Isn't there a site listing those who served in the War of 1812? Thought I had a URL but can't find it. Jan

Jan, did you get the information that I sent? The first time I sent them, I accidentally put something wrong in your address so they were returned to me. I re-sent them and just wondered if you got them. In answer to your question, I have nothing other than what you have on George Roll and Sarah Gary. That's been my problem in trying to link them for certain. I just need to make a journey to Cincinnati to clear things up. I'll ask my husband's cousin if she might have anything in her mother's things that were from George's family. It's like pulling teeth to get anything out of some of the family members. My husband's mom was born after George S. and Estelle were already deceased so she knows very little about even them. I was lucky that I got the copies of the obituaries before my husband's aunt died. I'll let you know if I can find anything. Thanks. Emma

When I said Elizabeth Strichhauser was a young bride, I was looking at a page that I had not updated. According to "The Palatine Families of NY 1710" by Henry A. Jones Jr. V. II pp 1014-1015, Elizabeth was born 5 Apr 1704 in Bad Kreuznach,Germany. Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net

My records show that Elizabeth Strichhauser was born in 1699, so that would make her about 29 at marriage, and Jan Mangels Roll (my records show date of birth as 1700 to 1708) would make him between 20 and 28 years old, which are all reasonable. I would think that the fact that John and Elizabeth were witnesses to a baptism at the Reformed Church on Staten Island would have made a marraige record easy to find. Maybe they were married in New York City, as Balthasar seemed to have settled there. I never heard the rationale behind Elizabeth's name possibly being Sickles, so have no information to make me lean toward that. If anyone knows where the Sickles theory came from, I would love to have that information. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Does anyone have access to FTM CD # 354- Passinger & Immigration Lists? Am looking for info on Johannes Waidmann. You can send direct to me. Many thanks!!!!!! hollandj@uonline.net

I had them listed in different order--see * ( ) below. Jan >I only know John Mangels Roll was buried at the Presbyterian Church in Long >Hill, Chatham, NJ. * (Buring Ground Of Long Hill Chapel, Morris Co. NJ ) essentially the same-(Does anyone have a different one?) For their children, >I have: > >John b 17 Oct 1733 * Isaac b ca 1735 (37) * Mary "Molly" b ca 1737 (41) >Abrham b 29 Aug 1739 * Catherine (Catron) b ca 1741 (35) >Jane (Jean) b 12 Sep 1743 > >(All agree??) > >IF Elizabeth was Strichhauser and she and John were married around the time >of baptism when they were witnesses, 1728, Elizabeth Strichhauser would have >been a very young bride. Notice there is no son named after John's father, >Pieter, nor a son named after Balthasar Strichhauser or Robert Sickles. >There is a daughter, Jane who could be named after paternal grandmother, >Jannetje DuChesne AND daughter Catherine (Catron) could be named after >Catharina Krobel Strichhauser. Off hand I can't remember the name of Robert >Sickles wife, so can't compare that. > >I will have to go through my notes. I did find a marriage for a Elizabeth >Sickles who married a DeGroot (?). > >Nancy Lohbrunner >lohbrunner@prodigy.net > > > > >==== ROLL Mailing List ==== >Remember!!! Try to limit the use of the original message in your replies. Use either a portion of the original message or a good subject line to reference your reply. Thanks. > >

I went into the archives and copied some data. Sickles, the first three were posted on the ROLL-L on dates shown. On 26 Oct 1997 Martha wrote: Elizabeth dau of Abraham van Sickles On 25 Nov 1997 Kathy wrote: Elizabeth dau of Robert Sickles & Geertruy Rednars On 4 May 1998 Martha Wrote: Research from Beth Berry. Elizabeth dau of Robert Van Sickle/Sickles and Geertruy Ridderhaas. (I wrote to Beth Berry on two different occassions asking for her documentation. No answer.) >From the Dutch-Colonies e-mail list (I forgot to get date) Belitje DE GROOT's parents were Johannes DeGroot and Elizabeth Sickles. "Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society" Vol IV, State Island Church Records, NY, 1909, p 41. "1731 Oct 10. Parents: Johannes De Groot, Elisabet Sikkels. Child: Robbert. Witn. Zacharias Sikkels, Ariaantje. Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net

I only know John Mangels Roll was buried at the Presbyterian Church in Long Hill, Chatham, NJ. (Does anyone have a different one?) For their children, I have: John b 17 Oct 1733 Isaac b ca 1735 Mary "Molly" b ca 1737 Abrham b 29 Aug 1739 Catherine (Catron) b ca 1741 Jane (Jean) b 12 Sep 1743 (All agree??) IF Elizabeth was Strichhauser and she and John were married around the time of baptism when they were witnesses, 1728, Elizabeth Strichhauser would have been a very young bride. Notice there is no son named after John's father, Pieter, nor a son named after Balthasar Strichhauser or Robert Sickles. There is a daughter, Jane who could be named after paternal grandmother, Jannetje DuChesne AND daughter Catherine (Catron) could be named after Catharina Krobel Strichhauser. Off hand I can't remember the name of Robert Sickles wife, so can't compare that. I will have to go through my notes. I did find a marriage for a Elizabeth Sickles who married a DeGroot (?). Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net

Emma Do you have any information on George & Sarah Gray Roll/Rall that you could share? Just have him b. 6 Feb 1800, NJ and d. 23 Dec 1882 of chronic inflammation of the stomach. Sarah b. 1800, VT -married 7 Mar 1822 Butler Co., OH marriage records. Jan

Is there a question as to the 6 children or just the last name of his spouse? Does anyone know where either of the Elizabeth's are buried?

I would love to find a citation for the marriage of John Mangels Roll --- to anyone! I don't think anyone has ever found one or at least it has never been posted on the list. I for one would love to have the 'can of worms' opened in this matter. None of the children of John Mangels Roll were named after any ot the Sickles family, but then none of them were named for the father of Elizabeth Strickhauser. (Could be the grandson.) Comments anyone? Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net

Hi all-- I've been on the list for quite some time but have never seen anyone comment on the John Mangels Roll SR.(b 1708) marriage. Maybe this has been hashed out and I missed it but would like to know if anyone has ever documented either marriage. Some have it as Elizabeth Sickles 1712-1782 (m. 1725) with ch: John, Catherine (Catron), Isaac, Abraham, Molly (Mary), and Jane (Jean) and others show Elizabeth Strickhauser 1784- ? (m. 1732) children ?????. Hope I haven't opened a can of worms but I would really like to know how everyone is handling this. Jan

The following is what I believe to be the George Roll/Rall that Emma is searching. Can anyone add to this? Emma is on the list and am anxious to get her input on this line. Husband: Peter ROLL - 2256 - ------------------------------------------------ Birth: 7 May 1773 Place: Essex Co., NJ Death: 14 Mar 1864 Burial: Mar 1864 Place: Spring Grove Cem., Cincinnati, OH Sec. 57,Lot53 Father: Abraham ROLL - 2247 (1739-1813) Mother: Mary BROOKS - 2248 (1742-1783) Marriage: 1 Nov 1794 Wife: Polly BELTON - 2473 -Birth: 24 Feb 1775 Death: 20 Jun 1866 Remarks: Of Short Hills, Union Co., NJ Children... - ------------------------------------------------ 1. M Child: Isaac M. ROLL - 2474 Birth: 3 May 1796 Death: 13 Jan 1860 Spouse: Mrs. Susan ROLL - 2475 - ------------------------------------------------ 2. F Child: Hannah ROLL - 2476 Birth: 11 Feb 1798 Death: 21 Apr 1800 - ------------------------------------------------ 3. M Child: George ROLL - 2477 ---------BELOW---------Birth: 6 Feb 1800 Place: NJ Death: 23 Dec 1882 Remarks: Res:512 W. Liberty St., Cincinnati, OH SeeNotes Spouse: Sarah GARY - 2478 Marriage: 7 Mar 1822 Place: Butler Co., OH - ------------------------------------------------ 4. F Child: Clarissa ROLL - 2479 Birth: 6 Mar 1802 Death: Dec 1804 - ------------------------------------------------ 5. F Child: Nancy ROLL - 2480 Birth: 2 Feb 1804 Death: 15 Jul 1834 Spouse: Mr. LEMAIRE - 2481 - ------------------------------------------------ 6. M Child: Charles ROLL - 2338 Birth: Circa 1806 Remarks: Bapt. 1-8-1806 Spouse: Mary ROLL - 2336 - ------------------------------------------------ 7. F Child: Harriet ROLL - 2482 Birth: 2 Dec 1808 Death: Dec 1810 - ------------------------------------------------ 8. M Child: Lewis ROLL Dr. - 2483 Birth: 17 May 1811 Death: 21 Mar 1893 Place: Cincinnati, OH - ------------------------------------------------ 9. F Child: Mary ROLL - 2484 Birth: 17 Sep 1813 Death: 9 Mar 1879 Spouse: Benjamin AUCHEY - 2485 Marriage: 12 Dec 1830 - ------------------------------------------------ 10. F Child: Harriet ROLL - 2486 Birth: 26 Dec 1815 Remarks: No Children Spouse: John BABER/BAKER - 2487 Marriage: 25 May 1836 - ------------------------------------------------ 11. M Child: William Baltus ROLL - 2488 Birth: 1 Apr 1818 Death: Aug 1821 - ------------------------------------------------ 12. F Child: Mariah Thompson ROLL - 2489 Birth: Aug 1821 Death: 1821 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------------------- Husband: George ROLL - 2477 Birth: 6 Feb 1800 Place: NJ Death: 23 Dec 1882 --Cause of death: Chronic inflamation of the stomach. Remarks: Res:512 W. Liberty St., Cincinnati, OH 1850 Census- Hamilton Co., OH Father: Peter ROLL - 2256 (1773-1864) Mother: Polly BELTON - 2473 (1775-1866) Marriage: 7 Mar 1822 Place: Butler Co., OH Wife: Sarah GARY - 2478 Birth: 1800 Place: VT Children... 1. F Child: Margaret ROLL - 3107 Birth: 1833 - ------------------------------------------------ 2. F Child: George S. ROLL - 3108 -------Believe this is your George--- Birth: 1836 3. F Child: Emeline ROLL - 3109 Birth: 1839

Hi Jan, If you haven't already sent the info to Emma about G.S. Rall, could you send a cc to the list? Maybe it could help someone else. Thank you, Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net

Would you please send me the pict you offered of Israel Roll and Milton Roll? THank you so much. Diane Winant

No she is not currently a subscriber , but I did tell her about us and Rootsweb. her Email is rhonda@airmail.net Kathy

I had sent a note concerning the death of Edna in May but received the following info just the other day with the particulars--- Edna May Roll, dau of Theodore Everett & Sarah Jean Sears Roll b. Nov 20 1900 in Hamilton, Butler Co., OH, d. May 17, 1999 in Brookville, IN at the age of 98 years 5m 28. Funeral services were held May 20 at Phillips & Meyers Funeral Home in Brookville, IN. Internment at College Corner Cemetery, College Corner, IN. Jan

Is Emma a subscriber to the Roll list? I have info on her line but not sure where you want it sent??? George S (b. 1836) son of George & Sara Gary Roll >son of Peter & Polly Belton Roll> Jan in WA

Kathy, The pictures came through great. Thank you for sending them. Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net

This was sent to me but I can't help her because all my information is on the N.J. line, if someone here can help her please do. Thank You Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rhonda L. Dickens <rhonda@airmail.net> To: <rsme44@gte.net> Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 9:27 PM Subject: Signed Guestbook : Hi! My name is Emma Dickens and I live in Bedford, Texas between Dallas : and Fort Worth. My husband's mother was a RALL and I am trying to : figure out if George Stockton Rall my husband's great grandfather is : connected to the Jan Mangalese family for certain. He is buried here in : Fort Worth and was born in Ohio in 1936. He was married to Malvina : Estelle Cary who was also from Hamilton County, Ohio. I have alot of : info on the Cary's and I have quite a bit of information on G. S. Rall, : but I'm having trouble connecting whether he is definitely the son of : George Roll and Sarah Gary. It seems like everything fits, but I'm not : certain. I would love to make a trip to Cincinnati and hopefully will : be able to do so in the near future. I do know that quite a few of the : Roll's lived in the Mill Creek Township (Hamilton County) and so did the : Cary's. My husband's aunt told me that her grandmother told her that : she and George used to play together as their families had neighboring : farms. Anyway, if you have any information that would be helpful I : would really appreciate it. Thanks. Emma :