I would like to set up a discussion Group such as this one for a couple of my other family lines - Would anyone care to tell me how this was done? Thanks Hansel

If I have kept all my notes together, I have received 4 orders for this family history. Have all the copying done, but still need to do about one half the printing, and some hole punching and filing. I hope to have them all done within the next two weeks and will have them on the way. Since I am making all these copies, I am also making one for the Crawford Co, (IN) Library, and the Orange Co (IN) Genealogical society. These are the 4 I show as ordering - William Henry Roll Full set Audrey Shields Hancock Full Set I received your payment. Thank you! Nancy Lohbruner Full set I need your mailing addrsss David Kane Family Group sheets & index. Thanks to all Hansel

Have been trying to connect this family to the Roll data I have. Does anyone know whether John Roll & Mary Nevis had children other than Michael Roll? Did Michael Roll and Christina Vought have children other than John Roll? Did John Roll & SusannahSwank have children other than William B Roll? Appreciate any help. Hansel

For William Henry Roll I saw your note re the MARSH/TUCKER genealogy - is there a connection to the Roll line? If so, I would appreciate a copy. Hansel

I can think of nothing else that I would rather be doing on Saturday Night than working on Genealogy. The boys are gone to a friend's house to play games on their computer so for a change, I get it. John Roll & Elizabeth Sickles Abraham Roll & 1st wife, Mary Brooks Jacob Roll & Elizabeth Mills Joseph Roll & Nancy Barnet William Alexander Roll & Lucy Ann Elizabeth Ray Cummings James Hudson Roll & 2nd wife, Louisa May Totten William Riley Roll & Golda Mae Woolums Charles Hershell Roll & 2nd wife, Martha Jeanette Rowell By the way, I don't think I wrote to anyone but Betty that Charles married again on October 4, 1997 to his first wife, Frances Louise King. Hansel is a 2nd cousin to my sons, Charles William Roll & James Matthew Roll. He is a dear friend and what is better than being related, is to have a relative that is also a friend. I've never met him but I have met his mother and she is a sweet person. Hansel has done more than I asked him to do by donating this work and making it available to anyone who wants it. What I wonder is how he could do this for the price he asks. Mail almost cost that much. I know, I have mailed several hundred pages and paper weighs a lot. I've never charged but several people have sent money to cover the postage. Martha

Yes I have your page 4, but in my pages I also have Mary baptized 6-14-1767. I have Catherine born on 6-14-1777, same date just 10 years difference. If you would please send me Hansel's offer again, because I can't seem to find it now. I just went back to my original data that I started with and found that it is a copy of a letter that my great great aunt Hazel Roll Conyers received from Albany County Records. They listed everyone using Roman numerals. If you would like me to send this to you please let me know. Kathy [email protected]

Hi Kathy, Did you get my page 4? This was Isaac Roll & Sarah Cauldwell. If you didn't, I can send it again. Compare it with your research and if there are any difference, let me know. I have child # 2, Mary & child # 3, Catherine Baptised on the same day suggesting that they might have been twins, but Mary died young. I also have a Julia A. Woodruff b. 1847 d. 1946. She is listed under Catherine Roll & Abner Woodruff but it's not possible that she was their child because Catherine died 1838. I can't find her as a granddaughter either but I don't have the information on every child. All this will be in Hansel's offer to all of you. I encourage you to get that. He has made a very generous offer to everyone and I will try to fill in what is missing from his pages too. Let me know about P. 4. Martha

Hi Donna, Thank you for adding that to my research. Doesn't it absolutely amaze you how fast these people got around in the early and mid 1800's knowing that their only transportation was by covered wagon or riverboat and maybe in some directions, by train. I didn't have the first 2 children of William B. Roll & Matilda Roden. The first two children were born in Indiana, the 3rd in Kentucky, so they must have gone back to Kentucky to visit with William's family before moving west. Hardin Co., Ky. is just across the Ohio River from Harrison Co., Indiana. I spent hours in the Court House in Harrison Co., Indiana. This is where I found the Will of John Roll. The Will left all his possessions to William unless his daughter Christina was a widow at the time of his death. If she was, she would receive half. Their brother, Stephen Thomas Roll married with the consent of his father, John Roll. Christina married with the consent of her brother Stephen Thomas Roll. No other children were mentioned in the Will. If they went back to Kentucky to visit and a child was born there, who did they go to visit? I am told that there was a ferry crossing the Ohio River just below Harrison Co., Ind. into Ky. Later a bridge was built, I believe. Anyway, in 1832, Michael Roll & Christina Vought moved from Hardin Co., Ky. to Muhlenberg Co., Ky. Michael Roll & Christina Vought came through Virginia across the Cumberland Gap via the Wilderness Road into Hardin Co., Ky. Do you have the story of The Wilderness Road? I have it somewhere. It was a treacherous trail with Indian attacks and few pioneers made it through but by Michael Roll being an Indian Scout in the Packhorse Service, he was more capable of getting his family through. I did not have the information that Matilda (Roden) Roll married John Sears. She was listed in the 1870 Census with the 3 children. It looks like this Laura A. Roll, granddaughter of John Sears married Thomas Roll. However, I won't record it until I'm a little more sure of the fact. Or, what do you have? Thank you for adding more to my research. Betty has a lot of the Penn. Family and she said she didn't mind sending it to people if you would like a copy. If you want to wait a couple more weeks, I hope to have most of it into Family Tree Maker and I will send it to Betty, If I can do a Gedcom File. It looks like it will add a couple of hundred pages more to her files. Also, Hansel has offered everyone a copy of the N.J. pages. It is well worth the money to send to get a copy of that. The two families do come together. Here I have rambled on again. Sorry. Martha

My direct line (as I have it) is: Jan Mangelese m. Volkie Janse Adrianensen Mangel Jansen Roll m. Annetje Hendriex Volcx Jan (Johannes) Mangel Roll, m. Altje Bas Johannes (John) Mangel Roll, m. Mary Nevis Benjamin Roll, m. Sarah Culbertson John Roll, m. Mary Westfall Harvey Roll, m. Martha Jane Cunningham George Washington Roll, m. Martha Florence Morris Lloyd Leland Roll, m. Grace Aletha Bliss Betty Grace Roll, m. Jack Lee Holt If this connects with any of your lines, I'll be happy to share what I have with you. Betty (Roll) Holt Tulsa, Oklahoma

To: Martha Roll I can add to your list of children for William B. and Matilda (Roden) Roll - gleaned from census records. 1860 Fed. Cens., Nemaha Co., Nebraska, Brownville, p. 61, dated 29 June 1860: 490-457 William Roll, age 50, tenant farmer, Pers. Val. $200, born Indiana Matilda Roll, age 40, b. Indiana Jacob Roll, age 20, b. Indiana, laborer Julia Roll, age 16, b. Indiana Christina Roll, age 8, b. Indiana Susan Roll, age 6, b. Missouri Thomas Toll, age 4, b. Nebraska William B. Roll must have died between 1860 and 1870 census records. I found Matilda Roll and Thomas Roll in 1880 Fed. Census, Osborne Co., KS, Bethany twp., p. 1 6-6 Sears, John, age 62, farmer, b. KY, both parents b. KY -- [This is my gg-grandfather] Sears, Matilda, age 60, wife, keepinghouse, b. IN, father b. IN, mother b. SC -- [Matilda (Roden) Roll - 2nd wife of John Sears.] 6-7 Roll, Thomas, age 24, farmer, b. NE, both parents b. IN Roll, Laura A., age 15, wife, keepinghouse, b. NE, both parents b. IL -- [This is the granddaugther of John Sears, through his daughter Evaline (Sears) Jemison who was married to Jacob F. Jemison.] William B. Roll and wife Matilda lived in the same general area of Nebraska as John Sears. John Sears first wife died between 1865-1870 in NE or MO. He was found in the 1870 Holt Co., MO census with his two youngest children. Have not found where John and Matilda were married yet. Could have been MO or KS. Donna Sears Chernick

William B. Roll was from the PA line, son of John Roll/Rolle and Susannah Swank who married 25 Dec. 1800, Hardin Co., KY. John Roll was son of Michael and Christiana Vought. Michael was son of Johannes Roll and Mary Nevis. Johannes was son of Jan Roll and Alte Bas. Jan Roll was son of Mangel Roll and Annetje Hendrix Volcx. Mangel was son of Jan Mangalese. Donna Sears Chernick

Martha, No, all I have is that Catherine Roll & Abner Woodruff were married on 1-25-1849 and that they died in Redstone PA. Also I have Catherine as the 7th child but the 3rd daughter of Isaac Roll & Sarah Cauldwell. Kathy [email protected]

Audrey, Sorry, I goofed. Kay was looking for a Chester Woodruff. I am certain that is in the information that Hansel is sending to everyone. I have the Chester Woodruff but nothing on his 3 marriages. Maybe Kathy has it. I have: Chester Woodruff - 2nd child of Isaac Woodruff & Margaret Greene. Isaac - 1st child of Catherine Roll & Abner Woodruff. Catherine - 3rd child of Isaac Roll & Sarah Cauldwell. Isaac - 3rd child of John & Elizabeth Sickles. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Martha

Penn. Family. John Roll & Mary Nevis Michael Roll & Christina Vought (spelled several ways) John Roll & Susannah Swank William B. Roll & Matilda Roden This should be in the information that Betty has. I am just now adding what is missing from those records. When I'm finished, I will send this to Betty. Sorry to put all this work off on Betty & Hansel. I will probably still work on genealogy but it has grown too much. I have worked on it so much that when I see a maiden name, I can tell which family it belongs too. Since there are several researchers to join the group, should we post our lines again? I don't remember if I've posted since we've archived. Martha

Hello Pamela: Welcome to the Roll/Rall list. Most of the people on this list are from a Roll line, some of us (right, Ed) have ancestors that used RALL. If you descend from Abraham Roll and Mary Brooks, is your line from Ohio? We anxiously wait your next posting with more generations. My line is as follows: My line is: Jan Mangelse/Tryntje Pieters Pieter Janse Roll/Jannetje DuChesne John Mangels Roll/Elizabeth Abraham Roll/Mary Brooks Jacob Roll/Elizabeth Mills Mary Rall/James Latourette and Moses Rall/Elizabeth Dew Wyatt Mary Jane Latourette/Isaac Brooks Rall 1st cousins Alice Catherine Rall/George Henning Daisy Henning/Hugh O'Neil Carrie O'Neil/John Bowman Nancy Bowman/Armin Lohbrunner If you notice we don't quite agree. That makes genealogy interesting and keeps us on our toes. Maybe some of the others will post their lines again for you. Once the Rootsweb archives get back on line, you can go through some of our old postings. I will let everyone know when the archives are up. Nancy

My direct line is as follows: 1) Mangel/Mangle m. Antje 2) Jan Mangelse b. 1635 Netherlands m. 1660 Albany Co., NY to Trijntje Pieters d. <4 Sep 1705 Staten Island, Richmond Co., NY 3) Mangel Janse Ral/Roll b. abt 1665 NY m. abt 1691 NY to Anntje Volkerts d. 1744 4) Johannes Rall/Rol/Roll chr. 20 Aug 1699 New York City m. 17 Mar 1719 " " " to Aeltje Bars d. 1744 at sea? 5) Abraham Roll b. 29 Aug 1739 Morris Co., NJ m. 1758 Essex Co., NJ to Mary Brooks m2) Caty Vreeland d. 20 Oct 1813 Summit, Union Co., NJ Will send more generations later. Pamela J. Pickering Slinker [email protected] Dr. J. Michael Slinker Director of University Relations Humboldt State University Arcata, CA 95521-8299 707: 826-5101

My direct line is as follows: 1) Mangel/Mangle m. Antje 2) Jan Mangelse b. 1635 Netherlands m. 1660 Albany Co., NY to Trijntje Pieters d. <4 Sep 1705 Staten Island, Richmond Co., NY 3) Mangel Janse Ral/Roll b. abt 1665 NY m. abt 1691 NY to Anntje Volkerts d. 1744 4) Johannes Rall/Rol/Roll chr. 20 Aug 1699 New York City m. 17 Mar 1719 " " " to Aeltje Bars d. 1744 at sea? 5) Abraham Roll b. 29 Aug 1739 Morris Co., NJ m. 1758 Essex Co., NJ to Mary Brooks m2) Caty Vreeland d. 20 Oct 1813 Summit, Union Co., NJ Will send more generations later. Dr. J. Michael Slinker Director of University Relations Humboldt State University Arcata, CA 95521-8299 707: 826-5101

Thought you might be interested in Kay's response. I forwarded her Bill's URL as well as his e-mail to me giving the WOODRUFF-ROLL lineage. Martha, I received your note also. Maybe there is something here of interest to some of you. I have ordered Hansel's manuscript also, besides all of the wonderful information that has come from all of you. Thanks so much everyone for sharing. Audrey ---------- > From: Kay Geist <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Roll genealogy > Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 6:32 PM > > Audrey, > > The Roll story is an interesting one. In the book the Woodruff > Chronicles, Volume II, compiled by Ceylon Newton Woodruff and Maurine R. > Herod, 1971, page 175: Abner married Catherine, daughter of Isaac Roll > who kept a tavern on the Springfield Road. Page 197, Abner Woodruff and > his brother Samuel were willed their father's plantation in Springfield > in John Woodruff's will of 1778, Abner about 18 years at the time. He > married abt. 1786 Catherine (Caty) Roll of springfield and their first > child, Isaac Woodruff was born July 3, 1787. Their first-born was named > after Catherine's father, Isaac Roll of Springfield. The family moved > to Redstone, Fayette Co., Penns. about 1798 and from there to Washington > County, Ohio. > > Same book, page 204 Roll-Woodruff Notes > It is quite possible that the account of the ancestry and origin of the > Roll Family in Littell's "First Settlers of Passaic Valley", page 349, > is open to question. The origin of the Immigrant may prove to have been > from the Dutch rather than German genesis. Undoubtedly Littell repeated > the traditional assumption of some family member that John Roll who > appeared at Springfield, N.J. was or had been called Johannis Mangle in > German, and that he came from Germany. The later extensive research of > a Roll Descendant, a member of the Holland Society of New York, appears > the more plausible. He relates that Jan Mangelse, Dutch Immigrant to > America as early as 1656 and probably was a trader with the Indian > trappers in skins or pelts. In Deeds I, 124, Dutch Manuscripts of > Beverwyck, Jan names his fatherin-law Pieter Adriaensen, in the Colonie > of Rensselaers wyck. The researcher says he possesses the bapitsmal > records of Jan. 27, 1686, of the Dutch Reformed Church of Albany. > Johannes, son of Jan Mangels, witnesses Geertruy and Johannes Lansing. > This Jan Mangels is believed to be a dirct ancestor of the John Roll, > wife Elizabeth who came from Long Hill, N. J., migrating to near the > present Springfield, N. J., where they kept a tavern. > > I have a copy of some pages from the book called Genealogies of the > First Settlers of Passaic Valley by John Littell. This documents the > Family of my John Roll, his son Isaac Roll and then #7 my Catherine or > Caty Roll that married Abner Woodruff. > > What do you think of this? Have you ever seen this information before? > > Regards, > Kay Geist

No, I don't have any info about William B. Roll, but am curious as to his line. Is he from the PA Roll's, John & Elizabeth Roll or another? Don't go to any trouble. If John & Elizabeth's which son? Nancy

At 06:43 PM 02-20-1998 -0800, you wrote: >My direct line is as follows: > > 1) Mangel/Mangle > m. Antje > 2) Jan Mangelse > b. 1635 Netherlands > m. 1660 Albany Co., NY to Trijntje Pieters > d. <4 Sep 1705 Staten Island, Richmond Co., NY > 3) Mangel Janse Ral/Roll > b. abt 1665 NY > m. abt 1691 NY to Anntje Volkerts > d. 1744 > 4) Johannes Rall/Rol/Roll > chr. 20 Aug 1699 New York City > m. 17 Mar 1719 " " " to Aeltje Bars > d. 1744 at sea? > 5) Abraham Roll > b. 29 Aug 1739 Morris Co., NJ > m. 1758 Essex Co., NJ to Mary Brooks > m2) Caty Vreeland > d. 20 Oct 1813 Summit, Union Co., NJ > > >Will send more generations later. > > >Dr. J. Michael Slinker >Director of University Relations >Humboldt State University >Arcata, CA 95521-8299 >707: 826-5101 > Dear Michael, Welcome to the ROLL list. I think you will find us a friendly and generous lot. My line is Jan MANGELSE m. Tryntje Pieters VAN WOGGELUM Pieter Janse RALL m. Jannetje DU CHESNE John Mangels ROLL m. Elizabeth Isaac ROLL m. Sarah CAULDWELL John ROLL m. Mary EARL Wesley ROLL m. Ann SMITH Jonathan Smith ROLL m. Lucinda KIDD William Henry ROLL m. Sarah SHIPMAN (William) Henry ROLL m. Margaret DICKENS David Hedges ROLL m. (Mary) Catherine LENNON William Henry ROLL m. Juana Carmen HERRERA I was particularly interested in your number 1) Mangel/Mangle m. Antje, as this is something almost all of us on the list have been looking for for a ~long~ time. Do you have any information to share about Mangel/Antje? Something else in your list attracted my attention as well. > 2) Jan Mangelse > b. 1635 Netherlands > m. 1660 Albany Co., NY to Trijntje Pieters > d. <4 Sep 1705 Staten Island, Richmond Co., NY Do you have documentation for the b. 1635, m. 1660, and d. 4 Sep 1705? We're lacking documentation here. I hope the list is of benefit to you. Take a look at my web site at http://members.aol.com/whroll Sincerely, William Henry Roll [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on."