Here you can find a list of states that currently have online indexes for the 1940 U.S. Census at Ancestry and FamilySearch: Compact Guide to the 1940 U.S. Census http://www.germanroots.com/1940-census-records.html Look on the left side to see the states indexed (so far) by Ancestry and FamilySearch. Happy searching. Regards, Joe

Thanks Eliz. Sounds right. One other possibility, maybe she needed it to get on Medicare after her husband passed? As usual you and the Roots listers come through. Joanie ----- Original Message ----- From: Eliz Hanebury To: Joan Parker Cc: RootsL Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] WHY A SS NUMBER VERY LATE IN LIFE? A SS number has become a tax payer identification number and sometime in the 70's there was a big push on, not sure if it was a legal requirement then or not. People who had not needed one before were required to get one. I don't have the time right now to sort and fight thru the SS material <G> Eliz On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Joan Parker <joanparker@intergate.com> wrote: > Hi Genners, > > Below is a snippet of an email with my friend Patty. I've been doing some > research for her and it's fun for me too as I am using it as a learning > curve for a new genealogy software program. I think she is right in her > reasoning, but does anyone know of any other reason? > > J:Also, did you know she lived to the age of 90 passing in 1986? > > P:Yes, I believe my cousin called me when Cornelia passed and mentioned her > age. > > J:Oddly, it appears she applied for her SS number in 1977, I wonder why. Do > you have a clue? > > P:I never heard anything about Cornelia ever being anything except a > housewife so maybe she and ZR never thought she would need a SS number. > Could 1977 (or 1976) be when ZR passed and to process the estate Cornelia > needed a SS number? > > Thank you, > Joanie > Miami, FL > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Gale. Makes a great deal of sense. Glad your Mom came out with such a good increase and the lump sum. Joanie ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Gorman To: Joan Parker Cc: RootsL Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] WHY A SS NUMBER VERY LATE IN LIFE? Even if she never paid in to Social Security she would be entitled to payments from a husband even if he was dead or they had divorced years before. But I'm sure she would need a SSN to get her first check. Here's a personal example: my parents divorced in 1953 and my dad died in 1980. He had married two more women since 1953 but the last wife was a chatterbox. When she applied for his SS benefits they asked if he had been married before and she told them everything she knew. She talked fast so that didn't take long. My mother was surprised to see a substantial increase in her SS checks and several thousand dollars in a lump sum. Various rules were involved such as how many years you were married and did you have children together. Gale Gorman Houston On Jul 14, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Joan Parker wrote: Hi Genners, Below is a snippet of an email with my friend Patty. I've been doing some research for her and it's fun for me too as I am using it as a learning curve for a new genealogy software program. I think she is right in her reasoning, but does anyone know of any other reason? J:Also, did you know she lived to the age of 90 passing in 1986? P:Yes, I believe my cousin called me when Cornelia passed and mentioned her age. J:Oddly, it appears she applied for her SS number in 1977, I wonder why. Do you have a clue? P:I never heard anything about Cornelia ever being anything except a housewife so maybe she and ZR never thought she would need a SS number. Could 1977 (or 1976) be when ZR passed and to process the estate Cornelia needed a SS number? Thank you, Joanie Miami, FL

A SS number has become a tax payer identification number and sometime in the 70's there was a big push on, not sure if it was a legal requirement then or not. People who had not needed one before were required to get one. I don't have the time right now to sort and fight thru the SS material <G> Eliz On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Joan Parker <joanparker@intergate.com> wrote: > Hi Genners, > > Below is a snippet of an email with my friend Patty. I've been doing some > research for her and it's fun for me too as I am using it as a learning > curve for a new genealogy software program. I think she is right in her > reasoning, but does anyone know of any other reason? > > J:Also, did you know she lived to the age of 90 passing in 1986? > > P:Yes, I believe my cousin called me when Cornelia passed and mentioned her > age. > > J:Oddly, it appears she applied for her SS number in 1977, I wonder why. Do > you have a clue? > > P:I never heard anything about Cornelia ever being anything except a > housewife so maybe she and ZR never thought she would need a SS number. > Could 1977 (or 1976) be when ZR passed and to process the estate Cornelia > needed a SS number? > > Thank you, > Joanie > Miami, FL > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Even if she never paid in to Social Security she would be entitled to payments from a husband even if he was dead or they had divorced years before. But I'm sure she would need a SSN to get her first check. Here's a personal example: my parents divorced in 1953 and my dad died in 1980. He had married two more women since 1953 but the last wife was a chatterbox. When she applied for his SS benefits they asked if he had been married before and she told them everything she knew. She talked fast so that didn't take long. My mother was surprised to see a substantial increase in her SS checks and several thousand dollars in a lump sum. Various rules were involved such as how many years you were married and did you have children together. Gale Gorman Houston On Jul 14, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Joan Parker wrote: Hi Genners, Below is a snippet of an email with my friend Patty. I've been doing some research for her and it's fun for me too as I am using it as a learning curve for a new genealogy software program. I think she is right in her reasoning, but does anyone know of any other reason? J:Also, did you know she lived to the age of 90 passing in 1986? P:Yes, I believe my cousin called me when Cornelia passed and mentioned her age. J:Oddly, it appears she applied for her SS number in 1977, I wonder why. Do you have a clue? P:I never heard anything about Cornelia ever being anything except a housewife so maybe she and ZR never thought she would need a SS number. Could 1977 (or 1976) be when ZR passed and to process the estate Cornelia needed a SS number? Thank you, Joanie Miami, FL

Following Pat's great idea I Googled FREE SSDI and up came these below among others. First time I ever saw this when using copy/paste: You +1'd this publicly. Undo. Haven't a clue what it is. Does anyone? Anyway, SSDI seems to be alive and well and free in other DBs. Joanie Find SSDI Records | Ancestry.com www.ancestry.com/ You +1'd this publicly. Undo Search the Social Security Death Index Free on Ancestry.com. World War II Records - Family Records - Birth Records - Marriage Records Search Results 1.. Social Security Death Index SSDI Records Search - GenealogyBank www.genealogybank.com/gbnk/ssdi/Cached - Similar You +1'd this publicly. Undo The Social Security Death Index includes over 90 million death records. Enjoy free access to the up-to-date SSDI for individuals with U.S. Social Security ... 2.. Free Social Security Death Index Search - Genealogy - About.com genealogy.about.com/od/free_genealogy/a/ssdi.htmCached - Similar You +1'd this publicly. Undo Why pay to search the Social Security Death Index - SSDI - when you can use and search the SSDI for free? These online sites offer up-to-date, current versions ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Kith-n-Kin To: jbletch@aol.com ; roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Social Security Index Quien sabe. " Due to sensitivities around the information in this database, the Social Security Death Index collection is not available on our free Rootsweb service but is accessible to search on Ancestry.com. Visit the Social Security Death Index page to be directly connected to this collection" http://searches.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ssdi.html All I did here was Google ssdi rootsweb popped right up. Pat In Tucson -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jbletch@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:38 PM To: roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROOTS-L] Social Security Index If Ancestry took the Social Security index off of RootsWeb simply because the government might pass the bill pertaining to the Social security index, then why is it still on Ancestry?

Hi Genners, Below is a snippet of an email with my friend Patty. I've been doing some research for her and it's fun for me too as I am using it as a learning curve for a new genealogy software program. I think she is right in her reasoning, but does anyone know of any other reason? J:Also, did you know she lived to the age of 90 passing in 1986? P:Yes, I believe my cousin called me when Cornelia passed and mentioned her age. J:Oddly, it appears she applied for her SS number in 1977, I wonder why. Do you have a clue? P:I never heard anything about Cornelia ever being anything except a housewife so maybe she and ZR never thought she would need a SS number. Could 1977 (or 1976) be when ZR passed and to process the estate Cornelia needed a SS number? Thank you, Joanie Miami, FL

Em - Why do you suspect that the two James Brown families are identical?? Your girl is Sarah E. living with her husband and baby on her father's farm.? It is Sarah A who lost James Jr., and there is a large number of James Browns in Rensselaer County in 1860.? By the way, that baby's age is in months 11/12, so subtract 11 months from the date of the census and you should know when William was born. Betty S Message-ID: &lt;4FFE84F3.5050301@sky.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Hi Em Its always a struggle with a name like BROWN to know that you have the right family, I have not been able to replicate your finds as I can only check the US census on familysearch and it appears you need a pay site to view the images for 1860 I did find this entry James Brown United States Census, 1860 birth: 1858 New York residence: 1860 ,? Rensselaer,? New York name: James Brown residence: , Rensselaer, New York ward: 6th Ward Of City Of Troy age: 2 years estimated birth year: 1858 birthplace: New York gender: Male page: 69 family number: 513 dgs number: 4236783 nara number: M653 But could not check to see who else was in the family group The above was found by searching for a James BROWN b1858 New York with parents James and Sarah residence New York Is this the same entry? have you seen the page image this refers to or are you going on a page you already have, in other words are they the same page, I found several matching the above search criteria in the 1860 It corresponds with your place of burial but of course may have no connection, one year is a long time never mind ten At present there is no submitted data on new familysearch, only from extractions, census, baptisms, burials etc etc Your lad who died in 1869, does that record state he was 11 years old? Age was as given by the informant of his death, there may be an error on one or more of several levels, the informant may have been misinformed (unlikely) the age was taken or recorded incorrectly by the official taking the information (often happens but not with one so young) if the lad is in the census age 2 it appears to me that its for a different family to yours Without more information its hard to say for sure, you need to check the 1860 page to be sure Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/07/2012 00:43, Emery St.Cyr wrote: &gt; Hello listers, &gt; &gt; I am trying to figure out what family search is saying to me and could use &gt; some clarification. &gt; &gt; I found on Gen Web internments for Rensselaer Co. N.Y. an entry for James &gt; R. Brown Jr., parents Sarah A. and James R. Brown died 11 Aug 1869. Buried &gt; in the old Maple Grove cemetery. Hoosick, N.Y. &gt; &gt; I came across information on Family search that said he was born abt. 1858 &gt; and was in the 1860 census. &gt; &gt; I have a copy of that census and it only shows Sarah E, and James with a son &gt; William H, at 11/12, years old at the census date of 18 July,1860. &gt; &gt; Sarah was 17 at this time and they both are living with her parents. This &gt; would make her 15-16 years old when James Jr. was born &gt; &gt; I had previously estimated that they were married abt. 1859, but that may &gt; have to be adjusted some. &gt; &gt; What am I missing, or is there an error on Family search's part? &gt; &gt; Thanks for all help offered. &gt; &gt; Em &gt; &gt; Roanoke, VA.

I never said I was afraid of any bloggers. I just think that your first response came across as rude and un-helpful. How do you know that there are not users who DO know the answers on this list? Give folks time to read through the messages. There are thousands on this list and surely someone might have the answer. I didn't MISunderstand anything other than possibly you thought you were being kind in your answer. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:44 PM, W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> wrote: > Kathie and Nelda > > You MISunderstood. > > NOT one of the product managers at Family Tree Beta will answer > questions on THIS list. Go to the FamilySearch.org blog for the > answers. Only in there you can ask questions about their products and > they answer THERE on the site blog. > > Bottom line, what are you afraid of about the BLOGGERS? > > David Samuelsen > > On 7/14/2012 12:30 PM, Kathie Harrison wrote: >> I beg to differ. Your comments are most negative to newcomers > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- ~~~~~ Take care, Kathie Harrison Lancaster Co., NEGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nelancas/

I would appreciate anyone who can look up the obituary for Henry J.(Joseph) Soule Jr. that would have been listed in the Albany Times Union or the Troy Record Newspapers in NYS. He was the son of Henry Soule, Sr., and the approximate time frame would have been between 1966 and 1975. Thanks very much and please reply to carola1243@aol.com

Kathie and Nelda You MISunderstood. NOT one of the product managers at Family Tree Beta will answer questions on THIS list. Go to the FamilySearch.org blog for the answers. Only in there you can ask questions about their products and they answer THERE on the site blog. Bottom line, what are you afraid of about the BLOGGERS? David Samuelsen On 7/14/2012 12:30 PM, Kathie Harrison wrote: > I beg to differ. Your comments are most negative to newcomers

Hi David As I said previously, you assume everyone wants to go to a blog, I and dare say many others do not I would rather hear about it and discuss it here on the list, an altogether better medium of communication in my opinion Your analogy, rather like Liza's bucket does not hold water This is a list for the discussion of matters relating to genealogy From the list home page Topic: Genealogy (all topics) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/07/2012 18:24, W David Samuelsen wrote: > Questions are asked and answered promptly at the BLOG. > > Discussions, discussions, discussions and nothing happens here. > > Go there and learn how to get in. > > What you are saying, is like asking Rootsmagic how to use Ancestral > Quest or FamilyTreeMaker! > > David

The government gutted the SSDI and as of the updates issued after they took their action many of the deaths were removed. It isn't nearly as valuable a resource as it once was. Joan In a message dated 7/14/2012 5:39:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jbletch@aol.com writes: If Ancestry took the Social Security index off of RootsWeb simply because the government might pass the bill pertaining to the Social security index, then why is it still on Ancestry?

Because if it is behind a pay wall, then it can't be discovered by a search engine. Drew Smith On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 5:38 PM, <jbletch@aol.com> wrote: > If Ancestry took the Social Security index off of RootsWeb simply > because the government might pass the bill pertaining to the Social > security index, > then why is it still on Ancestry?

Hi David If its not discussed on the lists, how are people supposed to know about it at all? It is definitely a fitting subject for discussion on list IMHO You are assuming that everyone reads blogs, I for one don't as its simply to time consuming, thats why email lists are so much better as the information comes to you rather than you having to go and hunt it out Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/07/2012 17:36, W David Samuelsen wrote: > Too few know the answer outside FamilySearch blog which has all the answers! > > What you are saying, is like asking the Devil about a good product it > know nothing about! Go to the God who knows. > > David >

If Ancestry took the Social Security index off of RootsWeb simply because the government might pass the bill pertaining to the Social security index, then why is it still on Ancestry?

I like the SSDI search at Mocavo.com the best. Also a great search engine!

David, It didn't look exactly as you described but I did see the wording needed to get to the sign up page. I signed in with a username and password created several years ago and that took me to the trees but it was the same endless loop I got to earlier. Escaped out of that and don't know what else to try. I sent email to Family Search earlier today but haven't received a response yet. Gale Gorman Houston On Jul 14, 2012, at 1:12 PM, W David Samuelsen wrote: Kirsten, Sign in, go to blog, search "Family Tree Beta" This will pull up "First-Time Account Activation...." The link is there. That is why every body need to go to the FS blog for answers. Requirements are listed. Mere providing link to join will not work because you have to sign in to FamilySearch first. I want you to read through before going ahead. David S.

Thanks Barton I did not think I was misinformed but thought it best to check it out Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/07/2012 15:50, BARTON LEWIS wrote: > You are correct. There was a bill before the House this spring that I > was under the impression would be passed by summer and take the SSDI > offline. But thankfully that hasn't happened (as yet). > > Barton

Hi all I have had a none to complimentary off list mail regarding my list post regarding the SSDI That person states its nothing to do with the US Government that the SSDI has been removed, moved or altered by Ancestry among others Apparently my suggesting its due to the Government "is a totally ignorant comment" All I have seen and read on the subject including <http://pibuzz.com/2011/12/15/social-security-death-index-is-now-restricted/> suggests its pressure by US senators to try and get access to the SSDI banned Am I right or wrong? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/07/2012 09:13, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi ??? > > Blame the US Government not Ancestry >