In regards to your Enyart post tonight, it is really strange but I went to the local genealogical society today and made a copy of Barbara Barths last article in the NY G &B on Ysbrant Eldersz of Rensselaerswyck. Elsie/Alice Van Woggelum? is mentioned. Let me study your post for a couple of days. I am surprised that the data was posted on that list, did Roberta post it? I am sure Roberta has a copy of the Van Woggelum article Barbara wrote, which has not been published as yet. Barbara is the one writing an article on the Roll's, her Van Woggelum article will probably be out in July. I don't quite agree with all she has. Will write more about that later. ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]