the topic, but I haven't seen anyone mention the way that I > use to figure out "cousinship". If two people share grandparents, they are > first cousins. If two people share great grandparents, they are second > cousins, if two people share great great grands, they are third cousins, > and so on. > > If Jane and I are first cousins, Jane's son is my first cousin once > removed (one generation). Jane's grandson is my first cousin twice removed.

If you're descended from Sarah's 1st marriage, then Sara (the daughter by Sarah's 2nd marriage) would be your half-2nd great aunt. Drew Smith On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Gale Gorman <gale_gorman@me.com> wrote: > I just ran across a relationship in my tree that will test your skills. It used mine up quickly. I just received a reply from a "hint" on Ancestry and this person's great aunt (May) was married to a son (John) of my 2nd great granmother's daughter. > > I don't know how this complicates the relationship but the daughter (Sara) of my 2nd great grandmother (Sarah) was by her second marriage. My 2nd great grandfather died. > > To start with, is Sara my 2nd great aunt?

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I just ran across a relationship in my tree that will test your skills. It used mine up quickly. I just received a reply from a "hint" on Ancestry and this person's great aunt (May) was married to a son (John) of my 2nd great granmother's daughter. I don't know how this complicates the relationship but the daughter (Sara) of my 2nd great grandmother (Sarah) was by her second marriage. My 2nd great grandfather died. To start with, is Sara my 2nd great aunt? Gale Gorman Houston On Jun 17, 2012, at 12:55 AM, Joan Parker wrote: Here is my way of figuring out who are "removed cousins" and "second" cousins. Many folks tend to mix the two terms and think they are interchangeable which they are not. Let's say you have a first cousin who has children. These children are your first cousins once removed because they are one generation down (REMOVED) from your first cousin. Time passes and these children now have children of their own. These children are your first cousins, twice removed because they are now two generations down the direct line of your first cousin. Therefore any direct descendant of your first cousin is your first cousin x-amount of generations removed adding one number for each new generation directly related to your first cousin. When the word "removed" is used to describe a cousin relationship it indicates that two people are from different generations therefore "once removed" indicates a difference of one generation while "twice removed" indicates a difference of two generations and so on.. Therefore your first cousin is just that, a first cousin, while his/her children are the "once removed" then her grandchildren are the "twice removed" from you. Now second cousins are your children and your first cousin's children because they are children of first cousins: you and your first cousin. I hope you find this an easier explanation. Happy Father's Day to the Dads on this list. Joanie Joan Parker Immediate Past President JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. Miami, FL

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Hi all- Not to belabor the topic, but I haven't seen anyone mention the way that I use to figure out "cousinship". If two people share grandparents, they are first cousins. If two people share great grandparents, they are second cousins, if two people share great great grands, they are third cousins, and so on. If Jane and I are first cousins, Jane's son is my first cousin once removed (one generation). Jane's grandson is my first cousin twice removed. Joanne Steckling

I will have a go at it, Name: Mary Flynn Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Timothy Flynn Mother's name: Mary Flynn Gender: Female Where born: Cork, Ireland Civil parish: St John The Evangelist Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: St John Westminster ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 264 Piece: 119 Folio: 75 Page Number: 38 Household Members: Name Age Timothy Flynn 55 Mary Flynn 45 John Flynn 20 Philip Flynn 18 Eliza Flynn 9 Mary Flynn 8 Timothy Flynn 7 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 119; Folio: 75; Page: 38; GSU roll: 838768. Name: Timothy Flynn Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Flynn Gender: Male Where born: Cork, Ireland Civil parish: St John The Evangelist Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: St John Westminster ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 264 Piece: 119 Folio: 75 Page Number: 38 Ancestry also offered up this Learning Center Publish Shop + Gift Hire An Expert 1880 United States Federal Census about Timothy Flynn Name: Timothy Flynn Age: 65 Birth Year: abt 1815 Birthplace: Ireland Home in 1880: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Self (Head) Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Mary Flynn Father's Birthplace: Ireland Mother's Birthplace: Ireland Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: Laborer Cannot read/write: Blind: Deaf and dumb: Otherwise disabled: Idiotic or insane: View image Household Members: Name Age Timothy Flynn 65 Mary Flynn 60 Teddy Flynn 16 John Flynn 21 Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan; Roll: 611; Family History Film: 1254611; Page: 82A; Enumeration District: 274; Image: 0159. Eliz On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Angela Higdon <angelrose2562@msn.com> wrote: > > > > > Hello list. I subscribe to ancestry, but not the international version. I just received a hint on my tree for Mary Flynn, but there was no other info. I know tha family lived in England for an indeterminate time. The hint was for: Mary FlynnBorn 1863 Cork, Ireland.  If it is her, she would be listed with:Simon Flynn, ca 1830, Ireland Ellen Flynn b. ca 1835 Cork, Ireland Matthew Flynn b. 1861 Cork, Ireland Ellen, or Nellie, Flynn b. ca 1866 England.   Thank you in advance! > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list. I subscribe to ancestry, but not the international version. I just received a hint on my tree for Mary Flynn, but there was no other info. I know tha family lived in England for an indeterminate time. The hint was for: Mary FlynnBorn 1863 Cork, Ireland. If it is her, she would be listed with:Simon Flynn, ca 1830, Ireland Ellen Flynn b. ca 1835 Cork, Ireland Matthew Flynn b. 1861 Cork, Ireland Ellen, or Nellie, Flynn b. ca 1866 England. Thank you in advance!

Hi Doreen Do you mean :- Ordering copies by mail from the LDS See https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Services Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/06/2012 06:53, Doreen Jackson wrote: > Family Search is like a Maze!! I have been trying to find the page where you order Certificates, but no matter how many different searches I put in cannot actually access the page. Why do they make it so complicated. Can someone please help me. > > Thanks. > > Doreen

Absolutely correct and well said. I have been able to identify cousins as far as 8th cousins and some first or second cousins up to 6 generations removed. RootsMagic also tells me I am my own 5th cousin (twice) and my own 6th cousin (also twice). I am also 7th cousins, 3 times removed from President Theodore Roosevelt and 8th cousins with the late Marlon Brando, etc. Certainly no biggie but indicative of how one can identify relationships. Cheers, Ron Submarine Vet. On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Joan Parker wrote: > Here is my way of figuring out who are "removed cousins" and "second" > cousins. Many folks tend to mix the two terms and think they are > interchangeable which they are not. > > Let's say you have a first cousin who has children. These children are > your first cousins once removed because they are one generation down > (REMOVED) from your first cousin. Time passes and these children now > have children of their own. These children are your first cousins, > twice removed because they are now two generations down the direct > line of your first cousin. Therefore any direct descendant of your > first cousin is your first cousin x-amount of generations removed > adding one number for each new generation directly related to your > first cousin. > > When the word "removed" is used to describe a cousin relationship it > indicates that two people are from different generations therefore > "once removed" indicates a difference of one generation while "twice > removed" indicates a difference of two generations and so on.. > Therefore your first cousin is just that, a first cousin, while > his/her children are the "once removed" then her grandchildren are the > "twice removed" from you. > > Now second cousins are your children and your first cousin's children > because they are children of first cousins: you and your first cousin. > > I hope you find this an easier explanation. > Happy Father's Day to the Dads on this list. > Joanie > > Joan Parker > Immediate Past President > JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. > Miami, FL > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A simple way to determine the cousin relationship is to go to http://www.wolframalpha.com and type in the plain English relationship tree and it will determine the relationship. For example: Go to the site and type in "my mother's brother's daughter's daughter" and it will give the answer "first cousin once removed".

Here is my way of figuring out who are "removed cousins" and "second" cousins. Many folks tend to mix the two terms and think they are interchangeable which they are not. Let's say you have a first cousin who has children. These children are your first cousins once removed because they are one generation down (REMOVED) from your first cousin. Time passes and these children now have children of their own. These children are your first cousins, twice removed because they are now two generations down the direct line of your first cousin. Therefore any direct descendant of your first cousin is your first cousin x-amount of generations removed adding one number for each new generation directly related to your first cousin. When the word "removed" is used to describe a cousin relationship it indicates that two people are from different generations therefore "once removed" indicates a difference of one generation while "twice removed" indicates a difference of two generations and so on.. Therefore your first cousin is just that, a first cousin, while his/her children are the "once removed" then her grandchildren are the "twice removed" from you. Now second cousins are your children and your first cousin's children because they are children of first cousins: you and your first cousin. I hope you find this an easier explanation. Happy Father's Day to the Dads on this list. Joanie Joan Parker Immediate Past President JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. Miami, FL

Hi Everyone, Since you are all interested in genealogy I thought I'd send the below....who knows maybe someone can identify at least one of the photos. Gretchen This was on AOL this evening......hope it shows up. You'll have to cut and paste since the Hyperlink probably won't go thru Roots. _http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/11/civil-war-photos-girls_n_1586523.h tml?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl14%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D170470#s= 1079558_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/11/civil-war-photos-girls_n_1586523.html?icid=maing-grid10|htmlws-main-bb|dl14|sec1_lnk3&pLid=170470#s=1 079558) _Civil War Photos: Officials Seek Answers On Mysterious Images Of Little Girls Found On Battlefield_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/11/civil-war-photos-girls_n_1586523.html?icid=maing-grid10|htmlws-main-bb|dl14|sec1_ln k3&pLid=170470#s=1079558)

Family Search is like a Maze!! I have been trying to find the page where you order Certificates, but no matter how many different searches I put in cannot actually access the page.  Why do they make it so complicated.  Can someone please help me.   Thanks.   Doreen

That's if you're mathematically oriented! If you can, draw a picture. I majored in Anthropology, and I find it easiest to draw a picture if I get confused. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2012, at 12:14 PM, John Ferman <johnwferman@gmail.com> wrote: > An easier way of figuring the cousin's relationship is to apply the following procedure. > > Two people will have a common ancestor. Let A and B represent the number of generations from that ancestor. The lesser of A and B defines the Cousin level. If A < B, then the two persons are A-2 nth cousins. The number of Removes is B-A. > > Sent from my iPad > John Ferman > Email in header > > On Jun 16, 2012, at 2:00 AM, roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:54:42 -0700 (PDT) >> From: "T. Risinger" <knoxcone@yahoo.com> >> Subject: [ROOTS-L] Cousin Calculator >> To: ROOTS@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <1339746882.25357.YahooMailClassic@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Here is a sample that should explain it to you. http://risinger.us/forest/cousins.htm? Click on "Printable Copy" for a copy that you can print and fill out > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Easier ? I am sorry John But that makes no sense to me whatsoever <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/06/2012 17:14, John Ferman wrote: > An easier way of figuring the cousin's relationship is to apply the > following procedure. > > Two people will have a common ancestor. Let A and B represent the > number of generations from that ancestor. The lesser of A and B > defines the Cousin level. If A < B, then the two persons are A-2 nth > cousins. The number of Removes is B-A. > > Sent from my iPad John Ferman

________________________________       6. Civil War Units File CWUNITS New Version Available       (Carol Botteron)  Hello, I went to the suggested website and copied the address for MS 43rd Infantry, CSA, copied the link and pasted it into my browser. The website which apparently was there is now gone and nothing in the MS records is available. Looking for where my g grandfather, Benjamin Francis Sims, Capt. is buried. Thanks for any info or help, Patty Sims

Thanks John. On 6/16/2012 12:14 PM, John Ferman wrote: An easier way of figuring the cousin's relationship is to apply the following p rocedure. Two people will have a common ancestor. Let A and B represent the number of gen erations from that ancestor. The lesser of A and B defines the Cousin level. If A < B, then the two persons are A-2 nth cousins. The number of Removes is B-A. Sent from my iPad John Ferman Email in header On Jun 16, 2012, at 2:00 AM, [1]roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:54:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "T. Risinger" [2]<knoxcone@yahoo.com> Subject: [ROOTS-L] Cousin Calculator To: [3]ROOTS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: [4]<1339746882.25357.YahooMailClassic@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Here is a sample that should explain it to you. [5]http://risinger.us/forest/co usins.htm? Click on "Printable Copy" for a copy that you can print and fill out ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to [6]roots-admin@roo tsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7]ROOTS-request@rootsweb .com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:roots-request@rootsweb.com 2. mailto:knoxcone@yahoo.com 3. mailto:ROOTS@rootsweb.com 4. mailto:1339746882.25357.YahooMailClassic@web162804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com 5. http://risinger.us/forest/cousins.htm 6. mailto:roots-admin@rootsweb.com 7. mailto:ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com