Emma, I understand about wanting to be sure about Ancestry. I do also. I don't have a death date for Sarah Gary. A death certificate might give her parents names. Since we have the last address for George Roll, it was likely her last address also. I don't even know if you can get a Death Certificate with just the name and address. There were so many Sarah Roll's that it would have to be by the address to be sure of the person. If you find anything that the name should be Cary instead of Gary, I would appreciate you letting me know so it can be changed. I want the maiden names to be correct. It is not unusual for a child to marry back into the family. They could be distant cousins. Families were close back then even the distant families. Most of us remember the Catherine Roll/James Ayres situation. Some of us worked on it for years before we learned that it was two different James Ayres and Catherine Roll. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Martha __________________________________________________ FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com

James Whallon Roll was in the 1900 Allen Co., KS. Census. Martha __________________________________________________ FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com

Hi Barbara, I lost you again for awhile. Glad you joined the group. I think the pronunciation was the main cause for name changing about that time. When I first met Lynn, she had gone to school in Roll, Indiana (pronounced Rall) as a young girl. She commented several times to mispronounce her name was fighting words. Lynn's ancestor Matthias Roll is the person the town is named for. We use the Roll pronunciation. The family lived around Marion, Indiana since the mid 1900's. Anywhere I went, within about 100 mile radius, they pronounced my name Rall. Some seemed to be very strict with the pronunciation and some just let it go. Martha __________________________________________________ FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com

Martha, Thanks for the information. The pronuciation makes sense. Glad to know that my grandfather was not just an upstart. I haven't intended to have an alias, but that may have been the reason for the confusion. Eighteen months ago, I married so I changed from Hamilton to Peiffer ( I married my high school sweetheart) and moved from IL to AZ. Barbara Rall Hamilton Peiffer

Hi Barbara, My ROLL ancestor's changed their name to RALL while still in Ohio. Sometimes I wonder whether they were illiterate and had to have a 'clerk' write and spell their surname, might have had something to do with accents also. Of course in the 1800's they did not have to write their name very often and could have been forgetfulness. MY grgrgrandfather, Isaac Brooks Rall (1829 OH-1910 KS), son of Moses RALL (1797 NJ-1868 OH) , son of Jacob ROLL (1761 NJ- 1834 OH) married his first cousin Mary Jane Latourrette in Clark County Ohio in 1850, they were in Whitley County IN for the 1860 and 1870 Census, then they were in the 1900 census in Reno County KS. It is believed they were in Kansas before 1885 and family lore states they returned to IN sometime after the death of their daughter in 1885. At that time they took their youngest granddaughter (my grandmother) back to KS with them to raise. Isaac died in 1910 and Mary Jane in 1904, both are buried in the Plevna Cemetery in Reno County KS. I have not researched why so many moved to KS around that time, I just assumed that there was either a land give a way or inexpensive property. Seems like migration patterns developed over land. I think Ed's ancestor's changed their name from ROLL to RALL about the same time as mine, also in OH. Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net

Martha, thanks alot for your help. I don't know if I'm being overly concerned, but I guess because I had several earlier emails telling me that ROLL/RALL was a pretty common name in the OHIO area that I'm particularly paranoid. Because I do know that the MILL CREEK connection does exist between the Roll's and the Cary's, and my husband's aunt said that as children George S. and Estelle (Cary) played together as their families had neighboring farms, it seems they are definitely the right family. Anyway, thanks again and I am very much appreciative of your efforts. Emma

My relative, James Whallon ROLL was born on Dec. 28, 1936 in Cincinnati to Samuel Vance ROLL and Nancy Ann Whallon ROLL. In the 1860's, he is found in Zanesville as a partner in business school. He married Susan WEATHERHEAD probably in the sixties, also. In the 1880 census, he is in Allen County, Kansas as a farmer and was in a boarding house. In the same census, Susan was in the home of William L. CHURCH, 46th Street, Hyde Park, Cook County, IL. She and the children joined him in KS later. I don't know why this connection to the CHURCH family, either.I am very interested in the why of these migrations. Does anyone else have a Roll ancestor that also has these movings, that parallels these travels? My theory is he may have gone with relatives or to relatives. I know that the Kansas move was probably for land, but I wonder if he went with other relatives. There were other ROLLS in Zanesville at the time, but I don't know how they are connected or if they are. James and Susan had four children born from 1868 to 1875. Susan died in Kansas in Colony, Anderson County, KS in 1909 and James in 1919. Their children were Samuel Albert b. 1868 who died in Illinois in 1911, Nannie Bessie who married Arthur PAINE Lillie Marie who married Earl RANEY and Robert E ROLL who was born in 1907 and died in Colony in 1907. Does anyone have any more information and/or connections to this family? An interesting note: Samuel Albert Roll/Rall was my grandfather. He changed his name from ROLL to RALL before 1900. Does anyone else have a relative who changed a name from Roll to Rall? Samuel Albert married Ethel Briggs in 1900 in La Grange, IL and they had two children, Robert Weatherhead RALL b 1906 (my dad who is now 92) and Jane Eileen RALL b. 1908. Thank you, ROLL people, for reading this and for your help. Barbara RALL Peiffer

Emma, The information that I sent earlier was added between 1992 and last year. Janis and I lost touch for awhile. I don't have anything more on George Stockton Roll. I think I sent P. 222 in to the list and if I did, it will be in the Archives. I need to check it to see what I have sent. I do know that this George Stockton Roll was the son of George Roll & Sarah Gary. There were two daughters, Margaret b. 1833 and Emeline b. 1839. The notation at the bottom of the page reads: George Roll was born in N.J. He married Sarah Gary in Butler Co., Ohio. He was in the 1850 Census in Hamilton Co., Ohio. Last residence was 512 W. Liberty Street, Cincinnati, Ohio. Died of Chronic Inflamation of Stomach. I wish I had been better at references but that was one thing I overlooked. I hope this helps. Martha __________________________________________________ FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com

Janis, I meant to send the last one through the list and didn't. I checked the mail and I don't have it about Edna passing. Bill, When you get the genealogy ready again, would you please add Janis's name. We all did it together and she has all that we have and maybe more. I can only add a notation to what she has now and then for what I've picked up in the last few years and jotted down. Martha __________________________________________________ FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com

Welcome back!!! Great to hear from you !!!!!! Hope all is working now. We've really missed you! Did you get my message concerning Edna Roll's passing? Jan

Janis, Your letter of July 17 stating that you believe this was the George she was looking for is the right one. I have: George Stockton Roll b. Feb. 1836 d. Buried at Ft. Worth, TX Stockton, Feb., and Buried at Ft. Worth, TX is all in pen writing so I had failed to send this on to you. I am back online but different. A lot of trouble with the server and they are still not up yet but I have mail but not what I want. I'll give the address at the end. Computer up and down for a couple of months hasn't helped either. Classes are getting harder. Sorry I lost all that has been sent to Carrollnet.com but I can get it here temporarily. This should be in Hansel's stuff since it is on my page 222 and I believe he got it. Mother of George Stockton Roll, Sarah Gary was born in Vermont. That is also in pen writing. I didn't notice if it was in your information. My address temporarily is: therolls@usa.com Martha __________________________________________________ FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com

Hope this helps. ** means I have further info let me know if you want it. Jan Family ID 1795 Husband: Isaac ROLL - 2638 - ------------------------------------------------ Birth: 1787 Military: Place: War of 1812 at Hull's Surrender in Detroit Death: 1833 Remarks: He was present at Hill's surrender at Detroit, MI and was paroled. He went home to Mill Creek, Hamilton, Co., OH 1830 Census-Vigo Co., IN, Terre Haute, IN. Father: John ROLL - 2214 (1757-1819) Mother: Martha FORCE - 2633 (1759-) - ------------------------------------------------ Marriage: 1813 Place: Cincinnati, OH - ------------------------------------------------ Wife: Elizabeth THOMPSON - 2639 - ------------------------------------------------ Birth: 1782 Death: 15 Oct 1867 - ------------------------------------------------ Children... - ------------------------------------------------ 1. M Child: Edward ROLL - 2644 Birth: 1 Jan 1814 Place: Hamilton Co., OH Death: 5 Oct 1894 Remarks: Res: Pearson Twp., Vigo Co., IN Spouse: Nancy BEARD - 2645 Marriage: 8 Oct 1835 Place: Riley, IN - ------------------------------------------------ 2. F Child: Phoebe ROLL - 2646 Birth: 1817 - ------------------------------------------------ 3. M Child: John ROLL - 2647 Birth: 23 Nov 1818 Place: Cincinnati, OH Remarks: SeeNotes Res: 1890 Peoria, IL ** 4 children - ------------------------------------------------ 4. M Child: Aaron T. ROLL - 2648 Birth: 1821 - ------------------------------------------------ 5. F Child: Hannah ROLL - 2649 Birth: 26 Mar 1823 Spouse: Mr. ADAMS - 2650 Spouse: Mr. LANHAM - 2651 - ------------------------------------------------ 6. F Child: Abigail ROLL - 2652 Birth: 23 Mar 1827 Remarks: Res: Newport, Campbell Co., KY Spouse: Griffith JONES - 2653 ** 2 children - ------------------------------------------------ 7. F Child: Cynthia Ellen ROLL - 2654 Birth: 1826 - ------------------------------------------------ 8. M Child: James A. ROLL - 2655 Birth: Apr 1829 Spouse: Mrs. Barbara J. ROLL - 2656 ** 3 children - ------------------------------------------------ 9. M Child: Milton Owen ROLL - 2657 Birth: Circa 1830 Place: Terre Haute, Vigo Co., IN Remarks: Res: 1890, St. Louis, MO Spouse: Urith Ellyn BENNETT - 2658 ** 4 children ****** Family ID 1799 Husband: Edward ROLL - 2644 - ------------------------------------------------ Birth: 1 Jan 1814 Place: Hamilton Co., OH Death: 5 Oct 1894 Remarks: Res: Pearson Twp., Vigo Co., IN Edward owned and operated a saw mill as well as a farm. He was a leader in the community. A prosperous man, he gave each of his children $1000 or a tract of land when each married. Father: Isaac ROLL - 2638 (1787-1833) Mother: Elizabeth THOMPSON - 2639 (1782-1867) - ------------------------------------------------ Marriage: 8 Oct 1835 Place: Riley, IN - ------------------------------------------------ Wife: Nancy BEARD - 2645 - ------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------------------------ Children... - ------------------------------------------------ 1. F Child: Elizabeth Jane ROLL - 3659 Birth: 9 Jul 1836 Death: 11 Mar 1882 Place: Sullivan, IN Spouse: Anderson WARD - 3660 Marriage: 29 Dec 1853 ** 11 children - ------------------------------------------------ 2. F Child: Cynthia Ellen ROLL - 3661 Birth: 6 Jul 1838 Death: 26 Mar 1918 Spouse: Jesse H. WILSON - 3662 Marriage: 29 Mar 1855 ** 6 children - ------------------------------------------------ 3. M Child: James Wilson ROLL - 3663 - ------------------------------------------------ 4. F Child: Mary Abigale ROLL - 3664 Birth: 22 May 1843/1845 Place: Pierson Twp., Vigo Co., IN Death: 13 Apr 1926 Place: Riley, IN Spouse: Israel LEAK - 3665 Marriage: 14 Mar 1872 **2 children - ------------------------------------------------ 5. M Child: John Aaron ROLL - 3666 Birth: 15 Jan 1847 Place: Vigo, IN Death: 1919 Burial: Place: Libert Cem., Vigo, IN Remarks: Res: Terre Haute, IN Spouse: Mary Jane SHAW - 3667 ** 3 children - ------------------------------------------------ 6. M Child: Stephen Owen ROLL - 3668 Birth: 26 Dec 1849 Death: 1 Feb 1890 Spouse: Jennie NEET - 3669 Marriage: 23 Jul 1876 ** 1 child - ------------------------------------------------ 7. M Child: Felix "Phil" ROLL - 3673 Birth: 1854 Death: 1941 Occupation: Farmer Remarks: Very Religous. Res: South Of Riley, IN Spouse: Josie WILLIAMS - 3674 Marriage: 1879 ** 2 children Spouse: Carol Mary ELLIS - 3675 Marriage: 1902

Jan/Nancy - I show a total of 9 children for Isaac Roll and Elizabeth Thompson 1. Edward Roll, b Jan 1, 1814, d Oct 5, 1894, Md Nancy Beard Oct 8, 1835 2. Phoebe Roll, b 1817 3. John Roll, b Nov 23, 1818, Cincinnati, OH 4. Aaron T Roll, b 1821 5. Hannah Roll, b Mar 26, 1823, Md ? Adams, had 2 children, Md 2d ? Lanham in St Louis MO 6. Abigail Roll, b. Mar 23, 1827, Md Griffith Jones in Newport KY & had 2 children 7. Cynthia Roll, b. abt 1826. Said to have been buried on her Uncle Edwards land. Her brother called her his 'youngest sister' 8. James A Roll, b Apr 1829, md Barbara J ? 9. Milton Owen Roll, b abt 1830, probably died in St Louis MO Hope this helps Hansel 8. ----- Original Message ----- From: LOHBRUNNER <LOHBRUNNER@prodigy.net> To: <ROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 1:08 AM Subject: [ROLL-L] John of Vigo,IN > Jan, > Did Isaac Roll and Elizabeth Thompson have any more children besides Edward? > Did Edward and Nancy Beard have any other besides John Aaron? > > I'm sorry Jan, but you or Martha probably already posted this data. I have > two boxes of data to enter into my computer and can't seem to catch up. > > Nancy Lohbrunner > lohbrunner@prodigy.net > > > > >Parents: Isaac (1787-1833) & Elizabeth Thompson (1782-1862) Roll-Isaac was > >son of John Roll & Martha Force. > >Need more? > >Jan > > > > ==== ROLL Mailing List ==== > The Olive Tree Genealogy Homepage > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ >

Jan, Did Isaac Roll and Elizabeth Thompson have any more children besides Edward? Did Edward and Nancy Beard have any other besides John Aaron? I'm sorry Jan, but you or Martha probably already posted this data. I have two boxes of data to enter into my computer and can't seem to catch up. Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net >Parents: Isaac (1787-1833) & Elizabeth Thompson (1782-1862) Roll-Isaac was >son of John Roll & Martha Force. >Need more? >Jan

Parents: Isaac (1787-1833) & Elizabeth Thompson (1782-1862) Roll-Isaac was son of John Roll & Martha Force. Need more? Jan -----Original Message----- From: LOHBRUNNER <LOHBRUNNER@prodigy.net> To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com <ROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 10:42 PM Subject: [ROLL-L] John of Vigo,IN >Who were the parents of Edward Roll who married Nancy Beard? They had son >John Aaron Roll b 15 Jan 1847 Vigo,IN; d 1919, buried Libert Cem,Vigo,IN. >He married Mary J (Mollie) Shaw b Jan 1856; d 1943. Their children were >Charles T. b Aug 1883; bertha M. b Aug 1887 and Grover L. b Dec 1889. (Above >data per LDS Ancestral File.) > >Thank you, >Nancy Lohbrunner >lohbrunner@prodigy.net > > > >==== ROLL Mailing List ==== >Lucinda KIDD (1834-1902) married Jonathan Smith ROLL (1828-1904) >http://members.aol.com/RLCww/kidd-so1.htm > >

Does anyone have any info on Johannes Roll bap 21 Sep 1788 St. Peters Lutheran Church, Dutchess, NY? Parents: Daniel Roll and Elizabeth. (LDS IGI) Thank you, Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net

Does anyone have data on John Roll b abt 1808 of Orange,NY. Parents James Roll and Sarah Coe Roll? (Data from LDS IGI.) Thank you, Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net

Who were the parents of Edward Roll who married Nancy Beard? They had son John Aaron Roll b 15 Jan 1847 Vigo,IN; d 1919, buried Libert Cem,Vigo,IN. He married Mary J (Mollie) Shaw b Jan 1856; d 1943. Their children were Charles T. b Aug 1883; bertha M. b Aug 1887 and Grover L. b Dec 1889. (Above data per LDS Ancestral File.) Thank you, Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net

Emma- Been trying to clean out my mail box and came across your note below- Can't remember if I answered it. I did receive your info and will be anxious to see what further info you come up with. Sorry if I didn't answer earlier!!!!! Jan -----Original Message----- From: Rhonda L. Dickens <rhonda@airmail.net> To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com <ROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, July 17, 1999 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [ROLL-L] Emma >Jan, did you get the information that I sent? The first time I sent >them, I accidentally put something wrong in your address so they were >returned to me. I re-sent them and just wondered if you got them. > >In answer to your question, I have nothing other than what you have on >George Roll and Sarah Gary. That's been my problem in trying to link >them for certain. I just need to make a journey to Cincinnati to clear >things up. I'll ask my husband's cousin if she might have anything in >her mother's things that were from George's family. It's like pulling >teeth to get anything out of some of the family members. My husband's >mom was born after George S. and Estelle were already deceased so she >knows very little about even them. I was lucky that I got the copies of >the obituaries before my husband's aunt died. I'll let you know if I >can find anything. Thanks. Emma > > >==== ROLL Mailing List ==== >Remember!!! Try to limit the use of the original message in your replies. Use either a portion of the original message or a good subject line to reference your reply. Thanks. > >

I don't have a site, but maybe you can find something here: http://www.rootsquest.com/~amhisnet/mil/war1812.html Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net