Dear Robin, I'm buying genealogy books slowly. My copy of John Littell's "Family Records or Genealogies of the First Settlers of the Passaic Valley" came in the mail yesterday. I was looking through it for the ~third~ time, and found on pp. 68-70: James CAULDWELL/Mary GASTON *James' children by Mary: 1. *William Cauldwell/Elizabeth Thompson both from Ireland 1732 2. Robert Cauldwell/_____ 3. Hugh Cauldwell/Jane Parker 4. Abraham Cauldwell/Catherine Hill 5. James Cauldwell/Peggy ____ 6. John Cauldwell 7. Jennet Cauldwell/----- Miller ->8. Sarah CAULDWELL/Isaac ROLL <-------------------------My line William's children by Elizabeth 1. Aaron Cauldwell 2. James Cauldwell/Elizabeth Cauldwell 3. *John Cauldwell/Hannah Rutan 4. Mary Cauldwell/Nathaiel Littell 5. Moses Cauldwell 6. Sarah Cauldwell/Isarel Cory 7. Robert Cauldwell/Mary Ball 8. Elizabeth Cauldwell/Alexander Simpson 9. Dan Cauldwell/Rachel Potter 10. Abraham Cauldwell/Elizabeth Rutan John's children by Hannah 1. Rachel Cauldwell 2. John Cauldwell/Eleca Hand 3. Abraham Rutan Cauldwell/Electa Johnson /2. Aquilla Berry 4. Hugh Cauldwell d. 14 Nov 1822/Abigail Gibbs 5. Peter Rutan Cauldwell/Lecinah Fitch 6. *Robert M. Cauldwell/Betsy Cauldwell 7. Jerry Cauldwell/Mary Eliza Boyer Hugh's children by Abigail: 1. Jane Cauldwell b. 25 Oct 1812/Daniel Trembly ------->2. *Robert Cauldwell b. 05 Nov 1816/m. 16 May 1841 Julia Anne MARSH, ------------>daughter of Gideon MARSH of Westfield, ------------>live in Elizabethtown... 3. Hannah Maria Cauldwell b. 25 Dec 1818 4. William McDowel Cauldwell 5. Elizabeth Cauldwell Robert's children by Julia: 1. Freeman Cauldwell 2. George Cauldwell Could this be your Gideon MARSH? Do you have Littell's book. If Not, I can send copies of the pages, if you don't. -Bill _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll The genealogy of the ROLL, MANGEL and VAN WOGGELUM families "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."

Some of us on this list were on a private e-mail list and there was a lady whose Roll's went to Kansas, I don't believe she subscribed to this list. Give me a few days and I will try to contact her. My memory is getting very poor, so if you do not hear from me in a weeks time, remind me. Or did you already find someone on the list who had some information to share with you? ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Hello everyone: I hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving. This is just a reminder that starting Dec 1st everything sent through our list will be archived at Rootsweb. If you have something that you would prefer not to be archived, send it privately. E-mail addresses can be found in the headers of the mail. If you are not sure of addresses, send a message to the group and ask for them. Archives can/will be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/ If you have any problems with the archives, let me know and I can question Rootsweb. ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Will try to get back to you on Jacob early next week. I have always had Aaron as a son. Audrey, I think it was Rita Kuhbander who wanted more proof. Didn't know about the other three children. Martha, can you remember where you found them? Have either of you ever seen a Daniel as Jacob's son? ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Does anyone know how the little town of Roll, IN came to named such? Is there a history behind this naming? What county is it in? Audrey

Hello, again, I basically addressing this & my other e-mail to Martha & Nancy since we three are descended from Jacob & Elizabeth "Betsey" (MILLS) ROLL/RALL, but thought I'd address this to the whole ROLL-L in case there are other interested parties. Martha states that Jacob was a chairmaker in Cincinnati, OH. Does anyone know how long they were in Cincinnati & the resource for his being a chairmaker? Audrey

Hello, All, I am reviewing Martha's list of the children of Jacob ROLL/RALL & wife #1 Elizabeth "Betsey" MILLS. I note that Martha mentions Abigail, Nancy, & Betsey as children, bringing to 11 the number of children. Does anyone have have birthdates, etc. on these children. I only had 8 known children. Is everyone now in agreement that Aaron is also their son, since he was mentioned along with his mother in the will of his gm, Amy MILLS. I know some time ago there was debate over this. I think the will validates the fact that he was a child of Jacob & #1 Betsey's. Also, Martha says that Jacob ROLL/RALL married at New Providence, NJ to#2 Nancy PICKET/PECKET from New Brunswick, NJ. Is there a source for this marriage? I had his wife's name as "Ann." I know that the nickname or popular name for Nancy was Ann in those days, so are we talking about the same person? Martha names the children of Jacob & #2 Nancy as Hannah, John, & Jane. Does anyone have birthdates or additional information on these children? Hoping you all had your Thanksgiving fill, and if you are like us here in Portage, MI, you are eating leftovers. I'm not cooking today at all. Audrey

I have a sideways connection to the Roll family. My gggrandfather, John Kidd (1813-1875) had a daughter Lucinda Kidd (1834-1902) who married Jonathan Smith ROLL (1828-1904) 4 Sep 1851 in Elizabeth, Union, New Jersey. He was the son of Wesley Roll (1801-1855) and Anne Smith. Check out Wesley and Anne's stone markers on Bill Roll's windmill web site: http://members.aol.com/whroll. Lucinda and Jonathan had 5 children: John Joseph ROLL, born 4 Apr 1852, died 4 Sep 1853. Joseph Hedges ROLL, born 21 Apr 1854. Ann Lucinda ROLL, born 23 Sep 1860. William Henry ROLL, born 22 Nov 1862, died 28 Oct 1898. Fred Luther ROLL, born 20 Mar 1866, died 30 Aug 1866. You'll find more about this family on my web pages http://members.aol.com/RLCww. I have a few Roll members on my Kidd source pages. (btw, I am updating and redesigning my web pages soon.) ---Robin Chalmers in NH

Hi, everyone! My husband, Ronald L. Duncan, and myself (Dot) have just joined the Roll mailing list. As this is a distaff side, we are just beginning our research. We are impressed by the activity and enthusiasm of all the participants and hope that we will be able to contribute something in the very near future. So far, we have: Frieda Malissa Roll, b 17 Jun 1903 in Peck, Sumner Co, KS m. Berna O. SNIDER, b. 18 Dec 1902 in Fairgrove, Greene Co. MO, Frieda died 19 Nov 1978 and is buried at Arapaho Cemetery, Arapaho, OK. Berna died 05 Sept 1979 in Norman, Cleveland Co, OK and is also buried in Arapaho Cemetery. We don't have an exact wedding date yet. The Sniders had ten children. Parents of Frieda are RALPH ROLL, b. abt 1860 in MO,and JESSIE J. (SURNAME UNKNOWN), B. ABT 1881 IN kANSAS. Any info you would be willing to share to help us in our quest to link to to your family lines would certainly be appreciated. Thanks for allowing us to join your group. Ron and Dot Duncan, Tampa, Florida

According to the data I have: Jan Mangelese md. Volkie Janse Adrianensen Mangel Jansen Roll md. Annetje Hendriex Volcx Jan (Johannes) Roll md. Altje Bas Johannes (John) Mangel Roll md. Mary Nevis Benjamin Roll md. Sarah Culbertson John Roll md. Mary Westfall Harvey Roll md. Martha Jane Cunningham George Washington Roll md. Martha Florence Morris Lloyd Leland Roll md. Grace Aletha Bliss Betty Grace Roll md. Jack Lee Holt Although the spellings and some of the names in the data I have are quite different from some of the other members who are descended from "Jan Mangalese" also, I cannot account for.. Unless back in the beginning there was more than one Jan Mangelese that emmigrated from Europe back then and there are two lines of descent. Happy Thanksgiving to one and all! May you and yours have many blessings to be thankful for... as I and my family have.

Hello, All, I didn't find much. I sent a copy of the VAN WOGGELUM family information to Martha. I haven't had much time to delve into it yet to see what was there. Martha wanted me to check out something for her, so I copied & mailed it to her. Have a copy around here somewhere, but have been so busy with company coming & going. It is sitting in a pile somewhere with all your e-mails that I made hard copies of. Also, visited a university library here in Kalamazoo & have copied pages from a Clute book that shows the pews of a Dutch church which were occupied by the ROLLs & VAN WOGGELUMs. Does anyone have this? Possibly it could be scanned into a web site if it isn't copyright protected. Also, it gave an accounting of the slaves owned by the ROLL family. Anyone seen this book? Nancy, it was the same book from which I gleaned information of your LATOURETTE family. Well, I'll be busy here until Sunday. Children & grandchildren will be arriving & guess what Grandmother will be doing...cooking & cooking. So...I won't have much time on the Internet. Have a Happy Turkey Day. Will get back to you soon. Audrey ---------- > From: MRS NANCY N LOHBRUNNER > Subject: Roll - attn Audrey > Date: Monday, November 24, 1997 8:51 PM > > -- [ From: Nancy Lohbrunner * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- > > Hello Audrey: > > How was your trip to Ft Wayne and the Allen Co Pub Library? Were you > able to find anything the Roll's? Van Woggelum's? > > Thanks for sending all the Mills information. > > Nancy

My Roll lines are: Jan Mangelse/Tryntje Pieters Pieter Jans Roll/Jannetje DuChesne John Mangels Roll/Elizabeth Abraham Roll/Mary Brooks Jacob Roll/Elizabeth Mills Mary Rall/James Latourette and Moses Rall/Elizabeth Dew Wyatt Mary Jane Latourette/Isaac Brooks Rall first cousins Alice Catherine Rall/George Henning Daisy Henning/Hugh O'Neil Carrie O'Neil/John Bowman Nancy Bowman/Armin Lohbrunner ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

If anyone is interested there is a new mailing list for Ohio Counties CLARK and CHAMPAIGN. Send e-mail message to CLARK-CHAMPAIGN-L- [email protected] In the body of the message write subscribe nothing else, turn off signature lines. ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Hi Kathy: If you will look at the message below, you will see that it was sent to the ROLL list and everyone who subscribed to the list would have received a copy, even though it was for Audrey. I thought the group might be interested if Audrey found anything at the Library on the Roll's. ------------------------------------------------------------ Prodigy Mail: Personal Message 11/25/1997 ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "ROBERT SCHUEREN" Subject: Re: Roll - attn Audrey Sent On: 11/25 10:17 AM ET From: "ROBERT SCHUEREN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Roll - attn Audrey Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:04:45 -0600 Message-ID: <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"7RHj1.A.i8.Kmte0"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/131 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] HELLO, MY NAME IS KATHY. WHY DO I KEEP GETTING AUDRY'S MAIL? -----Original Message----- From: MRS NANCY N LOHBRUNNER <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 3:07 AM Subject: Roll - attn Audrey >-- [ From: Nancy Lohbrunner * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- > >Hello Audrey: > >How was your trip to Ft Wayne and the Allen Co Pub Library? Were you >able to find anything the Roll's? Van Woggelum's? > >Thanks for sending all the Mills information. > >Nancy > ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Hi Kathy, You are closer related to Lynn's line of the family. I'll send you her address and phone number. Her line: John & Elizabeth (Sickles) (?) Roll John & 1st wife, Rachel (Van Winkle) Roll Matthias & Mary (Rutan) Roll Matthias & 2nd wife, Lucy (Williams) Roll Oscar Boone & Josephine (Cochran) Roll Marion William & Bertha Olive (Farr) Roll Thelma Lynn Roll m. Melvin C. "Red" Kennedy. The 2 Matthias Roll's are buried at Roll, Indiana. I have this notation at the bottom of Matthias & Mary (Rutan) Roll, page. Matthias Roll settled the little town of Roll, Indiana in Blackford Co., on SR. 18. Since there were a few oil wells in the area of Dundee, the little town was rather prosperous. Matthias rode his horse to the near-by county seat, Hartford City, to pick up the mail and deliver it to the residents of the small town. When the mail became too heavy for one horse and rider, the government decided it was time to give Dundee a post office of it's own. However, there was already a Dundee in Indiana, so the name of the town was changed to ROLL in honor of Matthias. On May 21, 1859, Matthias deeded land for the Roll School House (District # 2), Washington, Twp. He also deeded land to William S. Roll on September 30, 1856. Matthias and two other people gave land for the Church and Cemetery where he, Lucy and some of their children are buried. You might want to get in touch with Lynn. It looks like your parents and Lynn are 3rd cousins. Her address is: Mrs. T. Lynn (Roll) Kennedy 1835 Dean Street Huntington, Indiana - 46750 Phone (219) 356-6650 If you call her, Kathy, tell her that I gave you the phone number and address and give her my best. I've been thinking about her a lot lately and intented to call last weekend and I will try to this weekend. She will be thrilled if you write or call her. Have a good day, Martha

YOU LOST MY LINE AT JANE ROLL .AND IT IS ELIZABETH SICKLES, DAUGHTER OF ROBERT SICKLES AND GEERTRUY REDNARS , BORN ON AUGUST 13,1707 AND MARRIED IN 1732. -----Original Message----- From: MICHAELVANBAAREN <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 1:49 AM Subject: My ROLL lineage > I'll go ahead and post my line again, too, for the new people on the >"list" > >Jan Mangelse md Tryntje Pieterse VanWOGGELUM > Pieter Janse ROLL md Jannetje DuCHESNE > Jan "John" ROLL md Elizabeth (STRICKHAUSER ?) > Jane ROLL md Thomas CORY > Betsey CORY md Josiah SMITH > William Elnathan SMITH md Margaret HELVEY > John Wesley SMITH md Elizabeth Ann MARTIN > Emory Bertis SMITH md Frances Evertine BUTCHER > Erma Elizabeth SMITH md Henry Lawson VanBAAREN > Robert Gordon VanBAAREN md Florence Christine MARSTON > Michael Gordon VanBAAREN md Kathleen Louise COLLINS > >I also have a genealogy web page at >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/2075 >if anyone is interested in checking it out. I hope everyone has a great >Thanksgiving! I plan to indulge in my mother's famous (and secret) orange >marmalade bread pudding! :) > >Michael >

HELLO, MY NAME IS KATHY. WHY DO I KEEP GETTING AUDRY'S MAIL? -----Original Message----- From: MRS NANCY N LOHBRUNNER <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 3:07 AM Subject: Roll - attn Audrey >-- [ From: Nancy Lohbrunner * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- > >Hello Audrey: > >How was your trip to Ft Wayne and the Allen Co Pub Library? Were you >able to find anything the Roll's? Van Woggelum's? > >Thanks for sending all the Mills information. > >Nancy >

John & Elizabeth (Sickles) (?) Roll Abraham & 1st wife, Mary (Brooks) Roll Jacob & 1st wife, Elizabeth (Mills) Roll Joseph & Nancy (Bennett or Barnet) Roll William Alexander & Lucy Ann Elizabeth (Ray) Cummings Roll James Hudson & 2nd wife, Louisa May (Totten) Roll William Riley & Golda Mae (Woolums) Roll Charles Hershell & Martha Jeanette (Rowell) Roll

This is my ROLL Family connection. Audrey *************************************************** Jan MANGELSE/ROLL/RALL mar Tryntje PIETERS Pieter Janse RALL mar Jannetje Du CHESNE Jan Mangels ROLL mar Elizabeth (UNKNOWN) or STRICHAUSER Abraham ROLL mar Mary BROOKS Jacob ROLL mar #1 Elizabeth "Betsey" MILLS (Betsy d NJ;Jacob to OH) Sarah "Sally" ROLL mar NJ to Ross DUNHAM (Went to OH) James DUNHAM (Sr.) mar #1 Anna SANDS James DUNHAM (Sr.) was a fifer in Civil War & returned home. James DUNHAM (Jr.) mar Margaret Elizabeth SLONAKER James DUNHAM (Jr.) was taken prisoner during Civil War & died at Andersonville Prison. Gideon Winfield CREAGER mar Mary Jane DUNHAM Raymond Dale SHIELDS mar Sarah Margaret CREAGER Dale Caleb SHIELDS mar Rita Marie Margaret LEHMANN Audrey Ann Patricia SHIELDS mar David Edward HANCOCK (Sr.)

I'll go ahead and post my line again, too, for the new people on the "list" Jan Mangelse md Tryntje Pieterse VanWOGGELUM Pieter Janse ROLL md Jannetje DuCHESNE Jan "John" ROLL md Elizabeth (STRICKHAUSER ?) Jane ROLL md Thomas CORY Betsey CORY md Josiah SMITH William Elnathan SMITH md Margaret HELVEY John Wesley SMITH md Elizabeth Ann MARTIN Emory Bertis SMITH md Frances Evertine BUTCHER Erma Elizabeth SMITH md Henry Lawson VanBAAREN Robert Gordon VanBAAREN md Florence Christine MARSTON Michael Gordon VanBAAREN md Kathleen Louise COLLINS I also have a genealogy web page at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/2075 if anyone is interested in checking it out. I hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving! I plan to indulge in my mother's famous (and secret) orange marmalade bread pudding! :) Michael