Martha mentions newspaper articles from the Cincinnati Times Star of Mar 16, 1905, "The Old Grave Yard" and from the Cincinnati Post for Aug 1, 1925, "Remembered." Does anyone have copies of these? Audrey

Does anyone happen to know if Martha FORCE, wife of John ROLL (b 1757), was also referred to as Patty FORCE? Audrey

From the map, "The Olde Towne 1740-1800," these ROLLs are posted: Johanes ROLL near Westfield Boundary (north of Springfield Rd. & north of town) Abraham ROLL (south of Springfield Rd., but still north of town) For those of us with MILLS connection: Wm. MILLS (? #1 or #2) on Springfield Rd. (mid-part & north of town) For those of us with CORY connection: Benj. CORY Sr. on west part of Springfield Rd. & north of town Jonathan CORY east of Benj. on Springfield Rd. & north of town Does this help to pinpoint anyone? Audrey ---------- > From: MRS NANCY N LOHBRUNNER <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Wick ROLL Questions > Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 6:46 PM > > I don't know if Littell is wrong in this case, but many times I have > heard from other researchers that Littell is incorrect in certain > cases. > > See pg 349, "John ROLL, (called in German Johonis MONGLE.) came from > Germany and settled between Springfield and Westfield...." > > Nancy

Hello everyone: The Rootsweb archives is now up and running. Try it at http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Good luck. I have been having computer problems, so have only been checking my mail the past couple of weeks. Thought it was fixed, but no such luck. Nancy

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Thanks Kathy, I must have been looking at Rachel's year of death instead of Isaac Roll. The date should have been ISAAC b. 09/08/1766 d. 03/11/1787. He was the 5th child of John & Rachel (Van Winkle) Roll, p. 3. Sorry to all of you who have to make corrections on my pages already. Thanks again, Kathy. Martha

Thank You I didn't have any differences with this page but it did give much missing info on Wickham Roll. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Martha Roll <[email protected]> To: Roll <[email protected]> Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 3:43 PM Subject: P. 58 > Cont. from Page 6. > 58. > > WICKHAM, 4th child of ABRAHAM & PRUDENCE (Vance) ROLL. > (Baty) >WICKHAM ROLL M. 01/15/1814 FRANCES VAN ZANT >b. 03/21/1791 (1815) b. 02/02/1797 >d. 06/19/1863 d. 03/10/1821 > > THEIR CHILDREN > >P. 70. 1. HENRY V. b. 08/15/1815 d. 1895 > Married: Anna E. Wells > (Cemetery Records report b. 11/08/1815) > >P. 71. 2. ABRAHAM b. 09/18/1817 d. 09/18/1851 > Married: Mary (Polly) Preston > >P. 72. 3. REUBEN VAN ZANT b. 11/17/1819 d. 12/16/1906 > Married: Catherine Ann Moore > M. 09/17/1851 > >2nd MARRIAGE M. 03/06/1823 MARY JONES > b. 05/21/1805 > d. 08/02/1834 > 4. Infant b.&d. 1823 or 1824 > >P. 247. 5. BEATRICE (Baty) b. 02/15/1825 d. 03/16/1858 > Married: Thomas A. Stephenson > M. 02/02/1843 > > 6. ROBERT S. L. b. 06/13/1827 d/ 10/14/1835 > > 7. REBECCA J. b. 02/16/1830 d. 06/17/1913 > Married: John Adams b. d. 1863 > M. 01/07/1861 No Children > >P. 73. 8. MARTIN VAN BUREN b. 01/28/1833 d. 12/22/1901 > Married: Abigail Preston > M. 04/18/1855 > >3rd MARRIAGE M. ROSETTA >No Children > >4th MARRIAGE M. 02/04/1836 ELIZABETH VAN DYKE > b. 05/05/1811 > d. 04/30/1849 > > 9. EDWARD C. b. 01/10/1837 d. 05/20/1896 > Married: Caroline (Carrie) Otte b. Germany d. 03/16/1891 > > 10. WICK b.06/10/1839 > Married: Sallie b. Feb. 1840 > > 11. WILLIAM b. 08/06/1842 d. 04/26/1843 > > 12. THOMAS b. 05/16/1844 > >P. 74. 13. JOHN BROWN b. 12/21/1846 d. 04/30/1930 > Married: Mary (Molly) Clarkson > M. Dec. 1868 > > 14. THEODORE b. & d. 1849 > >Children # 11, 12, & 14 all died in the 1840's. >Elizabeth (Van Dyke) Roll was a sister to Catherine (Van Dyke) Roll, >wife of Isaac Roll. Isaac & Wickham were brothers. >Wickham Roll was J.P. in Hamilton County, Ohio. >Wickham and Elizabeth are buried in the Wesleyan Cemetery, >Cincinnati, Ohio. > >

I have one problem with P.3 and it is that I have Isaac Roll dead at 3-11-1787 not 3-11-1850. Edith Wick Roll died in childbirth on 1-28-1775. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Martha Roll <[email protected]> To: Roll <[email protected]> Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 2:28 PM Subject: P. 3 > Cont. from Page 2. > 3. > > JOHN, 1st child of JOHN & ELIZABETH (Sickles) ROL > >JOHN ROLL m. 1757 RACHEL VAN WINKLE >b. 10/17/1732 or 1733 N.J. b. 1738 >d. 04/23/1808 d. 05/21/1768 age 30 years > > THEIR CHILDREN > >P. 90. 1. JOHN b. 10/10/1757 d. bef. 09/06/1819 > Married: Martha Force > M. 06/08/1783 > >P. 6. 2. ABRAHAM b. 08/11/1759 d. 08/21/1827 > Married: Prudence Vance > M. 01/24/1783 > >P. 7. ** 3. MATTHIAS b. 08/22/1762 d. 10/07/1831 > Married: Mary Rutan > M. 04/07/1785 > > ** 4. ABIGAIL b. 07/11/1764 d. 03/20/1788 > Married: Samuel Miller (Grandson of James Cauldwell) > M. 04/07/1785 > > 5. ISAAC b. 09/08/1766 d. 03/11/1850 > Bap. 10/26/1766 > >P. 305* 6. RACHEL b. 05/21/1768 d. 01/01/1850 > Married: (1) Robert Badgley > M. Feb. 1788 > (2) David Baker > > * Rachel's mother died at her birth. > ** Matthias & Abigail were married on the same date, a double wedding. > >2nd MARRIAGE M. 1769 EDITH WICK > N.J.. b. 01/05/1735 > d. Jan. 1775 > > 7. WICK b. 08/05/1770 d. 01/08/1790 > Bap. 10/14/1770 New Providence Presbkyterian Church. > >P. 162. 8. EDWARD b. 07/14/1772 d. 04/09/1822 > Married: Phebe Lauder > > 9. JACOB b. 01/28/1775 d. 08/14/1793 > Struck by Lightning > >3rd MARRIAGE M. after 1775 LYDIA > N.J. >No Children > >Edith (Wick) Roll Parents: John & Elizabeth (Jones) Wick. > >John Roll was a Private and Sergeant in the American Revolution. His WILL >was the 65th filed in the Hamilton Co. Court House in Cincinnati, Ohio. He >arrived in Ohio in 1796. > >

I sent these four pages of the N.J. pages to you to help with your questions on Wick Roll. I think this P. 58 is the one you are looking for and he is likely, the one who is mentioned in all your inquiries. Since he was a J.P. in Hamilton Co., Ohio, and also a Nephew of Edward & Phebe (Lauder) Roll. John & Martha (Force) Roll had a son: Jacob Wick Roll, married: Jane McClure. All their children were born in Cincinnati, Ohio. They moved to Dearborn Co., Indiana in 1848, just South of Logan, Indiana. The 7th child of Jacob Wick & Jane (McClure) Roll was: Richard Eberle Roll. After his 2nd marriage, he moved in 1889 to Wertein, Kiowa Co., Kansas. If I have a page # to the left of the child's name, I have additional information on that child and his/her family. If anyone can add to these pages or add more pages from the children I don't have information on, I will appreciate it. Your question on Charlotte L Giltner: John Roll & Elizabeth Sickles Jane Roll & Thomas Cory Elnathan Cory & Hannah Jennings Eliza Cory & John Pierson Miller Samuel Willis Miller & Charlotte Helena Stokes Helena Ethelyn Miller & Donald Hanson Mitchell Charlotte Lynn Mitchell & Justin Lewis Giltner Well, wouldn't you know, another Boo Boo. I don't know why I used Roll as a maiden name for Charlotte. She is descended from Michael's line of the Roll Family. Betty, these 4 pages are the N.J. Line. Martha

I don't know if Littell is wrong in this case, but many times I have heard from other researchers that Littell is incorrect in certain cases. See pg 349, "John ROLL, (called in German Johonis MONGLE.) came from Germany and settled between Springfield and Westfield...." Nancy

Hi Martha and other interested parties: Yes, this list is for all interested parties, however the surname is spelled. We could have a closed list, but with an open list, hopefully we will be able to attract other Roll/Rall etc researchers. Nancy

Cont. from Page 3. 162. EDWARD, 8th child of JOHN & 2nd wife, EDITH (Wick) ROLL. EDWARD ROLL M. PHEBE LAUDER b. 07/14/1772 b. d. 04/09/1822 d. 08/18/1838 THEIR CHILDREN P. 163. 1. ISAAC b. 1802 d. 12/05/1882 Married: Susan H. Overfield 2. WICK (Listed as "Idiot") P. 164. 3. EDWARD CHARLES b. 12/25/1815 d.07/29/1854 Married: (1) Julia Ann Kelly (2) Eliza Jane Riddle Phebe (Lauder) Roll died at Memphis, Shelby Co., Tennessee. Edward Roll was buried in the Roll Cemetery at Dremen Avenue and West Fork Creek, Cummingsville, Cincinnati, Ohio. This Cemetery has been destroyed. If you have access to a library which carries previous issues of out of town newspapers, get the Cincinnati Times Star for March 16, 1905, the article entitled: IN OLD GRAVE YARD. Also the Cincinnati Post for August 1, 1925, the article entitled: REMEMBERED. Res: Mill Creek Twp., Cincinnati, Hamilton Co., Ohio.

Cont. from Page 6. 58. WICKHAM, 4th child of ABRAHAM & PRUDENCE (Vance) ROLL. (Baty) WICKHAM ROLL M. 01/15/1814 FRANCES VAN ZANT b. 03/21/1791 (1815) b. 02/02/1797 d. 06/19/1863 d. 03/10/1821 THEIR CHILDREN P. 70. 1. HENRY V. b. 08/15/1815 d. 1895 Married: Anna E. Wells (Cemetery Records report b. 11/08/1815) P. 71. 2. ABRAHAM b. 09/18/1817 d. 09/18/1851 Married: Mary (Polly) Preston P. 72. 3. REUBEN VAN ZANT b. 11/17/1819 d. 12/16/1906 Married: Catherine Ann Moore M. 09/17/1851 2nd MARRIAGE M. 03/06/1823 MARY JONES b. 05/21/1805 d. 08/02/1834 4. Infant b.&d. 1823 or 1824 P. 247. 5. BEATRICE (Baty) b. 02/15/1825 d. 03/16/1858 Married: Thomas A. Stephenson M. 02/02/1843 6. ROBERT S. L. b. 06/13/1827 d/ 10/14/1835 7. REBECCA J. b. 02/16/1830 d. 06/17/1913 Married: John Adams b. d. 1863 M. 01/07/1861 No Children P. 73. 8. MARTIN VAN BUREN b. 01/28/1833 d. 12/22/1901 Married: Abigail Preston M. 04/18/1855 3rd MARRIAGE M. ROSETTA No Children 4th MARRIAGE M. 02/04/1836 ELIZABETH VAN DYKE b. 05/05/1811 d. 04/30/1849 9. EDWARD C. b. 01/10/1837 d. 05/20/1896 Married: Caroline (Carrie) Otte b. Germany d. 03/16/1891 10. WICK b.06/10/1839 Married: Sallie b. Feb. 1840 11. WILLIAM b. 08/06/1842 d. 04/26/1843 12. THOMAS b. 05/16/1844 P. 74. 13. JOHN BROWN b. 12/21/1846 d. 04/30/1930 Married: Mary (Molly) Clarkson M. Dec. 1868 14. THEODORE b. & d. 1849 Children # 11, 12, & 14 all died in the 1840's. Elizabeth (Van Dyke) Roll was a sister to Catherine (Van Dyke) Roll, wife of Isaac Roll. Isaac & Wickham were brothers. Wickham Roll was J.P. in Hamilton County, Ohio. Wickham and Elizabeth are buried in the Wesleyan Cemetery, Cincinnati, Ohio.

Cont. from Page 3. 6. ABRAHAM, 2nd child of JOHN & RACHEL (Van Winkle) ROLL. ABRAHAM ROLL M. 01/24/1783 PRUDENCE VANCE b. 08/11/1759 b. 01/24/1763 d. 08/21/1827 d. 02/16/1849 THEIR CHILDREN 1. SARAH b. 12/29/1785 d. young P. 57. 2. SAMUEL VANCE b. 01/21/1788 d. 09/14/1883 Married: (1) Keziah Higgins M. 1809 (2) Nancy Ann Whallon Knox M. 10/02/1834 P. 288. 3. SARAH b. 09/28/1789 d. 06/26/1882 Married: Isaac Brokaw P. 58. 4. WICKHAM b. 03/21/1791 d. 06/19/1863 Married: (1) Frances (Baty) Van Zant M. 1814 (2) Mary Jones M. 03/06/1823 (3) Rosetta (4) Elizabeth Van Dyke M. 02/04/1836 P. 368. 5. ELIZABETH b. 02/12/1793 d. 04/07/1857 Married: Reuben Calvin Raymond P. 283. 6. RACHEL b. 10/08/1794 d. 06/08/1881 Married: Robert Simpson Preston M. 03/09/1815 P. 59. 7. JOHN b. 10/09/1794 d. 06/08/1881 Married: (1) Sarah Whallon M. 03/13/1823 (2) Dianthe Cranston M. 02/19/1844 P. 15. 8. ISAAC b. 05/31/1799 d. 02/14/1885 Married: Catherine Van Dyke M. 05/10/1821 P. 278. 9. MARTHA b. 12/31/1800 d. 01/10/1894 Married: Jeirus Rick M. 02/25/1819 Abraham Roll was a Minuteman and Private in the American Revolution. He and Prudence (Vance) Roll settled on a farm in the Southeastern Section of Morris Co., N.J. in the vicinity of Chatham, where all their children were born. They migrated to Ohio in 1805, where Abraham seemed to have been the leader and business agent for the group which came there that year. He had extensive holdings in Millcreek Twp., Springdale Twp. and adjacent Butler Co. These were highly productive farms. They were buried in the Quaker (Roll) Cemetery, Cincinnati, Hamilton Co., Ohio.

From: Marion Co., OH Web Page Extracted from: New Historical Atlas, Marion Co., OH, Illustrated 1878 RALL, John Private Co. K 4th O.V.I. Enlisted June 6, 1861 Killed in action Who is this John RALL? This is where Betsey ROLL/RALL, dau/o Jacob & #1 Elizabeth (MILLS) ROLL/RALL went and there married Conrad DEEL. Any information out there? Audrey

Cont. from Page 2. 3. JOHN, 1st child of JOHN & ELIZABETH (Sickles) ROL JOHN ROLL m. 1757 RACHEL VAN WINKLE b. 10/17/1732 or 1733 N.J. b. 1738 d. 04/23/1808 d. 05/21/1768 age 30 years THEIR CHILDREN P. 90. 1. JOHN b. 10/10/1757 d. bef. 09/06/1819 Married: Martha Force M. 06/08/1783 P. 6. 2. ABRAHAM b. 08/11/1759 d. 08/21/1827 Married: Prudence Vance M. 01/24/1783 P. 7. ** 3. MATTHIAS b. 08/22/1762 d. 10/07/1831 Married: Mary Rutan M. 04/07/1785 ** 4. ABIGAIL b. 07/11/1764 d. 03/20/1788 Married: Samuel Miller (Grandson of James Cauldwell) M. 04/07/1785 5. ISAAC b. 09/08/1766 d. 03/11/1850 Bap. 10/26/1766 P. 305* 6. RACHEL b. 05/21/1768 d. 01/01/1850 Married: (1) Robert Badgley M. Feb. 1788 (2) David Baker * Rachel's mother died at her birth. ** Matthias & Abigail were married on the same date, a double wedding. 2nd MARRIAGE M. 1769 EDITH WICK N.J.. b. 01/05/1735 d. Jan. 1775 7. WICK b. 08/05/1770 d. 01/08/1790 Bap. 10/14/1770 New Providence Presbkyterian Church. P. 162. 8. EDWARD b. 07/14/1772 d. 04/09/1822 Married: Phebe Lauder 9. JACOB b. 01/28/1775 d. 08/14/1793 Struck by Lightning 3rd MARRIAGE M. after 1775 LYDIA N.J. No Children Edith (Wick) Roll Parents: John & Elizabeth (Jones) Wick. John Roll was a Private and Sergeant in the American Revolution. His WILL was the 65th filed in the Hamilton Co. Court House in Cincinnati, Ohio. He arrived in Ohio in 1796.

From Littell's Genealogies of Passaic Valley it says that Wick ROLL, s/o John & #2 Edith (WICK) ROLL, died 8 Jan 1790, aged 20. Then the Wick in Hamilton Co., OH records couldn't be this Wick. Who is Wick ROLL of Hamilton Co., OH the son of? Or...is Littell's book wrong? Audrey

What is Martha L. (ROLL) GLITNER's ROLL ancestry? Audrey

More information on a Lydia ROLL. Audrey Lydia ROLL was a legatee in will/o John ROLL probated 18 May 1808 in Hamilton Co., OH. Executors: Mathias ROLL & William LEEDTON. Beneficiaries: John ROLL, Mathias ROLL, Abraham ROLL, Rachel ROLL, Lydia ROLL, & Edward ROLL. (Source: Wills Filed with Probate Court of Hamilton Co., OH, 1791 thru 1852, p. 57) This looks like the will for John ROLL who married Rachel VanWinkle, Edith Wick, & Lydia. It took until 8 years after his death before it was probated? John, Matthias, Abraham were from the 1st marriage, but not mentioned were Abigail nor Isaac. Who is Rachel ROLL? Is she a daughter by Rachel VanWinkle? Edward was s/o Edith, but Wick & Jacob aren't mentioned. Lydia, of course, would be his present wife with no children.

Here is some information on Wick ROLL. Are all of these the same person? Who are all the ROLLs connected with Wick? Brothers & their wives or children of the brothers? Anyone know? Audrey ****************************** Wick ROLL was a legatee in will/o Edward ROLL of Hamilton Co., OH 7 May 1822. Executors: David CUMMINS, William D. LUDLOW, & John MILLER. Beneficiaries: Phebe ROLL, Wick ROLL, Isaac ROLL, & Edward ROLL. (Source: Wills Filed with Probate Court of Hamilton Co., OH, 1791 thru 1852, p. 57) Wick ROLL was one of the executors & legatees in will/o Abraham ROLL of Springfield Twp., Hamilton Co., OH. Will was probated 12 Sep 1827. Executors: Prudence ROLL & Wick ROLL. Beneficiaries: Prudence ROLL, Martha ROLL, Samuel ROLL, Wick ROLL, John ROLL, Isaac ROLL, Elizabeth ROLL. (Source: Wills Filed with Probate Court of Hamilton Co., OH, 1791 thru 1852, p. 57) Wick ROLL was security for estate/o James BOWERS on 17 Sep 1834. Wick ROLL was appraiser for estate/o William GAMBLE in Jun 1836. Wick ROLL was security for estate/o John R. MITLER/MILLER on 5 Oct 1836. Wick ROLL, Jeremiah WYATT, & Amos NEES were appointed appraisers of estate/o Joshua WILLIAMS, deceased while Isaac WILLIAMS was appointed administrator Oct 1836 w/bond of $1400 being posted by Jane WILLIAMS & Isaac C. MILLER. On 16 Jan 1837 Clark BATES resigned as guardian of Wick ROLL, idiot, and filed current account vouchers w/the court. Edward C. ROLL was then appointed guardian of Wick ROLL w/bond of $500 posted by Clark BATES & John McMAKIN. (Source: Abstract of Book 4, Probate Record 1834-1837, Hamilton Co., OH, Hamilton Co., (OH) Chapter of OGS, 1985, pp. 474, 536-537) Wick ROLL received deed from Stephen & Marsey/Mercy (STOUT) VanZANDT JESSUP. Marsey, dau/o Benijah & Elizabeth STOUT, was former wife/o Henry VanZANDT. (Source: Abstract Deed of 5 Apr 1825 in Hamilton Co., OH: "The Tracer", Hamilton Co., OH Chapter of OGS, Vol. 10, #2, Jun 1989, p. 42)