Were Sarah Bridges and Nancy Rosetta Bridges sisters? (You didn't say.) Drew Smith On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> wrote: > Maybe this is a one upper... My great great grandfather (Isaac William Cupp) had two wives at the same time, (Sarah Bridges and Nancy Rosetta Bridges) they of course had children they married and had children a set of those children married each other.. > > Isaac William Cupp - Nancy Rosetta Bridges > child: William Cup wife Susan Ray > child Mary Jane Cupp > > Isaac William Cupp - Sarah Bridges > child Claiborne Cupp wife Sarah Abney > child: Isaac Nathaniel Cupp > > What is their relationship to each other? > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > I descend from Isaac William Cupp and wife Nancy Rosetta Bridges > child: Francis Marion Cupp wife Agnes Jane Howe > child Martha Jane Cupp husband John Thomas Gilpin > my father > me > > Now Isaac William Cupp and wife Sarah Bridges > child Rachell Susan Cupp husband James A. Howe (brother to my Agnes Jane Howe) > how are their children related to my father and then to me

Hi, Maybe this is a one upper... My great great grandfather (Isaac William Cupp) had two wives at the same time, (Sarah Bridges and Nancy Rosetta Bridges) they of course had children they married and had children a set of those children married each other.. Isaac William Cupp - Nancy Rosetta Bridges child: William Cup wife Susan Ray child Mary Jane Cupp Isaac William Cupp - Sarah Bridges child Claiborne Cupp wife Sarah Abney child: Isaac Nathaniel Cupp What is their relationship to each other? ~~~~~~~~~~ I descend from Isaac William Cupp and wife Nancy Rosetta Bridges child: Francis Marion Cupp wife Agnes Jane Howe child Martha Jane Cupp husband John Thomas Gilpin my father me Now Isaac William Cupp and wife Sarah Bridges child Rachell Susan Cupp husband James A. Howe (brother to my Agnes Jane Howe) how are their children related to my father and then to me.. ((No doubling on my line...lol) Nelda But, today well lived - makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a vision of hope. My Genealogy: http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy: http://www.geneticsand.us Gilpin Worldwide Project: http://www.gilpingenetics.us My Business: http://www.aircastles-internet-marketing.biz With lists to the blogs. ~~~~~

In a message dated 7/9/2012 12:22:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gale_gorman@me.com writes: > Same thing happened in my ancestry so it was not uncommon for two sisters > from one family to marry two brother from another You're right--the gene pool was very limited in those days. My great-uncle married one girl and sometime after her death, married her sister. So were the two sisters' children half-siblings or half-cousins--or both? </HTML>

Years ago when I was researching my late husband's ancestors from Radstock, Somerset, England, I located a cousin who had worked on the family tree. There was a double cousin relationship between this English researcher and my husband where 2 BARTLETT sisters had married 2 YOUNG brothers in this small mining town in England. Joan In a message dated 7/9/2012 3:36:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gale_gorman@me.com writes: Same thing happened in my ancestry so it was not uncommon for two sisters from one family to marry two brother from another. As our ancestors staked a claim to property in the 1800s there just wasn't much of a pool to choose from. My paternal grandmother was a Mainer but her mother was a McClelland. Two different Mainer boys married two McClelland girls. Meanwhile on the Gorman side my 2nd great grandfather died at 47 and his widow married a neighbor. They both had quite a bit of property so this may have been a merger of sorts. They went on to have more children before my 2nd great grandmother died. Then the 2nd husband married his dead wife's niece. Gale Gorman Houston

Yeah, too bad I purchased a kit last week. Barton On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Kirsten Bowman wrote: > Well here’s a quick turnaround on Barton’s recent wish for a yDNA > sale! FTDNA is running special pricing until July 15th. Too bad we > can’t have more of our wishes granted so quickly. > > Kirsten > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Same thing happened in my ancestry so it was not uncommon for two sisters from one family to marry two brother from another. As our ancestors staked a claim to property in the 1800s there just wasn't much of a pool to choose from. My paternal grandmother was a Mainer but her mother was a McClelland. Two different Mainer boys married two McClelland girls. Meanwhile on the Gorman side my 2nd great grandfather died at 47 and his widow married a neighbor. They both had quite a bit of property so this may have been a merger of sorts. They went on to have more children before my 2nd great grandmother died. Then the 2nd husband married his dead wife's niece. Gale Gorman Houston On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Barbraseb@wmconnect.com wrote: Don't think it's that unusual. My brother and sister married a brother and sister. To complicate things further for future researchers, both girls were named Virginia, and both first sons were named for their fathers!

My grandfathe Bernardo's brother John married my grandmothe Sadie's aunt Toni.. my grandfather Bernardo and his brother John and this aunt Toni were 1st cousins this my grandfather Bernardo and grandmother Sadie were 2nd cousins.. and my grand uncle John and my grandfather Bernardo were brothers but via marriage became Uncle and nephew, still were 1st cousins but 2nd cousins as well... so my dad Joe B and Henry who was grand uncle John's son were 1st cousins, ?? cousins, 3rd cousins, and even 4th cousins..??? I could go on with Bernardo's and John's other siblings.. Candy married Irene, who was also a 2nd cousin cuz was 1st cousin to my grams, and niece to Tony.. and finally younger bro to Bernardo, Candy, and John.. Sev married the daughter to my grams uncle on her dad's side.. I'm my own grandma............................ Gloria On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Drew Smith <drewsmithtpa@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, they are called "double first cousins". > > Drew Smith > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Sally Siemoens <ssiemoe@twcny.rr.com> > wrote: > > My daughter's mother-in-law has a first cousin with not one shared > > grandmother, but two. Their mothers are sisters and their fathers are > > brothers. Is there a special name for this relationship? Genetically > they > > are closer than first cousins. > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

OUCH! Well, you're not alone Barton. And if you return it quickly you'll be ahead of the crush. Kirsten -----Original Message----- From: BARTON LEWIS Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 12:18 PM To: viking@rvi.net Cc: roots-l@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ROOTS-L] FTDNA Sale Yeah, too bad I purchased a kit last week. Barton On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Kirsten Bowman wrote: > Well here’s a quick turnaround on Barton’s recent wish for a yDNA sale! > FTDNA is running special pricing until July 15th. Too bad we can’t have > more of our wishes granted so quickly. > > Kirsten > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hey Joyce , I believe I have been in contact with someone that has a Moses Estes but I will see what I have. I have been looking for some connections between Nash and Estes. An old cemetery near Stanford, Arkansas called Cross Roads has a Schisler L. Estes born 1880 died 1961 buried there. A photo taken of tomstone was taken by a Jamie Nash. This leads me to believe Nash and Estes to be related. Also does anyone know who Dr. S. J. Estes of Lorado, Arkansas? My g-grandfather Reuben Easter born 1860- says Missouri in 1880,AR Census, but our Y-DNA says were are ESTES. Trying to find out who his parents were. I wish you lots of luck in gathering your information! Thanks, Brenda

Don't think it's that unusual. My brother and sister married a brother and sister. To complicate things further for future researchers, both girls were named Virginia, and both first sons were named for their fathers! </HTML>

Well here’s a quick turnaround on Barton’s recent wish for a yDNA sale! FTDNA is running special pricing until July 15th. Too bad we can’t have more of our wishes granted so quickly. Kirsten

Yes, they are called "double first cousins". Drew Smith On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Sally Siemoens <ssiemoe@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > My daughter's mother-in-law has a first cousin with not one shared > grandmother, but two. Their mothers are sisters and their fathers are > brothers. Is there a special name for this relationship? Genetically they > are closer than first cousins.

My daughter's mother-in-law has a first cousin with not one shared grandmother, but two. Their mothers are sisters and their fathers are brothers. Is there a special name for this relationship? Genetically they are closer than first cousins.

It is common for settling towns to be named after the one from whence the settlers came from. Harriet Chase, Randolph Vermont

I have a family from Livingston Co., NY, who moved to Livingston Co., MI. Suzanne From: <fenenga@connpoint.net> > one branch of my family tree left very early TN for IL. they settled > in Greene Co., IL where they were part of the petition to create the > county. do you think it's likely that they came from Greene Co., TN?

one branch of my family tree left very early TN for IL. they settled in Greene Co., IL where they were part of the petition to create the county. do you think it's likely that they came from Greene Co., TN?

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I am trying to fix up an Estes picture genealogy book for my brothers and sisters.  As we all know time is going by very fast and we are not getting any younger so I have started a book with pictures of our relatives from years past with or without a paragraph or two about them.  If any of our readers have any pictures or stories of Moses Estes, do not have a birth date, he died in 1827 and his wife Lucy Hall  was born 1796 died in 1856 they married Jan. 1, 1815, or any of their siblings it would be so much appreciated. One of their sons was William Garrett Estes born June 15, 1826, his wife Margaret Austin died Oct. 14, 1871 they married Aug. 5, 1848. >From what I can find all of Moses Estes family was from Dickson County, TN. William Garrett Estes was my grandfathers (William Elmer Estes) grandfather and Moses was his ggrandfather. Thanking all of you in advance. Joyce  joenash82@comcast.net         

AMERICAN AND WEST INDIAN COLONIES BEFORE 1782 - The British colonies on the western shores of the Atlantic were founded and developed in a variety of circumstances during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries: as a result their legal status and administrative arrangements followed no common pattern. Control by the authorities in London was seldom close and in some colonies, at some periods, almost nonexistent. Local government was generally conducted by officials of the colonies themselves, and the records thereof are preserved, if they survive, in the appropriate state archive, where any inquiry should first be pursued. The responsible authorities in London were the Secretaries of State and the Board of Trade. Of the two Secretaries, it was the Secretary of State for the Southern Department who was primarily, if not exclusively, charged with the oversight of colonial administrations, except for the period between 1768 and 1782, when a third Secretary of State, the Colonial or American Secretary, was appointed. For much executive action, advice and routine administration, however, the Secretaries were dependent on the Lords of Trade and Plantations, commonly known as the Board of Trade. The Board was founded in 1696 to succeed a variety of bodies with similar titles and overlapping jurisdictions which had existed at various periods since 1660. Its functions were originally purely advisory, but came in time to include much of the administration of the colonies, and to its offices at Plantations House were addressed many of the papers now in the Public Record Office. PRINTED GUIDES - The prime source of information about the records held in the Public Record Office is C. M. Andrews Guide to the Materials for American History to 1783 in the Public Record Office (2 vols, Carnegie Institution, Washington, 1912). Some of the references given are now obsolete, but can be keyed to those in current use. A complete history of the records with guidance on their use, giving the references in their modern form, is to be found in R. D. B Pugh The Records of the Colonial and Dominions Offices, (PRO Handbook No 3, HMSO 1964). Documents in the Public Record Office and elsewhere not mentioned by Andrews are described in B R Crick and M Alman eds. A Guide to Manuscripts Relating to America in Great Britain and Ireland (Mansell Publishing 1961) a revised edition of which has been prepared by John W. Raimo and published, under the same title, by Meckler Books/Mansell Publishing (1979). Documents relating to the Caribbean are noted in H C Bell, D W. Parker and others Guide to British West Indian Archive Materials, in London and in the Islands, for the History of the United States (Carnegie Institution, Washington 1926); and P Walne ed. A Guide to Manuscript Sources for the History of Latin America and the Caribbean in the British Isles (Oxford University Press, 973). For more of this article, see This and That England, Scotland, Ireland at my This and That Tips page, url in signature below. Shirley Hornbeck <http://www.genealogical.com/products/This%20and%20That%20Genealogy%20Tips/9377.html> <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck> Shirley Hornbeck http://www.genealogical.com/products/This%20and%20That%20Genealogy%20Tips/9377.html http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hornbeck/index.htm

In Genealogy Bank there was a Martha Pulliam death notice, Greensboro Record, Leaksville.. Date April 1, 1941 for a Martha Ann but the article is not complete, and there is an article from the Greensboro about a Martha Cary Pulliam, but not a death notice. Sorry I couldn't find out more.