Hi Pamela: In will of John Roll of Turtle Bay, in the outward of NY, mariner, names wife ALLIDA and to my children, MANGLE ROLL and JOHN ROLL. (ALLIDA = AALTJE) "Abstracts of Wills, 'Collections of the NY Historical Society for the Year 1895, NY' Printed for the society 1896. (Library #B93N532) Abstracts of Wills, Vol IV, 1744-1735 on file in the surrogate's office city of New York" p 247 From NYG&B, Baptisms 1639-1730 Vol II, p 415. SI Hist Soc 1993. Parents, Johannes Rall and Aeltje Bars, child: Annatje, witn: Mangel Janse Ral and Antje Bars. (Annatje is NOT named in will of John Roll, she probably died before her father.) In the above will, the executors were Isaac bragaw, Sr., of Newton, and John Carhart, of Rye. Rye is in Westchester Co., NY where lived a John Roll who married a Phebe. Another mystery of a John Roll! Nancy

Hello Audrey: Do you happen to have the names of the children for Yellis Inyard? I have John, Antje, Christine, Charles and Tice. JOhn and Charles seem to cover the two grandfathers. Christine for maternal grandmother. (What was Carel Iniaart's wife's name, Marya Gleave?) According to my records, I think (completely scribbled) Antje Ingart and Jacobus Craven had daughter Alice. What is so interesting is the witn: for their dau's, Christina, bap was Joris Neefjes and Willemtje Borkelo. They moved to Bucks Co, PA where John Roll and Mary Nevis also went. Willemtje Borkelo was the step-daughter of Johannes Roll and dau of Margrietje, widow of Jan Marmanseen Van Barkelo. (Am I the only one who thinks that it might be possible if Johannes Roll and Margrietje had a son named John that he would go to Bucks Co, PA with his step- sister and her family? Also Johannes Roll had close ties to some of the Nevis family.) Back to the children of Antje Inyard and Jacobus Craven, (he probably died in Warminster, Bucks Co, PA) he and Antje Inyard also had a son named James b 1728 Bucks Co, Pa married Antje Nevius dau of Joris & Willemtie (Barkalo) Nevius. (I used the spellings as they were show in my reference.) I do not know what Barbara's credentials are, but she does write very well. She has access to a huge amount of reference material. I do know she is going to use Elizabeth Strickhauser for the wife of John Roll, Her editor seems to think she has enough circumstantial evidence to warrent it. I don't really care for that, even though I think it is probably correct, I would like proof before seeing it published. She is also putting a John Roll as son of Johannes and Margrietje with no proof. Too many John Rolls at this time with no proof of their parents. The Van Woggelum article was to have been published this spring, but she wanted more time for research for the Roll's and they wanted to run the Roll's in the edition after the Van Woggelum's so her editor was going to publish another of her article's this spring. She has been out of the country for the last two weeks and should be returning shortly. She does have an Enyard line. Don't know if any of this helps. Anyone else have any thoughts on this family? Nancy ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

In regards to your Enyart post tonight, it is really strange but I went to the local genealogical society today and made a copy of Barbara Barths last article in the NY G &B on Ysbrant Eldersz of Rensselaerswyck. Elsie/Alice Van Woggelum? is mentioned. Let me study your post for a couple of days. I am surprised that the data was posted on that list, did Roberta post it? I am sure Roberta has a copy of the Van Woggelum article Barbara wrote, which has not been published as yet. Barbara is the one writing an article on the Roll's, her Van Woggelum article will probably be out in July. I don't quite agree with all she has. Will write more about that later. ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

I have seen the following five children assigned to two sets of parents. 1) Johannes b. 1733 m1) 1756 Rachel van Winkle d. 1880/08 2) Catherine (Catron) b. abt 1735/41 m. Mr. Parsel 3) Rhoda Mary (Molly) b. abt 1737/41 m. abt 1754 John Woolley/Wooley 4) Abraham b. 1739 m1) 1758 Mary Brooks d. 1813 5) Jane (Jean) b. 1743m. abt 1760 thomas Cory/Corey d. 1828 The two sets of parents are Johannes (John, Jan) Rall/Rol/Roll & Aaltje Bas and Johannes (Jan,John) Pieterse Mangels Roll & Elizabeth ?/Elizabeth Sickles/Elizabeth Strickhauser. What verifications are you using to assign these children to which parents? Pamela Pamela J. Pickering Slinker 1971 Gwin Rd McKinleyville, CA 95519-3961 707: 839-7235 [email protected]

For those who are interested I am forwarding a message I received last year from a lady who was an officer in the de la Montagne Family Assoc. > >From: LoISTEWART >Subject: Re: de Ia Montagne ~ ~ >Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 11:31:25 -0500 (EST) >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: de la Montagne >Dear Nancy, >The Joseph who married Margrietje ROLL is one of our mysteries, too, I am >afraid. He was the son of Jan/John de Lamontagne and Annetie Waidron. >We can find no trace of either hIm or Margrietje after 1728 when they were >married. Riker confused him in adulthood with Joseph, the son of >Abram/Abraham Delamontagnie and Rebecca Van Huyse, who has many >descendants. >Since Rachel Smith1 sister of the Joseph who married Margrietje >ROLL1named all of her living brothers and sisters and all of the living >children >of her brothers and sisters in 1757, we are pretty sure that Joseph had died >by that time without any heirs. I am also afraid that I don't know which >Margrietje ROLL he married nor what happened to her. It seems to me >possible that Joseph died quite soon after the marriage, and the same >Margrietje married Johannes Waidron the next year. I suspect that Johanne >Waldron was the cousin of Joseph---and that kind of second marriage was >common but I would need to look at the marriage records and the baptisms for >Johannes and Margrietje to be sure. >Please keep me informed if you find out any more about our Joseph as >you work on the ROLL families. >Sorry I can1t be of more help. Lois Stewart >Printed on 03/08/97 at 10:48 Prodigy (R) Mail Page:01 > >

I'm sorry, but I'm in the dark. Would someone enlighten me as to what file is spoken about here? We lost our e-mail two days last week and in its place 24,900 (yes, 24,900) deleted e-mail messages from the past showed up in my inbox mailbox when I tried to compact my mail folders. In the meantime we lost incoming mail. Did I miss something here? Would appreciate your kindness in letting me know about the below mentioned file that Nancy is speaking of. Many, many thanks, Audrey -----Original Message----- From: NANCY N LOHBRUNNER <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [ROLL-L] Re: Roll History, and everything else >Hi Bill: > >When you have time, could you send me the file in Word 6.0? No hurry, like >you I am probably many light years away from entering data into my computer. > >Thanks >Nancy >

Hi Bill: When you have time, could you send me the file in Word 6.0? No hurry, like you I am probably many light years away from entering data into my computer. Thanks Nancy

Hello: I am forwarding a message that was posted on a RootsWeb list today. A group of list sponsors got together and collected recipes from their various lists for a cookbook. All profits will go to RootsWeb to help finance new equipment. New equipment is needed for the growing lists and GenWeb sites. Please visit the URL below. It is a good cause if you need a new cookbook and have an extra $10. Nancy << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> From: Shirley Subject: Rootsweb COOKBOOK -- taking orders now! Date: 03/10 Time: 12:57 AM Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245. 30]) by pimaia1w-ext.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA64364 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:55:09 -0500 Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09361; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:49:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:49:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:03:51 -0800 From: Shirley <[email protected]> Organization: ORGANIZED????? hahahahahaha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "list......ROOTS-L" <[email protected]> Subject: Rootsweb COOKBOOK -- taking orders now! References: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KfHvH.A.x2B.LRNB1"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/5288 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Hi, friends, The order form is up and ready at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4793/temp.html If you don't have internet access you can order via email. The cost of the book is $10.00 incl.tax/shipping, and we have OVER 500 recipes/remedies!!!! Orders will be taken until March 25...so order yours now. Remember, payment must be sent right away. We cannot order the books without advance payment. When ordering by email be sure to include your name, street address (where you want the book/s sent), number of books desired, and total $... Make check or money order payable to Homespun Cookbook and send it to Homespun Cookbook c/o 2200 Green Acres Dr. Rogers, AR 72758 If you have friends who are ordering books and it is possible, please give only one address to send all the books to. This will save us postage and increase the profit to ROOTSWEB... Thanks Sandi & Shirley PS - These will make great birthday, wedding shower and Christmas gifts! << End of Forwarded message >> ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

I want to clear up the following spouses and one chr. date. Please give bibliographic citation and include call # and library, if known, for each opinion. Daughters of Pieter Janse Roll & Jannetje du Chene Margrietje Roll chr. 1707 m. Joseph de la Montagne 1728 (See Margrietje dau of Mangle Janse Roll) Annetje Rol b. abt 1690/96 m1) Samuel Burnet <1718 m2) Jacob Ryt/Wright <1722 ("Collections of the NY Gen and Biog Soc" Vol IV, Staten Island DRC Records.p 20. Bapt parents: Samuel Burnet, dec. and Antje Mangels Ral, child: Samuel Oct 19, 1718, witn: Theunis Egbertsz. (he was step father of Antje Ral) Ibid, p 27. parents Jacob Ryt and Anna Ral, child: Maria bap May 20, 1722. Witn Jannetje DuChene. (mother of Antje Ral) Catharina Rol chr. 24 Oct 1694 (same date as her cousin) m1) Matthys Sweem <1719 m2) Samuel Beekman >1734 (Catherine Rol - You probably found the chr date in the LDS 1993 Ancestral File, I only use the LDS dates if I can find no other, we have to remember that these dates are only as good as the person who submits them. In most cases we do not know who the submitter was or what their documentation was. In this case I think the submitter probably mixed up the two cousins. Copied from the card files at the Staten Island Hist Soc, 1993. Issue of Matthias Swaim (Sweem) and Catharina Mangels Rol; Mary, Matthias bapt Apr 21, 1733-4, Cattren, Elizabeth, Jannetje bap ??? 22, 1727. (Jannetje named for mother, Jannetje DuChesne of Catherine?)) Nancy

At 02:28 PM 03-10-1998 -0500, you wrote: >For those receiving the Roll History from me--- > >As I was putting this together, I noticed that Family Chart # 513 and Family >Chart Number 210 pertain to the same family. I should have, but did not, >notice this as I was typing it in. There is some info on 513 that is not on >210. You may want to make some pen changes. I am keeping 210, and will >replace 613. > >Sorry about any confusion > >Hansel > Dear Hansel and Others, The package with the ROLL genealogy arrived Friday in perfect condition. Thank you. What a bundle it would have been if you printed it only on one side. Thank you for sharing. The more we share, the more likely the information will be available in the future to others. I'm still studying it. The Index really helps. Wonderful job. Remarkable stuff. I'm still looking for the ROLL genealogy my late father donated to the San Diego Public Library. I'm afraid they chucked it. What a shame. I'm suffering from information overload. What I have now will take me years to merge and organize. Nevertheless, I'm gaining a remarkable amount daily. Today I found on the internet more ROLLs in the Crimea in the Ukrane that emigrated to the Dakotas; they were German. The Germans had "colonies" all over Europe and Russian Asia going back several centuries. I found ROLLs from Germany that emigrated to Pennsylvania. I found the VAN BUSKIRK ancestors of Fytje ROLL who married Jacob MESEREAU. I already had many of the VAN BUSKIRKs, but this information has more details. For instance, Fytje ROLL's mother, Fytje VAN BUSKIRK, was first married to Tulip MAY before she married John ROLL November 03 1738 in New York. I find information like this every day on the internet. It's incredible, and the sites are growing and multiplying daily. Are you sure you don't need additional money to cover your expenses? I can't see how you got it all done for fifteen dollars. I am working on the files you sent me on disk. I have them in Word 6.0 now. I will try to merge them all into one file. I probably will save another single file as a .TXT file to cut down on the size and make searching faster. Others, in case you are not familiar with this ROLL genealogy, this is an older version of the pages that Martha and Lynn made over several decades. Hansel has retyped them, and added the index and updates. In any event, if you had the files, it would cut down on the work Martha has to do. The files contain a tremendious amount of information. But I'm sure Martha has added a lot more since the 1980s. Thank you Martha and Lynn. Anyone interested in the files in Word 6.0 format? There are about 30 of them. The whole package is about 2.52MEG. The thirty files avarage about 8.4K. The whole package or the individual files could be .ZIPped down to about half size for you if you have an archive extractor. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I could send the files in Word 6.0 unless they were in a .ZIP archive. Does anyone know? I could send the 30 .ZIPPed files as email attachments, but it would take time to deliver them all. Let me know. I'm willing and anxious to share. I have copyright plastered all over my web site. That's mostly for the commercial people. I really don't mind if you all copy the stuff to your heart's content. Be warned, some of the information is probably not accurate. Did you get the MARSH file ok, Hansel? Please note my new email address, which was a surprise to me. I think I have most of my distributed lists informed. But my web pages are another issue; there are almost seven hundred of them, and they al have to be changed. About 600 of the pages can be updated almost automatically with the Gedpage program, but they will still have to be uploaded manually. Sincerely, William Henry Roll [email protected] __________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll

You have: Daughters of Mangel Janse Roll & Annatje H. Volkerts Margrietje Roll chr. 1706 m. Joseph de la Montanje 1728 (First of all, I have no idea which Margrietje Roll (daus of Mangel Janse and Pieter Janse Roll) married Joseph de LaMontanje, 2 Mar 1728 or Johannes Waldron, 13 Apr 1729. At this time I don't think anyone can prove who married who. Even an officer of the de LaMontanje family told me they do not know who the parents of Margrietje was. Also I was told it might be possible that Joseph died young and his widow married "his cousin", Johannes Waldron.) Annetje Roll chr. 1704 m1) Samuel Burnet < 1718 m2) Philip Minthorne 1723 (Annetje Roll chr 25 Jun 1704 married Phillip Minthorn Jr on 9 Feb 1723 at DRC, NY, NY. If she had been the Annetje who married Samuel Burnet in 1718, she would have been 14 yrs old, possible, but not probable at this time. She was called Johanah in her father's will. In "Collections of the NY Gen and Bio Soc" Vol I, Marriages from 1639-1801 in the Ref Dut Ch, NY, marriage of Philip Minthorne and JOH RALL on Feb 9, 1723. (Staten Island Historical Soc., 1993) Her chr names her as Annatie Roll. In the will of Philipp Minthorne, "wife Johanna" and "bro-in-law John Roll") Catharina Rol chr. 24 Oct 1694 (same date as her cousin) m1) Matthys Sweem <1719 m2) Matthew Forber/Forbur <1722 (Catharina Rol chr 24 Oct 1694 RDC, NY,NY per "NY Genealogical and Biographical Society" Reformed Dutch Church, NY Baptism 1639-1730, Vol II, p 222. Staten Island Historical Society, 1993. "Palatine Families of New York 1710" p 613. 'There was a Catharina Mangle, wife of Matt Forber, who joined the NYC Ref Church 20 Nov 1715.' "New York Gen and Biog Soc Baptism 1639-1730" Vol II, p 434 RDC, NY. Staten Island Hist. Soc, 1993. 'Parents: Mathew Forbur and Catharina Ral, child: Susanna. Witn: Mangel Ral and Anje Ral (her parents). ibid p 491, RDC, NY. 'Parents: Samuel Beekman and Catharina Rol, child: Annaatje bapt May 15, 1729. Witn: Annaatje Rol and Philip Minthorn Jr. (Catharina's sister, Annaatje.)Samuel Beekman named as son-in-law in will of Mangel Janse Roll, proved April 19, 1744. "NY - Abstract of Wills", Vol II, p 169.) (You do not show two other daughters, I don't know if you do not need the data or if you do not have the two. So I will include them, please delete if you do not need.) (FRANCYNTJE ROL - "NY Gen and Biog Soc" RDC, NY Bapt 16391730, Vol II. p 266. dapt date of Aug 20, 1699. ibid. p 415. (I did not copy this correctly, will show exactly how I have it.) Also shown wed Robert Vesgate, issue, Elizabeth bap May 12, 1717. The bap of Francyntje is also shown on the LDS IGI NY as of Mar 1992, p 42,188.) (SARA ROL - "NY Gen and Biog Soc" RDC, NY Bapt 1639-1730, Vol II, p 355 bapt date of Sep 12, 1711. Also shown on LDS IGI NY as of Mar 1992, p 42,191. Staten Island Hist Soc, 1993. Nancy

For those receiving the Roll History from me--- As I was putting this together, I noticed that Family Chart # 513 and Family Chart Number 210 pertain to the same family. I should have, but did not, notice this as I was typing it in. There is some info on 513 that is not on 210. You may want to make some pen changes. I am keeping 210, and will replace 613. Sorry about any confusion Hansel

Hello: I am forwarding a message from the owner of RootsWeb. I really do not understand most of it, but maybe it might mean somthing to some of you. Just know that they might have lost some mail and archives. << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> From: Brian Leverich Subject: Internet Message Date: 03/09 Time: 08:13 PM Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233. 233]) by pimaia1y-ext.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA80224; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:10:17 -0500 Received: (from [email protected]) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA05684; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:58:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:58:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] cc: "Dr. Brian Leverich" <[email protected]> Reply-to: "Dr. Brian Leverich" <[email protected]> Subject: Serious Problems Out on the Net (and at home) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:58:50 -0800 From: Brian Leverich <[email protected]> Resent-Message-ID: <"4jwobD.A.fvG.94IB1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/37 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] As many of you have undoubtably noticed, the last week has been a mess out on The Net. Starting one week ago, some clown has been strobing all the hosts and routers on the Internet with an attack that is fatal (locks the machine such that it has to be power cycled to restart) to Win 95 and Win NT boxen. While this didn't directly affect RootsWeb (we're wall-to-wall Unix servers), it did kill one of our network neighbors' NT server. Unfortunately that NT server was providing reverse DNS for some of RootsWeb's boxes, so the NT server's repeated crashes caused major problems for us. It especially slowed mail deliveries from our list servers. To deal with this problem, the NT server has been "patched" to reduce its vulnerability to attack and we have taken various other technical measures to make us safer. Last night at 2am Sprintlink, with no warning to any of its customers, attempted to upgrade the operating systems on its backbone routers throughout the country. Things went badly south, and the Net is still very much crippled right now. The Sprintlink disaster essentially disconnected pieces of RootsWeb from The Net for several hours until we could adjust our routers to work around the down pieces of Sprintlink's backbone. As the Sprintlink disaster rippled through The Net, it also took down the routers at our feed from CRL. That happened while Karen and I were away from our keyboards, and the CRL down wounded our main list server. Some mail was lost, and we suspect some digests were damaged. We'll be fixing things for a few days. ): Ultimately there is no way that an individual site can insulate itself from a mess like last night, but we will be able to better protect ourselves as RootsWeb grows and operates more T1 connections to more Internet backbone carriers. Finally, this morning at 10am the textbase harddrive in the search engine box glitched and wedged, killing that server. Karen and I were working at that machine's console to revive it when the CRL link went down, which was why we couldn't save the mail server. Disk problems like this should go away as we upgrade all our servers to using redundant RAID-5 disk arrays, rather than depending on single drives. *sigh* Thank goodness weeks like this don't happen too often. As noted above, we'll be doing what we can to insulate ourselves from these sorts of problems in the future. One other thought: Karen and Brian will be away from our consoles all day tomorrow traveling on business that is critical to RootsWeb's future. It worries us a lot to leave the servers without someone physically at the consoles, but there will be some great sysadmins monitoring the site remotely and we think the potential benefits of this trip outweigh the risks of leaving the servers for a day. We apologize in advance if anything goes wrong, and we will be back late tomorrow night in any case. Cheers, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD- L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb. com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 [email protected] com << End of Forwarded message >> ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

I am forwarding this message from Bill. His ISP changed his e-mail address without warning. His new address is [email protected] << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> From: "William Henry Rol Subject: Re: I don't see my own messages? Date: 03/09 Time: 12:22 AM Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from redrivernet.com (redrivernet.com [208.212.201.2]) by pimaia1w-ext.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA46304 for <[email protected]>; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:21:50 -0500 Received: by redrivernet.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:24:38 -0800 Received: by redrivernet.com from wroll (208.212.201.149::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:24:35 -0800 Message-Id: <[email protected]> X-Sender: "Wroll" <[email protected]> X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:19:59 To: [email protected] (MRS NANCY N LOHBRUNNER) From: "William Henry Roll" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: I don't see my own messages? In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:14 PM 03-08-1998 -0500, you wrote: >I forgot to ask if you received any of the messages from Pamela today? > If not then you are not receiving any post from our list. > >Nancy > >____ >Nancy Lohbrunner >[email protected] > Dear Nancy, Could you forward this message to the ROLL-L list? It has some information some others might like to see. Thanks. MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS Yes. I received three messages on the ROLL-L list from Pamela today. Looks like I am receiving mail from the ROLL-L list, as well as other lists. But some of the lists will not post mail from me. I don't post to the lists much, so I haven't noticed the problem. I think my old email address will work for incoming mail now. Only the distributed lists have a problem. Yes. It looks like our ISP redrivernet.com has changed our return email addresses without telling us customers. ~$^&* #@!~ Guess I will have to unsubscribe and subscribe again to all the lists I belong to. That's about a dozen. WEB PAGE EDITOR REVIEWS I guess I'll have to change my email address on all my web pages too. That will be a big job. I will send the internet URL for any of the following free downloads to anyone that asks. ***I write my web pages in a regular word processor, Super Note Tab, rather in one of those newfangled web editors. FREE *I tried HIPPIE web page editor again last week. To tell you the truth, HIPPIE wasn't any better that what I'm doing now. I still had to use my word processor, and couldn't edit right on the web display. It just has a large number of nice bells and whistles. Besides it crashed once, and I didn't like that. SHAREWARE (pay after you try) ***Yesterday I downloaded another iteration of Netscape Gold web browser including it's web page editor. I hadn't tried this web page editor before. Netscape's web page editor shows some promise. You can edit web pages right on the web display. I may try using this wep page editor. Netscape Gold is free to all from the Netscape site. The four stars are for users with 16 MEG of hardware memory or more. ****Four stars for the web page editor only. I have found all versions of Netscape's browser to be buggy. FREE ****I had been trying Internet Explorer 4.0. I liked this browser. It includes Front Page Express. I ~liked~ Font Page's web page editor. You can edit the pages right on the web display. But alas, I only have 8 MEG of memory, and IE 4.0 used a tremendious amount of disk activity for virtual memory. I had to delete IE 4.0. Front Page ~requires~ IE 4.0. FREE ***I also downloaded Internet Explorer 3.0. I'm keeping this. I can use it to test the appearance of my pages on another browser. And the appearance ~is~ different on different browsers. IE 3.0 doesn't have a web page editor, but seems to run faster that Netscape 3.0. So I'll be using this one to surf the net. FREE MY ISP My ISP isn't very easy to deal with. It's run as an add-on operation out of the back door of an electronics and communications business. They provide local internet connections to Blythe, California; and Ehrenberg, Quartsite, Parker, and Lake Havisu, Arizona. I was flamed by one of the co-owners a couple of weeks ago. I had been asking about a week, without any response from them, for the URL of my new redrivernet web site. They had said I could have any directory name I wanted. I had asked for "windmill" as the directory name and they gave me "wroll." Too late to change the name now. They run the ISP in fire-department mode, just like the school district. They wait for a fire to start and then run to go put it out. No problem prevention activity is evident. Their servers are down a lot. I have been considering moving to gtenet. The advantage is that GTE puts the monthly charges right on the phone bill. Nancy, thanks for your help. Sincerely, William Henry Roll [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on." << End of Forwarded message >> ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Hi Bill: You will have to write to the various list sponsors, if you do not know who they are, just post to the lists and ask the list owners to unsubscribe your old address. Tell them your ISP changed the mailing address without prior notice. I understand it might take a few days for 'Smartlist' at Rootsweb to catch up, doesn't sound so smart. Of course you can wait till your old address gets enough bounces (number of bounces varies according to each list) and Smartlist will automatically cancel the address. I will cancel your old address on Roll-L. If you have any problems let me know and I can post a query to the listowners list for help. Good luck, Nancy

At 12:29 PM 03-09-1998 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Bill: > >You will have to write to the various list sponsors, if you do not know who >they are, just post to the lists and ask the list owners to unsubscribe your >old address. Tell them your ISP changed the mailing address without prior >notice. I understand it might take a few days for 'Smartlist' at Rootsweb >to catch up, doesn't sound so smart. Of course you can wait till your old >address gets enough bounces (number of bounces varies according to each >list) and Smartlist will automatically cancel the address. I will cancel >your old address on Roll-L. If you have any problems let me know and I can >post a query to the listowners list for help. > >Good luck, >Nancy > Dear Nancy, Thank you for the advice. Actually, rootsweb was no problem! Their server recognized me and unsubscribed, then resubscribed within seconds. As fast as I could send the messages the replies were there as soon as a looked. Congratulations to rootsweb! The problem is listserv and the other robot servers. I am going to try to use an anoymous mailer, there are several of them. I think that will do the job. I have heard of others using this method. Oddly enough, my server is still accepting mail at the old address. So there will be no bounces. Thanks again. Sincerely, William Henry Roll [email protected] __________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll

Cont. from Page 15. 282. PHOEBE VAN DYKE, 2nd child of ISAAC & CATHERINE (Van Dyke) ROLL. PHOEBE VAN DYKE ROLL M. 05/01/1851 CHARLES G. MANNING b. 02/20/1825 b. 08/17/1825 d. 02/08/1876 d. 10/13/1883 THEIR CHILDREN 1. OPHELIA M. MANNING b. 04/15/1852 d. 03/22/1929 Married: Willis H. Dille b. d. 10/17/1932 M. 06/06/1877 2. CHARLES W. MANNING b. 01/23/1855 d. 10/22/1909 Married: Mattie Cook Sprague b. d. 11/19/1924 M. 06/12/1877 3. DESDEMONA E. MANNING b. June 1858 Twin 4. ROMEO GOSS MANNING b. 09/26/1859 d. 07/06/1860 Twin 5. HORATIO ROBERT MANNING b. 09/26/1859 6. GUY MANNNING b. 06/10/1861 d. 07/26/1944 Married: Florence M. Marks b. d. 03/21/1925 M. 12/12/1888 Twin 7. OLIVE B. MANNING b. 10/29/1863 d. 08/28/1945 Never Married Twin 8. ELLA MAY MANNING b. 10/29/1863 d. 03/02/1864

I am forwarding this post from Bill to the Roll list. I do not know what happened but it did not go through the list, but sent to me as an error from the computer at Rootsweb. If you send a post to the list and do not receive a copy of it yourself, something went wrong. Let me know. The list is closed to only subscribers, so if you happen to use a different address, it will not post, but will come to me and I can forward it to the list. Bill, take a look at the header, it looks like your address came up as @mail.redrivernet.com and I think you subscribed as @redrivernet. com. Some ISP's change and don't let customers know. Send a test to the group and I will check it later tonight. << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> From: "William Henry Rol Subject: Balzar Stricksheiser Date: 03/08 Time: 02:53 AM Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233. 233]) by pimaia1w-ext.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA79508 for <[email protected]>; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 02:52:29 -0500 Received: (from [email protected]) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA18438 for [email protected]; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 23:43:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 23:43:35 -0800 (PST) X-From_: [email protected] Sat Mar 7 23:43:34 1998 Received: from bl-4.rootsweb.com (rootsweb.com [204.212.38.29]) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA18403 for <[email protected]>; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 23:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from redrivernet.com (redrivernet.com [208.212.201.2]) by bl-4.rootsweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA18605 for <ROLL- [email protected]>; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 23:52:17 -0800 Received: by redrivernet.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:54:57 -0800 Received: by redrivernet.com from wroll (208.212.201.135::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:54:55 -0800 Message-Id: <[email protected]> X-Sender: "Wroll" <[email protected]> X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Old-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:50:48 To: [email protected] From: "William Henry Roll" <[email protected]> Subject: Balzar Stricksheiser Cc: "Wroll" <[email protected]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list X-Envelope-To: ROLL-L Dear Members of the Roll List, I found today in "Immigrants to the Middle Colonies - A Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists and Associated Data from The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record" edited by Michael Tepper, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. 1979. in an article titled "Lists of Germans from the Palatinate Who Came to England in 1709." pp. 106-113. The article lists the document "Board of Trade Miscellaneous. Vol., a. No. D 68. Public Record Office, London. List of the Poor Palatines that are arrived in St. Cathrin's, the end of June, 1709. Third Arrivals -- Continued." Under "Coopers and Brewers" on p. 110. The chart lists "name | age | wife | sons [ages] | daus. [ages] | church ----------------------|-----|------|-------------|--------------|.... Stricksheiser, Balzar | 45 | wife | 9 | 13, 5 | Ref. " I think this is our Strickhauser (with an umlaut over the a), age 45 in 1709, father of Elizabeth Strickhauser the wife of John Roll. Sincerely, William Henry Roll [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll "A thousand candles have burned themselves out; yet I read on." << End of Forwarded message >> ____ Nancy Lohbrunner [email protected]

Dear Nancy, I have been messing around with all the mailing lists I subscribe to. Now I am receiving duplicate mailings from almost all of them. They refuse to unsubscribe me unless I use my old email address, which of course I can't. Maybe I will be moving to GTEs ISP sooner than I thought. Sincerely, William Henry Roll [email protected] __________________________________________________________________ William Henry Roll Blythe, California [email protected] The Roll Family Genealogy Windmill http://members.aol.com/whroll

Dear Members of the Roll List, I found today in "Immigrants to the Middle Colonies - A Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists and Associated Data from The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record" edited by Michael Tepper, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. 1979. in an article titled "Lists of Germans from the Palatinate Who Came to England in 1709." pp. 106-113. The article lists the document "Board of Trade Miscellaneous. Vol., a. No. D 68. Public Record Office, London. List of the Poor Palatines that are arrived in St. Cathrin's, the end of June, 1709. Third Arrivals -- Continued." Under "Coopers and Brewers" on p. 110. The chart lists "name | age | wife | sons [ages] | daus. [ages] | church ----------------------|-----|------|-------------|--------------|.... Stricksheiser, Balzar | 45 | wife | 9 | 13, 5 | Ref." I think this is our Strickhauser (with an umlaut over the a), age 45 in 1709, father of Elizabeth Strickhauser the wife of John Roll. Sincerely, William Henry Roll [email protected]