Welcome to the group. I've tried to find your E-Mail Address but failed. I knew that you just had to have one. When we sent floppy disk in ASCII, each of our computers could read it. I thought that was just great, so much easier than letters. I never dreamed we would get into anything like this. We could also send so much more information on those than in a letter. Most of the genealogy is still on the floppies and this computer won't read them. Sorry about the Library. I know how much work you did to get a copy for them. I don't mind you changing formats at all. I do whatever is easiest for me and I expect other people do the same. Each of the people I worked with had their own format and numbering system. Lynn and I were the only two to have an exact duplicate. Janis had a numbering system that I never figured out and I did try. She said it was much easier than ours. (For her, I suppose.) Do you remember the cousin in California that sent the connection of Joseph & Nancy (Barnet) Roll to Jacob & Elizabeth (Mills) Roll, I think he was a 2nd cousin, I'm not sure now? I could look it up but I would have to write a letter the old way. I am glad that you joined the group and again, I am sorry about the genealogy at the Library. You went to a lot of trouble to get them a copy so it could be shared with other people. It's good to hear from you again. Martha

Thanks Ed, That is the way I remember it too. It wasn't as glamorous or notorious as the movies make it out to be and Piracy was a legal profession. I can't remember where I put things this morning but I remember the stories well. Martha

Hi Betty, Thanks for sending the list of pages you received. You should have gotten, 165, 329, 330,331,347,474,537,538. If you didn't get the first two, I can send them again. Yesterday I sent 126,127,153,154. I have 7 more to send and it will be all I have on Bill's line of the family. I'll try to get it finished this weekend. Martha

Hello Martha, Don't know if you remember me, but wrote to you a few times several years ago. Never did really get started on the Roll history, and have just recently. Had no idea you were still working on it, until I contacted William Henry Roll recently, and he gave me your address. When I started, I seemed to find a page missing from the copy I had made, and so went to the Library where the copy you had sent was, but it had disappeared. So I commenced retyping your material, and have added a little. I made some changes in format as I retyped it, and hope you don't mind. Just received several pages you had sent over the Rol-L list, and will be comparing them shortly. I look forward to hearing from you. Hansel L Haycox

It looks as if the centuries are mixed up, but the listing of a Kidd as a "shipper" doesn't necessarily preclude his being the pirate. According to what I've read, the pirate, Captain Kidd, was originally some sort of business-man who was attempting to take advantage of a hostile situation. He aplied for and received a letter of Marque that allowed him to be a "legal" pirate and take prizes (as long as the prize was a ship from a hostile country). Not really a sailor, he never-the-less bought a ship and set out to make his fortune. On his first voyage he was rather uneventfully captured and hung, and was famous (infamous?) in his own time as a symbol of incompetance. I don't know where the image of his being a blood-thirsty cut-throat ever came from although I suspect Hollywood. Maybe descent from Captain Kidd is not quite as desireable as we thought? Ed

At 12:11 AM 01-24-1998 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Betty, > Thanks for sending the list of pages you received. You should have >gotten, 165, 329, 330,331,347,474,537,538. If you didn't get the first >two, I can send them again. > Yesterday I sent 126,127,153,154. > I have 7 more to send and it will be all I have on Bill's line of the >family. I'll try to get it finished this weekend. >Martha > Martha, I have pages 3, 4, 6, 58, 127, 153, 154, 162, 165, 329, 330, 331, 347, 363, and 474, and am finding wonderful new information. Thanks. Sincerely, William Henry Roll [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."

At 10:25 PM 01-23-1998 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Martha, > > Don't know if you remember me, but wrote to you a few times several years >ago. Never did really get started on the Roll history, and have just recently. > > Had no idea you were still working on it, until I contacted William Henry >Roll recently, and he gave me your address. When I started, I seemed to find >a page missing from the copy I had made, and so went to the Library where >the copy you had sent was, but it had disappeared. So I commenced retyping >your material, and have added a little. I made some changes in format as I >retyped it, and hope you don't mind. > >Just received several pages you had sent over the Rol-L list, and will be >comparing them shortly. > >I look forward to hearing from you. > >Hansel L Haycox > Dear Hansel, Glad to see you are on the ROLL-L list. You will find that the members of the list are a friendly and helpful group. I'm fortunate to have been introduced to them. Sincerely, William Henry Roll [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."

Cont. from Page 537. 538. DEBRA BIRELEY, 1st child of JERRY & MARCIA (Reynolds) BIRELEY. DEBRA BIRELEY M. STEVE KRUSE b. 01/25/1954 b. 02/19/1951 THEIR CHILDREN 1. KEVIN KRUSE b. 04/05/1971 2. CHAD KRUSE b. 05/20/1974

Cont. from Page 330. 537 MARCIA REYNOLDS, 1st child of WILLIAM & VIRGINIA ELLEN (Roll) REYNOLDS. MARCIA REYNOLDS M. JERRY BIRELY b. 04/21/1932 THEIR CHILDREN P. 538. 1. DEBRA BIRELEY b. 01/25/1954 Married: Steve Kruse 2. DOUGLAS BIRELEY b. 03/21/1955 2nd MARRIAGE M. WILLARD STALHUT b. 1927 3. KIM STALHUT b. 12/21/1961

Cont. from Page 154. 474. MYRON JAYMES, 3rd child of HOWARD RUSSELL & VIVA DEAN (Cripe) ROLL. MYRON JAYMES ROLL M. THELMA ACKERSON b. 07/07/1928 b. THEIR CHILDREN 1. JENNY b. 1957 2. JED b. 1961 3. RONALD b. 1964 4. MELINDA b. 1968 5. BARBARA b. 1972 All children unmarried in 1982 Myron Jaymes Roll is a Teacher in South Bend, Indiana. 217 S. 6th Street Goshen, Indiana 46526

Cont. from Page 154. 347. MARTHA ABIGAIL, 2nd child of HOWARD RUSSELL & VIVA DEAN (Cripe) ROLL. MARTHA ABIGAIL ROLL M. 1940 J. ROBERT KILE b. 03/01/1916 b. THEIR CHILDREN 1. J. ROBERT KILE, Jr. b. July 1942 Married: (1) Angelika C. Bollman M. 08/28/2970 (2) Eva Marie TWIN. 2. NONA KILE b. 12/21/1944 Married: Jerry Vonaster 1. 2. TWIN: 3. NANCY KILE b. 12/21/1944 Married: (1) Larry Sisky (2) Jim Lambright (3) Address in 1982: J. Robert & Martha Abigail (Roll) Kile 4125 Park Street N. - Lot # 840 St. Petersburg, Florida - 33709

Cont. from Page 329. 331. KATHRYN ELINOR, 2nd child of JOSEPH HEDGES & RUTH MARGARET (Wilt) ROLL. KATHRYN ELINOR ROLL M. 08/17/1935 CARL FREDERICK REICHERT b. 01/22/1917 b. 02/22/1915 d. 10/06/1976 THEIR CHILDREN 1. CAROLYN SUE REICHERT b. 05/13/1936 Married: Albert George Kulas b. 01/091935 M. 10/06/1956 1. STEVEN MARK KULAS b. 11/27/1957 2. TERI LYNN KULAS b. 12/10/1958 3. BRIAN PAUL KULAS b. 05/20/1960 4. LORI ANN KULAS b. 07/26/1961 5. BETHANY CAROL KULAS b. 11/05/1965

Cont. from Page 329. 330. VIRGINIA ELLEN, 1st child of JOSEPH HEDGES & RUTH MARGARET (Wilt) ROLL. VIRGINIA ELLEN ROLL M. WILLIAM REYNOLDS b. 02/16/1912 b. 02/14/1910 d. 02/23/1959 THEIR CHILDREN P. 537. 1. MARCIA REYNOLDS b. 04/21/1932 Married: (1) Jerry Bireley M. (2) Willard Stalhut P. 539. 2. MARILYN REYNOLDS b. 05/21/1935 Married: Loren Gochenour P. 541. 3. WILLIAM REYNOLDS, Jr. b. 01/24/1937 Married: Ann Yount

Cont. from Page 127. 329. JOSEPH HEDGES, 4th child of WILLIAM HENRY & SARAH VIRGINIA (Shipman) ROLL. JOSEPH HEDGES ROLL M. RUTH MARGARET WILT b. 11/13 b. 1894 d. 1972 THEIR CHILDREN P. 330. 1. VIRGINIA ELLEN J. b. 02/16/1912 d. 02/23/1959 Married: William Reynolds P. 331. 2. KATHRYN ELINOR b. 01/22 1917 Married: Carl Frederick Reichert M. 08/17/1935

Cont. from Page 154. 165. MARY ADELINE, 1st child of HOWARD RUSSELL & VIVA DEAN (Cripe) Roll. MARY ADELINE ROLL M. 03/05/1941 JOHN NOWELSKY b. 03/02/1914 b. 05/04/1904 THEIR CHILDREN P. 602. 1. THOMAS DEAN NOWELSKY b. 09/28/1942 Married: Kathryn Reiss M. 04/15/1967 2. MARLENE NOWELSKY b. 02/10/1945 Married (1) Henry Grabarz M. 06/22/1968 No Children (2) Lawrence Jordon M. Jan. 1982 Marlene Nowelsky graduated from Rutgers Pharmacy Scool in 1968. Address in 1982: Lawrence & Marlene (Nowelsky) Jordon 203 Merry Wood Drive Edison, New Jersey - 08817 P. 603. 3. LINDA JEAN NOWELSKY b. 09/15/1950 Married: John Jaymes M. 12/29/1967 Divorced: Jan. 1977 Mary Adeline Roll graduated from Goshen Hospital in 1937. She is a Registered Nurse. Address in 1982: John & Mary Adeline (Roll) Nowelsky 335 Wells Avenue 2625 - 53rd St. So. Oakhurst, New Jersey Gulfport, Florida 07755 33707 Summer October-May

Lucinda Kidd Roll (1834-1902) was the daughter of John Kidd (1813-1875) and Siche Maria Booraem (1813-1859), NOT the daughter of William Kidd the pirate who was hanged in 1701. John Kidd was listed as a "shipper" in the NJ death records. You'll find Lucinda and her husband Jonathan Smith Roll listed with John Kidd at Evergreen Cemetery in Hillside, NJ. (More on my web site.) Please correct your records! ---Robin In a message dated 98-01-22 18:26:08 EST, you write: << Jonathan Smith Roll was born in Westfield, Union County, N.J. > >Lucinda Kidd was the daughter of Captain William Kidd, the Pirate. > >Jonathan & Lucinda lived most of their lives in Elizabeth, Union Co., N.J. >They lived for a short time in Ovid, Seneca Co., N.Y. Jonathan Smith Roll >was a Stonemason. They are buried in the Evergreen Cemetery, Elizabeth, >Union Co., N.J. > Dear Martha, Thank you. It will take me a while to look over your pages, they may contain new information. I will get back to you about any differences. Right away I notice one problem: Captain William Kidd was a ferry boat captain out of Elizabethport, NJ, on Newark Bay, possibly on the Elizabethport-Bayonne ferry. The pirate Kidd is back in the 18th century, and no current relationship can be proven. This Kidd was hanged, mostly for political reasons, in England a little before or after the beginning of the 19th century. He had a wife in New Amsterdam, and may have had children. I understand that he was a member of the Dutch Reformed Church of New Amsterdam in good standing. I have a little information about this Kidd, if you are interested. Sincerely, William Henry Roll >>

At 10:05 PM 01-22-1998 EST, you wrote: >Lucinda Kidd Roll (1834-1902) was the daughter of John Kidd (1813-1875) and >Siche Maria Booraem (1813-1859), NOT the daughter of William Kidd the pirate >who was hanged in 1701. John Kidd was listed as a "shipper" in the NJ death >records. You'll find Lucinda and her husband Jonathan Smith Roll listed with >John Kidd at Evergreen Cemetery in Hillside, NJ. (More on my web site.) Please >correct your records! >---Robin > >In a message dated 98-01-22 18:26:08 EST, you write: > ><< Jonathan Smith Roll was born in Westfield, Union County, N.J. > > > >Lucinda Kidd was the daughter of Captain William Kidd, the Pirate. > > > >Jonathan & Lucinda lived most of their lives in Elizabeth, Union Co., N.J. > >They lived for a short time in Ovid, Seneca Co., N.Y. Jonathan Smith Roll > >was a Stonemason. They are buried in the Evergreen Cemetery, Elizabeth, > >Union Co., N.J. > > > > Dear Martha, > > Thank you. It will take me a while to look over your pages, they may > contain new information. I will get back to you about any differences. > > Right away I notice one problem: Captain William Kidd was a ferry boat > captain out of Elizabethport, NJ, on Newark Bay, possibly on the > Elizabethport-Bayonne ferry. > > The pirate Kidd is back in the 18th century, and no current relationship > can be proven. This Kidd was hanged, mostly for political reasons, in > England a little before or after the beginning of the 19th century. He had > a wife in New Amsterdam, and may have had children. I understand that he > was a member of the Dutch Reformed Church of New Amsterdam in good > standing. I have a little information about this Kidd, if you are interested. > > Sincerely, > William Henry Roll >> > > Dear Martha, Oops! Got my centuries mixed up. Pirate William Kidd lived in the 1600s (17th cent.); hanged 1701, the first year of the 18th cent. Sorry. Sincerely, William Henry Roll _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."

Hi Bill, These pages are the things on your family that I have. I will send more tomorrow. I doubt that I will get the computer again today. Let me know where I have made mistakes and please send the corrections. Thanks Martha

Cont. from Page 127. 154. HOWARD RUSSELL, 3rd child of WILLIAM HENRY & SARAH VIRGINIA (Shipman) ROLL. HOWARD RUSSELL ROLL M. 01/10/1910 VIVA DEAN CRIPE b. 04/10/1887 b. 1890 d. 06/ /1946 d. 09/01/1970 THEIR CHILDREN P. 165. 1. MARY ADELINE b. 03/02/1914 Married: John Nowelsky M. 03/05/1941 P. 347. 2. MARTHA ABIGAIL b. 03/01/1916 Married: Robert Kile M. 1940 P. 474. 3. MYRON JAMES b. 07/07/1928 Married: Thelma Ackerson Howard Russell Roll was born in New Jersey and moved to Goshen, Indiana.

Cont. from Page 127. 153. WILLIAM HENRY, 2nd child of WILLIAM HENRY & SARAH VIRGINIA (Shipman) ROLL. WILLIAM HENRY ROLL M. 11/27/1907 MARGARET DICKENS b. 05/27/1885 b. 10/01/1883 d. 04/28/1941 d. 05/12/1940 THEIR CHILDREN 1. WILLIAM ENOS b. 03/10/1909 d. 04/27/1976 Married; Lilyan Goldberg NO CHILDREN 2. DAVID HEDGES b. 06/03/1913 Married: Mary Catherine Lennon M. 06/22/1941 Address in 1982: David Hedges & Mary Catherine (Lennon) Roll 4697 - 13th Avenue N.E. Salem, Oregon - 97303 1. WILLIAM HENRY b. 05/07/1942 Address in 1982: William Henry Roll 450 N. Lovekin Blvd. Blythe, California - 92225 2. DAVID HEDGES b. 06/26/1944 Address in 1982: Rev. David Hedges Roll Saint Therese Parish 6016 Camino Rico San Diego, California - 92120 3. PHILLIP LENNON b. 01/24/1948 Married: Ming Lee Wang M. 02/14/1977 1. ROSE Address in 1982: Phillip Lennon Roll 3335 S. Falcon Ridge Rd. Diamond Bar, California - 91765