I have not, that I remember, seen a record that has the name of Jan Mangelese wife on it. This research was done by Isaac Clifford Roll & Roland H. Roll. They had the name of Jan Mangelese and Volkie Janse Adriaensen. From there, we did the research on the children and the Baptism Records and the Marriages. I have seen all those and I know, for a fact that they are true according to records. These pages that Audrey picked up for me in Fort Wayne Library, THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST, Vol. 32, P. 206 lists: Daughter, name unknown, Jan Mangelson on 25 August 1661 acknowledged in court that he owed to his father-in-law, Pieter Adriaenson. I don't know if this was what Isaac Clifford Roll was referring to or just that it proved Jan Mangelese was a son-in-law of Pieter Adriaensen. In all this research, we must have come across something that had the name on it and I can say for a fact, that I have never come across any paper that shows her name as anything else. There is a marriage record for her Grandmother, Anneke Pieters to Barent Janse Bal on 22 November 1652, at the Manhattan Dutch Church. This was her 3rd marriage. The Reformed Dutch Church of N.Y.C. had a fire and it burned part of their records but I can't remember what year. I also have a record of the seating in the church that Audrey offered some time ago. I would like a copy. I wouldn't even know where to look for mine if it is even the same. I've been away from Genealogy for a few years and all my things have been put away for awhile, except for all the notebooks. I can say that in Isaac Clifford Roll's Research, I have never known him to record anything unless he saw the proof. I don't think the man ever made an assumption. He was a family researcher, as I am, and he did take the records that people sent him but when he did research himself, it was documented. This map, "PATENT OF CANASTAGAGIONE" and the deeds on the INDIAN LAND, I will try to send to everyone on the list this weekend. Since I can't send it through ROLL-L, I will send it to each of you who have posted on the list. Any new people on the list who wants it will have to let me know or can get it from someone else on the list already. Martha