Thanks Wolf . I also have ancestors from Germany, All of them are brick walls . Can't find the Ship they came on. Just as if they all appeared in ILLINOIS out of nowhere . My Henry ROAK has been a mystery for over 6 years , he must have changed his name when he left Germany in 1857 ,as there are no ROAK's there . Will check out your homepage and hopefully can find a clue . Thanks much . Joyce in ILLinois , USA