Thanks for all the information. I don't know where Allen P. Rogers fits in all of this, but I hope to find something. My great-grandmother was Cleopatra Rogers born 1854 in Ala. Her father was Allen P. Rogers found in the 1860 Census of Franklin Co., Ala., born 1804 NC. She was 6 years old at this time. According to census he was married within the year to Elizabeth ????. His first wife ???? His youngest child was 1 year old. Unless census is wrong, which is possible. His children in 1860 are: Margaret, 17; Melonta, 15; William D.,12; Lucinda, 10; John C. 8; Cleopatra, 6; Sarah J., 4; Modenia, 2; Manda B., 1; all born in Ala. In 1865, Price Deverlin Rogers or Deverlin Price Rogers was born so I am guessing that probably the P. in Allen name stands for Price???? I found an 1810 census of Rutherford Co., NC. with an Allen Rogers as head of household and wife with two sons under 10 years of age. One of these sons could be my Allen. I don't know anything else other that this. Thanks for all the information and any additional information will be greatly appreciated. Nancy Carolyn [email protected] wrote: I am just coming into this conversation, and need to study everything that has already been written. But I wonder if I may have a clue to the missing piece to this puzzle of Allen P. Rogers. I am a direct descendant of Joseph Rogers born in about 1694 in Surry County. VA. He and his wife (probably Mary Fargeson, but there is some disagreement on that) had at least 10 children. I am the direct descendent of their son Aaron (b. 1726 in Surry Co., VA d. 1780 in Wake County, NC). Joseph and his wife's youngest son was Michael Rogers (b.1738 d.1797 in Wake County, NC). Michael married Celia Boykin (1745-1820) and had at least 10 children. One of these children was an Allen Rogers. This Allen Rogers lived most of his life in Wake County, NC and is buried at Wake Crossroads (formerly Rogers Crossroads). I don't have a date of birth, but he would have been born before 1804. He was quite well known in North Carolina, serving as a colonel in the War of 1812 and being elected to the state senate. He even entertained French General Lafayette in 1825! He left numerous written records but I cannot document his children. There is Col. Allen Rogers will, August Term 1848, Recorded in book B.B. Pages 384 which names "my two sisters, Rebeca (sic) and Sarah Rogers" as sole heirs. But there is also a will for Allen Rogers Sr. dated Feb. 1, 1839, Wake County. Also, the 1860 will of Benjamin Rogers (husband of Ann D. Rogers) mentions a Henrietta M. Rogers, "daughter of my deceased nephew Allen Rogers" and says she has lived with him for a number of years. All this is to say that I am really wondering if the Allen Rogers born in 1804 is one of these Wake County men, or one of their sons. There are estate papers that list one of these men as the father of eight children, including an "Allen Jr." Or am I just muddying the water??? Mary Rogers Church Raleigh, NC In a message dated 6/11/2007 5:03:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: How interesting! It certainly backs up the information in the novel by Elizabeth Crook. Thanks for taking the time to send us this. Rosalie In a message dated 6/11/2007 3:45:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Carolyn WE have some of the southern's sorted out at www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2 RECORDS --Scroll down to "C" to biographies of folks involved with Cherokee People. John Rogers Sr. was a white man involved with the Cherokee. His Cherokee 'wife' was Elizabeth Emory. Eliz was the dtr of William Emory and Susannah Grant, dtr of Ludovic Grant and Eugihooti. John Sr. and Elizabeth ran a trading post and ferry at Old Hiwassee town which is just west of the intersection of Hwy 411 and the Hiwassee River in Polk Co TN. This is where it gets a bit complicated. Elizabeth Emory's first husband was trader Robert Dew (Dewes). Their dtr was Jennie. After Elizabeth, the elder John Rogers took up with Jennie Dew/Due. Their child was Talahina/Diana Rogers. John Rogers, Jr. was the son of John Sr by his white wife in Virginia. He was spouse of Jennie Due and father of Talahina Rogers. John Jr is recorded a few times having done business in the early 1800's in McMinn County, TN before1824. Sam Houston was 'adopted' by Chief John Jolly who originally lived in the Tellico village then later on Hiwassee Island at the mouth of the Hiwassee River where it enters the Tennessee River. Sam was originally from Blount County and had spent some time at Tellico with Jolly. He'd apparently encountered Talahina/Diana and had a relationship with her during that time. Jolly's brother was Tahlonteeskee. Tahlonteeskee had left this area in 1809 with a group of several hundred Cherokee which became known as the "Old Settlers". In 1817, John Jolly left with another group of people. He'd learned that Tahlonteeskee had passed and apparently went there as leader of the Old Settlers. He became chief there in Arkansas in 1817. >From 1812 to 1818, Sam Houston was involved with the War of 1812 and was at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend. He was Cherokee Indian Agent until he resigned in 1818 at Fort Strother, Alabama. In 1824, John Roger, Jr. left Cherokee Nation east for Arkansas. He is credited for founding Fort Smith in Arkansas. I don't know if Diana was with the 1817 party or the 1824 party. At some point I do know that Sam Houston stayed with his adopted father, John Jolly and Diana Rogers for awhile. He went to Texas to fight in the Mexican wars there after this time. Joyce Gaston Reece www.tennesseegenealogyresearch.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Bryant" To: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [ROGERS] John & Joseph Rogers > Joyce, I would be interested in reading what you found about the John > Rogers and Sam Houston. I know that Allen P. Rogers was born in NC and > later settle in Ala. Supposely his family were Native Americans. Nancy > > "Joyce G. Reece" wrote: There has been a lot of > work done on these two John Rogers associated with > Sam Houston. If anyone is interested I'll post the data > > Joyce Gaston Reece > www.tennesseegenealogyresearch.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [ROGERS] John & Joseph Rogers > > >> >> >> I don't know if this is would be any help. However, I just read a >> historical novel called The Raven and His Bride about Sam Houston. The >> chief and >> brothers of the Cherokee tribe he lived with for many years and kept >> contact with >> for this lifetime were of the surname Rogers. I am a Rogers descendent >> and >> when I read this in the book it surprised me and embedded itself in my >> brain. >> The book is by Elizabeth Crook of Austin. She has a website if you >> wanted >> to ask a question of her. >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 6/11/2007 10:08:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Thanks for reply. These could possible be cousins. Would you know if >> any >> are Native Americans?? Census I have on Allen P. Rogers list his family >> as >> white, but through the grapevine so to speak, they were possibly Native >> Americans. I have been searching for this connection and cannot find >> anything in >> writing. Nancy >> >> [email protected] wrote: Nancy, >> >> Here is a listing of my Rogers from that timeframe. Not sure where they >> were born but this information is retrieved from the family bible I was >> able to >> locate. >> >> 1. Joseph ROGERS b. 09/15/1783 d. 02/23/1865 m. Margaret MORGAN >> 03/17/1805 >> 2. Rachel Rogers b. 05/25/1805 m. John W______? >> 3. Thomas Rogers b. 10/07/1807 >> 4. Harvey Rogers b. 04/13/1808 >> 5. Yancey Rogers b. 04/13/1809 >> 6. Elizabeth Rogers b. 02/09/1810 >> 7. Samuel Rogers b. 11/05/1817 >> 8. Nancy Rogers b. 09/13/1819 >> 9. William Rogers b. 07/17/1819 d.06/11/1853 m. Melissa >> LIEURANCE ...02/20/18__ >> 10. Mary Ann Rogers b.06/05/1821 d.08/27/1846 >> 11. Josiah Rogers b. 06/17/1823 d. 02/27/1840 >> 12. David Rogers b. 12/04/1826 d. 12/18/1897 >> 13. unknown Rogers b.??? d. ??? m. Marion WELLS >> 1. Son Chester Wells b.08/__/1870 >> 2. Son Persis Wells b. 08/__/1871 >> 14. Edgar Olonzo Rogers b. 03/13/1855 >> 15. Wallace Lilbern Rogers b. 12/22/1857 m. Harriet Ellen >> WILLIAMS >> 10/24/1885 >> 16. Lota Ann Rogers b. 02/22/1860 d. ??? m. Daniel F. WHITE >> 12/04/1879 >> >> Greg Rogers >> Red Bluff, CA >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carolyn Bryant >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 7:14 am >> Subject: Re: [ROGERS] John & Joseph Rogers >> >> >> >> Allen P. Rogers born abt. 1804 in NC settled in Franklin Co., Ala. I do >> not >> now anything about his parents or brother or sisters, etc. He had nine >> hildren living with him in the 1860 census of Franklin Co. The oldest >> daughter >> as 17 years of age. >> Any help appreciated. Nancy Carolyn >> [email protected] wrote: >> My cousins and I are attempting to separate the many different Rogers >> amilies of colonial Virginia during the time period of the first half of >> the >> 700's. >> e descend from John Rogers (born abt 1720/25 and died 1790 in Fairfield, >> SC- >> ccording to his son Joseph's Rev. War pension application) John was in >> melia between 1748 and 1750. We do not believe he stayed in Amelia >> County, >> VA >> ery long. >> Complicating this search is the fact that the name John Rogers was a very >> ommon one during the 1700's especially in Virginia. According to John's >> 1790 >> ill in Fairfield, his children were: William, Richard, Thomas, James, >> Joseph, >> enry, Frances and Jane. >> In addition we are searching for anyone with Rogers or Rodgers >> connections >> in >> incoln Co., TN, Bedford Co., Rutherford Co., TN, or Madison Co., AL. We >> elieve some of our Rogers may have lived in some or all of these places. >> Our ancestor, Joseph Rogers, originated in Tennessee in Rutherford Co., >> and >> edford Co. (although he had also lived in Amelia Co., VA, Fairfield, SC, >> ayette Co., KY, and Oglethorpe Co., GA. However, there are at least one >> or >> two >> ther Joseph Rogers floating around during this time period and >> places--notably >> >> oseph Rogers who was born in 1788 in SC. (He married Nancy Mullings). >> According to early records, In Rutherford County, there were five Rogers >> orking on the Barfield Road in 1808: James, Joseph, John, Isaac, and >> David. >> In 1813, a person was sent from Rutherford Co., TN to Madison Co., >> ississippi Territory (today Madison Co., AL) to obtain a deposition from >> John >> ogers >> nd Isaac Rogers at the house of John Rogers. I believe this John and >> Isaac >> ogers probably were 2 of the 5 working on the Barfield Road in RC five >> years >> arlier. >> In the 1820 Lincoln Co., TN census some of the Rogers enumerated were >> bsolom, Isaac, John H., Jones, Joseph, Spencer, and William Rogers. It >> appears >> hat >> t least some of these men were involved in the above road-building crew >> and >> n the court deposition in Madison Co., AL (just across the state line >> from >> incoln Co., TN). >> How are these Rogers connected? >> Some believe that they could be children or grandchildren of the Joseph >> ogers who was born in 1750 in Amelia Co., Va and in his later years moved >> to >> utherford and Bedford Counties. >> Others believe that all these Rogers are related to the Joseph Rogers who >> was >> orn in 1788. One person states that Isaac Rogers may be the father of >> bsolam and Joseph Rogers (born 1788). >> Or could the Joseph Rogers (born 1750) be the father of many of these >> en--especially of Absalom, John, and Joseph (born 1788)? >> Any direction or help by Rogers researchers reading this in locating or >> eparating the many Rogers names would be much appreciated. 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