Another article about David B. ROLL. Audrey DAVID B. ROLL was born in Muhlenburgh [sic] County, Ky., September 16, 1827, and is a son of Abraham and Rachel V. (Rhoades) Roll, the former of whom was a native of Hardin and the latter of Muhlenburgh County, KY. Abraham Roll was educated and married in his native county, where he was engaged in farming for several years. He then removed to Muhlenburgh County, where he bought a partially improved farm, upon which he resided until his death, which occurred in January, 1838, in his fortieth year. His father, Michael Roll, Sr., the grandfather of our subject, was a veteran of the Revolutionary war. David B. Roll received such an education in youth as could be obtained at the early schools of Kentucky. His father died when he was ten years old. He was then employed as a laborer at various pursuits until he was seventeen years old. After that he was engaged in flat-boating on the Green, Ohio and Mississippi Rivers for some nine years. He then bought 200 acres of wild land near the Green River in Muhlenburgh County, Ky., where he subsequently improved a farm and resided for some three years, when he sold this place and again bought wild land adjoining, where he commenced to improve other farms. There he remained only one year, when he again sold out and bought another farm in the same neighborhood, upon which he has ever since resided. Mr. Roll now owns some 1,100 acres of choice agricultural land, about 300 acres of which are improved. Mr. Roll was a magistrate in his county for ten years in succession. He was married July 12, 1849 to Margaret A. Jackson, also a native of Muhlenburgh County, Ky. Eleven children were the fruit of this union, nine of whom - six sons and three daughters - are still living. Mr. Roll and wife have been for forty years members of the United Baptist Church, in which he now holds the office of deacon. He is also a member of the Masonic fraternity. He is largely engaged in the live stock business, both as a stock-raiser and a stock dealer. He owns some of the best and most valuable livestock in Muhlenburgh County. In politics Mr. Roll is a Democrat. (Source: Muhlenberg Co., KY GenWeb Site, 1998: Kentucky: A History of the State, Battle, Perrin, & Kniffin, 2nd ed., 1885, Muhlenberg Co., KY)

This was on Muhlenberg Co., KY GenWeb Page. Anyone know the lineage of this David ROLL? Audrey David B. Roll Was Flatboatman On Green, Ohio and Mississippi DAVID B. ROLL was born in Muhlenberg County, KY, September 16, 1827, and is a son of Abraham and Rachel V. (Rhoades) Roll, the former of whom was a native of Hardin and the latter of Muhlenberg County, KY. Abraham Roll was educated and married in his native county, where he was engaged in farming for several years. He then removed to Muhlenberg County, where he bought a partially improved farm, upon which he resided until his death, which occurred in January, 1838, in his fortieth year. His father, Michael Roll, Sr., the grandfather of our subject, was a veteran of the Revolutionary war. David B. Roll received such an education in youth as could be obtained at the early schools of Kentucky. His father died when he was ten years old. He was then employed as a laborer at various pursuits until he was seventeen years old. After that he was engaged in flat-boating on the Green, Ohio and Mississippi Rivers for some nine years. He then bought 200 acres of wild land near the Green River in Muhlenberg County, KY, where he subsequently improved a farm and resided for some three years, when he sold this place and again bought wild land adjoining, where he commenced to improve other farms. There he remained only one year, when he again sold out and bought another farm in the same neighborhood, upon which he has ever since resided. Mr. Roll now owns some 1,100 acres of choice agricultural land, about 300 acres of which are improved. Mr. Roll was a magistrate in his county for ten years in succession. He was married July 12, 1849 to Margaret A. Jackson, also a native of Muhlenberg County, KY. Eleven children were the fruit of this union, nine of whom - six sons and three daughters - are still living. Mr. Roll and wife have been for forty years members of the United Baptist Church, in which he now holds the office of deacon. He is also a member of the Masonic fraternity. He is largely engaged in the live stock business, both as a stock-raiser and a stock dealer. He owns some of the best and most valuable livestock in Muhlenberg County. In politics Mr. Roll is a Democrat. (Source: Muhlenberg Co., KY GenWeb Site, 1998: LDS film # 09962913, Excerpts from History of Kentucky, Illustrated, 1885, by Battle, Perrin, and Kniffin. Appeared in the Central City Messenger and Times-Argus, Central City, Kentucky, in seven installments during May, June, and July 1959)

Cont. from Page 24. 168. HUGHES C., 6th child of SAMUEL F. & FRANCES (Jones) ROLL. HUGHES C. ROLL M. 03/27/1862 SARAH E. DAVIS b. 10/01/1840 b. 09/21/1841 d. 01/13/1902 d. 06/15/1883 THEIR CHILDREN 1. CLEMENT VALLANDINGHAM b. 10/22/1862 d. 01/11/1950 Married: Alice Raber M. 06/29/1887 Anderson, Madison Co., Indiana Had two children who died young P. 170. 2. RENA b. 06/27/1865 d. 09/11/1904 Married: Charles M. Black M. 03/20/1884 3. DAVIS b. 11/19/1867 d. Married: Buelah Beard Buried in Middlebrook, Virginia NO CHILDREN 4. MAMIE b. 03/16/1870 d. 12/12/1871 5. CHARLES HOWARD b. 05/19/1873 d. 03/19/1950 Married: Josephine Brophy M. 10/31/1894 Cincinnati, Ohio NO CHILDREN 2nd MARRIAGE M. 09/06/1885 MAHALA J. RETHERFORD This 2nd marriage took place at Lafayette, Tippecanoe Co., Indiana. Sarah E. (Davis) Roll died in Butler Co., Ohio. Her parents were: Samuel & Rebecca Davis. The 1850 Census lists Hughes C. Roll in Butler County, Reily Twp., Ohio.

Hi Audrey, I have this. John Roll & Elizabeth Sickles John Roll & 1st wife, Rachel Van Winkle Matthias Roll & Mary Rutan Samuel F. Roll & Frances Jones Hughes C. Roll & (1) Sarah E. Davis (2) Mahala J. Retherford Parents of Sarah E. Davis were: Samuel & Rebecca Davis. If you want any of this, I can send it. Martha

For those who are collecting ROLL info, here is a tidbit. From: A History & Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler Co., OH, 1882, p. 415: "The mechanic arts in Reily have always been carred on successfully." This continues with names, places, & dates of various blacksmiths. "In the meantime there have been Hugh Roll, who learned his trade with [Samuel] Davis, George Huber, & William Sasher--the latter here in 1882." I am not aware of the ancestry of Hugh ROLL. Audrey Shields Hancock

The pages 362, 363, I sent belong to the N.J. line of the family. Love, Martha

Cont. from Page 362. 363. HENRY BALTIS, 1st child of HENRY BALTUS & SUSAN (Jennings) ROLL. HENRY BALTIS ROLL M. 11/17/1850 MARY JANE SHEPARD b. 01/11/1817 b. 03/21/1831 d. 1923 THEIR CHILDREN 1. DAVID HENRY b. 10/24/1851 d. 04/03/1853 2. MARY EMMA b. 07/19/1854 Married: O'Neill Res: Plainfield, N.J. 3. SAMUEL EDGAR b. 04/13/1856 d. 04/13/1861 4. WILLIAM LOUIS b. 11/09/1859 d. 04/09/1861 5. RUTH ELIZA b. 04/12/1862 d. 08/27/1865 6. GEORGE HENRY b. 02/12/1865 d. 07/ / 1950 Married: M. 1. CHARLES HENRY Married: M. 7. EFFIE PARKHURST b. 10/09/1867 d. 12/10/1867 8. ADA MAY b. 05/31/1870 d. 195? 9. ANNIE ELIZA b. 08/03/1873 d. 198? Ref: CHARLES HENRY ROLL 111 Ivy Hill Road Levittown, Pennsylvania - 19057 Child # 6: George Henry Roll was born in Plainfield, New Jersey. Child # 8 or Child # 9 married: W. Irving Carpenter and lived on Central Avenue, Westfield, New Jersey in 1920.

Yes I would like all the information please. Kathy [email protected]

The page I just sent, P. 362. came from a grandson of Henry Baltis & Mary Jane (Shepard) Roll. We discussed this page a lot before adding it to the records. In all information that we had found before, Baltus Roll died childless. Our discussion was why he was not mentioned. Several conclusions came to mind and we never decided on anything concrete. We just all agreed to add it to the records because if he was a natural child or adopted, it didn't matter. If he was a natural child or adopted, he belonged to the family. Our conclusions were that Susan (Jennings) Roll probably hid the child while all this was going on and being an only child she was probably overly protective and didn't allow anyone to talk to him about the incident. Or, she might have adopted him after the event, I don't know if that was possible, but at any rate, we agreed that it belongs in the records. If any of you want the rest of it, I have more on this family and where it came from. Let me know what you think. Martha

Cont. from Page 5. 362. HENRY BALTUS, 5th child of ABRAHAM & 1st wife, MARY (Brooks) ROLL. HENRY BALTUS ROLL M. 0614/1801 SUSAN JENNINGS b. 05/03/1769 d. 02/22/1831 THEIR CHILDREN P. 363. 1. HENRY BALTIS b. 01/11/1817 Married: Mary Jane Shepard b. 03/21/1831 d. 1923 M. 11/17/1850 This information is taken from The Standard Springfield Newspaper of Westfield, New Jersey, Dated: October 22, 1920. Mary J. Roll (89 years old) married Nov. 17, 1850 to Henry B. Roll by Rev. Edgar, Pastor of Presbyterian Church. Henry was the skon of Henry Baltus Roll. Mrs. Roll's husbands Father, Henry Baltus was murdered when her husband was 10 years old and the old house in which the tragedy occured is still standing at Baltusrol. Mrs. Roll lives in Trenton and came here to visit her daughter Mrs. W. Irving Carpenter who lives on Central Ave. She has another daughter, Mrs. Mary O'Neill of Plainfield. 9 grandchildren and 2 great grandchildren.

In the newspaper ads that I have copies of state that he had no children. Kathy [email protected]

Anyone have the descendants? 5th child of Abraham & 1st wife, Mary Brooks. I think this is a surprise to some of you because you have the story "MURDER ON THE MOUNTAIN TOP" and know that the Baltusrol Golf Course is named after this Baltus Roll. However, there was a child, Henry Baltis Roll. I don't know if he was a natural child or adopted. Martha

Hi Kathy, The dates of birth and death for Jane Roll, I have close to that for Samuel Roll, the 14th child of Abraham & 2nd wife, Catherine (Vreeland) Roll. It is: 14. SAMUEL b. 01/15/1794 d. 05/27/1813 Now, I don't know where these dates were from but according to Robin's letter of Jan. 6, it lists Samuel Rawl with this death date. I think the birth for David is wrong also. I have it as b. 1805. if that is correct, it would make him child # 14 instead of Samuel. It would also make David married at the age of 47 years, and that is possible. It could also make Jane Brokaw a 2nd wife or David might have just married later, or possibly, my research could be all out of whack. Does anyone know if I have sent P. 5 of the research? My computer crashed and I lost all the mail for awhile and I don't know if I sent that page or not. If I didn't, I will send it and maybe someone can fix it for me. Martha

Jane Roll b. 1-19-1794 d. 5-27-1813 Kathy [email protected]

Anyone have any further information on these two children of Abraham & 2nd wife, Catherine (Vreeland) Roll. 12. DAVID b. 1805 Married: Jane Brokaw M. 06/09/1852 13. JANE Married: John Morris Thanks, Martha

Does anyone have a Jacob RAL in the Albany, NY area who married Anna, the daughter of Peter van Slyck? Nancy

There have been messages forwarded to the mailing lists about a missing child. These have been addressed to numerous lists. These are considered SPAM. Spam is what brought MAISER down last spring. A missing child is a parents worse nightmare, but there are more appropriate places to post these messages on the internet. The following is from one of the owners of Rootweb. "Obviously, posting one message to a single list isn't a problem at all. However, CCing a "roll call" to forty lists, which slams the server with forty simultaneous posts when your post goes through and then slams the server forty times again whenever anyone replies, is NOT OK. Obviously, using SmartList to retrieve a handful of messages is OK. Using SmartList to retrieve 8,000 archived messages hammers the system and is not OK. Obviously, all genealogical traffic and even a lot of social traffic is OK. But things that "ring" the server by jumping virus-like from list to list, like virus hoaxes, FCC announcements, and missing children posts, etc., are NOT OK. (General rule: never, ever post or repost a message that *asks* people to repost it.) Flames are another thing that can "ring" a server, by getting a very large number of folks to post in quick succession. Besides being good netiquette, avoiding flame wars is good for the health of the servers. Does all that make sense? Just think about how much traffic, especially nearly simultaneous traffic, your post will cause. If in doubt, write to listowners for advice. Cheers, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD- L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb. com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 [email protected] com" (There is also a FCC announcement making the rounds of lists, from what I have read, it is old news and people are passing it around once again like they did last year.) ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Hi Kathy, I know that some of our research was contributed by Edna. I don't know what Lynn and Edna talked about but if you write Lynn, she will tell you. I do know it was about Genealogy and the Roll Family. I don't know exact questions or what Edna might have asked Isaac Clifford Roll. I warn you, Lynn is as long-winded on genealogy as I am. Martha

Hi Kathy, No, I never talked to Edna but Lynn did. Lynn went to visit her many times and she wrote to her often. Lynn spoke fondly of her and I think she called her, Aunt Edna. Lynn often talked about how she was so alert and sharp and at her age, Lynn was very impressed. I am sorry that I didn't get in touch with her because it was a reward that I missed out on. I am glad that you are carrying on her research. I hope someday, that someone will carry on ours. It is far from being complete and a friend, just the other day, made the comment that Genealogy never ends. That is probably true. I sometimes, fail to thank you for the names and dates you send me and I apologize but I want you to know that I thank you for all of it and you are a real pleasure to know. It is even more gratifying to know that you have taken on the job of adding to the research of someone else. Many, Many years ago, while doing research on the Springfield, Ill. line of the family, someone wrote that a lady did a lot of research on her husband line of the family and after she died, a magazine tried to buy the work but it had all been burned after her death. Our work can't be destroyed completely. We have all tried to make sure of that. If I can add anything to your research, you only need to ask. Martha

I wonder if Lynn might know some of the questions that Edna asked of Clifford in her letters, because all I have is copies of his replies with the answers. Your Welcome and Thank you Kathy [email protected]