If you mean autosomal DNA testing YES...by all means. The more close relatives tested the better you are able to phase the data to determine whether matches are maternal or paternal ... much easier to piece together your genetic tree that way. Siblings only inherit 50% from mom and 50% from dad and they may get very different halves --- which in turn helps to build the WHOLE picture. Also, if there are any family secrets such as non-paternity events or unknown adoptions they will come out via having the entire family DNA tested. Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Wilhite via <roots@rootsweb.com> To: roots <roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2016 7:50 pm Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] DNA Testing Is there any reason for siblings/parents/grandparents of a previously tested person to get a DNA test? ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This and That Old Irish Naming Patterns SONS: 1st son was named after the Father's Father 2nd son was named after the Mother's Mather 3rd son was named after the Mother 4th son was named after the Father's eldest brother 5th son was named after the Mother's eldest brother. DAUGHTERS: 1st daughter was named after the Mother's Mother 2nd daughter was named after the Father's Mother 3rd daughter was named after the Mother 4th daughter was named after the Mother's eldest sister 5th daughter was named after the Father's eldest sister Irish Superstition: This convention was modified when the resulting name would mean 3 people in one family would have the same name. The superstition was that in the case of 3 people having the same name, one would die. Also, when one of the people having the name died, they would reuse the name on the next born child. Shirley Hornbeck http://www.genealogical.com/products/This%20and%20That%20Genealogy%20Tips/9377.html http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hornbeck/index.htm <http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ehornbeck/index.htm>

This and That St. Patrick's Day #4 In America, Saint Patrick's Day is a basically a time to wear green and party. The first American celebration of Saint Patrick's Day was in Boston,Massachusetts, in 1737. As the saying goes, on this day "everybody is Irish!" Over 100 U.S. cities now hold Saint Patrick's Day parades, the largest held in New York City. > > Green is associated with Saint Patrick's Day because it is the color of > spring, Ireland, and the shamrock. Leprechauns are also associated with > this holiday, although I'm not sure why. Leprechauns of legend are > actually > mean little creatures, with the exception of the Lucky Charms guy. They > were probably added later on because capitalists needed something cute to > put on greeting cards. > > What's good luck on Saint Patrick's Day?: > > Finding a four-leaf clover (that's double the good luck it usually is). > Wearing green. > (School children have started a little tradition of their own -- they > pinch > classmates who don't wear green on this holiday). > Kissing the blarney stone. > An Irish blessing to take with you today: > > May your blessings outnumber the shamrocks that grow > And may trouble avoid you wherever you go. Shirley Hornbeck <http://www.genealogical.com/products/This%20and%20That%20Genealogy%20Tips/9377.html> <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Ehornbeck>>

It is a shame she can't generate the spit for the AncestryDNA spit test (23andme is also spit) so FTDNA familyfinder autosomal will be the way to go. That is a cheek swab test. Be sure to upload to GEDMatch when you get the results so that you will be able to compare with others who tested with the companies that have larger databases. Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Karen Isaacson Leverich via <roots@rootsweb.com> To: roots <roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 2:01 pm Subject: [ROOTS-L] DNA test recommendations OK, yes! My 97 year old aunt is willing to have her DNA tested. I don't want to pester her about this more than once, so what would be the single best test to order? It would need to be a cheek swab, no way would she be able to fill even a small vessel with spit. Autosomal? What do we need to do so I can see the results? (I talked a cousin into doing this once, and he did, but I have to take his word for it about what he found out, LOL!) Any other advice? Karen karen@mtpinos.com ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's great!  Ancestry uses a spit test and FTDNA a cheek swab test.  I don't know about 23andme.  I would purchase a kit from FTDNA and also upload it to gedmatch.  It's somewhat unfortunate she can't do the spit test as lately I've been testing at Ancestry since you can transfer your results to FTDNA (but not the other way around) and have the kit at gedmatch too.  My 90+ year old testers have been the best bang for my buck in testing so far.  I love them for doing this.  Good luck!      On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 01:56 PM, Karen Isaacson Leverich via wrote:    > OK, yes! My 97 year old aunt is willing to have her DNA tested. > > I don't want to pester her about this more than once, so what would be > the single best test to order? It would need to be a cheek swab, no > way would she be able to fill even a small vessel with spit. > Autosomal? What do we need to do so I can see the results? (I talked a > cousin into doing this once, and he did, but I have to take his word > for it about what he found out, LOL!) > > Any other advice? > > Karen > karen@mtpinos.com > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This and That St. Patrick's Day #3 THE LEPRECHAUN The Leprechaun is an Irish fairy. He looks like a small, old man (about 2 feet tall), often dressed like a shoemaker, with a cocked hat and a leather apron. According to legend, leprechauns are aloof and unfriendly, live alone, and pass the time making shoes. They also possess a hidden pot of gold. Treasure hunters can often track down a leprechaun by the sound of his shoemaker's hammer. If caught, he can be forced (with the threat of bodily violence) to reveal the whereabouts of his treasure, but the captor must keep their eyes on him every second. If the captor's eyes leave the leprechaun (and he often tricks them into looking away), he vanishes and all hopes of finding the treasure are lost. Near a misty stream in Ireland in the hollow of a tree Live mystical, magical leprechauns who are clever as can be With their pointed ears, and turned up toes and little coats of green The leprechauns busily make their shoes and try hard not to be seen. Only those who really believe have seen these little elves And if we are all believers We can surely see for ourselves. (Irish Blessing) There's a dear little plant that grows in our isle,'Twas St. Patrick himself, sure, that sets it; And the sun of his labor with pleasure did smile, And with dew from his eye often wet it. It grows through the bog, through the brake, through the mireland, And they call it the dear little Shamrock of Ireland. For each petal on the shamrock This brings a wish your way- Good health, good luck, and happiness For today and every day. A Wee Bit O' Fun - Saint Patrick's Day (March 17th), is an Irish holiday honoring Saint Patrick, the missionary credited with converting the Irish to Christianity (in the A.D. 400's). Saint Patrick was not actually Irish. Historical sources report that he was born around 373 A.D. in either Scotland (near the town of Dumbarton) or in Roman Britain (the Romans left Britain in 410 A.D.). His real name is believed to be Maewyn Succat (he took on Patrick, or Patricus, after he became a priest). He was kidnapped at the age of 16 by pirates and sold into slavery in Ireland (I am not making this up). During his 6-year captivity (he worked as a shepherd), he began to have religious visions, and found strength in his faith. He finally escaped (after voices in one of his visions told him where he could find a getaway ship) and went to France, where he became a priest (and later a bishop). When he was about 60 years old, St. Patrick travelled to Ireland to spread the Christian word. It's said that Patrick had an unusually winning personality, and that helped him win converts. He used the shamrock, which resembles a three-leafed clover, as a metaphor to explain the concept of the Trinity (father, son, holy spirit). Legend has it that Saint Patrick drove all the snakes out of Ireland -- that they all went into the sea and drowned. Poor snakes. I don't know why he would want to do this, except that the snake was a revered pagan symbol, and perhaps this was a figurative tale alluding to the fact that he drove paganism out of Ireland. Shirley Hornbeck THIS & THAT GENEALOGY TIPS: <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck> <http://www.genealogical.com/item_detail.asp?afid=1132&ID=9377>

OK, yes! My 97 year old aunt is willing to have her DNA tested. I don't want to pester her about this more than once, so what would be the single best test to order? It would need to be a cheek swab, no way would she be able to fill even a small vessel with spit. Autosomal? What do we need to do so I can see the results? (I talked a cousin into doing this once, and he did, but I have to take his word for it about what he found out, LOL!) Any other advice? Karen karen@mtpinos.com

This and That St. Patrick's Day #2 Customs and Traditions The person who was to become St. Patrick, the patron saint of Ireland, was born in Wales about AD 385. His given name was Maewyn, and he almost didn't get the job of bishop of Ireland because he lacked the required scholarship. Far from being a saint, until he was 16, he considered himself a pagan. At that age, he was sold into slavery by a group of Irish marauders that raided his village. During his captivity, he became closer to God. He escaped from slavery after six years and went to Gaul where he studied in the monastery under St. Germain, bishop of Auxerre for a period of twelve years. During his training he became aware that his calling was to convert the pagans to Christianity. His wishes were to return to Ireland, to convert the pagans that had overrun the country. But his superiors instead appointed St. Palladius. But two years later, Palladius transferred to Scotland. Patrick, having adopted that Christian name earlier, was then appointed as second bishop to Ireland. Patrick was quite successful at winning converts. And this fact upset the Celtic Druids. Patrick was arrested several times, but escaped each time. He traveled throughout Ireland, establishing monasteries across the country. He also set up schools and churches which would aid him in his conversion of the Irish country to Christianity. His mission in Ireland lasted for thirty years. After that time, Patrick retired to County Down. He died on March 17 in AD 461. That day has been commemorated as St. Patrick's Day ever since. Much Irish folklore surrounds St. Patrick's Day. Not much of it is actually substantiated. Some of this lore includes the belief that Patrick raised people from the dead. He also is said to have given a sermon from a hilltop that drove all the snakes from Ireland. Though originally a Catholic holy day, St. Patrick's Day has evolved into more of a secular holiday. One traditional icon of the day is the shamrock. And this stems from a more bona fide Irish tale that tells how Patrick used the three-leafed shamrock to explain the Trinity. He used it in his sermons to represent how the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit could all exist as separate elements of the same entity. His followers adopted the custom of wearing a shamrock on his feast day. The St. Patrick's Day custom came to America in 1737. That was the first year St. Patrick's Day was publicly celebrated in this country, in Boston. Shirley Hornbeck <http://www.genealogical.com/products/This%20and%20That%20Genealogy%20Tips/9377.html> <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Ehornbeck>>

Hi List I am doing research into a NELSON FULLUM who served in the War of 1812, I have just been sent a couple of entries from Pay rolls it seems from the Washington Company Militia. Nelson served July 30-August 8, year? and again on the muster rolls Oct 20th-November 18 (spelt FULLOM). His wife Magdalene FULLEM/FULLER was receiving a pension which she mentions in her will. I would like to know how I could find out more on this and would there be any more records of Nelson’s involvement in the War of 1812. Nelson died in 1829 in Washington Co. PA. Were the records in a different place because he was coloured? I cannot find any 1812 Pension files! Hope someone can help. Regards Dianna

Have you tried the Pennsylvania Portal? I am having a bit of trouble getting into it but... Okay this is the new link: http://www.phmc.pa.gov/Archives/Research-Online/Pages/War-of-1812-Records.aspx#.VsXUafIrIhc I did not find your man at fold3 Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:33 PM, dianna charles via <roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi List > I am doing research into a NELSON FULLUM who served in the War of 1812, I have just been sent a couple of entries from Pay rolls it seems from the Washington Company Militia. Nelson served July 30-August 8, year? and again on the muster rolls Oct 20th-November 18 (spelt FULLOM). > > His wife Magdalene FULLEM/FULLER was receiving a pension which she mentions in her will. I would like to know how I could find out more on this and would there be any more records of Nelson’s involvement in the War of 1812. Nelson died in 1829 in Washington Co. PA. Were the records in a different place because he was coloured? I cannot find any 1812 Pension files! Hope someone can help. Regards Dianna > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I would appreciate hearing from any person who may have access to a copy the 1937 & 1938 Fang HS Yearbook from Central Catholic HS in San Antonio, TX. The High School, local historical society, and the San Antonio, TX Library System also do not have copies for those years. Perhaps someone on the ROOTS mailing list may have one tucked away with family genealogy information etc.. I do not want the yearbook itself, but just need to confirm graduation year and obtain a copy of his photo/page with any information etc. Please reply to _carola1243@aol.com_ (mailto:carola1243@aol.com) with any information or suggestions.

FROM: Suzanne Winsor Freeman Grant Committee, Denise May Levenick, Chair swfgrant@gmail.com Lise Harding, SCGS Jamboree lise@scgsgenealogy.com *February 10, 2016* *For IMMEDIATE RELEASE* *Student Genealogy Grant Applications Invited* *The Suzanne Winsor Freeman Memorial Student Genealogy Grant Committee and the Southern California Genealogical Society Jamboree are pleased to announce the 2016 Student Grant and Jamboree Scholarship. Student genealogists between the ages of 18 and 23 are eligible to apply for the $500 cash award and full registration scholarship for the 2016 SCGS Jamboree to be held in Burbank, California June 3-5, 2016.* The Student Grant was established in 2010 by family and friends in memory of Suzanne Winsor Freeman, family historian and life-long volunteer, and an enthusiastic annual attendee at the SCGS Jamboree. The 2016 Southern California Genealogy Jamboree <http://www.scgsgenealogy.com/Jamboree/> sponsored by the Southern California Genealogical Society will provide a full conference registration to the SCGS Jamboree in June where the award will be presented. This is a unique opportunity for a young genealogist to attend a premiere regional conference and meet genealogists from throughout the nation. Past recipients include Elyse Doerflinger (Lomita, California), A.C. Ivory (Salt Lake City, Utah), Anthony Ray (Palmdale, California), Michael Savoca (Toms River, New Jersey), and Paul Woodbury (Provo, Utah). “The Student Genealogy Grant pays tribute to Suzanne Freeman’s dedication to youth volunteerism and family history by awarding the annual cash grant to a young genealogist attending the SCGS Annual Genealogy Jamboree, Southern California’s premiere regional genealogy conference,” notes Denise Levenick, committee chair and Freeman’s daughter. “We are especially grateful to Jamboree for providing a three-day conference registration to the grant recipient,” she adds. “SCGS is truly a leader in conference organizations by encouraging youth involvement in genealogy through the student conference scholarship.” Born in Olathe, Kansas, Suzanne Winsor (Brown) Freeman moved to Orange County, California with her family in the early 1930s where she attended school and lived most of her life. She developed a strong interest in family history sparked by the stories of her mother’s early life in Colorado and Kansas. After retirement Suzanne moved to Green Valley, Arizona where she was active in the local genealogy society. She enjoyed returning to Southern California each year in June to attend the SCGS Jamboree. Suzanne passed away after a brief illness in Tucson, Arizona August 28, 2010. The $500 cash award pays tribute to these interests by awarding the annual cash grant to a young genealogist attending the Jamboree. In addition, a student scholarship for conference registration to the Annual Southern California Genealogy Jamboree will be provided by the Jamboree conference. Any genealogist who is between the ages of 18 and 23 as of June 2, 2016 and a current student (full-time or part-time) is eligible to apply. The award will be presented at the Jamboree Scholarship Breakfast Sunday, June 5, 2016; the recipient must be present to receive the award. See the Grant Application for eligibility details. Funding for the cash award is provided by the family grant program; Jamboree registration is provided by the conference. Individual contributions to the grant program are welcome at the Student Grant Webpage <http://www.thefamilycurator.com/swf-grant/>. *Application deadline is March 20, 2016 midnight Pacific Daylight Time.* Application details and forms are available at the Student Grant Webpage <http://www.thefamilycurator.com/swf-grant/> http://www.thefamilycurator.com/swf-grant. Suzanne Winsor Freeman’s Obituary is available here <http://www.thefamilycurator.com/home/2010/9/3/suzanne-mercy-winsor-freeman-1933-2010.html> .

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Hi Everyone I’m doing research on the above who was born c 1770 in Robinson Washington PA. He was married to a Magdalena ??, she died in Indiana Co PA in 1853. Nelson died in 1828 and left a will which has been sent to me today leaving all his assests to his wife apparently. This couples sons are John and William don’t know of any others. The thing is that Nelson is listed as FULLUM/FULLEM in the 1810 and 1820 Census in Washington Co. PA and then the names seems to go to FULLER in the Census’s in 1850 for Nelson’s sons William and John FULLER in Kiskiminetas Armstrong PA. I haven’t found Magdalena as FULLUM/FULLEM or FULLER in the 1830 or 1840 Census of course she may not be the head of the household. She is on the FAG site as dying in 1853 Indiana Co. We are trying to connect this Nelson FULLUM etc with our Henry FULLER. Nelson seems to be African-American (freed Slave?). From the Commemorative biographical record of central PA by J.H. BEERS 1898 mentions a Grandson of Nelson FULLER ie Frederick FULLER who served in the Civil War. We are intrigued as some records on Henry FULLER seem to indicate that he maybe coloured or have a dark complexion at least. Any help finding more on Nelson and family would be great. Kind regards Dianna from Australia

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Hi Philip Re your lost great great uncle In 1911 Nimrod SNOOK is enumerated as a boarder of Tom HILL, his occupation is retired navy and is coded as 415 Officers of the Navy (retired) However he is 39 in 1881 and no sign of a Naval career, he would be a little old to start then I would say Having cast around for your man and not finding him in 1891 or 1901, I looked a little further He married a Susan Ann SPENCER in 1875, he is with her in 1881 The last time I found Nimrod SNOOK was in an electoral roll in 1885 Wiltshire No sign of him in 1891, however a George SNOOK of the right age and birthplace appears in Battersea as a lodger, he is a general labourer single aged 49 born Fovant Wiltshire In 1901 in Dover is a George SNOOK a boarder, aged 59 occupation "excavator, Navvy" born Wiltshire place not known George SNOOK does not seem to exist before 1891 and after 1901 A Susan SNOOK appears in 1911 as an inmate in the Lambeth workhouse Renfrew street, she is 44 born Blandford Dorset, as was Susan the wife of Nimrod in 1881 Therefore I would suggest that post 1881 (possibly 1885) Nimrod and Susan split up, Nimrod changed his name to George and used that until post 1901, perhaps he committed some misdemeanor which made him want to lose himself (or from his spouse) In 1911 I suggest Tom wrote navy when he meant Navvy and the enumerator/statistician wrongly took that as an ex Navy man Where Susan got to in 1891 or 1901 is another matter Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/01/2016 13:12, Philip Snook via wrote: > Nimrod Snook (aka Snooke and Snooks) > Born 15th Feb 1842, Fovant, Wiltshire according to the Parish Records. > Died 16th Oct 1918, West Wellow, Romsey, Hants. > > I have his record on 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881 and 1911 Censuses and Electoral Roll for 1885 in Swindon and a Probate for his will. Notice that on the 1911 he states that he is retired navy. Was he at sea for the 1891 and 1901 censuses? > > Any help breaking through this brick wall will be gratefully received. > > Philip Snook --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus