Thanks again to Jan Holland for her efforts in posting all those Roll files. For those that may be interested, I found three postings that were related. Family numbers 97, 1040 and 1143. Michael Roll (#97 & #1143) was the brother of George Roll (#97). William Roll (#1140) was the son of Michael Roll (#97 & #1143) and Michael's first wife. Thus William Roll (#1140) was a half brother to Michael's children with his second wife, Hedwig Zimmerman (#1143). My grandfather, Albert Roll, was one of those children. The three postings are listed in their entirety below. Dave Petrie Arden Hills, Minnesota, USA Family #97 (1) 1. Mr. Roll Children: Michael George (2) 1.1 Michael ROLL Residence: moved west to learn Blacksmith Trade (2) 1.2 George ROLL Children: John George Michael Joseph Jacob Louis Henry Gertrude Mary Elizabeth (3) 1.2.1a John ROLL* Birth Date: 1845 Birth Place: Lancaster, NY Death Date: Jan 1925 Death Place: Alden, NY Spouse: Elizabeth HAMMER Children: Elizabeth Peter Mary John Frank John William Other Spouses Barbara FUCHS (4) 1.2.1a.1 Elizabeth ROLL (4) 1.2.1a.2 Peter ROLL Birth Place: NY Children: William Raymond Fred daughter (5) 1.2.1a.2.1 William ROLL (5) 1.2.1a.2.2 Raymond ROLL Children: son (5) 1.2.1a.2.3 Fred ROLL (5) 1.2.1a.2.4 daughter ROLL (4) 1.2.1a.3 Mary ROLL (4) 1.2.1a.4 John ROLL died in infancy (4) 1.2.1a.5 Frank ROLL Children: son (5) 1.2.1a.5.1 son ROLL Residence: in Attica, NY (4) 1.2.1a.6 John ROLL has 4 daughters (4) 1.2.1a.7 William ROLL died in infancy (3) 1.2.1b John ROLL* (See above) Spouse: Barbara FUCHS Children: Catherine Henry Helen Joseph Ida Bertha Albert Arthur Florence Otto Norman Other Spouses Elizabeth HAMMER (4) 1.2.1b.1 Catherine ROLL (4) 1.2.1b.2 Henry ROLL had 3 daughters (4) 1.2.1b.3 Helen ROLL (4) 1.2.1b.4 Joseph ROLL no children (4) 1.2.1b.5 Ida ROLL (4) 1.2.1b.6 Bertha ROLL (4) 1.2.1b.7 Albert ROLL also had 4 daughters Children: Albert (5) 1.2.1b.7.1 Albert ROLL Residence: Lancaster, NY (4) 1.2.1b.8 Arthur ROLL (4) 1.2.1b.9 Florence ROLL (4) 1.2.1b.10 Otto ROLL Birth Place: NY Children: James Paul Thomas Robert (5) 1.2.1b.10.1 James ROLL (5) 1.2.1b.10.2 Paul ROLL (5) 1.2.1b.10.3 Thomas ROLL (5) 1.2.1b.10.4 Robert ROLL (4) 1.2.1b.11 Norman ROLL Birth Date: 1905 Spouse: Bertha PAULTER Death Date: 1978 (3) 1.2.2 George ROLL Birth Date: 1847 Birth Place: NY Death Date: 1905 Children: George Michael Edward Leo daughter daughter daughter daughter (4) 1.2.2.1 George ROLL (4) 1.2.2.2 Michael ROLL (4) 1.2.2.3 Edward ROLL (4) 1.2.2.4 Leo ROLL (4) 1.2.2.5 daughter ROLL (4) 1.2.2.6 daughter ROLL (4) 1.2.2.7 daughter ROLL (4) 1.2.2.8 daughter ROLL (3) 1.2.3 Michael ROLL (3) 1.2.4 Joseph ROLL Birth Place: NY Children: John Joseph Louis Edward daughter daughter daughter (4) 1.2.4.1 John ROLL (4) 1.2.4.2 Joseph ROLL (4) 1.2.4.3 Louis ROLL (4) 1.2.4.4 Edward ROLL (4) 1.2.4.5 daughter ROLL (4) 1.2.4.6 daughter ROLL (4) 1.2.4.7 daughter ROLL (3) 1.2.5 Jacob ROLL Birth Date: 1860 Birth Place: NY Death Date: 1926 Children: john Edward Raymond daughter daughter (4) 1.2.5.1 john ROLL (4) 1.2.5.2 Edward ROLL (4) 1.2.5.3 Raymond ROLL (4) 1.2.5.4 daughter ROLL (4) 1.2.5.5 daughter ROLL (3) 1.2.6 Louis ROLL (3) 1.2.7 Henry ROLL (3) 1.2.8 Gertrude ROLL (3) 1.2.9 Mary ROLL (3) 1.2.10 Elizabeth ROLL Family #1143 Michael ROLL (1832 - 1899) & Hedwig ZIMMERMAN | Michael Henry ROLL (20 Sep 1880 - 23 Dec 1969) & Edna Eunice ROBINSON (9 Oct 1896 - ) | | Marjorie Hazel ROLL (4 Mar 1921 - ) & Jay Carl Mc DOWELL (16 Jul 1913 - ) | | | Marilyn Joyce Mc DOWELL (9 Aug 1957 - ) | | | Susan Kathleen Mc DOWELL | Albert ROLL | | Robert ROLL & Miss PETRI | Frances ROLL & Mr HILLISHEIM | | Gertrude H HILLISHEIM & Mr UNGER | | | Richard H UNGER Family #1040 First Generation 1. William ROLL. Born 1855. Died Jan 1896/1898 in St. Paul, MN. He married Mary BUCHANAN. Born 8 Mar 1858 in st. Lawrence Co., NY. Died 1 Apr 1944 in Alameda, CA. They had the following children: 2 i. Frank Faye ROLL Second Generation 2. Frank Faye ROLL. Son of William ROLL & Mary BUCHANAN. Born 13 Aug 1894 in St. Paul, MN. Died 23 Sep 1952 in Walnut Creek, CA. He married Edith Mildred HOBBS, 26 Jan 1917. Born 7 May 1900 in Scipio, UT. Died 23 Dec 1951 in Martinez, CA. They had the following children: 3 i. Robert Hobbs ROLL Third Generation 3. Robert Hobbs ROLL. Son of Frank Faye ROLL & Edith Mildred HOBBS. Born 20 Apr 1926 in San Francisco., CA. He married Mary Delores GODWIN, 10 Jun 1952 in Salt Lake City, UT. Born 21 Feb 1927 in Walnut Creek, CA. =========================================================