In a message dated 04/13/2000 11:03:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hollandj@uonline.net writes: << From: hollandj@uonline.net (Janis Holland) Reply-to: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com Could you tell us more about their son Stephen Roll (Rawle) b. Jan 15, 1794-d. May 27, 1813... Additions or corrections to the list below would be appreciated. Jan The only children I have for Abraham and Catherine Vreeland are: 1. Isaac b. 1789 who m. Susan Dehart Whitehead and had 8 children. 2. Abigail b. 1787, who m. Runyan Trembley and had 2 children. 3. David who m. Jane Brokaw. 4. Jane b. 1792, who m. John Morris. 5. Samuel 1794-1813 no info. >> I stand corrected: Jan, I meant Samuel. Don't ask me why I put down Stephen, but you have the dates and that him. He is buried with his mother in the Presbyterian Cemetery in Elizabeth, NJ. I have a tombstone picture somewhere. Dave from Long Island

In a message dated 04/07/2000 11:39:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lohbrunner@prodigy.net writes: << Subj: [ROLL] Abraham Roll Date: 04/07/2000 11:39:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Lohbrunner@prodigy.net (Nancy Lohbrunner) Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:ROLL-L@rootsweb.com">ROLL-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com Dave, Yes, we are very interested. Did he die in Springfield? What I thought was so interesting about this Abraham is that he was excommunicated by Scotch Plains, Essex (s/b Union), NJ, Baptist Church (7GSMNJ70) 22 Dec 1764. Does anyone know why? Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net >> Cousin Nancy, The information I have so far is that Abraham ROLL died in Summit, Union County NJ on October 20, 1813 and is buried in the cemetery of the Long Hill Chapel. I have not been able to locate that cemetery yet. There is a Long Hill Chapel in Summit, but it is a new congregation and they have no knowledge of a Long Hill Chapel in 1813 or of a cemetery connected with their church. Abraham's first wife, Mary BROOKS died in 1783 and he remarried to Catherine VREELAND. I have been able to locate her grave in the Presbyterian Cemetery in Elizabeth, NJ. She died August 9, 1814 and is buried next to her son by Abraham. Their son is Stephen ROLL (RAWLE) who was born January 15, 1794 and died May 27, 1813. I found Elizabeth (VREELAND) ROLL and Stephen ROLL in a book entitled "Inscriptions on Tombstones and Monuments in the burying Grounds of the First Presbyterian Church and St. Johns Church at Elizabeth, New Jersey 1664-1892". Originally published in 1892, the book was reprinted in 1997. Dave from Long Island

Could you tell us more about their son Stephen Roll (Rawle) b. Jan 15, 1794-d. May 27, 1813... Additions or corrections to the list below would be appreciated. Jan The only children I have for Abraham and Catherine Vreeland are: 1. Isaac b. 1789 who m. Susan Dehart Whitehead and had 8 children. 2. Abigail b. 1787, who m. Runyan Trembley and had 2 children. 3. David who m. Jane Brokaw. 4. Jane b. 1792, who m. John Morris. 5. Samuel 1794-1813 no info.

This, I believe is considered a primary source reference. >From the book... "Family Records, or GENEALOGIES OF THE FIRST SETTLERS OF PASSAIC VALLEY (And Vicinity)"; by John Littell: p. 349 JOHN ROLL JOHN ROLL, (called in German Johonis Mongle.) came from Germany and settled between Springfield and Westfield, near the mountain, and had children: 1. Isaac, who married Sarah Cauldwell, daughter of James, of Long Hill. 2. John married, 1st Rachel, who died 21st May, 1768, aged 30 years and he married, 2nd Edith Wick, in 1769. 3. Abraham married, 1st Mary Brooks, 2nd Caty Vreeland. 4. Molly, who married Mr. Woolley. 5. Jane, who married Thomas Cory, son of Elnathan. [see Cory.] **(My own note: Some penciled in the book Coory instead of Cory) More later:

Hey, Everyone, Take a look at our ROLL MEMORIAL GALLERY. Surnames include: ROLL-BROOKS-DUNHAM-ROSS Go to the homepage at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~grannyapple/ROLL/MEMORIALgallery.ht ml and click on the link to access the first three photos of the gravestones of our ROLL family. Be sure to get the complete URL all the way to the .html. Sometimes it does not come through as a complete hyperlink when sending e-mail, so be sure to put the complete URL in your browser space. THANKS to Dave in Long Island...AND does anyone else have any scanned pictures out there or other scanned items you would like to see on a website for the ROLL family? Also, don't forget to access William Henry ROLL's site, the ROLL WINDMILL. I have placed a hyperlink to his page from the MEMORIAL GALLERY. Also, Bill has a GEDCOM on the RootsWeb WorldConnect site. Audrey

I would love to have photos of the cemetery stones sometime or a place on the web to make copies from. Right now I am on vacation, but when I return home we could set up a Roll family site at myfamily.com. Or maybe someone else would like to set it up? Nancy Lohbrunner ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Ref: Elsje HENDRICKS Bill, I think you gave the following information: Elsje married Johannes MARCUS and had dau named Hendrickje Johannes MARCUS Elsje married Jan(s) ??? and had daughter: Styjntje JANS(E) who married Jan Pieterse Adriaense VAN WOGGELUM b ca 1645. Is this a different Elsje below: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/rdcmarr.htm 1642 6 Jul. Jillis Pieterszen, j.m. van ter Gonde, en Elsje Hendricks, j.d. Van Amsterdam Any thoughts anyone? Audrey

We can do that, or I have "FREEPAGES" on RootsWeb (no limit on space used) that I can upload to if people wish to scan and send them to me. I am working on numerous webpages to go with my various lines. Oh, Nancy...I have a LATOURETTE who married a BAKER...descendant of Jacobus BACKER & Margaret STUYVESANT. These lines keep interconnecting more and more. Enjoy. Audrey -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Lohbrunner <lohbrunner@hotmail.com> To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com <ROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:09 PM Subject: [ROLL] Photos >I would love to have photos of the cemetery stones sometime or a place on >the web to make copies from. Right now I am on vacation, but when I return >home we could set up a Roll family site at myfamily.com. Or maybe someone >else would like to set it up? > >Nancy Lohbrunner >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >==== ROLL Mailing List ==== >Join and support RootsWeb, home of the ROLL surname list and many other genealogy lists and resources - go to - >http://www.rootsweb.com > >============================== >Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

In a message dated 04/08/2000 1:13:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, davehancock@worldnet.att.net writes: << Subj: Re: [ROLL] Children of Abraham Roll Date: 04/08/2000 1:13:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: davehancock@worldnet.att.net (Audrey Shields Hancock) Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:ROLL-L@rootsweb.com">ROLL-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com Dave, Can you identify the Abbigail (ROLL) DUNHAM better...parents please? Audrey >> Abbygil (ROLL) DUNHAM was the daughter of BROOKS ROLL and Phebe (ROSS) ROLL and the granddaughter of Abraham ROLL.

Dave, Can you identify the Abbigail (ROLL) DUNHAM better...parents please? Audrey -----Original Message----- From: DMS59Dart@aol.com <DMS59Dart@aol.com> To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com <ROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, April 08, 2000 9:30 AM Subject: [ROLL] Children of Abraham Roll >Hey cousins; Maybe we can find all the graves of the children of Abraham >ROLL and put them together in a webpage. Is there a webpage dedicated to >ROLL's or Abraham ROLL and his decendants. Oh yes. I promised you more. >Next to the Grave of Brooks ROLL is the grave of Baltus ROLL his brother and >another son of Abraham ROLL. I have the story of Baltus ROLL, but do you? >If you want it on the mailing list, just let me know. Dave from Long Island > >So far we have: >1- Son: Brooks ROLL - Presbyterian Cemetery, Westfield, NJ >2- Daughter-in-law - Phebe (ROSS) ROLL - Presbyterian Cemetery, Westfield, NJ >3- Son: Baltus ROLL - Presbyterian Cemetery, Westfield, NJ >4- Daughter-in-law: Elizabeth (Betsey) (ROLL) DUNHAM - Baptist Cemetery, >Scotch Plains, NJ >5- Granddaughter Abbigal (ROLL) DUNHAM - Baptist Cemetery, Scotch Plains, NJ > >More to come. Dave from Long Island

Yes, Dave, Elizabeth "Betsey" (MILLS) ROLL's, wife of Jacob, is buried right in the first row of gravesites near the wrought iron fencing at the very front of the graveyard facing the street...farthest from the back of the church. It is a tall red sandstone gravestone and there are some MILLS buried around there. Also, have some pictures taken at the Presbyterian Churchyard in Westfield...lost...in that camera. Guess I'll have to get a new camera and go back...good thing my son lives in Waldwick, Bergen Co., NJ which isn't too far away. We were there last year the day after the hurricane hit the area. Scotch Plains Baptist Church was recovering from their basement area flooding. Audrey -----Original Message----- From: DMS59Dart@aol.com <DMS59Dart@aol.com> To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com <ROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, April 08, 2000 9:17 AM Subject: [ROLL] More on the children of Abraham Roll >In a message dated 04/08/2000 9:00:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >davehancock@worldnet.att.net writes: > ><< Subj: Fw: [ROLL] Abraham Roll > Date: 04/08/2000 9:00:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: davehancock@worldnet.att.net (Audrey Shields Hancock) > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:ROLL-L@rootsweb.com">ROLL-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com > > Well, Elizabeth "Betsey" (MILLS) ROLL, wife of Jacob ROLL/RALL who was s/o > Abraham & Mary (BROOKS) ROLL, was also buried at Scotch Plains Baptist > Church Cemetery, and her gravestone was still standing last year. Took a > picture when there last year, and with remodeling our house this past > year...my camera is missing with all the pictures still inside, so when I > find it, I will scan it and put it on the web somewhere. Frustration...in > Portage, Michigan. > > Records at Scotch Plains Baptist Church are rather bleak. In fact, in one > book it appears that someone copied names from another book [probably and > older book], but no information accompanies the names. > > Audrey > >> >Audrey, et. al., I get over that way occasionally (Scotch Plains. Can you >tell me the approximate location of Elizabeth "Betsey" (MILLS) ROLL's grave >at Scotch Plains. I would like to take a picture also. Another son of >Abraham ROLL and Mary (BROOKS) ROLL is of course, Brooks ROLL. He is my >Great Great Great Great Grandfather and is buried along with his wife Phebe >(ROSS) ROLL in the Presbyterian Cemetery in Westfield, NJ I have picture of >these tombstones. More to come. Dave from Long Island

Hello, By husband Bud Cain descends from Abrahams' daughter Elizabeth Roll who married Isaac SAYRE.I think that some are buried in Springield Presbyterian Cemetery.I'll check when I get up there next time. Mary(Polly) Sayre,b.1814;d/o Brooks Sayre and Polly Conklin married Joseph Cain in the Springfield Presbyterian Church in 1832. Joseph Cain,b.1791;s/o Joseph and Margaret Perrine m.1790. As per the Baltus Roll murder,Joseph Cain was on of the persons that Mrs. Roll went to for help.As far as I can piece it together Joseph Cain was staying with Brooks Sayre the brother of his future wife, Polly Sayre;as this was before they married in 1832. I'll be happy to help with pictures from the Presbyterian Cemetery Springfield next time I go.Just email me your names etc. Two of the children of Joseph and Mary Sayre Cain are buried there. George Washington Cain,b.1835-1901 and his wife Harriet Parker Hoffman 1838-1927. They were my husbands g-grandparents.William Ross Cain,b.1849 and 2 of his wives are also there in the next grave. I'll be happy to share the information on my line and would love anything anyone else may know. Regard, Barbara Cain Brielle,NJ DMS59Dart@aol.com wrote: > > Hey cousins; Maybe we can find all the graves of the children of Abraham > ROLL and put them together in a webpage. Is there a webpage dedicated to > ROLL's or Abraham ROLL and his decendants. Oh yes. I promised you more. > Next to the Grave of Brooks ROLL is the grave of Baltus ROLL his brother and > another son of Abraham ROLL. I have the story of Baltus ROLL, but do you? > If you want it on the mailing list, just let me know. Dave from Long Island > > So far we have: > 1- Son: Brooks ROLL - Presbyterian Cemetery, Westfield, NJ > 2- Daughter-in-law - Phebe (ROSS) ROLL - Presbyterian Cemetery, Westfield, NJ > 3- Son: Baltus ROLL - Presbyterian Cemetery, Westfield, NJ > 4- Daughter-in-law: Elizabeth (Betsey) (ROLL) DUNHAM - Baptist Cemetery, > Scotch Plains, NJ > 5- Granddaughter Abbigal (ROLL) DUNHAM - Baptist Cemetery, Scotch Plains, NJ > > More to come. Dave from Long Island > > ==== ROLL Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe send to ROLL-L-request@rootsweb.com (normal List) or ROLL-D-request@rootsweb.com (digest list), put unsubscribe in subject and body of message nothing else. Turn off signature lines. > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Our "cousin", William Henry ROLL of CA, has developed a wonderful ROLL Family site with many, varied wonderful information. The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill A Genealogy of the Roll, Van Woggelum, and Related Families http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~windmill/index.html Click down to "CONTENTS" to see all the goodies that Bill has on this site. Audrey -----Original Message----- From: DMS59Dart@aol.com <DMS59Dart@aol.com> To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com <ROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, April 08, 2000 9:30 AM Subject: [ROLL] Children of Abraham Roll >Hey cousins; Maybe we can find all the graves of the children of Abraham >ROLL and put them together in a webpage. Is there a webpage dedicated to >ROLL's or Abraham ROLL and his decendants. Oh yes. I promised you more. >Next to the Grave of Brooks ROLL is the grave of Baltus ROLL his brother and >another son of Abraham ROLL. I have the story of Baltus ROLL, but do you? >If you want it on the mailing list, just let me know. Dave from Long Island > >So far we have: >1- Son: Brooks ROLL - Presbyterian Cemetery, Westfield, NJ >2- Daughter-in-law - Phebe (ROSS) ROLL - Presbyterian Cemetery, Westfield, NJ >3- Son: Baltus ROLL - Presbyterian Cemetery, Westfield, NJ >4- Daughter-in-law: Elizabeth (Betsey) (ROLL) DUNHAM - Baptist Cemetery, >Scotch Plains, NJ >5- Granddaughter Abbigal (ROLL) DUNHAM - Baptist Cemetery, Scotch Plains, NJ > >More to come. Dave from Long Island > > >==== ROLL Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe send to ROLL-L-request@rootsweb.com (normal List) or ROLL-D-request@rootsweb.com (digest list), put unsubscribe in subject and body of message nothing else. Turn off signature lines. > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

Hey cousins; Maybe we can find all the graves of the children of Abraham ROLL and put them together in a webpage. Is there a webpage dedicated to ROLL's or Abraham ROLL and his decendants. Oh yes. I promised you more. Next to the Grave of Brooks ROLL is the grave of Baltus ROLL his brother and another son of Abraham ROLL. I have the story of Baltus ROLL, but do you? If you want it on the mailing list, just let me know. Dave from Long Island So far we have: 1- Son: Brooks ROLL - Presbyterian Cemetery, Westfield, NJ 2- Daughter-in-law - Phebe (ROSS) ROLL - Presbyterian Cemetery, Westfield, NJ 3- Son: Baltus ROLL - Presbyterian Cemetery, Westfield, NJ 4- Daughter-in-law: Elizabeth (Betsey) (ROLL) DUNHAM - Baptist Cemetery, Scotch Plains, NJ 5- Granddaughter Abbigal (ROLL) DUNHAM - Baptist Cemetery, Scotch Plains, NJ More to come. Dave from Long Island

In a message dated 04/08/2000 9:00:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, davehancock@worldnet.att.net writes: << Subj: Fw: [ROLL] Abraham Roll Date: 04/08/2000 9:00:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: davehancock@worldnet.att.net (Audrey Shields Hancock) Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:ROLL-L@rootsweb.com">ROLL-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com Well, Elizabeth "Betsey" (MILLS) ROLL, wife of Jacob ROLL/RALL who was s/o Abraham & Mary (BROOKS) ROLL, was also buried at Scotch Plains Baptist Church Cemetery, and her gravestone was still standing last year. Took a picture when there last year, and with remodeling our house this past year...my camera is missing with all the pictures still inside, so when I find it, I will scan it and put it on the web somewhere. Frustration...in Portage, Michigan. Records at Scotch Plains Baptist Church are rather bleak. In fact, in one book it appears that someone copied names from another book [probably and older book], but no information accompanies the names. Audrey >> Audrey, et. al., I get over that way occasionally (Scotch Plains. Can you tell me the approximate location of Elizabeth "Betsey" (MILLS) ROLL's grave at Scotch Plains. I would like to take a picture also. Another son of Abraham ROLL and Mary (BROOKS) ROLL is of course, Brooks ROLL. He is my Great Great Great Great Grandfather and is buried along with his wife Phebe (ROSS) ROLL in the Presbyterian Cemetery in Westfield, NJ I have picture of these tombstones. More to come. Dave from Long Island

Well, Elizabeth "Betsey" (MILLS) ROLL, wife of Jacob ROLL/RALL who was s/o Abraham & Mary (BROOKS) ROLL, was also buried at Scotch Plains Baptist Church Cemetery, and her gravestone was still standing last year. Took a picture when there last year, and with remodeling our house this past year...my camera is missing with all the pictures still inside, so when I find it, I will scan it and put it on the web somewhere. Frustration...in Portage, Michigan. Records at Scotch Plains Baptist Church are rather bleak. In fact, in one book it appears that someone copied names from another book [probably and older book], but no information accompanies the names. Audrey -----Original Message----- From: DMS59Dart@aol.com <DMS59Dart@aol.com> To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com <ROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [ROLL] Abraham Roll >In a message dated 04/07/2000 11:39:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >Lohbrunner@prodigy.net writes: > ><< Subj: [ROLL] Abraham Roll > Date: 04/07/2000 11:39:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: Lohbrunner@prodigy.net (Nancy Lohbrunner) > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:ROLL-L@rootsweb.com">ROLL-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com > > Dave, > > Yes, we are very interested. Did he die in Springfield? What I thought was > so interesting about this Abraham is that he was excommunicated by Scotch > Plains, Essex (s/b Union), NJ, Baptist Church (7GSMNJ70) 22 Dec 1764. > > Does anyone know why? > > Nancy Lohbrunner > lohbrunner@prodigy.net > >> >I went to the Scotch Plains Baptist Church and asked them to do a lookup as >to why he was excommunicated. I got no answer. But in the cemetery I did >find the grave of Abbygil (ROLL) DUNHAM the daughter of Brooks ROLL and >granddaughter of Abraham ROLL. The grave is the first one in the cemtery and >very easy to find. I found no other ROLL's in there. I have more. Dave >from Long Island > > >==== ROLL Mailing List ==== >Join and support RootsWeb, home of the ROLL surname list and many other genealogy lists and resources - go to - >http://www.rootsweb.com > >============================== >The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >

In a message dated 04/07/2000 11:39:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lohbrunner@prodigy.net writes: << Subj: [ROLL] Abraham Roll Date: 04/07/2000 11:39:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Lohbrunner@prodigy.net (Nancy Lohbrunner) Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:ROLL-L@rootsweb.com">ROLL-L@rootsweb.com</A> To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com Dave, Yes, we are very interested. Did he die in Springfield? What I thought was so interesting about this Abraham is that he was excommunicated by Scotch Plains, Essex (s/b Union), NJ, Baptist Church (7GSMNJ70) 22 Dec 1764. Does anyone know why? Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net >> I went to the Scotch Plains Baptist Church and asked them to do a lookup as to why he was excommunicated. I got no answer. But in the cemetery I did find the grave of Abbygil (ROLL) DUNHAM the daughter of Brooks ROLL and granddaughter of Abraham ROLL. The grave is the first one in the cemtery and very easy to find. I found no other ROLL's in there. I have more. Dave from Long Island

Does anyone know of the wereabouts of Abraham ROLL. I found his second wifes grave in the Presbyterian Cemetery in Elizabeth. Catherine (VREELAND) ROLL, and she was buried next to her son by Abraham. More to come, if anyone is interested. Dave from Long Island

Dave, Yes, we are very interested. Did he die in Springfield? What I thought was so interesting about this Abraham is that he was excommunicated by Scotch Plains, Essex (s/b Union), NJ, Baptist Church (7GSMNJ70) 22 Dec 1764. Does anyone know why? Nancy Lohbrunner lohbrunner@prodigy.net

Could Jennie below be ? Jane L. ROLL who married 1852 Clark Co., OH to John L. MILLER. (Source: MVGI) Audrey -----Original Message----- From: Janis Holland <hollandj@uonline.net> To: ROLL-L@rootsweb.com <ROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 3:02 PM Subject: [ROLL] Aaron Roll's family >This is what I have on Aaron's family: >additions/corrections appreciated!!! >Jan >-------------------------------------------------- >-------------------------------------------------- >12. F Child: Jennie RALL >Birth: 20 Jan 1833 Place: OH >Spouse: Mr. MILLER >Marriage: 1852 > > > > > >==== ROLL Mailing List ==== >Remember!!! Try to limit the use of the original message in your replies. Use either a portion of the original message or a good subject line to reference your reply. Thanks. > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >