Thanks, Nancy, for your information. Audrey ---------- > From: MRS NANCY N LOHBRUNNER <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Jacob ROLL > Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 3:05 PM > > First of all, I would like to thank Martha for sending the data on > Jacob ROLL, especially all the dates. The following is ALL I have on > Jacob. > > Jacob ROLL b 8 Nov 1761 NJ, d 25 sep 1834 Clark Co., OH, buried New > Carlisle Cem, New Carlisle, Clark, OH > > m1)Elizabeth "Betsy" MILLS b abt 1763, d 18 Nov 1806 NJ buried > Baptist Cem, Scotch Plains Twp, NJ > > m2)Ann > > Issue of m1: > > 1. Aaron b abt 1782 NJ, d 21 Mar 1835 OH, buried New Carlisle Cem, > New Carlisle, Clark, OH m Mary Hall b abt 1790 d 6 Dec 1850 New > Carlisle (Cem) > 1.1 Sophia b abt 1807 d 11 Oct 1833 New Carlisle (Cem) > 1.2 Hannah (?) d 1849 m 30 Mar 1829 Clark Co, OH Lawson T. Herman > 1.3 Elizabeth b 16 Oct 1814 New Carlisle (LDS) > 1.4 Mary m 30 May 1837 Clark Co OH George W. Stewart > 1.5 Lucinda I. Born abt 1833 > > 2. Sarah "Sally" b abt 1784 NJ d abt 1780 New Carlisle Cem m 30 Aug > 1807 Presbyterian Church, Westfield, Union, NJ Ross Dunham > 2.1 Jacob R. B 18 Feb 1815 NJ, d 30 May 1898 New Carlisle Cem m Anna > Black > 2.2. James m Anna Sands > > 3. Mary b 6 Dec 1794 NJ, d 21 Nov 1877 New Carlisle Cem, m 18 Apr > 1815 Springfield, Union, NJ James Latourrette (s/b LaTourette)b 3 Oct > 1794 Freehold, Monmouth, NJ, d 7 Nov 1877 New Carlisle Cem > 3.1 John Latourette b 1815 NJ d 26 Aug 1855 New Carlisle Cem m 24 > Dec 1838 Elizabeth ROLL Clark Co, OH > 3.2 David m 28 Jan 1847 Joanna RALL > 3.3 Henry m 14 May 1847 Clark Co., OH Maria P. QUICK > 3.4 Elizabeth Ann b abt 1820 m 11 Mar 1844 Clark Co, OH Daniel > PUTNAM > 3.5 Joseph b abt 1824 NJ m 25 Jul 1850 Clark OH Lucinda DELLINGER > 3.6 Margaret b 14 Jan 1826 OH d 1 sep 1864 Durbin Erastus Rd. Cem, > Rockford, OH m 17 Dec 1846 Clark, OH William DELLINGER > 3.7 James b 20 Jul 1827 OH d 11 Mar 1900 Eel River Cem, Eel River > Twp, Allen, IN m 22 Aug 1855 Allen, IN Mary Jane WATERSON > 3.8 Mary Jane b 8 Oct 1830 OH, d 20 May 1904 Plevna Cem, Plevna, > Reno, KS m 20 Jul 1850 Clark, OH Isaac Brooks RALL (my line) > 3.9 Robert b 1833 OH, d 1911 New Carlisle Cem, Clark, OH m 26 Jul > 1860 Clark, OH Sarah Jane HOLMAN > > > 4. Philemon b 1793/1794, d 26 Jan 1828 New Carlisle Cem, Clark, OH m1 > 5 Dec 1820 Clark Co, OH Elizabeth HATTEN, m2 9 Oct 1826 Margaret > NEEPER > 4.1 Jonathan B. Born 15 May 1821 OH, d 24 Jun 1845 New Carlisle Cem, > Clark, OH > 4.2 Daniel S. W. Born Jan 1824 OH, d 29 Nov 1845 New Carlisle Cem, > Clark, OH. > > 6. Moses b 1 Dec 1797 NJ, d 10 Apr 1868 New Carlisle Cem, Clark, OH > m1 11 Dec 1821 Miami Co., OH Elizabeth Dew WYATT; m2 16 Oct 1849 > Susan LUCAS > 6.1 James b 24 Aug 1823, d abt 1874 m 21 Dec 1846 Greene Co, OH > Margaret Ann FRICK > 6.2 Rebecca Ann b 11 Sep 1825 m 19 Jan 1847 Clark, OH Joseph H. > PUTNAM > 6.3 Joanna b 27 dec 1827, m 28 Jan 1847 Clark, OH David LATOURETTE > 6.4 Isaac Brooks b 3 Dec 1829 Clark, OH d 1910 Plevna Cem, Plevna, > Reno, KS, m 20 Jul 1850 Clark, OH Mary Jane LATOURETTE (my line) > 6.5 Margaret Ann b 19 Jan 1832 Shelby, OH, d 29 Sep 1922, m 11 Nov > 1851 Clark, OH Isaac James BURNS (Ed's line) > 6.6 Hannah b 22 Oct 1843 OH d aft 1890 > 6.7 Rachel Amanda b 13 Sep 1836, d aft 1890 m KENDALL > > 7. Jacob b 1 Jul 1799 NJ, d 27 Aug 1863 New Carlisle Cem, m 22 Jan > 1827 Miami Co., OH Lucinda HERMAN > 7.1 Eliza b abt 1833 OH > 7.2 Hannah (I might have mixed 2 Hannah's up, one married a MILLER) > 7.3 male b 1839 d 11 Feb 1839 New Carlisle Cem > 7.4 Catharine b abt 1842 OH > > 8. Joseph b 18 Jan 1802 NJ b 29 Oct 1846 New Carlisle cem m Elizabeth > (I should check Miami Co, OH for marriage records) > > 9. Abraham R. born 4 Feb 1804, d 1 Jul 1825 New Carlisle Cem, never > married. Named in fathers will, "Abraham, an Idiot". (Isn't that > terrible? It is heart breaking, hope someone loved him after his > mother died when he was two.) > > > Nancy

Hello, From someone & I don't have a reference, it was said that Aaron also had sons Jacob & Daniel and of course, Philemon had sons Daniel & Jonathan. Could these be the ones mentioned in the partition suit? Audrey ---------- > From: MRS NANCY N LOHBRUNNER <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Jacob ROLL > Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 3:05 PM > > First of all, I would like to thank Martha for sending the data on > Jacob ROLL, especially all the dates. The following is ALL I have on > Jacob. > > Jacob ROLL b 8 Nov 1761 NJ, d 25 sep 1834 Clark Co., OH, buried New > Carlisle Cem, New Carlisle, Clark, OH > > m1)Elizabeth "Betsy" MILLS b abt 1763, d 18 Nov 1806 NJ buried > Baptist Cem, Scotch Plains Twp, NJ > > m2)Ann > > Issue of m1: > > 1. Aaron b abt 1782 NJ, d 21 Mar 1835 OH, buried New Carlisle Cem, > New Carlisle, Clark, OH m Mary Hall b abt 1790 d 6 Dec 1850 New > Carlisle (Cem) > 1.1 Sophia b abt 1807 d 11 Oct 1833 New Carlisle (Cem) > 1.2 Hannah (?) d 1849 m 30 Mar 1829 Clark Co, OH Lawson T. Herman > 1.3 Elizabeth b 16 Oct 1814 New Carlisle (LDS) > 1.4 Mary m 30 May 1837 Clark Co OH George W. Stewart > 1.5 Lucinda I. Born abt 1833 > > 2. Sarah "Sally" b abt 1784 NJ d abt 1780 New Carlisle Cem m 30 Aug > 1807 Presbyterian Church, Westfield, Union, NJ Ross Dunham > 2.1 Jacob R. B 18 Feb 1815 NJ, d 30 May 1898 New Carlisle Cem m Anna > Black > 2.2. James m Anna Sands > > 3. Mary b 6 Dec 1794 NJ, d 21 Nov 1877 New Carlisle Cem, m 18 Apr > 1815 Springfield, Union, NJ James Latourrette (s/b LaTourette)b 3 Oct > 1794 Freehold, Monmouth, NJ, d 7 Nov 1877 New Carlisle Cem > 3.1 John Latourette b 1815 NJ d 26 Aug 1855 New Carlisle Cem m 24 > Dec 1838 Elizabeth ROLL Clark Co, OH > 3.2 David m 28 Jan 1847 Joanna RALL > 3.3 Henry m 14 May 1847 Clark Co., OH Maria P. QUICK > 3.4 Elizabeth Ann b abt 1820 m 11 Mar 1844 Clark Co, OH Daniel > PUTNAM > 3.5 Joseph b abt 1824 NJ m 25 Jul 1850 Clark OH Lucinda DELLINGER > 3.6 Margaret b 14 Jan 1826 OH d 1 sep 1864 Durbin Erastus Rd. Cem, > Rockford, OH m 17 Dec 1846 Clark, OH William DELLINGER > 3.7 James b 20 Jul 1827 OH d 11 Mar 1900 Eel River Cem, Eel River > Twp, Allen, IN m 22 Aug 1855 Allen, IN Mary Jane WATERSON > 3.8 Mary Jane b 8 Oct 1830 OH, d 20 May 1904 Plevna Cem, Plevna, > Reno, KS m 20 Jul 1850 Clark, OH Isaac Brooks RALL (my line) > 3.9 Robert b 1833 OH, d 1911 New Carlisle Cem, Clark, OH m 26 Jul > 1860 Clark, OH Sarah Jane HOLMAN > > > 4. Philemon b 1793/1794, d 26 Jan 1828 New Carlisle Cem, Clark, OH m1 > 5 Dec 1820 Clark Co, OH Elizabeth HATTEN, m2 9 Oct 1826 Margaret > NEEPER > 4.1 Jonathan B. Born 15 May 1821 OH, d 24 Jun 1845 New Carlisle Cem, > Clark, OH > 4.2 Daniel S. W. Born Jan 1824 OH, d 29 Nov 1845 New Carlisle Cem, > Clark, OH. > > 6. Moses b 1 Dec 1797 NJ, d 10 Apr 1868 New Carlisle Cem, Clark, OH > m1 11 Dec 1821 Miami Co., OH Elizabeth Dew WYATT; m2 16 Oct 1849 > Susan LUCAS > 6.1 James b 24 Aug 1823, d abt 1874 m 21 Dec 1846 Greene Co, OH > Margaret Ann FRICK > 6.2 Rebecca Ann b 11 Sep 1825 m 19 Jan 1847 Clark, OH Joseph H. > PUTNAM > 6.3 Joanna b 27 dec 1827, m 28 Jan 1847 Clark, OH David LATOURETTE > 6.4 Isaac Brooks b 3 Dec 1829 Clark, OH d 1910 Plevna Cem, Plevna, > Reno, KS, m 20 Jul 1850 Clark, OH Mary Jane LATOURETTE (my line) > 6.5 Margaret Ann b 19 Jan 1832 Shelby, OH, d 29 Sep 1922, m 11 Nov > 1851 Clark, OH Isaac James BURNS (Ed's line) > 6.6 Hannah b 22 Oct 1843 OH d aft 1890 > 6.7 Rachel Amanda b 13 Sep 1836, d aft 1890 m KENDALL > > 7. Jacob b 1 Jul 1799 NJ, d 27 Aug 1863 New Carlisle Cem, m 22 Jan > 1827 Miami Co., OH Lucinda HERMAN > 7.1 Eliza b abt 1833 OH > 7.2 Hannah (I might have mixed 2 Hannah's up, one married a MILLER) > 7.3 male b 1839 d 11 Feb 1839 New Carlisle Cem > 7.4 Catharine b abt 1842 OH > > 8. Joseph b 18 Jan 1802 NJ b 29 Oct 1846 New Carlisle cem m Elizabeth > (I should check Miami Co, OH for marriage records) > > 9. Abraham R. born 4 Feb 1804, d 1 Jul 1825 New Carlisle Cem, never > married. Named in fathers will, "Abraham, an Idiot". (Isn't that > terrible? It is heart breaking, hope someone loved him after his > mother died when he was two.) > > > Nancy

Sorry, I goofed. I did not leave out any children in Jacob Roll's line, just numbered incorrectly. Nancy

The following is why I question whether there was a son named Daniel of Jacob ROLL and Elizabeth MILLS. "Clark County, Ohio Newspaper Abstracts, 1837. Vol IV" Clark county Genealogical Society, 1991, compiled by Anne Snodgrass, 1977-1978. "Springfield Ohio Pioneer & Clark County Advertiser" p 9. "Petition for partition. James Lattourette & wife, Ross Dunham & wife vs. Jacob Rolle, Daniel Rolle etc., heirs of Jacob Rolle Sr., dec'd. Jacob Rolle of the state of Illinois, Daniel Rolle of the state of New York, children of Aaron Rolle dec'd., non residents of Ohio and other residents of Ohio, heirs at law & legal representatives of Jacob Rolle Sen., late of Clark County Ohio are notified March 23, 1837 that James Lattourette and Mary his wife, late Rolle, Ross Dunham and Sarah his wife, late Rolle filed against defendants to demand partition of NW 7 NE Q Sec 26 T R 9 between the Miami's. Mason & Torbert." April 7, 1837." Am I reading this incorrectly? Does anyone have an opinion? Help! Nancy

First of all, I would like to thank Martha for sending the data on Jacob ROLL, especially all the dates. The following is ALL I have on Jacob. Jacob ROLL b 8 Nov 1761 NJ, d 25 sep 1834 Clark Co., OH, buried New Carlisle Cem, New Carlisle, Clark, OH m1)Elizabeth "Betsy" MILLS b abt 1763, d 18 Nov 1806 NJ buried Baptist Cem, Scotch Plains Twp, NJ m2)Ann Issue of m1: 1. Aaron b abt 1782 NJ, d 21 Mar 1835 OH, buried New Carlisle Cem, New Carlisle, Clark, OH m Mary Hall b abt 1790 d 6 Dec 1850 New Carlisle (Cem) 1.1 Sophia b abt 1807 d 11 Oct 1833 New Carlisle (Cem) 1.2 Hannah (?) d 1849 m 30 Mar 1829 Clark Co, OH Lawson T. Herman 1.3 Elizabeth b 16 Oct 1814 New Carlisle (LDS) 1.4 Mary m 30 May 1837 Clark Co OH George W. Stewart 1.5 Lucinda I. Born abt 1833 2. Sarah "Sally" b abt 1784 NJ d abt 1780 New Carlisle Cem m 30 Aug 1807 Presbyterian Church, Westfield, Union, NJ Ross Dunham 2.1 Jacob R. B 18 Feb 1815 NJ, d 30 May 1898 New Carlisle Cem m Anna Black 2.2. James m Anna Sands 3. Mary b 6 Dec 1794 NJ, d 21 Nov 1877 New Carlisle Cem, m 18 Apr 1815 Springfield, Union, NJ James Latourrette (s/b LaTourette)b 3 Oct 1794 Freehold, Monmouth, NJ, d 7 Nov 1877 New Carlisle Cem 3.1 John Latourette b 1815 NJ d 26 Aug 1855 New Carlisle Cem m 24 Dec 1838 Elizabeth ROLL Clark Co, OH 3.2 David m 28 Jan 1847 Joanna RALL 3.3 Henry m 14 May 1847 Clark Co., OH Maria P. QUICK 3.4 Elizabeth Ann b abt 1820 m 11 Mar 1844 Clark Co, OH Daniel PUTNAM 3.5 Joseph b abt 1824 NJ m 25 Jul 1850 Clark OH Lucinda DELLINGER 3.6 Margaret b 14 Jan 1826 OH d 1 sep 1864 Durbin Erastus Rd. Cem, Rockford, OH m 17 Dec 1846 Clark, OH William DELLINGER 3.7 James b 20 Jul 1827 OH d 11 Mar 1900 Eel River Cem, Eel River Twp, Allen, IN m 22 Aug 1855 Allen, IN Mary Jane WATERSON 3.8 Mary Jane b 8 Oct 1830 OH, d 20 May 1904 Plevna Cem, Plevna, Reno, KS m 20 Jul 1850 Clark, OH Isaac Brooks RALL (my line) 3.9 Robert b 1833 OH, d 1911 New Carlisle Cem, Clark, OH m 26 Jul 1860 Clark, OH Sarah Jane HOLMAN 4. Philemon b 1793/1794, d 26 Jan 1828 New Carlisle Cem, Clark, OH m1 5 Dec 1820 Clark Co, OH Elizabeth HATTEN, m2 9 Oct 1826 Margaret NEEPER 4.1 Jonathan B. Born 15 May 1821 OH, d 24 Jun 1845 New Carlisle Cem, Clark, OH 4.2 Daniel S. W. Born Jan 1824 OH, d 29 Nov 1845 New Carlisle Cem, Clark, OH. 6. Moses b 1 Dec 1797 NJ, d 10 Apr 1868 New Carlisle Cem, Clark, OH m1 11 Dec 1821 Miami Co., OH Elizabeth Dew WYATT; m2 16 Oct 1849 Susan LUCAS 6.1 James b 24 Aug 1823, d abt 1874 m 21 Dec 1846 Greene Co, OH Margaret Ann FRICK 6.2 Rebecca Ann b 11 Sep 1825 m 19 Jan 1847 Clark, OH Joseph H. PUTNAM 6.3 Joanna b 27 dec 1827, m 28 Jan 1847 Clark, OH David LATOURETTE 6.4 Isaac Brooks b 3 Dec 1829 Clark, OH d 1910 Plevna Cem, Plevna, Reno, KS, m 20 Jul 1850 Clark, OH Mary Jane LATOURETTE (my line) 6.5 Margaret Ann b 19 Jan 1832 Shelby, OH, d 29 Sep 1922, m 11 Nov 1851 Clark, OH Isaac James BURNS (Ed's line) 6.6 Hannah b 22 Oct 1843 OH d aft 1890 6.7 Rachel Amanda b 13 Sep 1836, d aft 1890 m KENDALL 7. Jacob b 1 Jul 1799 NJ, d 27 Aug 1863 New Carlisle Cem, m 22 Jan 1827 Miami Co., OH Lucinda HERMAN 7.1 Eliza b abt 1833 OH 7.2 Hannah (I might have mixed 2 Hannah's up, one married a MILLER) 7.3 male b 1839 d 11 Feb 1839 New Carlisle Cem 7.4 Catharine b abt 1842 OH 8. Joseph b 18 Jan 1802 NJ b 29 Oct 1846 New Carlisle cem m Elizabeth (I should check Miami Co, OH for marriage records) 9. Abraham R. born 4 Feb 1804, d 1 Jul 1825 New Carlisle Cem, never married. Named in fathers will, "Abraham, an Idiot". (Isn't that terrible? It is heart breaking, hope someone loved him after his mother died when he was two.) Nancy

I think the Kansas census microfilms are restricted at the LDS, I was correct yesterday, you can borrow them through inter library loan from the Kansas Historical Society. I have not checked out their web site yet, the URL is http://history.cc.ukans.edu/heritage/kshs/resource/findpeop.htm By the looks of the URL, you might be able to do a search at this site. Most likely the regular site is same as above but probably through heritage/. Hope it works, sorry I didn't have time to try it before sending it to you. Good luck. Nancy ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Hi, Thanks for sharing this information. Will need to probably go to Cincinnati some time for research. Been there a few times to work on other lines. Live in MI. Didn't realize until I got Martha's message that Jacob ROLL was in Cincinnati. Thanks again. Audrey ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Roll---city directories > Date: Sunday, November 30, 1997 2:59 PM > > Audrey, > If you don't find the source for the Cincinnati chairmaker, you should check > if there are extant city directories for the area. These pre-phone books are > fascinating because they often list head of household, street address, > sometimes work address, and occupation. I've been very successful using these > books. In Fall River, MA, I found my family moving all over the city, and > even found a business ad for the father! I found another family in Utica, and > at first I couldn't understand why the listing was under Mrs. from 1849-1853. > Guess why? The husband went to the California Gold Rush! He did come back for > his family! I even discovered a family in Michigan and figured out when one > guy moved out of his parents' house, when he married, divorced, and married > again. It's an interesting way to track a family, without waiting 10 years > for the census taker to drop by. Good luck! > ---Robin

-- [ From: Nancy Lohbrunner * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Hi Ron and Dot: It will take me a couple more days to get in touch with the other researcher, meanwhile you might want to join the KS-KIN mailing list. I belong to it and I know others have asked about census reports. You can join and inquire about the census, I'm sure someone will be able to tell you what to do. Seems to me (I'm guessing) that census microfilm can be had through inter-library loan from the Kansas Historical Society. The KS-KIN list may be an open list and you might be able to post a query without subscribing if you do not want to join. Send a query to KS-KIN- [email protected] make sure you write to reply to you and not the list. To subscribe to the list send e-mail to [email protected] in the body of the message put subscribe KS-KIN-L first name last name nothing else as it is read by a computer. The first and last names will be your own name. The Kansas Historical Society does have a web site, but I do not know what it is. You might try to find it through one of the search engine. They might even have the census microfilm numbers posted. My grgr-grandparents, Issac Brooks RALL (was Roll) and wife Mary Jane LaTourette went from Ohio to Indiana to Kansas where they homesteaded and eventually died there. TTYS, -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Saturday, 29-Nov-97 11:03 PM From: Ronanddot \ America On-Line: (ronanddot) To: ROLL-L \ Internet: ([email protected]) Subject: Re: ROLL - attn: Ron & Dot Thanks for your response, Nancy. No, we've not heard from anyone except you - we have no idea where to look for more info, as Kansas census reports are not available locally and didn't know where to secure them. Also, felt it not necessary to repeat someone's else work, except to secure documentation. Any leads or clues will be gratefully appreciated. Thanks again, Ron and Dot -------- REPLY, End of original message --------

I am forwarding a message from Rootsweb. << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> From: Brian Leverich Subject: Archives Delayed ... Date: 11/30 Time: 10:23 PM Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233. 233]) by pimaia1w.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA63346; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:21:02 -0500 Received: (from [email protected]) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23097; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:07:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:07:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] cc: "Dr. Brian Leverich" <[email protected]> Reply-to: [email protected] Subject: Archives Delayed ... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:54:01 -0800 From: Brian Leverich <[email protected]> Resent-Message-ID: <"j7f3FD.A.70E.ZTig0"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/23 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Hi all - Modest bad news: Marc and Karen are ready, but I've just now finished some essential hacks down in the C++ bowels of the Isearch search engine. That's thrown the schedule off, we're going to have to delay the start of the full archive implementation. There's not a lot of work left to do, but it may be as much as two weeks before we turn the full implementation on because of the interplay of consulting assignments (Karen and I have to eat ... ), the December RSL (which comes out next weekend), and other things. That two week delay is a worst-case estimate, though -- I think we'll have most or all of the archives software online much sooner than that. Tim Pierce, if you want to get a X-NO-ARCHIVES blocker built into SmartList's procmail filters, hack fast. You have a little time ... Everybody, sorry for the delay. -B -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD- L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb. com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 [email protected] com << End of Forwarded message >> ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Found in the Nov/Dec 1997 issue of NGS Newsletter: VOUGHT/VAUGHT, CRUM/CROM, ROLL: Seek info on Christian Vought; wife Hannah Crum (Crom). Recorded in Frederick Co., MD 1759-1765. After his death, farm in Cumberland Co., PA sold in 1781. Children: Gilbert, John, Simon, Christena, Margaret, and William. Gilbert, John, and Christena (husband Michael Roll) went to Kentucky. This Christian, not Dr Christian Vought of Lancaster Co., PA. >> Pearl O Smith, 217 East Elm St, Marion, KY 42064. Btw, I have no idea what last line means.

I have come across some more headstones, these are from copies originally sent to me by Nancy: - AARON RALL DIED Mar.21, 1835 Aged 52 ys 11 mo (on same stone) MARY WIFE OF AARON RALL DIED Dec. 6, 1850 Aged 66 ys (?)mos 26 ds (nearby)SOPHIA BARTON The Mother of MARY RALL DIED Nov. 22, 1850 aged 82 ys 1 m 25d (on same stone)SOPHIA Daughter of AARON & MARY RALL DIED Oct. 11, 1833 aged (illegible) - Philip Rall who died Jan26th 1828 aged 34 years 4 ms & 9 days - IN Memory of Elizabeth, wife of Philip Rall who died April 15th 1824 aged 23 years Martha, I would greatly appreciate a copy of the will. Ed

Audrey, If you don't find the source for the Cincinnati chairmaker, you should check if there are extant city directories for the area. These pre-phone books are fascinating because they often list head of household, street address, sometimes work address, and occupation. I've been very successful using these books. In Fall River, MA, I found my family moving all over the city, and even found a business ad for the father! I found another family in Utica, and at first I couldn't understand why the listing was under Mrs. from 1849-1853. Guess why? The husband went to the California Gold Rush! He did come back for his family! I even discovered a family in Michigan and figured out when one guy moved out of his parents' house, when he married, divorced, and married again. It's an interesting way to track a family, without waiting 10 years for the census taker to drop by. Good luck! ---Robin

Bill, Where did you buy Littel's Passaic Valley book? And how much was it? Thanks! ---Robin

Bill, Thanks for thinking of me and my Marsh line! It looks like you found a sister, Julia Anne, for me. At first I was confused by this, but now I'm excited! You see, the year that Julia Anne Marsh married Robert Cauldwell 1841, was the same year Eliakim Marsh had a daughter named Julia Ann Marsh (b. 1841). On Eliakim's death certificate it does say his father was Gideon. And in the census index, there is a Gideon Marsh that I've considered, and he was in Westfield at one point. This is falling into place nicely. Yes, I'd love to have those pages photocopied. :) Maybe I can find Julia Anne's line somewhere else! I have used Littel's book before and it is very good, but also has mistakes large and small. My cousins' Townley line is in there, and Littel has Matthias Townley christened in 1751 yet his supposed father was born 1760. Odd, that. I have the feeling that our family lines will bump again because I keep reading the same names over and over again in the greater Elizabeth, NJ, area. Robin Chalmers

At 03:35 PM 11-30-1997 -0500, you wrote: >Bill, >Where did you buy Littel's Passaic Valley book? And how much was it? Thanks! >---Robin > Robin, Well, Robin, I owe you a few favors. I know Littell is not accurate sometimes, but he's valuable as a starting point. There is no index. Rats! I got mine from... Willow Bend Books 39475 Tollhouse Road Lovettsville, VA 20180-1817 http://www.mediasoft.net/ScottC $41.00 price 4.00 shipping and handling ------ $45.00 Total It is a 1997 printing; costs are high for printing and binding nowdays. Its not sewn, typical paperback. I hope the glue lasts. Several other recently printed genealogy books I've purchased had sewn bindings, and the prices seemed about the same as the Littell book. The book arrived in four days. They said I didn't have to pay for it until it arrived. Nice people. Quite a few good books for New Jersey and New York are there. Probably from many other states too. I couldn't find a phone number. They probably don't believe in phones! Hoping you had a nice Thanksgiving, -Bill _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll The genealogy of the ROLL, MANGEL and VAN WOGGELUM families "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."

Thanks, Martha, for this information. I'll add it to my information & see if I come up with anything different, but looks like you had more than I did. By the way, for all of you interested, some of the information about this family & his having a grist mill & selling out to go to OH can be found in John LITTELL's, Genealogies of the First Settlers of Passiac Valley (NJ) & Vicinity, 1852. Audrey ---------- > From: Martha Roll <[email protected]> > To: Roll <[email protected]> > Subject: P. 9 - Jacob Roll > Date: Saturday, November 29, 1997 9:42 PM > > Cont. from Page 5. > 9. > JACOB ROLL M. 1782 ELIZABETH MILLS > b. 12/08/1761 b. 03/22/1764 > d. 09/25/1834 d. 11/18/1806 > > THEIR CHILDREN > > 1. AARON b. 02/21/1783 d. 03/23/1835 > Married: Polly (Mary) b. d. 12/06/1850 > M. 12/29/1806 > > 2. SALLY (Sarah) b. 01/18/1785 d. Sept. 1870 > Married: Ross Dunham > M. 08/30/1807 Mormon Records, N.J. > > 3. ABIGAIL b. 07/06/1787 d. 08/16/1788 > > 4. NANCY b. 08/06/1789 d. 08/12/1812 > Married: Oliver Elsworth > M. 04/28/1811 Essex Co., N.J. Marriage Rec. > > 5. MARY b. 12/06/1791 d.11/21/1877 > Married: James Lattourrette > M. 04/18/1815 Essex Co., N.J. > > 6. PHILIP (Philamon) b. 09/17/1793 d. 01/06/1828 > > 7. MOSES b. 12/01/1797 d. 04/10/1868 > Married: Elizabeth Dew Wyatt b. 06/03/1802 d. 04/26/1849 > M. 12/11/1821 Miami Co., Ohio > > 8. JACOB b. 07/04/1799 d. 08/27/1863 > Married: Lucinda Herman b. 06/11/1808 d. 12/12/1849 > M. 01/22/1827 > > Page 200. 9. JOSEPH b. 01/08/1802 d. 10/29/1846 > Married: Nancy Bennett (Barnet) > M. 02/25/1825 > > 10. ABRAM (Abraham) b. 01/04/1804 d. 07/01/1825 > > 11. BETSEY b. 09/11/1805 d. 01/03/1886 > Married: Conrad Deel > M. 02/18/1825 Miami Co., Ohio > > 2nd MARRIAGE M. 04/11/1810 NANCY PICKET (PECKET) ? > > Page 366. 12. HANNAH b. 02/23/1811 d. 10/24/1849 > Married: Lawson D. Hermon > M. 03/30/1829 Clark Co., Ohio > > 13. JOHN b. 01/14/1814 d. 11/30/1834 > > 14. JANE b. 01/14/1819 d. 11/04/1834 > > JACOB ROLL owned the Grist Mill at New Providence, N.J. for several years. > He sold out and went to Ohio. No date. He was a Chairmaker in Cincinnati, > Ohio. > > Nancy Picket (Pecket) was from New Brunswick, N.J. She married Jacob Roll > at New Providence, N.J. > > Ref: Jacob Roll WILL > N.J. Mormon Record > Essex Co., N.J. Marriages > Clark Co., Ohio Marriages > Isaac Clifford Roll Records > >

My message with Attn: Kathy on 11/25 gave the account for Roll, Indiana to have it's name changed from Dundee to Roll. It is in Blackford Co., Indiana, just East of Marion, Indiana on S.R. 18. I sent, tonight, P. 9 from my records, on Jacob & 1st wife, Elizabeth Mills and 2nd wife, Nancy Picket (Pecket) Roll. This is my entire page with birth and death dates for all that I have on the family. If I have a page # to the left of the child's name, I have more information on that family. I have a copy of Jacob Roll's WILL and it is on the little disk and I can send a copy of that to anyone who wants it. The move to Ohio had to be after the marriage to Nancy since I have it they were married at New Providence, N.J. Nancy, I don't have Daniel as their son but that doesn't mean he wasn't. My records are not complete and if you notice, I don't have middle names for any of these children. I have spent the entire evening at a friend's house who has a scanner. We finally, figured out how to get the WILL onto a little disk but did not figure out how to send it through E-Mail. I can get it from the disk and send it through E-Mail now but just couldn't get it to go direct from the scanner to the mail. They couldn't find the book on the scanner. If someone doesn't have this WILL and would like it, I can send it. In the Will, it does not mention Aaron but that could be a dispute in the family. It doesn't list the last 4 children either. It mentions his wife, not by name, as a cripple. Anyway, you can see for yourself. Since several people are descended from this line, you can help bring it more up to date. This page is not nearly as complete as many other pages in the notebook. Most pages, have a continued page # for every child or almost every child. I hope all this helps. Martha

Thanks for your response, Nancy. No, we've not heard from anyone except you - we have no idea where to look for more info, as Kansas census reports are not available locally and didn't know where to secure them. Also, felt it not necessary to repeat someone's else work, except to secure documentation. Any leads or clues will be gratefully appreciated. Thanks again, Ron and Dot

Cont. from Page 5. 9. JACOB ROLL M. 1782 ELIZABETH MILLS b. 12/08/1761 b. 03/22/1764 d. 09/25/1834 d. 11/18/1806 THEIR CHILDREN 1. AARON b. 02/21/1783 d. 03/23/1835 Married: Polly (Mary) b. d. 12/06/1850 M. 12/29/1806 2. SALLY (Sarah) b. 01/18/1785 d. Sept. 1870 Married: Ross Dunham M. 08/30/1807 Mormon Records, N.J. 3. ABIGAIL b. 07/06/1787 d. 08/16/1788 4. NANCY b. 08/06/1789 d. 08/12/1812 Married: Oliver Elsworth M. 04/28/1811 Essex Co., N.J. Marriage Rec. 5. MARY b. 12/06/1791 d.11/21/1877 Married: James Lattourrette M. 04/18/1815 Essex Co., N.J. 6. PHILIP (Philamon) b. 09/17/1793 d. 01/06/1828 7. MOSES b. 12/01/1797 d. 04/10/1868 Married: Elizabeth Dew Wyatt b. 06/03/1802 d. 04/26/1849 M. 12/11/1821 Miami Co., Ohio 8. JACOB b. 07/04/1799 d. 08/27/1863 Married: Lucinda Herman b. 06/11/1808 d. 12/12/1849 M. 01/22/1827 Page 200. 9. JOSEPH b. 01/08/1802 d. 10/29/1846 Married: Nancy Bennett (Barnet) M. 02/25/1825 10. ABRAM (Abraham) b. 01/04/1804 d. 07/01/1825 11. BETSEY b. 09/11/1805 d. 01/03/1886 Married: Conrad Deel M. 02/18/1825 Miami Co., Ohio 2nd MARRIAGE M. 04/11/1810 NANCY PICKET (PECKET) ? Page 366. 12. HANNAH b. 02/23/1811 d. 10/24/1849 Married: Lawson D. Hermon M. 03/30/1829 Clark Co., Ohio 13. JOHN b. 01/14/1814 d. 11/30/1834 14. JANE b. 01/14/1819 d. 11/04/1834 JACOB ROLL owned the Grist Mill at New Providence, N.J. for several years. He sold out and went to Ohio. No date. He was a Chairmaker in Cincinnati, Ohio. Nancy Picket (Pecket) was from New Brunswick, N.J. She married Jacob Roll at New Providence, N.J. Ref: Jacob Roll WILL N.J. Mormon Record Essex Co., N.J. Marriages Clark Co., Ohio Marriages Isaac Clifford Roll Records

At 10:44 PM 11-29-1997 -0600, you wrote: >My message with Attn: Kathy on 11/25 gave the account for Roll, Indiana to >have it's name changed from Dundee to Roll. It is in Blackford Co., >Indiana, just East of Marion, Indiana on S.R. 18. > I sent, tonight, P. 9 from my records, on Jacob & 1st wife, Elizabeth >Mills and 2nd wife, Nancy Picket (Pecket) Roll. This is my entire page >with birth and death dates for all that I have on the family. If I have a >page # to the left of the child's name, I have more information on that >family. I have a copy of Jacob Roll's WILL and it is on the little disk >and I can send a copy of that to anyone who wants it. The move to Ohio had >to be after the marriage to Nancy since I have it they were married at New >Providence, N.J. > Nancy, I don't have Daniel as their son but that doesn't mean he >wasn't. My records are not complete and if you notice, I don't have >middle names for any of these children. > I have spent the entire evening at a friend's house who has a scanner. > We finally, figured out how to get the WILL onto a little disk but did not >figure out how to send it through E-Mail. I can get it from the disk and >send it through E-Mail now but just couldn't get it to go direct from the >scanner to the mail. They couldn't find the book on the scanner. If >someone doesn't have this WILL and would like it, I can send it. > In the Will, it does not mention Aaron but that could be a dispute in >the family. It doesn't list the last 4 children either. It mentions his >wife, not by name, as a cripple. >Anyway, you can see for yourself. > Since several people are descended from this line, you can help bring >it more up to date. This page is not nearly as complete as many other >pages in the notebook. Most pages, have a continued page # for every child >or almost every child. > I hope all this helps. >Martha > Martha and anyone else interested, You need a little Windows program called WinZip. You can download it over the internet, or I can send it to you. WinZip takes a binary file, like a scanned image, and shrinks and translates in into text so it can be sent as an email attachment. The recipient will need WinZip to un-shrink and translate the file back into its original binary form. The WinZip program I will send you, if you want it, is also zipped. But it is a special kind of zip file. It's an executable. You put it in the directory where you want the WinZip program to go, and run it from Windows Explorer. It extracts itself from text to binary form. If you would rather download it yourself from the internet using Netscape or other browser, here's the address that will take you to the correct download page I got from Alta Vista... DOWNLOAD.COM -- WinZip (32-bit) download.com -- the way to download software on the Internet. Searchable up-to-date software database of selected software files from CNET. http://www.download.com/PC/Result/TitleDetail/0,4,187-18840-g,501000.html size 13K - 21-Aug-97 You should download it to your "c:\temp\" folder first, then move it to the folder you want. Usually that's "c:\winzip\" -Bill _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll The genealogy of the ROLL, MANGEL and VAN WOGGELUM families "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."