Sounds as tho you really need Irish sites <G> Especially the one centered on Mayo <G> Do you know the Irish search sites? But is this your family? It is too bad Ellen is born in Pa, really limits the places you can find her, PA used to be very open about their records and then started to act like letting people see the records might empty them! Do you have Ancestry? Their new matching engine is 90% brilliant <G> Name: Edward Gilmartin Birthplace: Pennsylvania Relationship to Head of Household: Son Residence: Dunmore Ward 6, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania Marital Status: Single Race : White Gender: Male Immigration Year: Father's Birthplace: Ireland Mother's Birthplace: Ireland Family Number: 371 Page Number: 20 Household Gender Age Birthplace SELF James Gilmartin M 62y Ireland WIFE Ellen Gilmartin F 62y Pennsylvania SON Eugene Gilmartin M 26y Pennsylvania SON Thomas Gilmartin M 29y Pennsylvania SON Edward Gilmartin M 21y Pennsylvania Source Citation "United States Census, 1910," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MGZ8-YBV : accessed 22 June 2012), Edward Gilmartin in household of James Gilmartin, Dunmore Ward 6, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:54 PM, WM LYMAN <bilnflo@yahoo.com> wrote: > I can't seem to break through on the Gilmartin's of Scranton, PA. Dorothy Elizabeth Gilmartin's father was Edward Gerald Gilmartin b. 2 Mar 1888 and married to Fredericka Elizabeth Jones, b. 3 Oct 1891. His father was James Gilmartin Jr.? b. Apr 1846 in County Mayo, Ireland married to an Ellen Cook of whom I can't find anything and his father was also James Gilmartin Sr? married to an un-named French woman who died around 1852-8 in County Mayo. I've searched as much as I know how looking thru all the Lackawanna County has to offer. I guess the next thing will be to visit the area, some 800 miles. > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You will find what you are looking for on 1901 census Ref RG13/5008/103/16 Thomas Herne died in 1899 and Ann remarried to Alfred Parker in 1900. On the 1911 census the children are shown with the surname Parker, look for Alfred Parker b1859 Pontypool. Ray Martin ======================================== Message Received: Jun 20 2012, 05:33 AM From: "Teddy Markhart" To: roots@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [ROOTS-L] cannot find family on census I am reseaching the HEARNE family from Pontypridd, Glamorgan, South Wales but cannot find any of the family on the census for 1891, 1901, 1911 Thomas Hearne ( spelled HERN on his marriage cert) wife is Ann. They married 1881 born and married Pontypridd child William John born 1897 (Spelled HERNE on his birth cert) born and married Pontypridd The spelling changes to HEARNE with William John's son also named William. I have tried all the spelling variations including HURN, URN, HEARNE, HERN, HERNE, and any other variants I can think of. This family never left South Wales Any suggestions on finding them on the census would be appreciated, thanks so much! ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can't seem to break through on the Gilmartin's of Scranton, PA. Dorothy Elizabeth Gilmartin's father was Edward Gerald Gilmartin b. 2 Mar 1888 and married to Fredericka Elizabeth Jones, b. 3 Oct 1891. His father was James Gilmartin Jr.? b. Apr 1846 in County Mayo, Ireland married to an Ellen Cook of whom I can't find anything and his father was also James Gilmartin Sr? married to an un-named French woman who died around 1852-8 in County Mayo. I've searched as much as I know how looking thru all the Lackawanna County has to offer. I guess the next thing will be to visit the area, some 800 miles.

AMERICAN AND WEST INDIAN COLONIES BEFORE 1782 - The British colonies on the western shores of the Atlantic were founded and developed in a variety of circumstances during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries: as a result their legal status and administrative arrangements followed no common pattern. Control by the authorities in London was seldom close and in some colonies, at some periods, almost nonexistent. Local government was generally conducted by officials of the colonies themselves, and the records thereof are preserved, if they survive, in the appropriate state archive, where any inquiry should first be pursued. The responsible authorities in London were the Secretaries of State and the Board of Trade. Of the two Secretaries, it was the Secretary of State for the Southern Department who was primarily, if not exclusively, charged with the oversight of colonial administrations, except for the period between 1768 and 1782, when a third Secretary of State, the Colonial or American Secretary, was appointed. For much executive action, advice and routine administration, however, the Secretaries were dependent on the Lords of Trade and Plantations, commonly known as the Board of Trade. The Board was founded in 1696 to succeed a variety of bodies with similar titles and overlapping jurisdictions which had existed at various periods since 1660. Its functions were originally purely advisory, but came in time to include much of the administration of the colonies, and to its offices at Plantations House were addressed many of the papers now in the Public Record Office. PRINTED GUIDES - The prime source of information about the records held in the Public Record Office is C. M. Andrews Guide to the Materials for American History to 1783 in the Public Record Office (2 vols, Carnegie Institution, Washington, 1912). Some of the references given are now obsolete, but can be keyed to those in current use. A complete history of the records with guidance on their use, giving the references in their modern form, is to be found in R. D. B Pugh The Records of the Colonial and Dominions Offices, (PRO Handbook No 3, HMSO 1964). Documents in the Public Record Office and elsewhere not mentioned by Andrews are described in B R Crick and M Alman eds. A Guide to Manuscripts Relating to America in Great Britain and Ireland (Mansell Publishing 1961) a revised edition of which has been prepared by John W. Raimo and published, under the same title, by Meckler Books/Mansell Publishing (1979). Documents relating to the Caribbean are noted in H C Bell, D W. Parker and others Guide to British West Indian Archive Materials, in London and in the Islands, for the History of the United States (Carnegie Institution, Washington 1926); and P Walne ed. A Guide to Manuscript Sources for the History of Latin America and the Caribbean in the British Isles (Oxford University Press, 973). For more of this article, see This and That England, Scotland, Ireland at my This and That Tips page, url in signature below. Shirley Hornbeck <http://www.genealogical.com/products/This%20and%20That%20Genealogy%20Tips/9377.html> <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck>

I forgot about this one, I have a cousin born in 1936 out of wedlock and the GRO index shows his surname as his Mothers. I sent for the birth certificate and when it came it was dated 5 years later with a different Surname. In the informants box it said as per declaration dated feb 1941. His parents got married 5 years after he was born and the mother put his fathers name on the certificate. Ray Martin ======================================== Message Received: Jun 20 2012, 07:15 PM From: "Diane" To: Roots@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [ROOTS-L] Birth certificate query MY birth certificate Hi there, Diane here. Please could anyone kindly tell me what this means do you think? On MY birth certificate is says where is says description of informant: Arthur William Margrie of 205 Alma Avenue essex Hornchurch Father H S as per Declaration dated 28th July 1947 What does: H S as per Declaration dated 28th July 1947 mean please, I have always wondered about that!! Thanks very much for any answers that you might be able to give to me. Diane ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The declaration means that your family had moved from where you were born and tried to registered your birth at a different registry office , they then had to sign a declaration which would be sent to the registrar where you were born. The same thing happened with my grandfather. Ray Martin ======================================== Message Received: Jun 20 2012, 07:37 PM From: "Gale Gorman" To: "Diane" Cc: Roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Birth certificate query MY birth certificate I've never seen that but the first thing to come to mind is "His Signature" and as per Declaration could be like a Notary Public? Is the document typed? If so it was transcribed from original and there probably wasn't a way to duplicate a signature in '47. Gale Gorman Houston On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Diane wrote: Hi there, Diane here. Please could anyone kindly tell me what this means do you think? On MY birth certificate is says where is says description of informant: Arthur William Margrie of 205 Alma Avenue essex Hornchurch Father H S as per Declaration dated 28th July 1947 What does: H S as per Declaration dated 28th July 1947 mean please, I have always wondered about that!! Thanks very much for any answers that you might be able to give to me. Diane ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gerry, Did you look for him under the name "Horacio Collazo"? Drew Smith On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Gerry <beachbumn55@aol.com> wrote: > > Horace and Ernestine R. Collazo > > We have all Ernestine (Ernie) Roberta Eimicke's information. She was born on 6 Mar 1936 - in New York City. > > Horace and Ernestine's first child - Enrique (Henry) Albert Collazo - was born in 1953 in New York City; Denise and Robert soon followed. We also have all Henry's information - - - > > When looking for Horace's information we used every possible research combinations in Ancestry - Rootsweb - and Familysearch; no information was found. What's particular interesting - the name Horace - is extremely obscure / almost non- existent. Our best guess is Horace was born before Ernestine - - - > > If you have any information - you would like to share - please send your information to my email at: beachbumn55@aol.com > > Thanks in advance - - - > > Gerry Lang

Hi there, Diane here. Please could anyone kindly tell me what this means do you think? On MY birth certificate is says where is says description of informant: Arthur William Margrie of 205 Alma Avenue essex Hornchurch Father H S as per Declaration dated 28th July 1947 What does: H S as per Declaration dated 28th July 1947 mean please, I have always wondered about that!! Thanks very much for any answers that you might be able to give to me. Diane

Horace and Ernestine R. Collazo We have all Ernestine (Ernie) Roberta Eimicke's information. She was born on 6 Mar 1936 - in New York City. Horace and Ernestine's first child - Enrique (Henry) Albert Collazo - was born in 1953 in New York City; Denise and Robert soon followed. We also have all Henry's information - - - When looking for Horace's information we used every possible research combinations in Ancestry - Rootsweb - and Familysearch; no information was found. What's particular interesting - the name Horace - is extremely obscure / almost non- existent. Our best guess is Horace was born before Ernestine - - - If you have any information - you would like to share - please send your information to my email at: beachbumn55@aol.com Thanks in advance - - - Gerry Lang

Have you tried searching thru familysearch.org? Their searchengine is good a finding odd spellings https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&region=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND And I am with Nivard <G> families had a nasty habit of saying "we always lived ......" only to find them a state or county over, close but if you are searching them you won't find them where "we always lived" Eliz On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Teddy Markhart <foxfordgrad@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am reseaching the HEARNE family from Pontypridd, Glamorgan, South Wales but cannot find any of the family on the census for 1891, 1901, 1911 > Thomas Hearne ( spelled HERN on his marriage cert) wife is Ann. They married 1881 born and married Pontypridd > child William John born 1897 (Spelled HERNE on his birth cert) born and married Pontypridd > The spelling changes to HEARNE with William John's son also named William. > > I have tried all the spelling variations including HURN, URN, HEARNE, HERN, HERNE, and any other variants I can think of. > > This family never left South Wales > > Any suggestions on finding them on the census would be appreciated, > thanks so much! > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list. I am doing research for a friend and have a tangled mess to unravel. I was wondering if anyone knows these BUCKS? I have a Joseph Victor BUCK, Sr. He was born in 1912, possibly in Indiana. Per his obituary in the East St. Louis Journal, when he died in 1868 at the age of 56, he had lived in ESTL for 52 years, so he moved to IL around 1914. He may have gone by the name Vic. His spouse(s) are not listed in the obit. 2 years before he died, he moved back to IN. I do not know if he and Alma (below) divorced or if she moved with him and then back to IL when he died. He married at an unknown age, possibly to a Delores. He had children Joseph Victor Buck, Jr, Thomas Buck, Sharon (married a COOK), and Delores (married an ECTON.) I do not know the birth dates of the children, nor the name or birth or death date or place for his wife. He is where things get tricky. At some point, Joseph Sr. remarried to Alma NOLAN.(b. 1924 in IN, d. 2000 in Collinsville, IL) NOLAN is listed as her maiden name in her obit, but she also has no spouses listed at all. She had at least one child at this time, Carole. Carole marries Joseph Buck, JR, around the age of 14. It is unknown if Alma and Joseph Sr marry first then Carole and Jr meet and marry, or if it is the other way around. It is said that Joseph Jr was in his late 20s and Carole was 14. Jr and Carole have a son, Joseph Victor BUCK III before they divorce. Alma NOLEN BUCK's obit lists several children. The male children are listed as BUCKS, so they may be Joseph Sr's. The female children are listed by married name, so I just have no idea. Donna AtwoodBarbara HughesCarole Hunt ( I don't know if HUNT was her maiden name or if she remarried)Glenda PHEGLEYJudy PHEGLEYVernon BUCKVictor BUCK I am pretty sure all of the children are still living.

I've never seen that but the first thing to come to mind is "His Signature" and as per Declaration could be like a Notary Public? Is the document typed? If so it was transcribed from original and there probably wasn't a way to duplicate a signature in '47. Gale Gorman Houston On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Diane wrote: Hi there, Diane here. Please could anyone kindly tell me what this means do you think? On MY birth certificate is says where is says description of informant: Arthur William Margrie of 205 Alma Avenue essex Hornchurch Father H S as per Declaration dated 28th July 1947 What does: H S as per Declaration dated 28th July 1947 mean please, I have always wondered about that!! Thanks very much for any answers that you might be able to give to me. Diane

Hi Teddy? Having had a look it appears its a case that requires more details Who did he marry Have you found them in 1881? can you give the page(s) reference When was he born and where (*in* Pontypridd or surrounds) When and where was his wife born If you can't find them in 1891, 1901 or 1911 how do you know for certain they never left Wales? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/06/2012 05:30, Teddy Markhart wrote: > I am reseaching the HEARNE family from Pontypridd, Glamorgan, South > Wales but cannot find any of the family on the census for 1891, 1901, > 1911 Thomas Hearne ( spelled HERN on his marriage cert) wife is Ann. > They married 1881 born and married Pontypridd child William John born > 1897 (Spelled HERNE on his birth cert) born and married Pontypridd > The spelling changes to HEARNE with William John's son also named > William. > > I have tried all the spelling variations including HURN, URN, HEARNE, > HERN, HERNE, and any other variants I can think of. > > This family never left South Wales

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I was looking for Merrick County, NE history items on e-Bay and found there are a number of photos for the William and Esther Abel family. They are currently up for bid. They are not any of my relation but wouldn't it be nice to find an old family photo? Sandy

I am reseaching the HEARNE family from Pontypridd, Glamorgan, South Wales but cannot find any of the family on the census for 1891, 1901, 1911 Thomas Hearne ( spelled HERN on his marriage cert) wife is Ann. They married 1881 born and married Pontypridd child William John born 1897 (Spelled HERNE on his birth cert) born and married Pontypridd The spelling changes to HEARNE with William John's son also named William.   I have tried all the spelling variations including HURN, URN, HEARNE, HERN, HERNE, and any other variants I can think of.   This family never left South Wales   Any suggestions on finding them on the census would be appreciated, thanks so much!  

Will- We already did that in this very thread. I posted a link to an old article in the RootsWeb Review archives and advised also searching on grand aunt or grand uncle in the RWR archives for additional references. Joan In a message dated 6/19/2012 3:17:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cooper.will76@yahoo.com writes: While the list is going on and on about the relationship calculations, someone should explain the rather simple, but seldom followed procedures for identifying aunts and uncles as "great" or "grand." Will Cooper

On Jun 19, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Will Cooper wrote: someone should explain the rather simple, but seldom followed procedures for identifying aunts and uncles as "great" or "grand." -----------snip---------- why not start right here? Gale Gorman Houston

While the list is going on and on about the relationship calculations, someone should explain the rather simple, but seldom followed procedures for identifying aunts and uncles as "great" or "grand." Will Cooper "The universe is made of stories, not atoms" Muriel Rukeyser

I have a Heinrich Lange a.k.a. Henry Lung b. 1756 in Hessen, Germany, coming to the U.S. in Connecticut, died "at sea, Atlantic, New Jersey" in 1795. He was husband of previously married Elizabeth Bartholomew Warren/Warner and father of Bronson Warren Lange/Lung and Alanson Lung. How would I find out more about how/why/where he died "at sea"? Thanks for your help!