Now, Kathy & All, Kathy, if I'm following your e-mail correctly, it indicates the children of Adriaen & Annetie/Annetje to be the following from your research: 1. Pieter Adriaenson b 1610 in Von Woggelum, Holland and died without probate. 2. Jan Pieterse (known as Jacob Adriense Von Utrecht & Jan Pieterse Van Utrecht) mar 10 Feb 1664 to Unknown. (This one gets me if I am understanding the Dutch pattern of naming correctly. How could a person be son of both Adriaen & Pieter? How could a person be both Jan & Jacob? Isn't Jan the name for John? Any explanations or comments out there? Are these the same person or two different persons? 3. Catharina ? Anyone know anything about Catharina that can help? ****************************************** Now, Kathy, under Catharina ? you have: "1a. Jan Mackelick 1b. Pieter 1c. Volkie Janse ADRIAENSEN mar 25 Aug 1661 to Jan Mangelse I would understand from this that these are the possible children of Adriaen PIETERSE & Annetie/Annetje. According to this reference in your search Volkie would be the wife of Jan Mangelse rather than Tryntje. Wouldn't one interpret Volkie as Volkie (daughter of) Jan ADRIAENSEN? We need to get a chat group going for a discussion as complicated as this one...so guess this chat e-mail. Thanks everyone for your input. Audrey