I went into the archives and copied some data. Sickles, the first three were posted on the ROLL-L on dates shown. On 26 Oct 1997 Martha wrote: Elizabeth dau of Abraham van Sickles On 25 Nov 1997 Kathy wrote: Elizabeth dau of Robert Sickles & Geertruy Rednars On 4 May 1998 Martha Wrote: Research from Beth Berry. Elizabeth dau of Robert Van Sickle/Sickles and Geertruy Ridderhaas. (I wrote to Beth Berry on two different occassions asking for her documentation. No answer.) >From the Dutch-Colonies e-mail list (I forgot to get date) Belitje DE GROOT's parents were Johannes DeGroot and Elizabeth Sickles. "Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society" Vol IV, State Island Church Records, NY, 1909, p 41. "1731 Oct 10. Parents: Johannes De Groot, Elisabet Sikkels. Child: Robbert. Witn. Zacharias Sikkels, Ariaantje. Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net