Hi Jan, Most of the information I have on this family came from Martha Roll, July 1998, posted to the ROLL list. I did look in the notebook of compilations by Marguerite S. Roll. Sometimes I forget (duh) that I have it. Most of the information is the same, except she is missing some first names looks like she could not read something. She shows: issue of Martin V.B. ROLL 1. J_____s 2. R_____w 3. H_____l R. 4. Charles 5. Frank 6. C_____w P. 7. Lilly M. b 3 Mar 1875 Martha only had the year 8. Earl G. b 10 sep 1881; d 31 Oct 1887 9. Charles b 7 Dec 1885 10.Blanche b 1889 Martha only posted children through Lilly. Theodore Roll b 13 Mar 1856 Walter Robert Roll b 28 May 1858 Marguerite only show the death date for Earl G. as 31 Oct 1887, since he and Charles were young children, it wouldn't be surprising if they did die on the same date. I have not done any research on the Preston family. You might want to check to see if there is a Preston list at Rootsweb, join it and send a query, if you don't get a response then unsubscribe. I have done that in the past for some surnames. My memory needs to reminded every so often that I do have Marguerite's compilation. Later today, I will look further in it, but I don't think she went any further on this family. Nancy Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net -----Original Message----- Husband: Martin Van Buren ROLL - ------------------------------------------------ Birth: 28 Jan 1833 Death: 22 Dec 1901 Remarks: Res: 127 Livingston St., Cincinnati, OH Father: Wickham ROLL (1791-1863) Mother: Mary JONES (1805-1834) - ------------------------------------------------ Marriage: 18 Apr 1855 - ------------------------------------------------ Wife: Abigail PRESTON - ------------------------------------------------ Birth: 9 Sep 1836 Death: 11 Oct 1908 Remarks: married her 2nd cousin Father: Abijah William PRESTON Mother: Martha (Patsy) ROLL (1802-) - ------------------------------------------------ Children... - ------------------------------------------------ 1. M Child: Theodore ROLL Birth: 13 Mar 1856 Death: 24 Apr 1928 Spouse: E. HURLEY Marriage: 28 Sep 1882 - ------------------------------------------------ 2. M Child: Walter Robert ROLL Birth: 28 May 1856 Death: 20 Jul 1929 Spouse: A. Clara RATTERMAN Marriage: 29 Apr 1885 Place: Hamilton, Butler Co., OH Spouse: Minnie Wilhelmina MEYER Marriage: 13 Mar 1889 - ------------------------------------------------ 3. M Child: H. L. ROLL Birth: 9 Oct 1865 Death: 3 Feb 1869 - ------------------------------------------------ 4. M Child: Charles ROLL Birth: 17 Apr 1869 Death: 30 May 1869 - ------------------------------------------------ 5. M Child: Frank ROLL Birth: 26 Jun 1871 - ------------------------------------------------ 6. M Child: Carlton S ROLL Birth: 16 Jul 1873 Spouse: Elizabeth F. PERRON Marriage: 1896 - ------------------------------------------------ 7. F Child: Lillian M. ROLL Birth: 1875 - ------------------------------------------------ 8. M Child: Earl G. ROLL Birth: 10 Sep 1881 Death: 31 Oct 1887 Remarks: this could be a grandchild? - ------------------------------------------------ 9. M Child: Charles ROLL Birth: 7 Oct 1885 Death: 31 Oct 1887 Remarks: this could be a grandchild? - ------------------------------------------------ 10. F Child: Blanche ROLL Birth: 1889 Remarks: this could be a grandchild? Husbands Notes... - ------------------------------------------------ Research: Ref: 1880 Census of Hamilton Co., OH; Roland H. Roll records and Evelyn L. Norweb records. There may have been a Raymond E. or Richard E. who married Thelma C.?? Questions??????????/ Theodore Roll and Walter Robert Roll , brothers show born same year? Abigail Preston and Martin Van Buren Roll show as having had two sons named Charles. The first Charles lived to age 2. Second Charles, Earl B & Blanche I show may be Martin and Abigail's grandchildren?????? (Who are their parents? if not M & A. Charles Roll and Earl G. Roll shown as dying same day? Did they? Can you give me any more information on your sources for finding Abijah Preston m. Margaret Simson Warden and their children (there were most likely many more) do you have others listed? Do you know anyone else working on this line that may have more info? Thanks Jan hollandj@uonline.net