Cont. from Page 126. 127. WILLIAM HENRY, 4th child of JONATHAN SMITH & LUCINDA (Kidd) ROLL. (Sadie) WILLIAM HENRY ROLL M. SARAH VIRGINIA SHIPMAN b. 11/22/1862 b. 07/03/1865 d. 10/28/1898 d. 05/03/1957 THEIR CHILDREN 1. Infant b. d. Infant P. 153. 2. WILLIAM HENRY b. 05/27/1885 d. 04/28/1941 Married: Margaret Dickens M. 11/27/1907 Newark, N.J. P. 154. 3. HOWARD RUSSELL b. 04/10/1887 d. 06/ /1946 Married: Viva Dean Cripe M. 01/10/1910 P.329. 4. JOSEPH HEDGES b. 11/13/ Married: Ruth Margaret Wilt M. 02/16/1912 William Henry Roll was born in Ovid, Seneca Co., N.Y. He died in Elizabeth, Union Co., N.J. as a result of a railroad accident. He is buried in Evergreen Cemetery, Elizabeth, Union Co., N.J. Sarah Virginia Shipman was the daughter of William Marquise (Mark) Shipman and Sarah Woods. He fought in the Civil War and named his daughter after the land where he had fought and the countryside which he had learned to love.

Cont. from Page 68. 126. JONATHAN SMITH, 3rd child of WESLEY & ANN (Smith) ROLL. JONATHAN SMITH ROLL M. 09/04/1851 LUCINDA KIDD b. 03/03/1828 b. 01/16/1834 d. 03/10/1904 d. 12/06/1902 THEIR CHILDREN 1. JOHN JOSEPH b. 04/04/1852 d. 09/04/1853 P. 600, 2. JOSEPH HEDGES b. 04/21/1854 d. 05/25/1937 Married: Anna Louise Larson M. 04/02/1895 P. 601. 3. ANNIE LUCINDA b. 09/23/1860 Buried: 10/24/1957 Married: Maurice Henry Stratemeyer M. 10/18/1881 D.A.R. # 106043 P. 127. 4. WILLIAM HENRY b. 11/22/1862 d. 10/28/1898 Married: Sarah (Sadie) Virginia Shipman 5. FRED LUTHER b. 03/22/1866 d. 08/30/1866 Jonathan Smith Roll was born in Westfield, Union County, N.J. Lucinda Kidd was the daughter of Captain William Kidd, the Pirate. Jonathan & Lucinda lived most of their lives in Elizabeth, Union Co., N.J. They lived for a short time in Ovid, Seneca Co., N.Y. Jonathan Smith Roll was a Stonemason. They are buried in the Evergreen Cemetery, Elizabeth, Union Co., N.J.

Thank you for sending the address for Janis. I really need to take some time and write some old fashioned letters. Martha

At 10:13 AM 01-22-1998 -0600, you wrote: > Cont. from Page 68. > 126. > > JONATHAN SMITH, 3rd child of WESLEY & ANN (Smith) ROLL. > >JONATHAN SMITH ROLL M. 09/04/1851 LUCINDA KIDD >b. 03/03/1828 b. 01/16/1834 >d. 03/10/1904 d. 12/06/1902 > > THEIR CHILDREN > > 1. JOHN JOSEPH b. 04/04/1852 d. 09/04/1853 > >P. 600, 2. JOSEPH HEDGES b. 04/21/1854 d. 05/25/1937 > Married: Anna Louise Larson > M. 04/02/1895 > >P. 601. 3. ANNIE LUCINDA b. 09/23/1860 Buried: 10/24/1957 > Married: Maurice Henry Stratemeyer > M. 10/18/1881 > > D.A.R. # 106043 > >P. 127. 4. WILLIAM HENRY b. 11/22/1862 d. 10/28/1898 > Married: Sarah (Sadie) Virginia Shipman > > 5. FRED LUTHER b. 03/22/1866 d. 08/30/1866 > > > > >Jonathan Smith Roll was born in Westfield, Union County, N.J. > >Lucinda Kidd was the daughter of Captain William Kidd, the Pirate. > >Jonathan & Lucinda lived most of their lives in Elizabeth, Union Co., N.J. >They lived for a short time in Ovid, Seneca Co., N.Y. Jonathan Smith Roll >was a Stonemason. They are buried in the Evergreen Cemetery, Elizabeth, >Union Co., N.J. > Dear Martha, Thank you. It will take me a while to look over your pages, they may contain new information. I will get back to you about any differences. Right away I notice one problem: Captain William Kidd was a ferry boat captain out of Elizabethport, NJ, on Newark Bay, possibly on the Elizabethport-Bayonne ferry. The pirate Kidd is back in the 18th century, and no current relationship can be proven. This Kidd was hanged, mostly for political reasons, in England a little before or after the beginning of the 19th century. He had a wife in New Amsterdam, and may have had children. I understand that he was a member of the Dutch Reformed Church of New Amsterdam in good standing. I have a little information about this Kidd, if you are interested. Sincerely, William Henry Roll [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."

Dear Robin, I have the GEDCOM! It consisting of 8 generations of Sarah Virginia SHIPMAN's ancestors plus 3 generations of those ancestor's descendants. Part of the line goes back to the 16th century. There are 599 people included. There is lots of documentation. Milt Rankin has been researching the family, and was kind enough to send the file. Rather than mess around sending the information one small piece at a time, would you like me to send the GEDCOM? Can you handle a .ZIPped file? The .ZIP file is 59,002 bytes. Plain .GED would be 281,015 bytes. Anyone else want the GEDCOM? Sincerely, William Henry Roll [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."

Bill, Hillside, NJ, borders Elizabeth, NJ, and at times you'll see references to Evergreen Cemetery in both towns. However, their address is: Evergreen Cemetery, PO Box 312, 1137 N Broad St, Hillside, NJ 07205; phone 908-352-7940. If you go to the Kidd page on my web site (http://members.aol.com/RLCww), you'll find at the bottom a link to my source page. That's where I've put the Jonathan Smith Roll Bible and the Rolls listed with Kidds at Evergreen Cemetery. Thanks for the Shipman info. Do you have any sources to go with it? :) ---Robin

At 10:08 PM 01-21-1998 EST, you wrote: >Bill, >Hillside, NJ, borders Elizabeth, NJ, and at times you'll see references to >Evergreen Cemetery in both towns. However, their address is: Evergreen >Cemetery, PO Box 312, 1137 N Broad St, Hillside, NJ 07205; phone 908-352-7940. > >If you go to the Kidd page on my web site (http://members.aol.com/RLCww), >you'll find at the bottom a link to my source page. That's where I've put the >Jonathan Smith Roll Bible and the Rolls listed with Kidds at Evergreen >Cemetery. > >Thanks for the Shipman info. Do you have any sources to go with it? :) >---Robin > Dear Robin, No, I have posted all I have. But, almost certain to get more specific leads, ancestors, and documentation. I'm working on it. I will post or offer a file as soon as I get more. -Bill _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."

I'm sure I received both, I just haven't processed them as yet. ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Thanks Martha ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Did any of you miss getting P. 362 & 363 of my research? It was the pages on Baltus & Susan (Jennings) Roll. Audrey didn't get it, so I wonder if anyone else failed to get it. If you didn't get the pages, I will send them to you. Martha

Hi Ed, Thanks for sending the information on Clement Vallandingham. That is quite an interesting piece of information. I always wondered why they gave this child the name because it was the first time I had ran across it in all the research. It's the information and stories and whatever we pick up that makes genealogy interesting. Thank again. Martha

Hi Nancy, The Jacob Roll & Nancy Picket (Pecket) is in my records. The were married at New Providence, N.J. Also being a Chairmaker in Cincinnati is also in my research. Martha

Hello William, You are of the line that a lady I used to work with, but she left the company soon after I found out we were distant cousins. Her name is Mary Roll Clark. Her and her husband used to work at Instrument Transformers Inc. down here in Clearwater Florida. They left the job to go see her mom and to travel to find a new home. If you know her, whether she is your niece, daughter or cousin please let her know to contact me. I gave her my snail mail and my land line before she left and she hasn't contacted me yet and this was several years ago. Thank You Kathryn Schueren [email protected]

Hi Nancy, Don't worry about getting "Caught up". I don't think anyone ever gets caught up on genealogy. I don't have any other wives listed for Joseph Roll except Nancy Barnet. The connection was sent to me from a cousin in California and I did not verify that Joseph was the son of Jacob & Elizabeth (Mills) Roll. I spent years trying to make the connection to the research and when it came it, I just was thrilled to finally make the connection, and added it to the research. If it is wrong, a lot of my research has to be taken out of the big notebook. For many years, I believed that we were connected to the Penn. Line of the family because they also came through Southern Indiana. However, Abraham C. Roll was also in Floyd Co., Indiana, just next door so to speak. Our Joseph was married in Crawford Co., Indiana and died there. Janis Holland husband's name is James Patrick Holland. Her parents also live in Seattle, Wa. Her connection backward: Janis Marie Roll & James Patrick Holland Francis Merton Roll & Frances Marion McGinley Roma Carr Roll & Mary Edith Miller William Francis Roll & Mary Jane Carr Francis Marion Roll & Mariette E. Ross Samuel F. Roll & Frances Jones Matthias Roll & Mary Rutan John Roll & 1st wife, Rachel Van Winkle John Roll & Elizabeth Sickles Lynn will know what Janis's address is. I have just been out of the genealogy business for about 5 years and haven't wrote to anyone for awhile. Martha ---------- From: NANCY N LOHBRUNNER <[email protected]> To: ROLL LIST <[email protected]> Subject: [ROLL-L] Attn: Martha Date: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 7:20 PM Hi Martha: Forgive me for taking so long in asking about your sons line, but I can't seem to get caught up with genealogy. Sometimes I feel like I am drowning and I can't get free! On 25 Oct 1997 you wrote the line was: JohnRoll/Elizabeth Sickles Abraham Roll/Mary Brooks Jacob Roll/Betsy Mills Joseph Roll/Nancy Barnet William Alexander Roll/Lucy Ann Elizabeth Ray Cummings James Hudson Roll/Louisa May Totten William Riley Roll/Golda Mae Woolums Charles Hershell Roll/Martha Jeanette Rowell It is Joseph Roll and Nancy Barnet that I have a question about. (If you have already answered this, please tell me as I tried to make hard copies of all Roll list correspondence and it is just buried.) Was Nancy Barnet a first wife? The following is what I have on Joseph, is it incorrect? I only have Elizabeth as his wife and no son named William Alexander. Is this another Joseph? Joseph b 18 Jan 1802 in NJ, d 29 Oct 1846 Clark Co., OH. Wife, Elizabeth b abt 1810 in OH d abt 1858. Children: 1. Daniel W. b 7 Jan 1828 d 24 Mar 1863 m Sarah Frances McJilton 7 Apr 1853. 2. Mary A. b abt 1830 m Franklin Koch 27 Jun 1850 3. Jacob m Mary J. Cory 4. Joseph Jr. b abt 1834 5. Jonathan d Jul 1872 6. John L. d 1918 m Eliza J. Day 4 Jul 1859 7. Anne 8. Margaret d 1845 OH 9. George W. b 11 Oct 1842, d 9 Nov 1842 OH 10. Isaiah d 17 Mar 1862 Some of the data I have came from Mrs. Patsy RALL of Packwood, WA in 1992. She was very ill then and the last time I wrote to her, she never wrote back. Did you ever correspond with her? Speaking of corresponding, I wrote to all the names you sent me, still haven't heard from any of them, but I did receive my letter back from Janis Holland. Returned to sender, wrong address. I wonder if she was/is related to Patsy Rall's husband's line? Do you remember what her husband's first name is? Maybe there is a listing in Switchboard for them. Thanks, Nancy

That's what someone said, but I haven't verified it yet. Possibly a history of Hamilton Co., OH might say something. Like you, I'm trying to recover from the abundance of information coming my way on so many of the families I am working on. Sorry that I can't be of more help. If I find out something, I'll let you know. Audrey ---------- From: NANCY N LOHBRUNNER <[email protected]> To: ROLL LIST <[email protected]> Subject: [ROLL-L] Attn: Audrey: Date: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 5:29 PM I am trying to get caught up on my backlong (never ending!) and I was wondering if Someone had a source for the marriage of Nancy PICKET/PECKET and Jacob ROLL/RALL? Also their children? Was it determined he was a chairmaker in cincinnati? nancy

Martha It's interesting that the first Roll child in the Hughes Roll family was named Clement Valladingham, apparently they admired the real C.V. quite a bit to name their first child after him. I don't know how much you know about this gentleman, but since Dayton, Ohio (my howetown) was his base of operations I'm quite familiar with him. A lawyer he was a leading light in the western movement known as the "copperheads" during the Civil War. Not really related to the snake, these folks would cut the head from a copper penny and wear the "copperhead" as jewelry so like-minded people would recognize them. The copperheads belived that the war was a useless exercise in futility and wanted to sue the south for peace and allow them to go their own way. Valladingham was a leader in the copperhead movement and at one time the leading contender for the governorship of Ohio until General Ambrose Burnside showed up with a body of troops in Dayton and drug him from his home and arrested him. He was eventually exiled and sent across the lines to the south. Naming a child after this rabble-rouser suggests this branch of the Roll family were not very enthusiastic supporters of the Union war effort. Ed

Hi Martha: Forgive me for taking so long in asking about your sons line, but I can't seem to get caught up with genealogy. Sometimes I feel like I am drowning and I can't get free! On 25 Oct 1997 you wrote the line was: JohnRoll/Elizabeth Sickles Abraham Roll/Mary Brooks Jacob Roll/Betsy Mills Joseph Roll/Nancy Barnet William Alexander Roll/Lucy Ann Elizabeth Ray Cummings James Hudson Roll/Louisa May Totten William Riley Roll/Golda Mae Woolums Charles Hershell Roll/Martha Jeanette Rowell It is Joseph Roll and Nancy Barnet that I have a question about. (If you have already answered this, please tell me as I tried to make hard copies of all Roll list correspondence and it is just buried.) Was Nancy Barnet a first wife? The following is what I have on Joseph, is it incorrect? I only have Elizabeth as his wife and no son named William Alexander. Is this another Joseph? Joseph b 18 Jan 1802 in NJ, d 29 Oct 1846 Clark Co., OH. Wife, Elizabeth b abt 1810 in OH d abt 1858. Children: 1. Daniel W. b 7 Jan 1828 d 24 Mar 1863 m Sarah Frances McJilton 7 Apr 1853. 2. Mary A. b abt 1830 m Franklin Koch 27 Jun 1850 3. Jacob m Mary J. Cory 4. Joseph Jr. b abt 1834 5. Jonathan d Jul 1872 6. John L. d 1918 m Eliza J. Day 4 Jul 1859 7. Anne 8. Margaret d 1845 OH 9. George W. b 11 Oct 1842, d 9 Nov 1842 OH 10. Isaiah d 17 Mar 1862 Some of the data I have came from Mrs. Patsy RALL of Packwood, WA in 1992. She was very ill then and the last time I wrote to her, she never wrote back. Did you ever correspond with her? Speaking of corresponding, I wrote to all the names you sent me, still haven't heard from any of them, but I did receive my letter back from Janis Holland. Returned to sender, wrong address. I wonder if she was/is related to Patsy Rall's husband's line? Do you remember what her husband's first name is? Maybe there is a listing in Switchboard for them. Thanks, Nancy

I am trying to get caught up on my backlong (never ending!) and I was wondering if Someone had a source for the marriage of Nancy PICKET/PECKET and Jacob ROLL/RALL? Also their children? Was it determined he was a chairmaker in cincinnati? nancy

Dear Members of the ROLL list, I finally found some more of the SHIPMAN line: Sarah Virginia SHIPMAN (03 May 1865-03 May 1957), wife of William Henry ROLL (22 Nov 1862-11 Nov 1899). These are my great grandparents. William Henry and Sarah Virginia (Shipman) ROLL are buried in Evergreen Cemetery in Hillside, NJ. Sarah Virginia SHIPMAN is the fifth child of William Marquis SHIPMAN (03 Jun 1826-08 Feb 1905) and Sarah WOODS (ca.1830-05 Sep 1894). Sarah WOODS was an Irish immigrant. William and Sarah (Woods) SHIPMAN are buried in Evergreen Cemetery in Hillside, NJ. William Marquis SHIPMAN is the son of Joseph Tuttle SHIPMAN (15 Nov 1790-20 Feb 1861) and Mary TOMPSON (05 Jun 1798-25 Sep 1846). Joseph and Mary (Thompson) SHIPMAN are buried in the Presbyterian Cemetery at Springfield, NJ. Joseph Tuttle SHIPMAN is the son of Aaron SHIPMAN (16 Jul 1760-22 Jan 1840) and Phebe TUTTLE (ca.1763-18 Apr 1839). Aaron and Phebe (Tuttle) SHIPMAN are buried in the Presbyterian Cemetery at Springfield, NJ. Where is Hillside, NJ? I have a 19th century map of Elizabeth, NJ, and find an Evergreen Cemetery on the ourskirts of town between N. Broad St. and Cross Ave. Is this the same cemetery? It's only a few blocks from where Sarah's husband William Henry ROLL had his trolly accident in 1899 at the intersection of Fairmount Avenue and Newark Avenue. I may soon have more information. Sincerely, William Henry Roll [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."

I also have this. This belongs to the Penn. Line of the family. John Roll & Mary Nevis Michael Roll & Christina Vought Abraham Roll & Rachel V. Rhoads David B. Roll & Margaret A. Jackson If you have the Gedcom File that Betty sent, you have part of this. I haven't checked it to see what is not in her records. I have been wondering how long it would be before we got into the Penn. Line of the family. I should have known that you would begin it. David B. Roll held the title of Squire David B. Roll. I think that means that he was a Judge. I'm not sure. Someone else can clear that up for us. I have it if you want it. Be sure to keep this seperate from all that I have sent before because it is the Penn. Family. It isn't seperate, it's only to keep me straight in knowing who I am talking about. It is just another notebook. Martha