I have been out of contact with the RootsWeb site for a while due to illness. When did the social security index on the site get taken off? I remember a few years some posts that read Ancestry was going to take a lot of the searches off the Roots site so one would have to pay for them on Ancestry. I also let my subscription to Ancestry lapse because I wasn't using it. It was so helpful to use the Roots social security index, shame on Ancestry, What is going to disappear next?

I’ve read that at the LDS site the family trees now at new.FamilySearch are going to be moved to something called Family Tree with a number of improvements added. Do I understand this properly? If so, does anyone know more about it? (When, and how to access) Kirsten

Does this ring the bell for someone? Generation 6. Abraham Estes Abraham Estes, son of Sylvester Estes and Ellen Martin, was born in 1647, in Nonington, Kent County, England. Abraham's baptism record does not survive, however he was mentioned in his mother's will. He was a linen weaver at Sandwich, Kent, by 1672. He married Ann Burton (a widow) of 29 December 1672, at Worth, Kent. She died about 1674. Abraham emigrated to the British colonies in North America, arriving before 1682. On 20 April 1682 Lucy Keeling claimed headright for Abraham and 5 others, their passage to Virginia having previously been arranged and paid for by her deceased father, Thorowgood Keeling. Thorowgood died 8/1679, so it is likely Abraham either arrived or his passage had been arranged prior to this. It was a common practice for wealthy residents in the America's to sponsor emigrants, who would then serve an indenture to pay off the cost of the voyage. The typical indenture lasted seven years, after which the emigrant would be free to marry and obtain his own property. He was married/2 on 29 December 1692, in St. Steven’s Parish, King and Queen County, Virginia, to Barbara Brock, who was born between 1662 and 1667, daughter of Robert Brock, (St Stephens Parish, Virginia Colony) now King & Queen County, Virginia. Since Abraham was still in England by the start of 1673 and was a "freeman" in Virginia by 1683, it is likely he voyaged to the America's around 1674/1675. According to an unsourced claim, Abraham arrived on the "Vana". It has been speculated that his first wife, Ann Burton, died enroute to Virginia, tho' there is no evidence. "The following contribution to 'Estes Trails', October 1981 by Ernest Ests of New Orleans, LA: 'Abraham Easter (Estes) Emigrant: Captain Thorogood Keeling brought in Abraham Estes to Lower Norfolk Parish of Lyndhaven on 20 April 1682 (this was in Old Westmoreland County). Also it was stated in these papers that Abraham wed Barbara Brock, daughter of Robert Brock. See "Early Virginia Immigrants" in Library." In 1683 he was living in New Kent County, Virginia, before settling in the parish of St Stephen's, King and Queen County, Virginia. In 1683 he was a signatory of a petition whilst in St. Stephen's Parish. In 1704 he paid quit rent on 200 acres in King and Queen County. Abraham made a will 21 November 1720, in King and Queen County, Virginia, leaving his estate to his wife, Barbara. Barbara made her will 21 November 1720, leaving part of the estate to several of her children and the remainder to Elisha Estes and Thomas Poor and wife Susanna, for the raising of Moses and Barbara, who upon their parents death's would be raised by Thomas and Susanna Poor. VA Land Office Records, Book 13, pg. 379 Sep 8, 1728, Abraham Estes of King and Queen Co., received a patent for 500 acres being on S. side of the Middle River at the great mountains in Spotsylvania Co., beginning at Henry Madison's corner tree, adjoining the land of sd. Madison. Spotsylvania Co., VA Deed Book C, pg. 137 Dec 1, 1733, Abraham Estes of King and Queen Co., to John Leach of St. Mark's Parish, Spts. Co., 200 acres in St. Mark's Parish, Spts. Co., on branches of James River. Joseph Thomas, Robert Turner, Alexander Freeman, Dec 3, 1734. Virginia Historical Magazine, Vol 61, pg. 472-474, St. Margarett's Parish, Caroline Co., VA (New) Will of Abraham Estes, Sr., dated Aug 10, 1757, proven Feb 8, 1759, Names wife, Elizabeth; former wife's (Barabra) children, Catherine Tamplin, Abraham Estes, Barbery Brock, Mary Booten, Samuel Estes and Philip Estes; present wife's (Elizabeth) children, Exec. Colonel William Waller and Samuel Hawes, Jr., Wits: Ann Tamplin, Eliza Tamplin, Samuel Hawes, Jr. Caroline Co., VA Court on Feb 8, 1759, Executors refused to take executorship and on the motion of Elizabeth Estes it is ordered she have Administration of the said Estate with the will annexed and acknowledge a bond for the same. Abraham was in and out of the courts many times, up until 1756. On 8 February 1859, a committee was appointed to appraise the estate of Abraham Estes, deceased. The settlement of Abraham’s estate was closed and recorded on 14 February 1765. Children: 1. Sylvester Estes, born 1684 in K & Q County Virginia; died after 1754, Virginia; 2. Samuel Estes, born 1686 in K Q, Virginia; married Rebecca __ of Virginia; moved to Spotsylvanie, Greene County, Virginia in 1728 3. Thomas Estes, born 1688 KQ, Virginia 4. Mary Anne Estes, born 1690; married Thomas Watkins, born about 1686 5. Susannah Estes, born 1692, died about 1760, married Thomas Poore IV 6. Robert Estes, born 1695, died 13 April 1775, married Mary Smith, born 1705, died before 1775 7. Abraham Estes II, born 1697, died 12 July 1759 8. Richard Estes, born 1699, died February 1744, married Mary Yancey, born 1705, died 1764 9. John Estes, born 1701, died 25 October 1771, married Elizabeth “Nutty” Pickett, born about 1705 10. Elisha Estes, born 1703, died 28 February 1782; married Mary Ann Stone, born 1702, died 18 November 1789 11. Sarah Estes, born 1705 12. Moses Estes, born 1710, died 1790; m/1 Elizabeth Webb, born about 1710; married/2 Elizabeth Jones Talbot, born about 1714, died about 1782 13. Barbara Estes, born 1712, died 1728 m/3 14. Lucy Estes, 15. Elisha Estes, 16. Benjamin Estes, 17. Mary Ann Estes 18. Edmund Estes Billie Lee (Lamb) Smith

ANSWER TO BELOW: Patricia, After having Googled where "Haverfordwest" was located (I sort of assumed it was England) I found it was in "Pembrokeshire, Wales" so I changed where I was looking. Have no idea if this is the correct John Roberts but I did find this one below, Gretchen 1871 Wales Census Name: John Roberts Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Roberts Mother's name: Louisa Roberts Gender: Male Where born: Camrose, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: Camrose County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Registration district: Haverfordwest Sub-registration district: Haverfordwest ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Household schedule number: 38 Piece: 5529 Folio: 55 Page Number: 9 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5529; Folio: 55; Page: 9; GSU roll: 850856. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1871 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004. HOUSEHOLD: Name Age Thomas Roberts 37 Louisa Roberts 36 Mary Anne Roberts 14 Ellen Roberts 11 George Roberts 9 Alice Roberts 5 John Roberts 1 ORIGINAL MESSAGE: From: "Patricia Stoltenberg" <pstoltenberg@t-online.de> Subject: [ROOTS-L] geneology To: <roots@rootsweb.com> Can some kind person find the parents of John Stephen Roberts born in Haverfordwest 10th December 1870.Died in Southampton in November 1947? Many thanks Patricia

Hi Em Its always a struggle with a name like BROWN to know that you have the right family, I have not been able to replicate your finds as I can only check the US census on familysearch and it appears you need a pay site to view the images for 1860 I did find this entry James Brown United States Census, 1860 birth: 1858 New York residence: 1860 ,​ Rensselaer,​ New York name: James Brown residence: , Rensselaer, New York ward: 6th Ward Of City Of Troy age: 2 years estimated birth year: 1858 birthplace: New York gender: Male page: 69 family number: 513 dgs number: 4236783 nara number: M653 But could not check to see who else was in the family group The above was found by searching for a James BROWN b1858 New York with parents James and Sarah residence New York Is this the same entry? have you seen the page image this refers to or are you going on a page you already have, in other words are they the same page, I found several matching the above search criteria in the 1860 It corresponds with your place of burial but of course may have no connection, one year is a long time never mind ten At present there is no submitted data on new familysearch, only from extractions, census, baptisms, burials etc etc Your lad who died in 1869, does that record state he was 11 years old? Age was as given by the informant of his death, there may be an error on one or more of several levels, the informant may have been misinformed (unlikely) the age was taken or recorded incorrectly by the official taking the information (often happens but not with one so young) if the lad is in the census age 2 it appears to me that its for a different family to yours Without more information its hard to say for sure, you need to check the 1860 page to be sure Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/07/2012 00:43, Emery St.Cyr wrote: > Hello listers, > > I am trying to figure out what family search is saying to me and could use > some clarification. > > I found on Gen Web internments for Rensselaer Co. N.Y. an entry for James > R. Brown Jr., parents Sarah A. and James R. Brown died 11 Aug 1869. Buried > in the old Maple Grove cemetery. Hoosick, N.Y. > > I came across information on Family search that said he was born abt. 1858 > and was in the 1860 census. > > I have a copy of that census and it only shows Sarah E, and James with a son > William H, at 11/12, years old at the census date of 18 July,1860. > > Sarah was 17 at this time and they both are living with her parents. This > would make her 15-16 years old when James Jr. was born > > I had previously estimated that they were married abt. 1859, but that may > have to be adjusted some. > > What am I missing, or is there an error on Family search's part? > > Thanks for all help offered. > > Em > > Roanoke, VA.

Thanks for the website, Sandy. Barb in Minnesota On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Sandra Jacobson <sandra.j@comcast.net> wrote: > Here is the link to the Ohio Gravestone Project: > http://ohiogravestones.org/ > > Story from the Columbus Dispatch: > http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/07/09/volunteers-photograph-ohio-tombstones-for-easy-online-research.html > > Sandy > ------------------------------ > >

Hello listers, I am trying to figure out what family search is saying to me and could use some clarification. I found on Gen Web internments for Rensselaer Co. N.Y. an entry for James R. Brown Jr., parents Sarah A. and James R. Brown died 11 Aug 1869. Buried in the old Maple Grove cemetery. Hoosick, N.Y. I came across information on Family search that said he was born abt. 1858 and was in the 1860 census. I have a copy of that census and it only shows Sarah E, and James with a son William H, at 11/12, years old at the census date of 18 July,1860. Sarah was 17 at this time and they both are living with her parents. This would make her 15-16 years old when James Jr. was born I had previously estimated that they were married abt. 1859, but that may have to be adjusted some. What am I missing, or is there an error on Family search's part? Thanks for all help offered. Em Roanoke, VA.

Emery First, what part of "FamilySearch" were you looking in? There are copies/indexes/extractions of records, done by FamilySearch, and posted. There are also "details" about people that were contributed by other researchers. Good and bad. I'm unclear on who was born and who died when. James R Brown, Jr. Sarah A James R Brown, Sr. Which died 11 Aug 1869? I did find this: Brown James R. Jr. 11 Aug 1869 But, nothing about the parents. And, nothing to indicate that this particular James R Brown, Jr, is related to the James R and Sarah A Brown couple. Not even any information on which cemetery he's buried in. I could not find any of this on FamilySearch, but then the website is now so huge, you have to be pretty discrete about search terms, I've found. The "about 1858" statement really says: "I don't know, but sometime around..." So, could have been 1860, or 1861, just as easily. Without knowing exactly where on FamilySearch you found this information, not much else to say. Usually there will be a source for this type of information. What does it say? Pat In Tucson -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Emery St.Cyr Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 4:44 PM To: roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROOTS-L] JAMES R BROWN Jr. Hello listers, I am trying to figure out what family search is saying to me and could use some clarification. I found on Gen Web internments for Rensselaer Co. N.Y. an entry for James R. Brown Jr., parents Sarah A. and James R. Brown died 11 Aug 1869. Buried in the old Maple Grove cemetery. Hoosick, N.Y. I came across information on Family search that said he was born abt. 1858 and was in the 1860 census. I have a copy of that census and it only shows Sarah E, and James with a son William H, at 11/12, years old at the census date of 18 July,1860. Sarah was 17 at this time and they both are living with her parents. This would make her 15-16 years old when James Jr. was born I had previously estimated that they were married abt. 1859, but that may have to be adjusted some. What am I missing, or is there an error on Family search's part? Thanks for all help offered. Em Roanoke, VA. ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is the link to the Ohio Gravestone Project: http://ohiogravestones.org/ Story from the Columbus Dispatch: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/07/09/volunteers-photograph-ohio-tombstones-for-easy-online-research.html Sandy ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:04:49 -0400 From: Leland Hubbell Subject: [ROOTS-L] Volunteers photograph Ohio tombstones for easy online research To: "ROOTS@rootsweb.com" Message-ID: <4FFCB511.2050902@embarqmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed There was a very interesting article about a group of volunteers transcribing the state?s cemeteries as part of the USGenWeb Project in the Monday, July 9, Columbus (Ohio) Dispatch. http://www.dispatch.com/ The URL is way too long to include here, but you should be able to find the article by googling "tombstone + dispatch" Volunteers have photographed their way through cemeteries in all 88 Ohio counties, according to the article, By Lori Kurtzman. To quote from the article, "Tombstones, he said, give information one can?t always find at courthouses: Birth and marriage certificates don?t always exist, and records of children who were born and died between census counts might be found only in a cemetery.

Is this he? Google says Haverfordwest is in Pembroke Eliz Name: John Roberts Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Roberts Mother's name: Louisa Roberts Gender: Male Where born: Camrose, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: Camrose County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Registration district: Haverfordwest Sub-registration district: Haverfordwest ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Household schedule number: 38 Piece: 5529 Folio: 55 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Roberts 37 Louisa Roberts 36 Mary Anne Roberts 14 Ellen Roberts 11 George Roberts 9 Alice Roberts 5 John Roberts 1 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5529; Folio: 55; Page: 9; GSU roll: 850856. Name: John Roberts Age in 1911: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Civil parish: Haverfordwest St Martin County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Street Address: 4 North Gate Haverfordwest Marital Status: Married Years Married: 18 Estimated Marriage Year: 1893 Occupation: Labourer Registration district: Haverfordwest Registration District Number: 602 Sub-registration district: Haverfordwest ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 149 Piece: 33203 Household Members: Name Age John Roberts 40 May Ann Roberts 40 Stanley Roberts 19 Annie Roberts 17 Willie Roberts 15 Albert Roberts 13 Walter Roberts 9 Myra Roberts 7 Alice Roberts 6 Fred Roberts 5 Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 33203; Schedule Number: 149. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Patricia Stoltenberg <pstoltenberg@t-online.de> wrote: > Can some kind person find the parents of John Stephen Roberts born in > Haverfordwest 10th December 1870.Died in Southampton in November 1947? > Many thanks > Patricia > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the 1871 census for Camrose, Pembrokeshire, Wales, is the household of Thomas and Louisa Roberts, with children Mary Anne, Ellen, George, Alice, and John. John is 1 year old. Regards, Drew Smith On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Patricia Stoltenberg <pstoltenberg@t-online.de> wrote: > Can some kind person find the parents of John Stephen Roberts born in > Haverfordwest 10th December 1870.Died in Southampton in November 1947?

Can some kind person find the parents of John Stephen Roberts born in Haverfordwest 10th December 1870.Died in Southampton in November 1947? Many thanks Patricia

Try googling "records of children who were born and died between census counts might be found only in a cemetery." that gets the paper, the other search string gets a card shop <G> Eliz On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Leland Hubbell <lhhubbell@embarqmail.com> wrote: > There was a very interesting article about a group of volunteers > transcribing the state’s cemeteries as part of the USGenWeb > Project in the Monday, July 9, Columbus (Ohio) Dispatch. > http://www.dispatch.com/ > The URL is way too long to include here, but you should be able > to find the article by googling "tombstone + dispatch" > > Volunteers have photographed their way through cemeteries in > all 88 Ohio counties, according to the article, By Lori Kurtzman. > To quote from the article, "Tombstones, he said, give information > one can’t always find at courthouses: Birth and marriage > certificates don’t always exist, and records of children who were > born and died between census counts might be found only in a > cemetery. > > Grave sites also can tell a different story from a piece of > paper. Plots with rows of tiny headstones speak to plagues that > devastated young families. Granite carvings show that a dead man > was a war veteran, or that he loved music, or that his family > wasn’t ready to say goodbye." > > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There was a very interesting article about a group of volunteers transcribing the state’s cemeteries as part of the USGenWeb Project in the Monday, July 9, Columbus (Ohio) Dispatch. http://www.dispatch.com/ The URL is way too long to include here, but you should be able to find the article by googling "tombstone + dispatch" Volunteers have photographed their way through cemeteries in all 88 Ohio counties, according to the article, By Lori Kurtzman. To quote from the article, "Tombstones, he said, give information one can’t always find at courthouses: Birth and marriage certificates don’t always exist, and records of children who were born and died between census counts might be found only in a cemetery. Grave sites also can tell a different story from a piece of paper. Plots with rows of tiny headstones speak to plagues that devastated young families. Granite carvings show that a dead man was a war veteran, or that he loved music, or that his family wasn’t ready to say goodbye."

Hey Jean, Thank you so much for your reply and the information . I don't know how I missed that. Salem Twp, Greene County, Arkansas is very near where my family were born and raised.  Thanks again, Brenda From: "Jcarmean@aol.com" <Jcarmean@aol.com> To: roots@rootsweb.com Cc: lajacb@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] ESTES Genealogy In a message dated 7/10/2012 12:46:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lajacb@yahoo.com writes: << Also does anyone know who Dr. S. J. Estes of Lorado, Arkansas? >>   Dr. Samuel James Estes b . Aug 1876 Miss. father b. Tenn. mother b. Miss.   1900-1910 Census Salem, Greene, Arkansas 1920-1930 Census Little Rock, Pulaski, Arkansas Jean C. Michigan

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In a message dated 7/10/2012 12:46:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lajacb@yahoo.com writes: << Also does anyone know who Dr. S. J. Estes of Lorado, Arkansas? >> Dr. Samuel James Estes b . Aug 1876 Miss. father b. Tenn. mother b. Miss. 1900-1910 Census Salem, Greene, Arkansas 1920-1930 Census Little Rock, Pulaski, Arkansas Jean C. Michigan

The name on the tombstone isn't Schisler L. Estes. It's L. Estes Schisler. This is apparently Lauris Estes Schisler. Regards, Drew Smith On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Brenda Smith <lajacb@yahoo.com> wrote: > I have been looking for some connections between Nash and Estes. An old cemetery near Stanford, > Arkansas called Cross Roads has a Schisler L. Estes born 1880 died 1961 buried there. A photo taken of tomstone > was taken by a Jamie Nash. This leads me to believe Nash and Estes to be related. > Also does anyone know who Dr. S. J. Estes of Lorado, Arkansas? > My g-grandfather Reuben Easter born 1860- says Missouri in 1880,AR Census, but our Y-DNA says were are ESTES. > Trying to find out who his parents were.

Estes easily changed to Easter. Try look for Reuben Estes in 1870 David Samuelsen On 7/9/2012 12:54 PM, Brenda Smith wrote: > Hey Joyce , > I believe I have been in contact with someone that has a Moses Estes but I will see what I have. > I have been looking for some connections between Nash and Estes. An old cemetery near Stanford, > Arkansas called Cross Roads has a Schisler L. Estes born 1880 died 1961 buried there. A photo taken of tomstone > was taken by a Jamie Nash. This leads me to believe Nash and Estes to be related. > Also does anyone know who Dr. S. J. Estes of Lorado, Arkansas? > My g-grandfather Reuben Easter born 1860- says Missouri in 1880,AR Census, but our Y-DNA says were are ESTES. > Trying to find out who his parents were. > I wish you lots of luck in gathering your information! > Thanks, Brenda

thank you to those who responded. the concensus seems to be that my hypothesis about my John Higgins moving his family to Greene Co., IL from Greene Co., TN is correct. now if I could just find proof. unfortunately I'm no-where near either, and can't find anything online. Cornelia