Dear Roll List Members, I just came on something different. The following Web site uses MANGELS as a patronymic for MICHIEL. I don't think there is any connection with our Jan Mangels, but I thought I would send this on to the group nevertheless. I wonder of this patronymic is unique, or if the useage appears elsewhere. http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/t/y/Steven-P-Stymiest/BOOK-0001/0006- 0003.html 10. MICHIEL4 TADESSE (ANNETJE3 STYMES, CASPAR2 STEYNMETS, CASPAR1 STYNMETS) was born 1680 in Bergen, New Jersey. He married ANTIE VERWEY October 19, 1706 in Bergen Dutch Reformed Church. Children of MICHIEL TADESSE and ANTIE VERWEY are: 26. i. ANTJE MANGELS5 VAN EYDERSTYN. ii. TEUNIS MANGELS VAN EYDERSTYN. 27. iii. TADUS MANGELES VAN EYDERSTYN, b. Aft. 1706; d. March 31, 1774, New Barbadoes Neck, Bergen Co., New Jersey. iv. JOHANNA VAN EYDERSTYN, b. Bet. 1707 - 1719, Passaic, New Jersey; d. Abt. 1738, Passaic, New Jersey; m. HOHANNIS SPIER, 1737. v. LEANTJE MANGELS VAN EYDERSTYN, b. 1709. Sincerely, William Henry Roll 12643 Hickory Road Blythe, CA 92225-2007, USA Telephone: 760.922.7181 Email address <william.roll@gte.net> The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~windmill/> The Sonora Genealogy Windmill <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~windmill/sonora/> The Chihuahua Genealogy Windmill <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~windmill/chihuahu/>