Hello, Robin, Your web page looks great. Thanks for sharing. Don't know anything about homepages, but I'm about to learn. Just signed up for ATT free homepage, but I know it will take me a year to learn about this stuff. I'm still learning about the Internet, etc. At any rate, I like your site. By the way, any idea where your STEINMETZ family came from? I have a STEINMETZ related family in one of my lines. That family is from Alsace. Happiness to you always, Audrey ---------- > From: RLCww <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Roll - new web pages > Date: Thursday, December 04, 1997 10:07 PM > > I just redesigned my web pages and added more Roll names. Please check for > mistakes! If you already bookmarked my page, please make sure it didn't > change. (I switched from html extensions to htm extensions.) Thanks! > > <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/RLCww/">Leaves of My Family Tree</A> > http://members.aol.com/RLCww/ > > ---Robin
Audrey, The petition was in 1837 and Philemon's sons (Daniel & Jonathan) died in 1845. Jonathan 24 Jun 1845 and Daniel 29 Nov 1845. Jacob is also Ed's line. Nancy
Martha: Did I tell you I wanted a copy of Jacob's will? Shopping is getting to me! Thanks, Nancy
I just redesigned my web pages and added more Roll names. Please check for mistakes! If you already bookmarked my page, please make sure it didn't change. (I switched from html extensions to htm extensions.) Thanks! <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/RLCww/">Leaves of My Family Tree</A> http://members.aol.com/RLCww/ ---Robin
At 01:43 AM 12-04-1997 -0500, you wrote: >Volkie Janse or Tryntje Pieters, wife of Jan Mangelse > ==snip== >Anyway, below is a copy of a copy of the sale of land between Jan >Mangelse, his wife, Tryntje and their son, Pieter. Please let me >know what you think. > ==snip== Nancy, Wow! I really enjoyed this little gem. It's the best tidbit to come down the pipe in a long time. Thanks, -Bill _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll The genealogy of the ROLL, MANGEL and VAN WOGGELUM families "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."
At 11:07 PM 12-04-1997 EST, you wrote: >I just redesigned my web pages and added more Roll names. Please check for >mistakes! If you already bookmarked my page, please make sure it didn't >change. (I switched from html extensions to htm extensions.) Thanks! > > <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/RLCww/">Leaves of My Family Tree</A> >http://members.aol.com/RLCww/ > >---Robin > Robin and anyone else interested, Looks nice. I had thought of using the same bordered background you chose, until I found the Dutch tile. It's not according to Hoyle, but you can use this code to indent the left margin... <BODY> <UL> and </UL> </BODY> The unordered list tags should be just inside the body tags. If you're using an HTML validator, it will ~not~ like this cheat, and show a large number of HTML errors. But everything will really be ok. Just remove the unordered list tags before you run the validator. Then put them back. I also use tables to force indentation. You can save a web page from the net, and view the HTML in a word processor. That's how I'm learning HTML. I use an ordinary word processor to write my pages. AOL's browser has a nasty habit of showing all fonts one size larger than standard. To catch this, download Netscape Navigator from one of the thousands of sites offering it. Then after you connect to AOL, load Netscape and use it for the browser. It will piggyback and run through your AOL connection. You will see a more accurate view of your web pages that way. You may have some Roll stuff I'm still missing. I will study your data. I don't have a clue about most of my Dickens line. I think they came from Haddon Hall, Darbyshire, England. -Bill _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll The genealogy of the ROLL, MANGEL and VAN WOGGELUM families "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."
"Genealogical Research: Methods & Sources Vol 2" by American Society of Genealogists, 1983, states: "Ohio was the crossroad of this nation and the gateway to the west: the first state carved from the Northwest Territory (1803), and the first state with federal (public domain) lands." ---Robin
Aaron Roll was not mentioned in his father's WILL. Since the dates I have shows that he died about 6 months after Jacob Roll, there must have been a conflict somehow. Nancy, I can't imagine why these girls would have sued the children of Aaron Roll since he wasn't mentioned in the WILL. Each of these girls were to receive 10 dollars in cash to be paid by Jacob Roll's executors within a year from the time of his death. It states, "the sum of ten dollars in cash to be paid her by my Executors within twelve months after my decease. These last two legacies to be considered in full for their share & interest in my estate they having heretofore received their portions at their marriage respectively". It could be also that Aaron had already claimed his and so was not mentioned in the WILL. The Executors of Jacob Roll's Estate were named Jacob & Joseph. All they could sue for was the $10.00 if they hadn't received it. It does mention his minor children to be taken care of until they become of age, which must mean the last 4. The WILL is dated August 26, 1824 and Probated October 2, 1834. I tried to send a copy of this WILL last weekend but failed. I will try it again this weekend. I have done it before, I just can't remember how. If I ever do anything right, you can believe, I did it by accident. The first record, other than this one you sent Nancy, of a Daniel Roll Is Daniel M. Rall married Sarah F. McGilton 1853, Clark Co., Ohio. I have a marriage record for Lydia Roll to Jacob Timbrell in 1813, Butler Co., Ohio. Is this the Lydia, 3rd wife of John Roll who married (1) Rachel Van Winkle (2) Edith Wick (3) Lydia. Thanks Ed for the Cemetery Records. Your name is on the list to send a copy of Jacob Roll's Will. Martha
Thought you might be interested in a response I just received from Joe of Miami Co., OH regarding a query I placed in OHMIAMI-L for the family below. Any thoughts or references for the marriage date, etc. Audrey ---------- > From: Joe Bosserman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: DEEL Family Search > Date: Thursday, December 04, 1997 2:56 AM > > At 09:36 AM 12/2/97 -0600, Audrey Shields Hancock wrote: > > >I am searching for information on the family of Betsey ROLL/RALL, > >said to be dau/o Jacob & Betsy (MILLS) ROLL/RALL, who is said to > >have mar 18 Feb 1825 Miami Co. OH to Conrad DEEL. Betsey was > >supposedly b ca 1805 & d ca 1886. She is believed to be the > >sister of my ancestor, Sarah ROLL, who married Essex/Union Co. > >NJ to Ross DUNHAM & came to Miami Co.OH. > > > > Hi Audrey, I have interest in Deel/Deal/Diehl family so I was > looking for the Conrad Deel you mention. > > I looked for the 1825 Miami County Ohio Deel/Roll (all spellings) > marriage but couldn't find it. I even searched on Feb 1825 without > success. There were 12 marriages in Miami County during the month > of Feb 1825, but none for anyone even close to the two you mention. > > The name DEEL is often found as Deal/Diehl. ROLL can also be found > as Rall/Koll. I also did search for men by the name Conrad. The only > one even close was Conrad DOLL of Monroe Twp Miami County and later > Troy, Miami County. But he does not seem to have been married in > Miami County Ohio. > > Joe > [email protected] > > >
Nancy, Possibly Rita sent me those names of the two sons for Aaron year ago. I'll have to go through my "stuff" to see what I may have somewhere...if I can unearth it. I had no daughters listed for Aaron...just the two sons. At this time I can't say who my resource was for those names. I wasn't too great on my record keeping back when I started. Shall try to hunt a little as I have time. It's busy during the holidays for me. Twenty will be here for Christmas & the day after and off & on throughout the following week. Sorry, folks, on the list. Hope this isn't all too boring as Nancy & I discuss our line, but it is important to get these families together correctly. Audrey ---------- > From: MRS NANCY N LOHBRUNNER <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Daniel ROLL > Date: Thursday, December 04, 1997 1:23 AM > > Audrey, > > What names do you have for the children of Aaron? I only have what > Rita Kuhbander sent me years ago.I have not heard from her for a > couple of years, last I heard she was doing a book on cemeteries > around Dayton. I will write her and see if she has any information. > Wish there was a Rall researcher in Clark Co. > > Nancy
Nancy, from the information you sent on the Philemon line you show that both Daniel & Jonathan died in their 20's. Would both of these sons been dead by the time of this suit? Audrey ---------- > From: MRS NANCY N LOHBRUNNER <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Daniel ROLL > Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 7:52 PM > > I don't have any sons listed for Aaron ROLL only 6 girls. If Daniel > son of Philemon is the Daniel mentioned in the partition, why isn't > his brother, Jonathan mentioned also? > > AUDREY: I don't think I have a copy of Jacob's will, as the only > thing I show in my documentation looks like a will abstract. > > Nancy
Michael, You might add the NY G & B Records, Vol XXXVI, to your list of books to look for when (& if) you go to SLC. Would not hurt to double check the sale of land to Pieter by Jan Mangelse and his wife. Nancy
Audrey, What names do you have for the children of Aaron? I only have what Rita Kuhbander sent me years ago.I have not heard from her for a couple of years, last I heard she was doing a book on cemeteries around Dayton. I will write her and see if she has any information. Wish there was a Rall researcher in Clark Co. Nancy
I do have copies of land given to one of the Roll/Rall's by the President, can't tell you off hand, will have to look for it. May take a few days, right now am into shopping, shopping, shopping and wrapping. Seems to me Abraham Brooks Roll was the first one who went west and then returned to NJ and married, he probably told all his relatives how wonderful Ohio was. New Jersey was most likely getting crowded and land prices were probably going up. I'll look ASAP for the land record. Nancy [email protected]
Volkie Janse or Tryntje Pieters, wife of Jan Mangelse In most of the documentation for Jan Mangelse, his wife is not mentioned by name. Edwin D. Roll, in his "The Roll Family, One Branch", Oct 1982 has, "1698/9. Jan and Tryntje Mangelse sold a parcel of their land at Canastogione to their son Pieter for L50. A copy of the deed of sale is on file; also a description of the property involved." I could not find a copy of the deed till recently. I knew some researchers had Volkie Janse as Jan's wife, but with the Dutch naming system Volkie would have been the daughter of Jan, not Pieter. I added Pieters/Pieterse onto Tryntje's name, as she was the daughter of Pieter. Just because her brothers used Van Woggelum and several other aliases, we cannot assume she was also known by them, but we do know Jan Mangelse married the daughter of Pieter Adriaensen Van Woggelum. I still think an earlier researcher misread the contract of sale between Claes Jansen van Bockhoven and Jan Mangelse of land at Niskayuna in which it is written, "seller or his wife named Volckie Ja s". The problem with this is that Jan was the buyer, Claes was the seller. I have already sent a copy of this out to the group, if there are any new subscribers and would like a copy, let me know. Anyway, below is a copy of a copy of the sale of land between Jan Mangelse, his wife, Tryntje and their son, Pieter. Please let me know what you think. New York Geno. And Biog. Records, Vol. XXXVI. P 133 and p 322 "Richmond County, Staten Island. The following deed on sale was recorded for Peter Mangelse, the 3rd day of February 1698/9. Joseph Egbert, Clk." "To all Christian People to whom thes presents shall come: John Mangilson of staten Island of the County of Richmond & Trynitje his wife-Sendeth Greetings in our Lord God Everlasting. Now know yee that for the sum of Fifty-pounds currant moneys to them in hand paid by Peter Mangilson at or before the signing & ensealing of these presents the receipt whereof the said John Mangilson and Trynitje his wife both hereby acknowledge themselves therewith fully satisfied contented and paid and of every part and parcell thereof, and do hereby Exonorate and discharge the sd Peter Mangilson his heirs, Exs, administrators & assigns has bargoned, sold assignes & sett over and by these presents doe bargon sell assigne and sett over unto the sd Peter Mangilson his heirs & assigns for ever a certain tract or parcell of land lying and being at Sagoddiochquissatt which by deed of gift has been granted unto the said John Mangilson by the Maqhase Indians in the year of 1681/2, the said land running from the marked tree whereo of name of the sd John Mangelson stands and also the mark of the Maqhase Indians unto the creek that lyeth west ward the line of the sd land running into the woods diveth North lys on a straight line together with all houses, barnes, stables, orchards, fencings, feedings, pastures, or any other premises whatsover, to have and to hold the sd land and premeses with their and every of their appertunances. To the only sole and proper use behalf and benefit of him, the said Peter Mangelson his heirs & assigns foreever by these presents and the said John Mangelson and Trijntje his wife for themselves their heirs, Exec. Adm. Doth covenant & agree to and with the sd Peter Mangilson his heirs Exec. Adm. And assigns that hee the said John Mangilson at the time of ensealing and delivery of these presents hath good right full power and absolute authority to grant bargon sell and convey the afore mention premses with their and every of their appertunances freed and cleared of & from all manner of and forever other gif s, grants, bargons, soles, leases, toyntunes, dawers or any other incumbrances whatsoever and that the said Peter Mangilson his heirs, Exec. Administ. & assigns shall and may lawfully & peaceabley, and quietly have hold use occupy posses and enjoy the sd land and premises without the lawfull lett suit trouble interuption or molestation of him the said John Mangilson or either of them and that hee the said John Mangilse his heirs, Exec. Adminst. Shall warrant and forever will defend the said land and premises against any person or persons laying, claiming any estate right, title of in or to the same. In witness whereof the said John Mangilson and Tryntje his wife have hereunto Sett their hands and seals this second day of February in the tenth year of our Souvenign Lord Willim the third by the grace of God King of Eng. Scotland, France & Ireland, Defender of the Faith an lue 10-169/9 Signed Sealed and Delivered John Mangilson in the presence of Tho. Coone Tryntje Mangilse Witness Conelis + Eckenson" "Genealogy of the Roll Family Ancestry and descendants of John Roll of Elizabethtown Township Essex County New Jersey and Allied families of Brotherton-Burrows-Cory-Crane-Earl-Norris-Schooley-Smith-Vreeland- Wade-Wilson and Woolley" by Richard Timbrook Wilson. Ridgewood, bergen County, New Jersey 1921. With Additions by Richard John Franz 3rd. Pensacola, Escambia County, Florida. Starting in 1957, and Including Doland and Franz Families. Compiled by Marquerite S. Roll. 1972. P 29 & 30. I will not run a spell check on the above for obvious reasons, if you find something that does not make sense, let me know and I will take a look at the original. Nancy [email protected]
I read in a history of Ohio, that a New Jersey company advertised throughout the state for people to settle in the southwestern part of Ohio. My Smith and Cory ancestors also migrated from Essex Co., NJ, to Miami and Clark Co., Ohio (the Smith's migrated in 1814 and the Cory's in 1818). Michael VanBaaren ---------- > From: Ed Locker <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Why Ohio? > Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 4:22 PM > > It's interesting to note how many Rolls and Ralls started in New Jersey > and wound up in the New Carlilse area. Does anyone have any idea why? > Was it land given as bounties for Revolutionary War service, were they > part of a religious sect that came to that area, was it the promise of > good land, cheap? Any thoughts? > Ed
I don't have any sons listed for Aaron ROLL only 6 girls. If Daniel son of Philemon is the Daniel mentioned in the partition, why isn't his brother, Jonathan mentioned also? AUDREY: I don't think I have a copy of Jacob's will, as the only thing I show in my documentation looks like a will abstract. Nancy
Nancy, I read this as Jacob & Daniel are sons of Aaron ROLL, but heirs of Jacob ROLL (Sr.). Jacob & Daniel inherited in their father's place. I don't know if I am right either, but that is how I interpreted it. Maybe we need to look at courthouse records sometime. Audrey ---------- > From: MRS NANCY N LOHBRUNNER <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Daniel ROLL > Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 3:06 PM > > The following is why I question whether there was a son named Daniel > of Jacob ROLL and Elizabeth MILLS. > > "Clark County, Ohio Newspaper Abstracts, 1837. Vol IV" Clark county > Genealogical Society, 1991, compiled by Anne Snodgrass, 1977-1978. > "Springfield Ohio Pioneer & Clark County Advertiser" p 9. "Petition > for partition. James Lattourette & wife, Ross Dunham & wife vs. Jacob > Rolle, Daniel Rolle etc., heirs of Jacob Rolle Sr., dec'd. Jacob > Rolle of the state of Illinois, Daniel Rolle of the state of New York, > children of Aaron Rolle dec'd., non residents of Ohio and other > residents of Ohio, heirs at law & legal representatives of Jacob > Rolle Sen., late of Clark County Ohio are notified March 23, 1837 > that James Lattourette and Mary his wife, late Rolle, Ross Dunham and > Sarah his wife, late Rolle filed against defendants to demand > partition of NW 7 NE Q Sec 26 T R 9 between the Miami's. Mason & > Torbert." April 7, 1837." > > Am I reading this incorrectly? Does anyone have an opinion? Help! > > Nancy
Thanks for the addition to what I have on Jacob Roll. I will check it out but I haven't been off early this week yet. Probably this weekend. I noticed a DANIEL in the marriage records, I think, I just didn't know where he fit. I'll do more in a couple of days. Why Ohio, Ed. I think it was the westward movement. Ohio was a well settled state in the early 1800's and probably it had something to do with the land grants. I have no proof, but just my thoughts. Some moved further west but Ohio was a safe place for people to raise their families. Sorry for the quick note. I'll get this Will off to you this weekend. Martha
It's interesting to note how many Rolls and Ralls started in New Jersey and wound up in the New Carlilse area. Does anyone have any idea why? Was it land given as bounties for Revolutionary War service, were they part of a religious sect that came to that area, was it the promise of good land, cheap? Any thoughts? Ed