A few weeks ago I posted a copy from the land records of property transferred from Jan Mangels and wife 'Tryntje' to their son Pieter. This came from "New York geno. and Biog. Records, Vol. XXXVI, p 133 and 322. TAG is very good, but only as good as the person who submitted the information. Just like John Littell's book, it is very good, but contains errors. My money goes with the deed and Tryntje. I will add the land record to this. This land record probably was missed by earlier researchers and also by the heirs of Jan Mangels who tried to sue NY state for the value of the property. Only the descendants of Pieter would have had any claim to it. Volkie Janse or Tryntje Pieters, wife of Jan Mangelse In most of the documentation for Jan Mangelse, his wife is not mentioned by name. Edwin D. Roll, in his "The Roll Family, One Branch", Oct 1982 has, "1698/9. Jan and Tryntje Mangelse sold a parcel of their land at Canastogione to their son Pieter for L50. A copy of the deed of sale is on file; also a description of the property involved." I could not find a copy of the deed till recently. I knew some researchers had Volkie Janse as Jan's wife, but with the Dutch naming system Volkie would have been the daughter of Jan, not Pieter. I added Pieters/Pieterse onto Tryntje's name, as she was the daughter of Pieter. (Dutch naming system) Just because her brothers used Van Woggelum and several other aliases, we cannot assume she was also known by them, but we do know Jan Mangelse married the daughter of Pieter Adriaensen Van Woggelum. I still think an earlier researcher misread the contract of sale between Claes Jansen van Bockhoven and Jan Mangelse of land at Niskayuna in which it is written, "seller or his wife named Volckie Jans". The problem with this is that Jan was the buyer, Claes was the seller. I have already sent a copy of this out to the group, if there are any new subscribers and would like a copy, let me know. Anyway, below is a copy of a copy of the sale of land between Jan Mangelse, his wife, Tryntje and their son, Pieter. Please let me know what you think. New York Geno. And Biog. Records, Vol. XXXVI. P 133 and p 322 "Richmond County, Staten Island. The following deed on sale was recorded for Peter Mangelse, the 3rd day of February 1698/9. Joseph Egbert, Clk." "To all Christian People to whom thes presents shall come: John Mangilson of staten Island of the County of Richmond & Trynitje his wife-Sendeth Greetings in our Lord God Everlasting. Now know yee that for the sum of Fifty-pounds currant moneys to them in hand paid by Peter Mangilson at or before the signing & ensealing of these presents the receipt whereof the said John Mangilson and Trynitje his wife both hereby acknowledge themselves therewith fully satisfied contented and paid and of every part and parcell thereof, and do hereby Exonorate and discharge the sd Peter Mangilson his heirs, Exs, administrators & assigns has bargoned, sold assignes & sett over and by these presents doe bargon sell assigne and sett over unto the sd Peter Mangilson his heirs & assigns for ever a certain tract or parcell of land lying and being at Sagoddiochquissatt which by deed of gift has been granted unto the said John Mangilson by the Maqhase Indians in the year of 1681/2, the said land running from the marked tree whereon of name of the sd John Mangelson stands and also the mark of the Maqhase Indians unto the creek that lyeth west ward the line of the sd land running into the woods diveth North lys on a straight line together with all houses, barnes, stables, orchards, fencings, feedings, pastures, or any other premises whatsover, to have and to hold the sd land and premeses with their and every of their appertunances. To the only sole and proper use behalf and benefit of him, the said Peter Mangelson his heirs & assigns foreever by these presents and the said John Mangelson and Trijntje his wife for themselves their heirs, Exec. Adm. Doth covenant & agree to and with the sd Peter Mangilson his heirs Exec. Adm. And assigns that hee the said John Mangilson at the time of ensealing and delivery of these presents hath good right full power and absolute authority to grant bargon sell and convey the afore mention premses with their and every of their appertunances freed and cleared of & from all manner of and forever other gifts, grants, bargons, soles, leases, toyntunes, dawers or any other incumbrances whatsoever and that the said Peter Mangilson his heirs, Exec. Administ. & assigns shall and may lawfully & peaceabley, and quietly have hold use occupy posses and enjoy the sd land and premises without the lawfull lett suit trouble interuption or molestation of him the said John Mangilson or either of them and that hee the said John Mangilse his heirs, Exec. Adminst. Shall warrant and forever will defend the said land and premises against any person or persons laying, claiming any estate right, title of in or to the same. In witness whereof the said John Mangilson and Tryntje his wife have hereunto Sett their hands and seals this second day of February in the tenth year of our Souvenign Lord Willim the third by the grace of God King of Eng. Scotland, France & Ireland, Defender of the Faith an lue 10-169/9 Signed Sealed and Delivered John Mangilson in the presence of Tho. Coone Tryntje Mangilse Witness Conelis + Eckenson" "Genealogy of the Roll Family Ancestry and descendants of John Roll of Elizabethtown Township Essex County New Jersey and Allied families of Brotherton-Burrows-Cory-Crane-Earl-Norris-Schooley-Smith-Vreeland-Wade-Wilso n and Woolley" by Richard Timbrook Wilson. Ridgewood, bergen County, New Jersey 1921. With Additions by Richard John Franz 3rd. Pensacola, Escambia County, Florida. Starting in 1957, and Including Doland and Franz Families. Compiled by Marquerite S. Roll. 1972. P 29 & 30. I will not run a spell check on the above for obvious reasons, if you find something that does not make sense, let me know and I will take a look at the original. Nancy [email protected] [email protected]