PA - Washington Vol 1-5 (A-D surnames only) 1782-1840) 496 records PA - Westmoreland vol. 2 (690 records) 1788-1839 New additions of testators lists http://www.sampubco.com Several more lists in work right now. Keep checking on daily basis as needed. W. David Samuelsen SAMPUBCO

Hi all I was quite excited to find that the following had been added to familysearch recently Ohio, County Naturalization Records, 1800-1977 And in there I found Mahoning Naturalization abstracts 1847-1866 So looking further as I knew there was a Naturalisation for a Bryan OVINGTON in 1855 I was then disappointed to find only p51 of 91 Bryan Ovington (subject of Queen Victoria) Declaration filed July 30th 1855 <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-27757-23581-96?cc=1987615&wc=MMR6-XY8:997055037> I already had Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s about Bryan Ovington Name: Bryan Ovington Year: 1855 Place: Ohio Source Publication Code: 6842 Primary Immigrant: Ovington, Bryan Annotation: Date and place of intention or naturalization and, after page 34, date and port of arrival. Extracted from Common Pleas and Probate journals at the Mahoning County Court House and other records located in the Immigration and Naturalization office in the C Source Bibliography: POWERS, WILLIAM. Mahoning County, Ohio, Naturalization Proceedings, pre 1870 Immigrants. Canfield, OH: Mahoning County Chapter, Ohio Genealogical Society, 1987. 51p. Page: 14 So, does anyone know how to gain more information on this naturalisation please? I am hoping it records his place of birth and or parents I also have a William OVINGTON who arrived in Ohio circa 1830/31 with his inlaws to be the MEADs William died in 1847 would he have needed or desired to be naturalised in that period? -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hello list. I am researching the family of John Hickman BUCK, born in TN ca 1825. I am trying to decipher his Civil War serrvice. According to several trees I have found, he died on March 9 1862. According to one tree, this was at the Battle of Mill Springs in KY. However, I have researched a very detailed casualty list from that battle and cannot seem to find him. Some say he died in KY, some say Overton TN. I hae even seen trees that claim he died in the Civil War IN 1860, BEFORE the war even started! I have found 2 pension index cards for John BUCk that I believe belong to him. One has the actual names of the widow and minor child, and listed is Ruhamey BUCK (his wife was Ruhama) and child Julian "et al" I don't have a Julian, but I do have a daughter, JULIA ANN. This index card lists his service as:G 12 KY INF andD 2 TEN INF In researching the order of battle, I don't even see these 2 units at Mill Springs, unless he served in the 12th KY UNION SIDE. I did some more digging at Fold3 and have not been able to find a John BUCK who died in 1862. I DID find a John BUCK who died at Chicamauga in 1863, however. Both pension index cards have the widow's claim as July 5 1864. Is anyone researching these BUCKS or have more insight into Civil War research issues? Thanks for reading! Census info: 1850 Fentress Co, TN census John Buck 23 TN; District 7 #686. 1860 Fentress Co, TN census John Buck 35 TN...

Pat- They CAN but they don't receive the full amount from all of them...it isn't double dipping. The benefit is divided and computed is such a way so they only receive the highest amount. Sort of like a person who is entitled as a wife on their spouse's account (because his insurance amount is higher than hers) and also entitled to a lower benefit on her own account from her own work. The person gets one check by the amount of the check if calculated to include the higher portion from the husband on top of the benefit on her own account. Joan In a message dated 7/16/2012 11:42:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Kith-n-Kin@cox.net writes: Oh, good grief! Look here: http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/299/~/qualifying-for-div orced-spouse-benefits I really doubt that anyone can receive more than one SS benefit at a time. Do you have a reference for your statement? Or, perhaps you meant that she received SS on account of each husband in succession? Pat In Tucson

In her case, it was based on length of marriages. She said SSA minimum is 10 years of marriage in case of her 3 husbands. She got her share from each deceased but first 2 divorced husbands. She got full share from her last one. David S. On 7/16/2012 9:53 AM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Pat- > > They CAN but they don't receive the full amount from all of them...it > isn't double dipping. The benefit is divided and computed is such a way so they > only receive the highest amount. Sort of like a person who is entitled as a > wife on their spouse's account (because his insurance amount is higher > than hers) and also entitled to a lower benefit on her own account from her > own work. The person gets one check by the amount of the check if calculated > to include the higher portion from the husband on top of the benefit on her > own account. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 7/16/2012 11:42:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > Kith-n-Kin@cox.net writes: > > Oh, good grief! Look here: > > http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/299/~/qualifying-for-div > orced-spouse-benefits > > I really doubt that anyone can receive more than one SS benefit at a time. > Do you have a reference for your statement? > > Or, perhaps you meant that she received SS on account of each husband in > succession? > > Pat > In Tucson > > >

Re: Billie This rings a lot of bells! But I can't fill in the middle! Brenda ----------------------------------------------- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:44:01 -0500 From: Billie Lee Smith <blsmith@unitedwireless.com> Subject: [ROOTS-L] Moses Estes Family

Oh, good grief! Look here: http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/299/~/qualifying-for-div orced-spouse-benefits I really doubt that anyone can receive more than one SS benefit at a time. Do you have a reference for your statement? Or, perhaps you meant that she received SS on account of each husband in succession? Pat In Tucson -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 5:36 PM To: roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Social Security Number so late in life Whoever dies first, the other get. And it has to be no less than 10 years of marriage even you got divorce. My friend was married to THREE husbands, first two barely over 10 years each and last one was longest, until husband's death. She got $$ from all 3 husbands. She's comfy now. David S. On 7/15/2012 5:39 PM, ssstlr wrote: > Gale, are you saying I can get extra benefits (over my own) from my > ex's ss because we were married and had children together OR THAT he > can get extra from my ss?? If so, does he have to die first/or me die > first before receiving extra? Thanks Sue from NM ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If your ex is eligible to draw on your account this in no way affects how much you draw. Gale On Jul 15, 2012, at 11:32 PM, ssstlr wrote: > Boy am I glad Elizabeth stated the number of years to have been married. Otherwise my ex would grab all he could. I don't even know if he is elgible for ss; he worked so seldom, and I sure don't want him to find out he can get mine!! According to what you said, Gale, a person can remarry and still can get the ss or can take the ss?? Thank you guys. Sue > > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: gale_gorman@me.com > To: ssstlr@plateautel.net > Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Social Security Number so late in life > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:16:04 -0500 > >> Either and/or both of you can draw on whichever account is the > highest and no one needs to die. Of course each spouse has to meet > the age requirements. >> >> Gale Gorman >> Houston >> >> >> On Jul 15, 2012, at 6:39 PM, ssstlr wrote: >> >> Gale, are you saying I can get extra benefits (over my own) from my >> ex's ss because we were married and had children together OR THAT he >> can get extra from my ss?? If so, does he have to die first/or me > die >> first before receiving extra? Thanks Sue from NM

Brava! Joan. Well said. More than once an answer on this list most likely provided a thought about how to get to point B while stuck at point A. Further, if one doesn't ask the question one can not get an answer that may help. Or in the reverse, stop a person from spinning his or her wheels. In the same vein, my first trip to SLC did just that for me....enabled me to eliminate a few names that definitely were not my family and kept me from pursuing them. Joanie Joan Parker, Immediate Past President JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. Miami, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: JLA To: Rootsweb mailing list Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] new.FamilySearch Status? With all due respect, unless you are the list admin it's really not your place to decide or tell others what they should or should not post on any given list. It's also not your place to speak for anyone else on this list. While many may not be able to answer a question there is always the possibility that someone can and will. Isn't that the purpose of a mailing list - that someone subscribed to the list may be able to answer a question? Rarely, can I supply an answer to questions posted to this list but the replies are usually valuable information even if it doesn't directly apply to me now but it may sometime in the future. Sincerely, Joan Asche On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 2:02 AM, W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> wrote: > This is not the place to ask this question. Many of us do not know what > is going on. > > Please go to familysearch.org for answers about that. > > https://familysearch.org/blog/?s=Family+Tree > > David S. > > On 7/13/2012 11:13 PM, Kirsten Bowman wrote: >> I’ve read that at the LDS site the family trees now at new.FamilySearch are going to be moved to something called Family Tree with a number of improvements added. Do I understand this properly? If so, does anyone know more about it? (When, and how to access) >> >> Kirsten ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>Boy am I glad Elizabeth stated the number of years to have been married. Otherwise my ex would grab all he could. I don't even know if he is elgible for ss; he worked so seldom, and I sure don't want him to find out he can get mine!! According to what you said, Gale, a person can remarry and still can get the ss or can take the ss?? Thank you guys. Sue > > >---- Original Message ---- >From: gale_gorman@me.com >To: ssstlr@plateautel.net >Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Social Security Number so late in life >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:16:04 -0500 > >>Either and/or both of you can draw on whichever account is the >highest and no one needs to die. Of course each spouse has to meet >the age requirements. >> >>Gale Gorman >>Houston >> >> >>On Jul 15, 2012, at 6:39 PM, ssstlr wrote: >> >>Gale, are you saying I can get extra benefits (over my own) from my >>ex's ss because we were married and had children together OR THAT he >>can get extra from my ss?? If so, does he have to die first/or me >die >>first before receiving extra? Thanks Sue from NM >> >>

Betty, Because on the Rensselaer Co. Cemetery database connects James Jr. With Sarah A. and James (no initial). The E for Sarah on the 1860 census I took as an error because the other family members match with mine. Her parents "Crego" are listed in the same 1860 census just above them.The chance of two James R Brown Jr's with the same parents I thought was a far shot. Thanks for asking though. Em -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bstamail@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:49 PM To: roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] James R. Brown Em - Why do you suspect that the two James Brown families are identical?? Your girl is Sarah E. living with her husband and baby on her father's farm.? It is Sarah A who lost James Jr., and there is a large number of James Browns in Rensselaer County in 1860.? By the way, that baby's age is in months 11/12, so subtract 11 months from the date of the census and you should know when William was born. Betty S Message-ID: &lt;4FFE84F3.5050301@sky.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Hi Em Its always a struggle with a name like BROWN to know that you have the right family, I have not been able to replicate your finds as I can only check the US census on familysearch and it appears you need a pay site to view the images for 1860 I did find this entry James Brown United States Census, 1860 birth: 1858 New York residence: 1860 ,? Rensselaer,? New York name: James Brown residence: , Rensselaer, New York ward: 6th Ward Of City Of Troy age: 2 years estimated birth year: 1858 birthplace: New York gender: Male page: 69 family number: 513 dgs number: 4236783 nara number: M653 But could not check to see who else was in the family group The above was found by searching for a James BROWN b1858 New York with parents James and Sarah residence New York Is this the same entry? have you seen the page image this refers to or are you going on a page you already have, in other words are they the same page, I found several matching the above search criteria in the 1860 It corresponds with your place of burial but of course may have no connection, one year is a long time never mind ten At present there is no submitted data on new familysearch, only from extractions, census, baptisms, burials etc etc Your lad who died in 1869, does that record state he was 11 years old? Age was as given by the informant of his death, there may be an error on one or more of several levels, the informant may have been misinformed (unlikely) the age was taken or recorded incorrectly by the official taking the information (often happens but not with one so young) if the lad is in the census age 2 it appears to me that its for a different family to yours Without more information its hard to say for sure, you need to check the 1860 page to be sure Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/07/2012 00:43, Emery St.Cyr wrote: &gt; Hello listers, &gt; &gt; I am trying to figure out what family search is saying to me and could use &gt; some clarification. &gt; &gt; I found on Gen Web internments for Rensselaer Co. N.Y. an entry for James &gt; R. Brown Jr., parents Sarah A. and James R. Brown died 11 Aug 1869. Buried &gt; in the old Maple Grove cemetery. Hoosick, N.Y. &gt; &gt; I came across information on Family search that said he was born abt. 1858 &gt; and was in the 1860 census. &gt; &gt; I have a copy of that census and it only shows Sarah E, and James with a son &gt; William H, at 11/12, years old at the census date of 18 July,1860. &gt; &gt; Sarah was 17 at this time and they both are living with her parents. This &gt; would make her 15-16 years old when James Jr. was born &gt; &gt; I had previously estimated that they were married abt. 1859, but that may &gt; have to be adjusted some. &gt; &gt; What am I missing, or is there an error on Family search's part? &gt; &gt; Thanks for all help offered. &gt; &gt; Em &gt; &gt; Roanoke, VA. ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Either and/or both of you can draw on whichever account is the highest and no one needs to die. Of course each spouse has to meet the age requirements. Gale Gorman Houston On Jul 15, 2012, at 6:39 PM, ssstlr wrote: Gale, are you saying I can get extra benefits (over my own) from my ex's ss because we were married and had children together OR THAT he can get extra from my ss?? If so, does he have to die first/or me die first before receiving extra? Thanks Sue from NM

Whoever dies first, the other get. And it has to be no less than 10 years of marriage even you got divorce. My friend was married to THREE husbands, first two barely over 10 years each and last one was longest, until husband's death. She got $$ from all 3 husbands. She's comfy now. David S. On 7/15/2012 5:39 PM, ssstlr wrote: > Gale, are you saying I can get extra benefits (over my own) from my > ex's ss because we were married and had children together OR THAT he > can get extra from my ss?? If so, does he have to die first/or me die > first before receiving extra? Thanks Sue from NM

Gale, are you saying I can get extra benefits (over my own) from my ex's ss because we were married and had children together OR THAT he can get extra from my ss?? If so, does he have to die first/or me die first before receiving extra? Thanks Sue from NM

The determining factor isn't gender but how much money. The spouse can draw on whichever amount is larger. My ex-wife drew benefits based on my earnings and it had no effect on my SS income. If she had earned more than I then I would have filed on her benefits. Gale Gorman Houston On Jul 15, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Ralph Scheffler wrote: If Social Security makes payments to previous wives then it must also be a benefit to previously married husbands. Realizing that women since the 1970’s began working more full time and for a longer period of time, a divorced man is entitled to his ex-wives social security funding (even if he was working full time) but out lived them all. Ralph www.carvingsbyralph.com

Looks to me like someone gave something a "+1" in a public forum. The "+1" simply means "me too" or "I agree." Sort of meaningless since we don't know what this person was agreeing with. Gale Gorman Houston On Jul 14, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Joan Parker wrote: Following Pat's great idea I Googled FREE SSDI and up came these below among others. First time I ever saw this when using copy/paste: You +1'd this publicly. Undo. Haven't a clue what it is. Does anyone? Anyway, SSDI seems to be alive and well and free in other DBs. Joanie Find SSDI Records | Ancestry.com www.ancestry.com/ You +1'd this publicly. Undo Search the Social Security Death Index Free on Ancestry.com. World War II Records - Family Records - Birth Records - Marriage Records Search Results 1.. Social Security Death Index SSDI Records Search - GenealogyBank www.genealogybank.com/gbnk/ssdi/Cached - Similar You +1'd this publicly. Undo The Social Security Death Index includes over 90 million death records. Enjoy free access to the up-to-date SSDI for individuals with U.S. Social Security ... 2.. Free Social Security Death Index Search - Genealogy - About.com genealogy.about.com/od/free_genealogy/a/ssdi.htmCached - Similar You +1'd this publicly. Undo Why pay to search the Social Security Death Index - SSDI - when you can use and search the SSDI for free? These online sites offer up-to-date, current versions ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Kith-n-Kin To: jbletch@aol.com ; roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Social Security Index Quien sabe. " Due to sensitivities around the information in this database, the Social Security Death Index collection is not available on our free Rootsweb service but is accessible to search on Ancestry.com. Visit the Social Security Death Index page to be directly connected to this collection" http://searches.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ssdi.html All I did here was Google ssdi rootsweb popped right up. Pat In Tucson

I would appreciate anyone who can assist me in looking up the Obituary for Henry Soule, Jr. - middle name Joseph. It woiuld have been in either one or both of these New York State newspapers - The Troy Record & Albany Times Union. His father was Henry Soule, Sr. The approximate time frame would have been between 1969 and 1978. Thanks for any help and please send reply to carola1243@aol.com

With all due respect, unless you are the list admin it's really not your place to decide or tell others what they should or should not post on any given list. It's also not your place to speak for anyone else on this list. While many may not be able to answer a question there is always the possibility that someone can and will. Isn't that the purpose of a mailing list - that someone subscribed to the list may be able to answer a question? Rarely, can I supply an answer to questions posted to this list but the replies are usually valuable information even if it doesn't directly apply to me now but it may sometime in the future. Sincerely, Joan Asche On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 2:02 AM, W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> wrote: > This is not the place to ask this question. Many of us do not know what > is going on. > > Please go to familysearch.org for answers about that. > > https://familysearch.org/blog/?s=Family+Tree > > David S. > > On 7/13/2012 11:13 PM, Kirsten Bowman wrote: >> I’ve read that at the LDS site the family trees now at new.FamilySearch are going to be moved to something called Family Tree with a number of improvements added. Do I understand this properly? If so, does anyone know more about it? (When, and how to access) >> >> Kirsten

If Social Security makes payments to previous wives then it must also be a benefit to previously married husbands. Realizing that women since the 1970’s began working more full time and for a longer period of time, a divorced man is entitled to his ex-wives social security funding (even if he was working full time) but out lived them all. Ralph www.carvingsbyralph.com

Yes, she bought a big ring with the lump sum payment and bragged about "look at what your father bought me." I don't even pretend to know all the rules of the SSA but a lot of people aren't aware of what's available. Gale On Jul 14, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Joan Parker wrote: Thanks Gale. Makes a great deal of sense. Glad your Mom came out with such a good increase and the lump sum. Joanie ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Gorman To: Joan Parker Cc: RootsL Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] WHY A SS NUMBER VERY LATE IN LIFE? Even if she never paid in to Social Security she would be entitled to payments from a husband even if he was dead or they had divorced years before. But I'm sure she would need a SSN to get her first check. Here's a personal example: my parents divorced in 1953 and my dad died in 1980. He had married two more women since 1953 but the last wife was a chatterbox. When she applied for his SS benefits they asked if he had been married before and she told them everything she knew. She talked fast so that didn't take long. My mother was surprised to see a substantial increase in her SS checks and several thousand dollars in a lump sum. Various rules were involved such as how many years you were married and did you have children together. Gale Gorman Houston On Jul 14, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Joan Parker wrote: Hi Genners, Below is a snippet of an email with my friend Patty. I've been doing some research for her and it's fun for me too as I am using it as a learning curve for a new genealogy software program. I think she is right in her reasoning, but does anyone know of any other reason? J:Also, did you know she lived to the age of 90 passing in 1986? P:Yes, I believe my cousin called me when Cornelia passed and mentioned her age. J:Oddly, it appears she applied for her SS number in 1977, I wonder why. Do you have a clue? P:I never heard anything about Cornelia ever being anything except a housewife so maybe she and ZR never thought she would need a SS number. Could 1977 (or 1976) be when ZR passed and to process the estate Cornelia needed a SS number? Thank you, Joanie Miami, FL