Donna - There are two John Eddy Roll. The one who was friends with Abraham Lincoln was the son of William Roll and Mary Eddy. William's parents were John Roll and Mary Earl and his parents were Isaac Roll and Sarah Cauldwell. Isaac's parents were John Roll and Elizabeth Sickles. Does this help?> Hansel At 03:48 PM 2/26/98 -0800, you wrote: >Which family did JOHN EDDY ROLL belong to. I have LINCOLN and ROLL >connections on sidelines, and would like to know if they were connected >to the same lines. > >Donna Sears Chernick > >

Nancy - we held a first 'family' reunion last year which included some Roll's. We will meet again this year near Corydon, IN. As far as I know, I was the only one there interested in researching the family line, but we welcome anyone. Hansel At 08:50 PM 2/25/98 -0800, you wrote: >Are there still ROLL reunions? Tell us a little about them, please. Many >people? From all over or local? One specific line? > >Thanks, >Nancy > >

Dear All, My line shown 3 possible ways: A) B) C) 1) Mangel/Mangle m. Antje 2) Jan Mangelse m. Trijntje Pieters 3) Mangel Janse Ral/Roll m. Annatje Henderiks Volkerts Pieter Janse Roll/Jennetje deChene 4) Johannes (John) Rall/Rol/Roll m1) Aaltje Bas m2) Elizabeth Sickles Jan /Eliz. Sickles or Strickhauser 5) Abraham Roll m1) Mary Brooks 6) Jacob Roll m. Elizabeth Mills 7) Aaron Rall m. Anne/Ann or Mary Ann DeRozelle/Roselle 8) Jacob Christopher Columbus Ralls m. Elizabeth Kirkham 9) Martha (Mattie) Virginia Rall m. Daniel Hall Fleming 10) Lillis Adel Fleming m. Elmer Ellsworth Dugan 11) Louise Olga Dugan m. Andrew Earl Dyatt 12) Jo Ann Dyatt m. Leonard Leroy Pickering Jr. 13) Pamela Jo Pickering m. John Michael Mahan Slinker Pamela Pamela J. Pickering Slinker 1971 Gwin Rd McKinleyville, CA 95519-3961 707: 839-7235 [email protected]

Sent you the disks containing my files the other day. Also sent copy of the conversion software. It is a free utility, and you may be able to download a later copy from www.microsoft.com Best, Hansel

Hansel L Haycox wrote: > > Betty, > > Was very pleased to see your family line posted. I have it from Jan > Mangelese down to Johannes (John) Mangel Roll & Mary Nevis. If you have any > additional information I can use in preparing Family Group Sheets for the > remainder of your family line, I would appreciate it. > > Hansel Hansel: I have a database of all my direct family line from my great-grandchild back to Jan Mangalese, thanks primarily to Marth Roll and Lynn Roll Kennedy. Martha and one of my brothers, (Robert) were in contact in the 1980's and she and Lynn sent him copies of their research which he input to a word processor on a personal computer. Then a few years ago, I got a PC myself, and input it to a genealogy program called Family Origins. I now also have Family Treemaker software. I also have quite a bit of input done on the NJ rolls thanks to GEDCOM's, emails and other data sent to me by Martha Roll. If you would like, I can email you a GEDCOM of this data, just let me know. That would be the simplest way to get you the information, but if you can't use it in that format, I will try to do it another way, o.k.? I appreciate your efforts in trying to update all this family data. Regards, Betty (Roll) Holt

Martha - the copy I have is a copy of the one you sent Vine Grove Ancestral Trails Historical Society in 1984. It goes from page I to IV and 2 to 239 and I had added 306,318,320, 321,400,401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409, and 410. Will have to try to save you a copy of my files in ACSII code Take care - Hansel t 05:42 PM 2/25/98 -0600, you wrote: > Do you have the original pages that I sent to you? If you do, Catherine >Roll & Abner Woodruff family will be on P. 248. More on P.249, 250, 251, >252. I didn't send these pages through Roll-L. I did send some pages >through the group but when you joined the group and made the offer to >furnish everyone a copy, I thought I would wait to find out what you have >and update it from there. I have over 600 pages of this N.J. notebook so, >I know I will have to fill in some. If you still have the original I sent >to you, let me know the last P. # and I can go from there. > I have sent these pages through the group. If you don't have part of >these, I can send them to you. P. >3,4,6,9,53,57,58,63,89,126,127,153,154,162,165,168,329,330,331,347,362,363,4 >74,537,538,539,540,541,542,600,601,602,603,604. > Sorry to hear about your mother, she was a dear lady. I still miss >Pappaw, William Riley Roll. I think of him often. Since I didn't know my >way around town in Marion, Ind. he was asked to go with me when I needed to >go someplace. He did. I love to yard sale so, if we saw a sign, we went. >We had been for a couple of hours one day and turned down an alley to catch >one. When we left, we got to the end of the alley and I asked which way to >turn. He said, "Well, I don't know, I've been lost for 2 hours." Thank >God for the good memories. > John Eddy Roll & Abraham Lincoln did build a flatboat. the first time >they put it into the water, it sank. That story might be in HISTORY OF >EARLY SETTLERS OF SANGAMON COUNTY, ILLINOIS. by - John Carroll Power. 1876. > I have it and I really need to get all these stories out so I can get to >them easily. There's another one in Life Magazine - February 15, 1954 - >LINCOLN'S LOST DOG. I'm not sure if the story of the Flatboat was in the >book or if it was in John Eddy Roll's notes. The notations for all that >should have been on P. 25. > I would like a copy of your files on disk. I though I had most of your >family in the notebook but you probably have added more since I was in >contact with you last. My address is: >23845 Hwy. 114. N. >Hollow Rock, Tenn. 38342 > The Post Office has changed my address 3 times since I've lived here. >Thanks, >Martha > > > >

Betty, Was very pleased to see your family line posted. I have it from Jan Mangelese down to Johannes (John) Mangel Roll & Mary Nevis. If you have any additional information I can use in preparing Family Group Sheets for the remainder of your family line, I would appreciate it. Hansel

There is not enough information provided to be absolutely sure, but the Dr Silas Roll you mention appears to be son of: Matthias Roll and Mary Rutan, child of John Roll & Mary Van Winkle, child of John Roll & Elizabeth Sickles, child of Jan Mangalese & Volkie Janse Adriansen Israel Roll is also a child of Mattias Roll and Mary Rutan The Mathias Roll you have in your note is apparently the one indicated above, except that you show a child named Isaac which I do not show. All other children's names match. All this info is in the New Jersey Rolls, which should be ready for you in about a week. Hansel

> This is my ROLL Family connection. > > Audrey Shields Hancock > > Jan MANGELSE/ROLL/RALL mar Tryntje PIETERS > Pieter Janse RALL mar Jannetje Du CHESNE > Jan Mangels ROLL mar Elizabeth (UNKNOWN) > Abraham ROLL mar Mary BROOKS > Jacob ROLL mar Elizabeth "Betsey" MILLS (Betsy d NJ;Jacob to OH) > Sarah "Sally" ROLL mar NJ to Ross DUNHAM (Went to OH) > James DUNHAM (Sr.) mar Anna SANDS > James DUNHAM (Jr.) mar Margaret Elizabeth SLONAKER > Gideon Winfield CREAGER mar Mary Jane DUNHAM > Raymond Dale SHIELDS mar Sarah Margaret CREAGER > Dale Caleb SHIELDS mar Rita Marie Margaret LEHMANN > Audrey Ann Patricia SHIELDS mar David Edward HANCOCK (Sr.)

This is the N.J. Family. There are two John Eddy Roll's. I believe this one is who the articles refer to, according to the names of his children. They were: William V. Roll, Frank Palmer Roll, & John Linden Roll. John Roll & Elizabeth Sickles Isaac Roll & Sarah Cauldwell John Roll & Mary Earl William Roll & Mary Eddy John Eddy Roll & (1) Harriet Van Dyke, (2) Sarah A. (Mosalauder) Case The other John Eddy Roll: John Roll & Elizabeth Sickles Isaac Roll & Sarah Cauldwell John Roll & Mary Earl William Roll & Mary Eddy Alpheus Pierson Roll & Mary Evan Mosalauder John Eddy Roll & (1) Phoebe D. Roll (2) Catherine (Theobald) Schuster Children by 1st wife, Phoebe D. Roll 1. Nellie P. Roll 2. Josephine Roll Children by 2nd wife, Catherine (Theobald) Schuster 3. Roy Linden Roll (this is the one who's records were destroyed) 4. Lillian Mae Roll This Phoebe D. (Roll) Roll fits in: John Roll & Elizabeth Sickles Isaac Roll & Sarah Cauldwell Jacob C. Roll & Sarah Pierson Pierson Roll & 2nd wife, Catherine Spencer Phoebe D. Roll & John Eddy Roll I hope this isn't confusing. Martha

Dear All, >>>My direct line is as follows: >>> >>> 1) Mangel/Mangle >>> m. Antje >>> 2) Jan Mangelse >>> b. 1635 Netherlands >>> m. 1660 Albany Co., NY to Trijntje Pieters >>> d. <4 Sep 1705 Staten Island, Richmond Co., NY >>> 3) Mangel Janse Ral/Roll >>> b. abt 1665 NY >>> m. abt 1691 NY to Annatje Henderiks Volkerts >>> d. 1744 >>> 4) Johannes (John) Rall/Rol/Roll >>> chr. 20 Aug 1699 New York City >>> m1) 17 Mar 1719 " " " to Aaltje Bas [mother] m2) abt 1725 Elizabeth Sickles >>> d. 1744 at sea? >>> 5) Abraham Roll >>> b. 29 Aug 1739 Morris Co., NJ >>> m1) 1758 Essex Co., NJ to Mary Brooks [mother] >>> m2) 1783 " " " to Caty Vreeland >>> d. 20 Oct 1813 Summit, Union Co., NJ 6) Jacob Roll [lived in OH] b. >1758 m. Elizabeth Mills 7) Aaron Rall b. 22 Feb 1784 NJ or NY m. abt 1809 Anne/Ann or Mary Ann DeRozelle/Roselle d. 1836 Lyons, Wayne Co., NY 8) Jacob Christopher Columbus Ralls b. 12 Feb 1810 Lyons, Ontario Co., NY m. 11 Nov 1838 Schuyler Co., IL to Elizabeth Kirkham d. 15 may 1883 Springfield, Greene Co., MO 9) Martha (Mattie) Virginia Rall b. 15 Mar 1845 Drakeville, Davis Co., IA m. 26 Mar 1865 " " " " in her mother's home to Daniel Hall Fleming d. 10 Mar 1933 Alhambra, Los Angeles, CA 10) Lillis Adel Fleming & Elmer Ellsworth Dugan 11) Louise Olga Dugan & Andrew Earl Dyatt 12) Jo Ann Dyatt & Leonard Leroy Pickering Jr 13) Pamela Jo Pickering & John Michael Mahan Slinker Also have seen my line two other ways. Second as follows: In generation # 4 have seen mother as wife #2 Elizabeth Sickles. And third as follows: Generation # 3-Pieter Janse Roll b. 1670 Albany Co., NY m. 1695 to Jannetje deChene d. 1712 Staten Island, Richmond Co., NY Generation # 4-Johannes/Jan/John Mangel Roll b. 1708 m. 1732 to Elizabeth or Elizabeth Sickles or Elizabeth Strickhauser d. 1782 New Providence, NJ Pamela Pamela J. Pickering Slinker 1971 Gwin Rd McKinleyville, CA 95519-3961 707: 839-7235 [email protected]

Dear Martha, Thank you for sharing your line. I saw on the 21st you were looking for children of Isaac Roll & Sarah Cauldwell. I have seen the following: 1) John b. 28 aug 1765,m. 1785 Mary Earl, d. Feb 1810/12 2) Mary Earl chr. 14 Jun 1767 d. young 3) James m1) Joanna Earl, m2) Abby Baker 4) Elizabeth b. 1771 d. <1775 5) Elizabeth (Betsey) b. 1775 m. Daniel Ayres 6) Catherine 14 Jun 1777 (one of two dates I have seen) m. 25 Jan 1849 Abner Woodruff d. 1838 [errors here] 7) Abigail 8) Jacob b. 1782, m. Sarah Pierson d. 1849 9) Abraham b. 1782/86 100 Sarah (Sally) m. Smith Thompson d. 1803 Pamela At 10:02 PM 2/21/1998 -0600, you wrote: >I can think of nothing else that I would rather be doing on Saturday Night >than working on Genealogy. The boys are gone to a friend's house to play >games on their computer so for a change, I get it. > >John Roll & Elizabeth Sickles > Abraham Roll & 1st wife, Mary Brooks > Jacob Roll & Elizabeth Mills > Joseph Roll & Nancy Barnet > William Alexander Roll & Lucy Ann Elizabeth Ray Cummings > James Hudson Roll & 2nd wife, Louisa May Totten > William Riley Roll & Golda Mae Woolums > Charles Hershell Roll & 2nd wife, Martha Jeanette Rowell > > By the way, I don't think I wrote to anyone but Betty that Charles >married again on October 4, 1997 to his first wife, Frances Louise King. > Hansel is a 2nd cousin to my sons, Charles William Roll & James Matthew >Roll. He is a dear friend and what is better than being related, is to >have a relative that is also a friend. I've never met him but I have met >his mother and she is a sweet person. Hansel has done more than I asked >him to do by donating this work and making it available to anyone who wants >it. What I wonder is how he could do this for the price he asks. Mail >almost cost that much. I know, I have mailed several hundred pages and >paper weighs a lot. I've never charged but several people have sent money >to cover the postage. >Martha > > > Pamela J. Pickering Slinker 1971 Gwin Rd McKinleyville, CA 95519-3961 707: 839-7235 [email protected]

Which family did JOHN EDDY ROLL belong to. I have LINCOLN and ROLL connections on sidelines, and would like to know if they were connected to the same lines. Donna Sears Chernick

Hansel, Check Illinois for Macon, Sangamon and Mason counties, IL, for Abe Lincoln events. He was in all these, besides visits to relatives in Coles Co., IL. Donna Sears Chernick

Welcome to the group. I always wanted to get to another Roll Reunion but never made it again. You probably have a lot of information that I don't have so if I write about a family that you have something different or more information on, feel free to let me know about it. I'm trying to get this Penn. Family into the computer now so everyone will have the information that I have. I never found a thing on Stephen or David. Not even the dates. There is a story about Stephen and I just came across it yesterday. Do you have it? The "Perilous Journey" by Kate M. Scott. Some researchers questioned if this was a story about Stephen Roll or more likely, his father John. I don't believe it was about John Roll. I found Wills and Land Deeds, a full notebook, I didn't know I had so many Wills. I haven't found what I was looking for yet and that is the stories. I haven't wrote letters for years and everyone must think I'm an old Scrooge because I haven't sent a Christmas Card either. The Genealogy just took so much time and I put it aside for awhile. Then, James, my youngest, talked me into buying this fancy computer. Do you remember him, Barney? He was about 2 weeks old when we were at the Reunion. Of course, I got into Genealogy again and found Bill's Webpage and Nancy had started this group and I seemed to jump back into it with both feet. Betty wrote me E-Mail and I can't remember the years we wrote to her brother, and I ran across a letter I got from her back in the 80's. It's amazing, I've known some of you people for almost 20 years. I know that you are Penn. Family but I suggest you get the information from Hansel on the N.J. Family. It does all tie in together. Martha

Hello Donna: Don't think I ever wrote to welcome you to the list, it is great we are growing. I saw you live in Bellevue. My mother is in a nursing home in Bellevue. I live in So Cal. but I grew up in Seattle. Nancy Lohbrunner

Are there still ROLL reunions? Tell us a little about them, please. Many people? From all over or local? One specific line? Thanks, Nancy

Thanks much for the infomatoin on THE WILDERNESS TRAIL I would love reading it sometime. Yes I am Carolyns Brother-- I still remember the time both us came to viset you and your husband when you lived near (ROLL) Ind,as I recall it was in february 1981. Also that same year you came to our Roll reunion in Greenville Oh, Its been a while. By the way in all your research have you ever found anything on STEPHEN ROLL son of JOHN ROLL ---pa line. THANKS BARNEY ---------- > From: Martha Roll <[email protected]> > To: Roll <[email protected]> > Subject: [ROLL-L] Attn: Barney > Date: Wednesday, February 25, 1998 6:21 AM > > THE WILDERNESS TRAIL isn't a book, but a short story. It's about the > settlers crossing the mountains from Virginia into Kentucky along The > Cumberland Gap. I can't remember the beginning point, but I believe the > end was at Louisville, Kentucky. A lot of families didn't make it through > mainly because of Indian attacks. > If I can't find my copy, I can get it from friends. I gave them a copy > many years ago and they are the ones with the scanner, if we can ever > figure out how to work it. If we can figure this scanner out, I will send > you a copy. I haven't sent the other things that I promised to send yet. > I will get it all out. > Are you the Byron Roll, brother of Carolyn (Roll) Brandon? If I > remember right, he used the name Barney. > Martha >

I don't have Susannah Swank's Parents names. I have done a little research in Kentucky over the internet. Kentucky has some good Genealogy information and I believe they had the Ky. Marriages and something about The Sears Cemetery but it has been awhile so I can't be sure. I use Altavista.digital.com and then Genealogy "Kentucky". It may be a / between Altavista & digital instead of a . Try it. I was surprised at what they had. I have a small booklet on the Ky. Marriages but I got it in the 80's and I don't think it is complete. It was when Genealogical Societies were very small and a lot more work has been done in the past 15 years. I'm glad I could help. Martha

Do you have the original pages that I sent to you? If you do, Catherine Roll & Abner Woodruff family will be on P. 248. More on P.249, 250, 251, 252. I didn't send these pages through Roll-L. I did send some pages through the group but when you joined the group and made the offer to furnish everyone a copy, I thought I would wait to find out what you have and update it from there. I have over 600 pages of this N.J. notebook so, I know I will have to fill in some. If you still have the original I sent to you, let me know the last P. # and I can go from there. I have sent these pages through the group. If you don't have part of these, I can send them to you. P. 3,4,6,9,53,57,58,63,89,126,127,153,154,162,165,168,329,330,331,347,362,363,4 74,537,538,539,540,541,542,600,601,602,603,604. Sorry to hear about your mother, she was a dear lady. I still miss Pappaw, William Riley Roll. I think of him often. Since I didn't know my way around town in Marion, Ind. he was asked to go with me when I needed to go someplace. He did. I love to yard sale so, if we saw a sign, we went. We had been for a couple of hours one day and turned down an alley to catch one. When we left, we got to the end of the alley and I asked which way to turn. He said, "Well, I don't know, I've been lost for 2 hours." Thank God for the good memories. John Eddy Roll & Abraham Lincoln did build a flatboat. the first time they put it into the water, it sank. That story might be in HISTORY OF EARLY SETTLERS OF SANGAMON COUNTY, ILLINOIS. by - John Carroll Power. 1876. I have it and I really need to get all these stories out so I can get to them easily. There's another one in Life Magazine - February 15, 1954 - LINCOLN'S LOST DOG. I'm not sure if the story of the Flatboat was in the book or if it was in John Eddy Roll's notes. The notations for all that should have been on P. 25. I would like a copy of your files on disk. I though I had most of your family in the notebook but you probably have added more since I was in contact with you last. My address is: 23845 Hwy. 114. N. Hollow Rock, Tenn. 38342 The Post Office has changed my address 3 times since I've lived here. Thanks, Martha