-- [ From: Nancy Lohbrunner * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Hello everyone: Thought I would forward (with permission) a message that went out over another list I belong to. It explains a little about RootsWeb and the two people, Karen and Brian, who do most of the work there, besides having jobs. They gladly take small donations. Vist their web page, URL below. The lines with > in front were written by a Bob Sled to Brian Leverich and the lines without the > are from Brian to Bob. Nancy ------- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- Date: Sunday, 16-Nov-97 10:16 PM From: Brian Leverich \ Internet: ([email protected]) To: Bob Sled \ Internet: ([email protected]) Subject: Re: Brian, Karen or someone who understands what & why? -- Your message was: (from ""Bob Sled"") > Brian and Karen, etal, > > Ok, I have seen enough as a new list manager to say one thing: Thank You!! > What we are able to do (free of charge!!) is mind-boggling to me. That we > are able to serve the "public" genealogy population with a MINIMUM of > problems stuns me. > > I know that if I had some of the problems noted in many of the messages > seen herein I would probably be a little annoyed. However, my reply to my > subscribers would simply be that there are problems encountered when > undertaking such a large project, i.e., RootsWeb. > > So I guess I take offense to people who have an "edge" to their messages. > Unless you people are making millions of dollars from this project, I > cannot see how anyone could get "testy" with you. To be without RootsWeb > in unimaginable to me. FWIW, when we last balanced our books on 15 Sept 97 we had paid something over $60,000 in hard expenses (equipment and bandwidth) over the course of the last year and received something under $40,000 in contributions from users. The $20,000 difference came out of Karen and my pockets. > I may be a "newbie" but I ain't young, I ain't stupid, and I > have managed some pretty large projects. The performance of > RootsWeb with all of its potential "glitch here, glitch there" at > such a high level of proficiency is a miracle to me. It *is* a miracle. By way of comparison, RootsWeb ships substantially more bytes than www.familytreemaker.com and their budget runs over $500, 000/year. What we've managed to do reflects the efforts of all the volunteer Webmasters and listowners, and the volunteer system adminstrators including Karen Isaacson, Ben Laurie, Marc Nozell, Tim Pierce, Barry Zurawicz, and others. Looking at what we've done with $60,000, think about what we could do if most of the 300,000 online genealogists became Members or Sponsors. We could make a serious run at creating online resources to rival the Salt Lake City Family History Library. But that was me taking off on a tangent. Bob, thanks for the kind words ! And thanks to everyone for putting up with RootsWeb's odd rough edge. Trying to operate a $500,000+ dollar Internet site on $40,000 of contributions is a tough job, and we're doing the very best we can with the resources we have available to us. -B ------------------ -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 [email protected] ------- FORWARD, End of original message -------

At 03:47 PM 11-17-1997 -0600, Martha wrote: >Hi Bill, > You asked a while ago if I could remember what I was on when I found >the books by Marguerite S. (?) Roll. I believe that was >http://Altavista.digital.com/ That is usually the one I do research on >since I found it. It was about the time that I found it so it might have >been another one. Of course, I was checking Roll records also. I'm sure of >what I entered. It was of 3 choices. Genealogy "Roll" or Family "Roll" or >History "Roll". Maybe someone can find it again. I should have copied the >address just in case someone wanted the information. But, if I had, I >probably wouldn't remember where I put it. >Have a good day. >Martha > Martha, Thanks. I've done the same thing many times, and then regret it later. I'll keep looking. -Bill _______________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The genealogy of the ROLL, MANGEL and VAN WOGGELUM families on the World Wide Web at http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."

Nancy, I think an Archives would be very good. I'm like Betty and running out of disk space. Also like Bill, I check things over and over in case I missed something. I miss things a lot. After all the years of research, I checked records recently on Dr. Silas Roll and just realized that when his parents moved to Indiana and settled the town of Roll, he did not go with them but stayed in Ohio. They tell me that I can't put all my information into this computer unless I add another hard drive or buy a CD Writer. I would like a scanner also. Santa's not going to be that good this year. I think I need another job. If we get an Archives, you might want to add a warning, if anyone is checking my records, beware, I made a lot of typos. Best Wishes, Martha

Hi Kathy, I can't be much help, if any at all. This is from the not-connected notebook. I didn't think I had it Indexed but when I looked in it tonight, there it was, Indexed. Thanks for sending the wife's maiden name, this is a big help searching the records. HERMAN ROLL CAROLINE HEPPNER b. 12/27/1843 b. 10/24/1847 d. 10/18/1936 d. 05/05/1912 THEIR CHILDREN 1. ANNA b. 02/24/1870 d. 03/15/1932 2. RICHARD b. 05/22/1872 d. May 1946 3. EMMA b. 01/01/1874 d. 01/27/1934 4. HERMAN b. 07/27/1877 d. 04/10/1962 5. BERTHA b. 02/11/1879 d. Jan. 1966 6. OTTO b. 01/22/1886 d. May 1943 * 1. MARGARET Twin: 7. META b. 01/12/1888 d. 01/20/1972 Twin: 8. ELIZABETH b. 01/12/1888 d. 05/11/1971 9. ROSE b. 07/06/1893 * Information from: MARGARET ROLL 860 Westwood Avenue Pine Vale, New Jersey - 07675 Cousin in Toms River, New Jersey That's all I have. I'll check some of other pages, maybe something will tie into this one. If I find anything more, I'll let you know. Best Wishes, Martha Roll

MRS NANCY N LOHBRUNNER wrote: > > -- [ From: Nancy Lohbrunner * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- > > Rootsweb have archives for their lists, this is an optional feature. We > will automatically have an archive, but it can be turned off now. What > I would like to know is, do we want an archive? Is it necessary? Do we > want ALL our correspondence saved for anyone who wants to read it. > There will be NO way to edit it. > > Please let me know how you feel about this matter, majority of replies > will rule. Would you like to discuss it before we decide? > > Nancy > I heartily agree with Bill... I am running out of disk space! and that would be a great help to me since I recently lost a lot of my email copies due to a problem with Netscape Mail. Betty (Roll) Holt

If an archives is free to us, it wouldn't hurt to have it. You never know when someone might want to refer back to an old message, and might have accidentally deleted it from their own mail box. Michael ---------- > From: MRS NANCY N LOHBRUNNER <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: ROLL list archives > Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 5:44 PM > > -- [ From: Nancy Lohbrunner * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- > > Rootsweb have archives for their lists, this is an optional feature. We > will automatically have an archive, but it can be turned off now. What > I would like to know is, do we want an archive? Is it necessary? Do we > want ALL our correspondence saved for anyone who wants to read it. > There will be NO way to edit it. > > Please let me know how you feel about this matter, majority of replies > will rule. Would you like to discuss it before we decide? > > Nancy >

When the list was first started, I requested a reply to list. I was told that it was done, but Karen at Rootsweb was gone for a week then was sick and the past several days she has been busy trying to mediate squabbling list owners over passwords for list archives. I will ask for it again as soon as things quiet down a little. ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Hello everyone: I am forwarding a query that was sent to the wrong ROLL address. I invited this person to join our list, hopefully she will re post the query herself. In the meantime if anyone can help her, please respond to [email protected] << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> From: Kathy Roll Subject: Roll name Date: 11/14 Time: 08:14 PM Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233. 233]) by pimaia1w.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA42200 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:13:48 -0500 Received: (from [email protected]) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28731 for [email protected]; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:07:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:07:07 -0800 (PST) X-From_: [email protected] Fri Nov 14 17:07:06 1997 Received: from bl-4.rootsweb.com (rootsweb.com [204.212.38.29]) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA28710 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:07:06 - 0800 (PST) Received: from spike1.pikeonline.net (spike1.pikeonline.net [209.48. 17.2]) by bl-4.rootsweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA14829 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:13:43 -0800 Received: from default [209.48.17.52] by spike1.pikeonline.net (SMTPD32-4.02) id A6FF3B180144; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:12:31 EST5EDT Message-Id: <[email protected]> X-Sender: [email protected] (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Old-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:11:53 -0500 To: [email protected] From: Kathy Roll <[email protected]> Subject: Roll name Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Diagnostic: Unprocessed X-Envelope-To: ROLL-L-request Looking for any information on Herman Roll b.12.27.1843 married Caroline Heppner b.10.24.1847 their children: Anna b.2.24.1870 d. 3.15.1932,Richard b.5.22.1872 d.May 1946, Emma b. 1.1.1874 d.1.27. 1934, Herman b.7.27.1877 d. 5.10.1962, Bertha b.2.11.1879 d.Jan. 1966, Otto b.1.22.1844 d. May 1943, Meta and Elizabeth (twins) b. 1.12.1888 d. 1.20.1972 and 5.11.1971 or Rose b. 7.6.1893 << End of Forwarded message >> ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Nancy, It would be okay with me to archive them so that anyone researching ROLLs can have access to them. We share a lot of interesting "stuff" & would not have to repeat it for others, if they can have access to this "stuff." Audrey ---------- > From: MRS NANCY N LOHBRUNNER <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: ROLL list archives > Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 7:44 PM > > -- [ From: Nancy Lohbrunner * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- > > Rootsweb have archives for their lists, this is an optional feature. We > will automatically have an archive, but it can be turned off now. What > I would like to know is, do we want an archive? Is it necessary? Do we > want ALL our correspondence saved for anyone who wants to read it. > There will be NO way to edit it. > > Please let me know how you feel about this matter, majority of replies > will rule. Would you like to discuss it before we decide? > > Nancy >

-- [ From: Nancy Lohbrunner * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Rootsweb have archives for their lists, this is an optional feature. We will automatically have an archive, but it can be turned off now. What I would like to know is, do we want an archive? Is it necessary? Do we want ALL our correspondence saved for anyone who wants to read it. There will be NO way to edit it. Please let me know how you feel about this matter, majority of replies will rule. Would you like to discuss it before we decide? Nancy

Martha: Thanks for all the ROLL information. I for one am glad you were 'long winded'. Looking forward to your next posting. ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Hi Kathy: Your ROLL names are not familiar to me, where were they from? ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Dear Members of the ROLL Mailing List, I noticed today that ROLL-L is advertised at... GENEALOGY RESOURCES ON THE INTERNET http://members.aol.com/gresinet/gen_mail_surnames-qr.html#ROLL Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites on the Internet http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/surn-qr.htm -Bill _______________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The genealogy of the ROLL, MANGEL and VAN WOGGELUM families on the World Wide Web at http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."

Ed: Roll and Rall were probably both used by poor spellers and 'Ohio' accents. I need to get out my cemetery photos and take another look. Nancy ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

At 09:29 AM 11-14-1997 -0600, you wrote: > Thanks for the offer. I'm interested in the names and dates that you >can come up with from the cemetery records. I have a lot of missing pieces >to the records, such as dates or a name even if it happens to be a middle >name. I do my best to enter a full name or a full date. I don't like >initials or just year dates, althought I have a lot of it, I still try to >add the little things. If it's not too much trouble, I wouldn't want you to >go to a lot of trouble just to help add a few dates or whatever to the >genealogy. > My thoughts on the Roll/Rall spellings and pronunciation is very simple. >Lynn (Roll) Kennedy told me that to misspronounce the name were fighting >words when she grew up. If you do any business around Marion, Grant Co., >Indiana or Blackford Co., Indiana, and your name is Roll, it will be >pronounced Rall. However, I use the way it's spelled and the generations >before me did also. Same line of the family, so I think that at least, one >generation just got tired of correcting people and some were firm. Also >with the spelling, it was likely the same reason when someone pronounced the >name Rall, Census takers and others spelled it as it sounds. I have no >proof, just my thoughts. > I remember an interesting story someone wrote to me many years ago. A >single lady went into a bank in Cincinnati and asked for a loan. Being a >single woman and the early 1900's also was not good for this type of thing >but because her name was Roll, she got the loan. Evidently, in Ohio, the >Roll name is well known and well respected. > I received hundreds of letters from family members on their line of the >family. A lot of people have been connected to the records but a lot have >not been. I have a very large notebook of not-connected Roll's. A lot of >it may only be missing a generation to put it into one book or the other. >When I connect someone, I send them pages of the work. I still get cards >from some of these people. I worked on our genealogy for years and sent out >genealogy to other people as I found their ancestry, but could not get our >own. I had it back to William Alexander & Lucy Ann Elizabeth (Cummings) >Roll and had it forward to Jacob & Betsey (Mills) Roll. A second cousin in >California sent the missing link. William Alexander Roll parents were: >Joseph & Nancy (Bennett or Barnet) Roll. I was so thrilled to finally make >the connection, I sent a full copy of what I had at the time. You wouldn't >believe the letters I received that asked how we pronounced the name. > Sorry to carry on. When it comes to Genealogy, I am a long winded >person. >Best wishes, >Martha > Martha, Wonderful information! Even if it's not my line (and some of it is my line), I'm interested. Stay "long winded." This is what makes a list interesting, I think. We dont't have to be stuffy like some genealogy lists I know. Thanks, Martha. My ROLLs used the "o" pronunciation of ROLL. They were probably the ones that gave in to the common English pronunciation of the ROLL surname. Yes, ROLL is a British surname too. Some British nobles had the surname. ROLLO, the first Duke of Normandy, was a viking. I wonder if there is a connection here to the British ROLLs? (see P.S. below) -Bill P.S. I sent this reply just to Martha, but meant to send it to the entire list. Sorry for the duplicate, Martha. Nancy, we probably need to set the list preference to "reply to list." I think this would be beneficial. -Bill _______________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The genealogy of the ROLL, MANGEL and VAN WOGGELUM families on the World Wide Web at http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."

At 08:44 PM 11-14-1997 -0500, you wrote: >-- [ From: Nancy Lohbrunner * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- > >Rootsweb have archives for their lists, this is an optional feature. We >will automatically have an archive, but it can be turned off now. What >I would like to know is, do we want an archive? Is it necessary? Do we >want ALL our correspondence saved for anyone who wants to read it. >There will be NO way to edit it. > >Please let me know how you feel about this matter, majority of replies >will rule. Would you like to discuss it before we decide? > >Nancy > Nancy, It's ok to archive. This would be an advantage. I have saved almost every genealogy email I have received. This is a lot of disk space. With an archive there would be a place to go to recheck the messages. I often recheck the old messages in case I missed something. As long as we are aware of its existence, we will know to send sensitive stuff by private email. -Bill _______________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The genealogy of the ROLL, MANGEL and VAN WOGGELUM families on the World Wide Web at http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."

Thanks for the offer. I'm interested in the names and dates that you can come up with from the cemetery records. I have a lot of missing pieces to the records, such as dates or a name even if it happens to be a middle name. I do my best to enter a full name or a full date. I don't like initials or just year dates, althought I have a lot of it, I still try to add the little things. If it's not too much trouble, I wouldn't want you to go to a lot of trouble just to help add a few dates or whatever to the genealogy. My thoughts on the Roll/Rall spellings and pronunciation is very simple. Lynn (Roll) Kennedy told me that to misspronounce the name were fighting words when she grew up. If you do any business around Marion, Grant Co., Indiana or Blackford Co., Indiana, and your name is Roll, it will be pronounced Rall. However, I use the way it's spelled and the generations before me did also. Same line of the family, so I think that at least, one generation just got tired of correcting people and some were firm. Also with the spelling, it was likely the same reason when someone pronounced the name Rall, Census takers and others spelled it as it sounds. I have no proof, just my thoughts. I remember an interesting story someone wrote to me many years ago. A single lady went into a bank in Cincinnati and asked for a loan. Being a single woman and the early 1900's also was not good for this type of thing but because her name was Roll, she got the loan. Evidently, in Ohio, the Roll name is well known and well respected. I received hundreds of letters from family members on their line of the family. A lot of people have been connected to the records but a lot have not been. I have a very large notebook of not-connected Roll's. A lot of it may only be missing a generation to put it into one book or the other. When I connect someone, I send them pages of the work. I still get cards from some of these people. I worked on our genealogy for years and sent out genealogy to other people as I found their ancestry, but could not get our own. I had it back to William Alexander & Lucy Ann Elizabeth (Cummings) Roll and had it forward to Jacob & Betsey (Mills) Roll. A second cousin in California sent the missing link. William Alexander Roll parents were: Joseph & Nancy (Bennett or Barnet) Roll. I was so thrilled to finally make the connection, I sent a full copy of what I had at the time. You wouldn't believe the letters I received that asked how we pronounced the name. Sorry to carry on. When it comes to Genealogy, I am a long winded person. Best wishes, Martha

I can't find George L. Mitchell in the Index of my records. Charles W. Roll is Charles Wesley Roll, 12th child of Wesley & Anne (Smith) Roll. He was married to Mary Cordelia (DeBaun) in 1868 at Newark, N.J. and they lived there. Charles W. Manning was the 2nd child of Phoebe Van Dyke (Roll) & Charles G. Manning. Phoebe was the 2nd child of Isaac & Catherine (Van Dyke) Roll. Isaac was the 8th child of Abraham & Prudence (Vance) Roll. Abraham was the 2nd child of John & 1st wife, Rachel (Van Winkle) Roll. John was the 1st child of John & Elizabeth (Sickles) Roll. Charles W. Manning married Mattie Cook Sprague. Walter Roll was Walter Harrison Roll, 8th child of Isaac Clausen & Harriet N. (Freeman) Roll. Isaac Clausen was the 5th child of Isaac & Susan (Whitehead) Roll. Isaac was the 10th child of Abraham & 2nd wife, Catherine (Vreeland) Roll. Abraham was the 4th child of John & Elizabeth (Sickles) Roll. Walter Harrison Roll married: (1) Anna Kirkassner (or Kirschgassner) and (2) Lulu Schooley. I can't find the R.R. Franz in my Index. Washington McLean Roll was married to Sarah Amelia Brashears. The date of this meeting was December 21, 1889. Washington McLean Roll died January 12, 1890 of Typhoid Fever. He was the 9th child of Edward Charles & 2nd wife, Eliza Jane (Riddle) Roll. Edward Charles Roll was the 3rd child of Edward & Phebe (Lauder) Roll. Edward was the 8th child of John & 2nd wife, Edith (Wick) Roll. John was the 1st child of John & Elizabeth (Sickles) Roll. This Edward & Phebe (Lauder) Roll was buried in the Roll Cemetery at Dremen Avenue and West Fork Creek. The cemetery has been destroyed. Some interesting articles on Edward Roll can be found In the Cincinnati Times Star for March 16, 1905. The article is entitled IN OLD GRAVE YARD. Also in the Cincinnati Post for August 1, 1925 an article entitled REMEMBERED. I can't place this Jacob Roll of Hoboken, N.J. I have a lot of Jacob Roll's. The records that I have are far from being updated even after all these years. It's possible that this may be the Jacob Roll, brother to the Charles Wesley Roll from the beginning of this letter. Missed one. Maurice H. Stratemeyer was married to Annie Lucinda Roll. Annie Lucinda was the 3rd child of Jonathan Smith & Lucinda (Kidd) Roll. Jonathan Smith Roll was the 3rd child of Wesley & Anne (Smith) Roll. Wesley was the 9th child of John & Mary (Earl) Roll. John was the 1st child of Isaac & Sarah (Cauldwell) Roll. Isaac was the 3rd child of John & Elizabeth (Sickles) Roll. I thought it would be interesting to place these names. If anyone knows where the 3 belong that I couldn't place, I will appreciate knowing also. My records are a mess. I was a lot better at updating and keeping everything in order but the last 6 years have been a hassle and the genealogy suffered. Then I didn't know all this was on the internet or I would have gotten one of these fancy things a little sooner. Let me tell how much of a mess they are. A lady called last year during the Christmas Holidays. She was part of the Switzerland Family. She wanted some information and I promised to send it to her. I wrote the name and address down but with moving things around for the Holidays, it got mixed in with something and I haven't found that name and address since. I know I have it someplace. I am ashamed to say I didn't get the information to her before I lost the paper. I hope someone else enjoys this, I enjoyed looking it up. Best wishes, Martha

Nancy, Just my luck, now that I live in upstate New York, I could've used some land (so I could pay more of these exorbitant taxes). My family never referred to this line as anything but "Rall", but as you know, the Miami Valley Genealogical Index uses Roll and Rall inter-changeably - I've found Moses listed both ways. Interestingly, I did find Roll tombstones in the New Carlisle cemetery - I'll search for the names if anyone is interested. It's surprising that both spellings co-existed in the same area at the same time - do you suppose there was some sort of family fissure, perhaps over religious choices, etc. ? Ed

Hi again Martha: This is also my line, so thanks for sending it through the list. Most of the records from Ohio do show the spelling RALL. My grgr grandfather, Isaac Brooks RALL was the last of the ROLL males in my line and until I found his cemetery stone in Kansas, I was not sure how his name was spelled. My mother thought it was RAWL, changed from ROLF, she also thought he was from Virginia. I grew up thinking our 'ROLF' line had married Pocohontas! Maybe that is the reason I started my genealogy. Thanks again. ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]