Through a search via Stephen Morse' site I have found a record of a death in Kings County New York which might resolve an old question for me. I know the certificate number, 20509, and the name is Sarah Miller, not a very unique name. The 1938 death and age of 70 works for my Sarah who was born in 1867. Could someone tell me what additional identifying information might be found on a 1938 vintage death certificate and what I must do to obtain a copy. Thanks............Jim

Hi Joe, Looks like the mother's name is Aniela, and the children are Frank, Stanislava, and Jasmina. I usually see the name Jasmina in German lines. And yes, women named Stanislawa can go by the name of Stella. The family was traveling to meet Aniela's husband at Box 241, Ashley, PA. Have you used www.stephenmorse.org to check for records? If you're not familiar with it, take time to read the overview and use the "Gold Form" search. While you can enter a lot of detail in your search, I've found the simpler, the better. I've had great results using the search tools on this site. Good luck! Jane -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 8:05 PM To: BB- NePa Ancestors; BB-ROOTS; BB- pa-luzerne-nepa; BB-POLAND-ROOTS Subject: [PA-LUZERNE-NEPA] Stella Zielinski Immigration I wonder if this could be my Stella. Line 12. Can anyone read the last child or the parent's name? How about the destination or the relative they are meeting? http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?pID=102669040331 Thoughts anyone? Joe ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if this could be my Stella. Line 12. Can anyone read the last child or the parent's name? How about the destination or the relative they are meeting? http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?pID=102669040331 Thoughts anyone? Joe

Not necessarily since this Stanislawa was traveling with her mother (it looks like), Aniela Zielinska. But, you never know. It's possible "Stella's" mother's name is incorrect on the death certificate. Debbie Joe wrote: > I wonder if this could be my Stella. Line 12. Can anyone read the last child > or the parent's name? How about the destination or the relative they are meeting? > > http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?pID=102669040331 > > Thoughts anyone? > > Joe >

I have what appears to be a table of contents for many letters written by members of the ADLINGTON OR APLINGTON family (early members lived in England, Massachusetts, New York and Illinois.) List dated 1954. I'm wondering where the letters might be. Thanks for any information. Dolly Ziegler <[email protected]> --

MARRIAGE RECORDS: During the colonial period, the law required a true and perfect parish register. After 1780, ministers were required to report all marriages to the county court clerk whose duty it was to see that the returns were entered in a book kept for that purpose. In 1783 the law recognized that the scarcity of ministers in the western counties had produced a situation whereby not only dissenting ministers, but some magistrates and others had been induced to solemnize marriages. The amended act of 1784 removed the four ministers per denomination per county restriction for marriages and permitted any ordained minister to perform marriages. Also Quakers and Mennonites were permitted to marry under their own customs, but the clerk of the meeting was to make a return to the county clerk. The county record books which have survived are sometimes titled "Marriage Records" or " Marriage Registers," although they might contain only the entry of the marriage bond and not the actual return. HANDFAST: H/F after a person's name on birth and marriage records means "Handfast". Basically it is a sign of the confirmation of a type of "uncanonical, private or even probationary form of marriage". Handfasting was for announcing a union between a man and woman who wished to live together as husband and wife before receiving the blessing of the church. The couple would stand before a group of their peers, hold their clasped hands above their heads and state their intentions. The agreement was good for a year and a day or until the preacher came to perform the rites of the church. If at the end of the specified time, each wished to go his own way, they could do so with no ties. No matter what happened, any child born of a Handfast would inherit. SYMBOLIC CROSSROADS WEDDING: A crossroads wedding was one in which the marriage was held at a crossroads after the sun had set with the bride wearing only her shift. This was done to show she had no debts to bring to the marriage. Shirley Hornbeck http://www.genealogical.com/products/This%20and%20That%20Genealogy%20Tips/9377.html http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hornbeck/index.htm

You can find a list of the latest additions to the Online Military Records and Indexes website here: http://genrootsblog.blogspot.com/2014/07/online-military-records-and-indexes.html Or: http://goo.gl/2lc74C Feel free to share this message with any other genealogy newsgroups or Facebook genealogy groups. Happy searching. Regards, Joe -- Online Military Indexes and Records (USA) http://www.militaryindexes.com/

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Has anyone on the list researched John Adlam d. 1745 in Wiltshire England? Please contact me. Jim Cogswell

USING VITAL RECORDS: Birth certificates and death certificates and other vital records contain valuable information, but they are sometimes expensive to obtain. Before you decide not to order them, keep in mind that they sometimes contain additional information that corroborates or conflicts with your present information, such as surname spellings or different dates. Each state maintains vital records and decides where to keep them. Death certificates may be in the possession of the county but the state may also have a copy. Sometimes counties transfer their records elsewhere, possibly to the state archives. Therefore you have to know where to look for the records. Ancestry's Redbook as well as Everton's Handybook for Genealogists list every state and where to find records as well as when the county was formed and the years for which records are available. You may also find that information on the Web if you do some searching for the state's web page. A start at the county in which the event took place should be your first step. A call or a letter to the proper office will usually tell you whether they have the type of record you are looking for and the cost to copy it for you. If they don't have it, they may be able to tell you where to obtain it. Cost could vary depending on whether you need a certified copy or a non-certified copy. Generally, for your research, a non-certified copy will suffice but for legal matters, you may need a certified copy. They both contain the same information. Keep in mind, that a great deal of records were lost during the Civil War due to fire. The Superintendent of Documents, Government Printing Office, Washington, DC 20402 has an inexpensive and helpful booklet "Where to Write for Vital Records" . When you request your records, be sure to provide complete information. Give the full name, and any other names that the record might be under. If you are not sure of the date, give the closest approximation you can provide - or a range of years. Delayed birth certificates are common if the person was born prior to the date of keeping records. They were sometimes obtained by the individual so they could obtain other forms of identification such as a passport or to obtain Social Security. Sometimes recent birth records may not be available to you unless you can prove a relationship to the deceased person. Some states will not provide a birth record at all unless you prove the relationship. If it is your parent, a copy of your own birth record will help. Consider using census records to prove your relationship - or a death certificate if you have one - or an obit. The reasons for these rules, which vary from state to state, is that birth certificates can be used to obtain a new identity by obtaining driver's licenses, passports, etc. Keep in mind when obtaining death certificates, they are only as good as the person's knowledge who gives the information. A child or a sibling would probably be more aware of the facts than a neighbor or a friend who may not know all the facts. Marriage licenses are sometimes the only proof of a marriage - but keep in mind, the marriage may or may not have taken place. Sometimes you can find a church record to confirm that the marriage occurred. More and more records are being transcribed, published in books and/or placed on the web but remember, in transcribing them - they are subject to errors on the part of the transcriber. More Tips on my This and That page, see below URL. Shirley Hornbeck <http://www.genealogical.com/products/This%20and%20That%20Genealogy%20Tips/9377.html> <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck> Shirley Hornbeck http://www.genealogical.com/products/This%20and%20That%20Genealogy%20Tips/9377.html http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hornbeck/index.htm

The first thing I'd do is look for these people under various spellings of the last name, such as Knowldon, knoldton, nowldon, Nowldton, Nowden and Knowden. As you are aware, people didn't just spell their names a single way and often the name spellings changed over time. I'd also look up the history of the boundary changes of virginia and connecticut. See if you can't find Animap at the local family history center nearest you. It could be that he was living in the same area without moving at all..just that the boundaries changes. You've probably already done this, but this is where I'd start looking. Joyce . > > > End of ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 161 > *************************************

Greetings. I'm baffled in trying to find proof for the birth and parents of SETH KNOWLTON. According to what I've "found" -- Seth was born 8/6/1784 in Bridgewater, Windsor Co, VT, and died 9/24/1857 in Malone, Franklin Co, NY. Seth married Jerusha Lewis on 3/26/1818 in Bridgewater, Windsor Co., VT. I know the connections from there. I'm trying to find proof of his parents -- who are supposedly Stephen/Steven Knowlton and Ann Fletcher. What's even more confusing, is that I keep seeing different references to Ashford, Windham Co, CT -- AND -- Ashford, Windham Co, VT. Can anyone help??? I need documentation of the link between Seth and his parents. (BTW, the parents are buried in Mendall Cemetery, Bridgewater, VT) Barbara [email protected]

I subscribed for a while but found it very hard to find things they say are there. The most useful part for me was the Pennsylvania Archives but, as someone else said, downloading one page at a time was very time consuming. Now I can access through my library so need not pay for a subscription, I still don't use it much. Jerry Hale Deltona, FL On Jun 26, 2014 9:37 PM, "Eliz Hanebury" <[email protected]> wrote: > I love fold3 mostly I love it for the City Directories which I have > mined deeply <G> and since Ancestrys new search, much easier to deal > with. > > I have had wonderful luck with the Civil War records too. > > Basically if you need what they have <G> you will love it. > Eliz > Not Today and Not without a Fight > (Anon) > > For all that has been, thanks. > For all that will be, yes. > (Dag Hammarskjold) > > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Mike Harmer <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I am thinking about subscribing to Fold 3 , and would value others > opinion > > and experience with this product. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike > > > > [email protected] > > > > ===== > > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > [email protected] and ask for the digest... > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > [email protected] and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you, Karen for all the work you do. Though "we" may not express it often enough, it and you are much appreciated!

Thankfully Yes ! Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/06/2014 17:32, Karen Isaacson Leverich wrote: > Ancestry and pretty much every site it hosted was taken down last week by a Denial of Service attack. I have no details. But in order to protect against such a thing happening in the future, all the sites stayed down while the architecture was reworked. Again, I have no details. > > Maybe the mailing lists are back up. If you're reading this, yes! If not, not so much... > > Karen

I love fold3 mostly I love it for the City Directories which I have mined deeply <G> and since Ancestrys new search, much easier to deal with. I have had wonderful luck with the Civil War records too. Basically if you need what they have <G> you will love it. Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Mike Harmer <[email protected]> wrote: > I am thinking about subscribing to Fold 3 , and would value others opinion > and experience with this product. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > [email protected] > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to [email protected] and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, I have found fold3 invaluable for continued research. They do have a monthly subscription, if things haven't changed. You can sub for a month or however you want to get the records you need. They have a large portion of the military records and adding more. They have quite a few non-military and Indian records. I'm not crazy about having to download every page as opposed to a complete record but it beats the heck out of having to order from places like NARA. If you have a sub to Ancestry you should be getting fold3 for half price for the yearly. Joyce Gaston Reece

I too was disappointed with what they actually had as opposed to what they said they had, i.e. Civil War pensions. I checked and checked using records I had purchased from National Archives. Fold 3 had none of them. When questioned they said they hoped to get them soon........... Barb in Iowa On 6/26/2014 7:42 PM, GALE GORMAN wrote: > I didn't find anything useful and dropped it along with Genealogy Bank. In my opinion some of these sites have gone past the saturation point. If their fee was cheap enough, like $19.95 annually, I would keep them for an occasional look. Beware if they offer a real bargain for a while; when that expires they will surprise you with an automatic debit on your credit card. > > Gale Gorman > Houston > > > On Jun 25, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Mike Harmer <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am thinking about subscribing to Fold 3 , and would value others opinion > and experience with this product. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > [email protected] > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to [email protected] and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I didn't find anything useful and dropped it along with Genealogy Bank. In my opinion some of these sites have gone past the saturation point. If their fee was cheap enough, like $19.95 annually, I would keep them for an occasional look. Beware if they offer a real bargain for a while; when that expires they will surprise you with an automatic debit on your credit card. Gale Gorman Houston On Jun 25, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Mike Harmer <[email protected]> wrote: I am thinking about subscribing to Fold 3 , and would value others opinion and experience with this product. Thanks, Mike [email protected]

Sharon, I'll check that out. Thanks Em -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sharon Pilkington Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 5:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] how to reach owner of family tree found on Ancestory There should be a contact email on the homepage of the tree owner's page. Sharon On Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:58:11 PM, Emery St Cyr <[email protected]> wrote: Hello searchers. I found a family tree for one of my lines on  Ancestry. This is the first time I have used this feature and I want to know if there is any way to make contact with the owner of this tree so we can share information? Thank you for any help. Em ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to [email protected] and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to [email protected] and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message