Thanks,Lillian Oklahoma must be quite a change from Indiana. Personally I think there in no place like Indiana, but maybe I am predjuiced- I've lived here all of my life. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "lillian chastain" <willow358@cox.net> To: <ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:41 PM Subject: [RC-ROOTS] Dorothy > Hello Dorothy, so glad to hear from someone who is from the same beautiful state, was born in Lake co, raised in S.B., been in OKC for the last 25yrs, am hoping to move back and be near the rest of my family, now that we're getting older. Really enjoy this bunch of great people on here, the comp is a life saver after you retire. I have gotten lucky with my family most being from the Hoosier state.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,good hunting,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lillian > > > ==== ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > To join the SENIOR-NEWBIE list, for learning to use the computer and the internet: > please click here and send: > mailto:SENIOR-NEWBIE-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

I tried it. Worked O.K. It is a City, apparently in the U.K. Lots of information on it. DMB ----- Original Message ----- From: "ETM (State of Virginia)" <elainetm@comcast.net> To: <ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [RC-ROOTS] Sunderland? > I don't have the vaguest idea. The link also didn't work for me. > Where did you get the link? > > Elaine > > Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative. --Oscar > Wilde > > Hello Virginia > > On Thursday, May 22, 2003, you wrote > > > > Can someone please tell me -- what is Sunderland?The link to > > www.sunderland.com doesn't come with anything. > > > Virginia > > > > ==== ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO CONTACT THE LIST ADMIN: > please click here and send: > mailto:ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Lillian, I just received a packet pertaining to my grandpa's claim (in Arkansas) and it did have his signature on 4 or 5 documents. I can verify that it was his actual signature. Most of the forms were filled out by the agent, but there were also a few hand written notes from grandpa. I found the documents and other papers pretty interesting. Mary (Texas) -----Original Message----- From: lillian chastain [SMTP:willow358@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:22 PM To: ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [RC-ROOTS] Land Patent Would any of the long time researches know if everything on the form they fill out, is done by the agent or is there somewhere on that piece of paper that actually has the person applying, signature?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ==== ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS Mailing List ==== HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM DIGEST MODE: please click here and send: mailto:ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

And, while it didn't work for me the first time, it did now. I suspect the website was having problems earlier. Elaine TV is chewing gum for the eyes. --Frank Lloyd Wright Hello Wayne On Thursday, May 22, 2003, you wrote > The link works perfectly for me -- Sunderland is a city in the United > Kingdom (England) -- from the link, the city is located on the Wear River, > Southwest of New Castle. It has a University -- The University of > Sunderland, and a newspaper (Sunderland Today) on line from the link you > give. > Aloha > Wayne, NH6K > -----Original Message----- > From: Virginia Leighty [mailto:vleighty@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:30 AM > To: ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RC-ROOTS] Sunderland? > Can someone please tell me -- what is Sunderland?The link to > www.sunderland.com doesn't come with anything. > Virginia

Would any of the long time researches know if everything on the form they fill out, is done by the agent or is there somewhere on that piece of paper that actually has the person applying, signature?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

http://www.sunderland.com/ Does that work? Sharon

It took me to a city in Britain, and a University by the same name. Looks like an ISP to me. Sharon Ancestor Chronicles: Our Kin And Their Times http://groups.msn.com/AncestorChroniclesOurKinAndTheirTimes/ Please visit, join, and share your family stories ----- Original Message ----- From: "ETM (State of Virginia)" <elainetm@comcast.net> To: <ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [RC-ROOTS] Sunderland? > I don't have the vaguest idea. The link also didn't work for me. > Where did you get the link? > > Elaine > > Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative. --Oscar > Wilde > > Hello Virginia > > On Thursday, May 22, 2003, you wrote > > > > Can someone please tell me -- what is Sunderland?The link to > > www.sunderland.com doesn't come with anything. > > > Virginia > > > > ==== ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO CONTACT THE LIST ADMIN: > please click here and send: > mailto:ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I don't have the vaguest idea. The link also didn't work for me. Where did you get the link? Elaine Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative. --Oscar Wilde Hello Virginia On Thursday, May 22, 2003, you wrote > Can someone please tell me -- what is Sunderland?The link to > www.sunderland.com doesn't come with anything. > Virginia

To Nancy and others, The following story is most more complex (detailed) than some of the other articles I referred to previously ; however, it certainly supports the belief that "our relatives want to be found". Jim Hodges ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Missing Links, Vol. 8, No. 17, 27 April 2003 DETECTIVE WORK, SERENDIPITY, and DETERMINATION by Melissa Freeman Within the space of three years I experienced the death of my three remaining grandparents. My sister had just produced the family's one and only grandchild and I suddenly fely the need to connect to my past and my grandparents' memory in some tangible way. I began surfing the Net at lunchtime trying in vain to find Information that might assist. Coincidentally, a fellow worker hailed from the same area of England from which my father's family had emigrated some 50 years ago. He provided me with URLs for two sites which became essential in my search, http://www.genuki.org.uk/ and http://www.sunderland.com/. As luck would have it, I also had my grandparents' place of birth on a birth certificate and passport. My father, who had been 12 at the time of the family migration from Sunderland, UK to South Australia, had limited memories of his parents' families. His father had cut off connections with his family upon migration in 1951 and his mother had been adopted and had no knowledge of her biological parents. At first we thought finding my grandmother's biological family would be impossible, until I discovered a Web site which told me that adoption wasn't legal in England until 1927. My grandmother had been adopted in 1913. Once I realised this was only a foster arrangement I knew I could try to find her birth certificate. I took a punt and requested the certificate under her middle name with the assumption that her known date of birth was correct. Bingo! Four weeks later I had her birth certificate in my hands. There was no father's name, but the mother's name (my great- grandmother) was there. Luckily, her birth mother's last name was unusual. I had access to the BDM from 1837 to 1988 in our National Library so I began to trawl through it looking for all women with that name who were born between 1890 and 1895 making her between 18 and 23 when my grandmother was born. There were at least three possibilities and then I had some luck. I made the assumption that she had probably married at some point in her life and logically, already having had one child, would probably have another child within about nine months of her marriage. After 1913, all births on the BDM Register had the mother's maiden name and the father's surname. There it was, a record of a male child born to a woman with the same name and in the same location as my own grandmother. I obtained the couple's marriage certificate and it listed my great-grandmother's father's name. In the meantime, I had posted a very short query about the pub my grandmother's foster father ran in Sunderland. I mentioned no names other than that of the pub and the publican. The one and only response to my note was bizarre but true, from the niece of my grandmother's foster mother. She noted that she remembered the pub and her uncle and aunt and that she had a photograph of their adopted child (my grandmother) sitting with her mother. Did I know these people? Well, once we'd made a connection, this lovely lady took it upon herself to provide me with a wealth of information. Not only did she know details of my family on my grandmother's side but also her family had connections with my grandfather's family. She found my grandmother's baptism certificate in their local library and the father's name matched the name on the marriage certificate I had obtained. We now knew that it was the same woman and that two years after my grandmother was born, she had remarried and had at least one more child. The task was to find the family. We had some family stories that they had migrated to South Africa. Then, the second bizarre coincidence occurred. I had posted another notice on the Sunderland notice board looking for any people connected to my great-grandmother's new family. Within a week another notice appeared on the board looking for the same people. When they noticed my note they sent me an e-mail asking my connection. It was a very strange experience to e-mail cousins in Canada to tell them we existed. Luckily, they knew of my grandmother's birth and fostering and were very ready to welcome us into the family. We now all correspond over the Internet and have exchanged many photos and stories as we attempt to close the gap on a family separated for over 86 years. This was my first exploration into genealogy and it was incredibly rewarding. The resources are out there. It just takes a lot of detective work, serendipity, and determination. [This article was submitted in 1999 in connection with Megan Smolenyak's search for stories to consider for inclusion in a companion book to the PBS "Ancestors" series. Missing Links also received a copy. The e-mail address that the Australian author used in 1999 no longer works and I do not have a new one for her.] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ PERMISSION TO REPRINT articles from MISSING LINKS is granted unless stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is not used for commercial purposes; and (2) the following notice appears at the end of the article: Previously published in MISSING LINKS, Vol. 8, No. 17, 27 April 2003 http://www.petuniapress.com

Can someone please tell me -- what is Sunderland?The link to www.sunderland.com doesn't come with anything. Virginia

While I can't say for absolute certainty that the signature is my Great Great Great Grandfathers (I don't have a proven example), I do know the signature is different that the writing on the rest of the certificate. Aloha Wayne, NH6K -----Original Message----- From: lillian chastain [mailto:willow358@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:22 PM To: ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [RC-ROOTS] Land Patent Would any of the long time researches know if everything on the form they fill out, is done by the agent or is there somewhere on that piece of paper that actually has the person applying, signature?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ==== ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS Mailing List ==== HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM DIGEST MODE: please click here and send: mailto:ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Yes it does - at least from Hawaii! Aloha Wayne, NH6K -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Workman [mailto:workman@dreamscape.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:14 PM To: ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RC-ROOTS] Sunderland? http://www.sunderland.com/ Does that work? Sharon ==== ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS Mailing List ==== HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM LIST MODE: please click here and send: mailto:ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The link works perfectly for me -- Sunderland is a city in the United Kingdom (England) -- from the link, the city is located on the Wear River, Southwest of New Castle. It has a University -- The University of Sunderland, and a newspaper (Sunderland Today) on line from the link you give. Aloha Wayne, NH6K -----Original Message----- From: Virginia Leighty [mailto:vleighty@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:30 AM To: ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [RC-ROOTS] Sunderland? Can someone please tell me -- what is Sunderland?The link to www.sunderland.com doesn't come with anything. Virginia ==== ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS Mailing List ==== HOW TO CONTACT THE LIST ADMIN: please click here and send: mailto:ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 5/21/2003 12:00:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, ROCKINGCHAIR-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > What is the name of the newsletter you belong to. These story's sound like > they would be interesting. > Nancy Nancy, my two favorites are Rootsweb Review and Missing Links. I think they are both weeklies. They have lots of both useful and interesting information. The "serendipity" articles I mentioned appear occasionally but not in every issue. My "old geezer" mind regularly dumps a lot of useful information <g>, but it seems that I read something a year or so ago about a web site and/or mailing lists that focuses on serendipity experiences. You might do a Google search (or other search engines). If you find anything specific, it would be great if you would share it with us. The information below should enable you to subscribe to the newsletters. Jim Hodges ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ RootsWeb Review, 21 May 2002, Vol. 6, No. 21 RootsWeb's HelpDesk: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ ======== RWR-on@rootsweb.com -- this adds you to the RWR Mailing List. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Subj: Missing Links, Vol. 8, No. 18 , 4 May 2003 To SUBSCRIBE (or UNSUBSCRIBE) from MISSING LINKS and SOMEBODY'S LINKS, search the database, read online or download back issues, enjoy the illustrated versions of some articles previously published in MISSING LINKS, or make a donation to Petunia Press go to http://www.petuniapress.com/ .

What is the name of the newsletter you belong to. These story's sound like they would be interesting. Nancy

Enjoyed those stories Jim - I think this site should not only surnames, etc....but genealogy "notes" too! Ruth Foster---don't have any serendipitous moments just yet.

Dear "fellow" rockers, Your feelings are certainly understandable and sometimes shared. But, I'm convinced there is another, and exciting, side to the search for ancestors. A couple of years ago some folks were talking about the concept of "serendipity". The genealogical interpretation of this was that "OUR ANCESTORS WANT TO BE FOUND". Since then I have printed off (but not saved to a disk) quite a few stories of people who were led, in a variety of ways, to find their ancestors. I have no way of sharing the specific stories with you, but I remember a few of the events, such as: 1. A lady and her husband were exploring the homeland of their ancestors and the woman had a weird feeling that they should turn down a specific road. A bit later, the feeling came back that they should turn down another road. Very shortly, they came to a cemetery. Guess what! They found gravestones for several lost relatives. 2. Another person was doing research in a library and was sitting near some book shelves, thumbing through books. She happened to glance down at a bottom shelf and saw a single book there. She picked it up and laid it on the table. As she was glancing though it, It fell open to a page that had quite a bit of information about her ancestors. 2. More recently, a man was standing at the gravestone of a relative and asked out loud, "Where is "John Smith"? Almost instantly the name of a church popped in his head, one he had never hear of. After talking to others, he found the small, out of the way, church and the gravestone of the relative he was looking for. Like I said, there a many such stories in the genealogy newsletters that I get on the Internet. So now, when I go places, I know my relatives want to be found so I look and hope. So far, I haven't found any that way, <G>, but I haven't been on any trips for quite some time. Keep the faith! Jim Hodges = = = = = = = = = = 19 May 2003 From: Cathe125@aol.com Subject: [RC-ROOTS] Play hard to find? OK......Shall we all play hard to find.....as our Ancestors sure seem to (LOVE) playing? Should we leave the next Census with no information....like dodge them when we see them coming....not answer the questionnaire? In about 100 years....we know they will be like "US" desperately searching for any remnants they may find..........Leave them with the insatiable desire to find their roots and desperately seeking which Susan? Ha! Susan, Suzanne, Suesan, etc.!! Just venting! Thanks, Fellow desperate searchers :O) = = = = = = = = = = 19 May 2003 From: "Joyce Spike" <joycespike@geneseo.net> Hi , know how you feel . Some times it helps to " VENT " prevents a heart attack ,ulcers etc . Hope it helped you . Happy Hunting . Joyce in ILLinois = = = = = = = = = 19 May 2003 From: "Nancy Coombs" <nrcoombs@pivot.net> Good venting! My husband gets it all at my house, and it sure is frustrating!! Feel better?! Nancy = = = = = = = = = = 19 May 2003 From: "Sharon Workman" <workman@dreamscape.com> I agree that our ancestors play dirty sometimes. I finally afte r years of hunting nailed the family of my great grandmother. Her name was Nettie Walker, but I finally found her in the 1870 census as Nettie Sperry. Her father died in 1864 in a Confederate prison camp. Her mother remarried to a man named Adelbert Sperry, and the children were listed under that surname. Now, I ask you. Was that fair? Sharon

1880 Census of all Bergeau: BOURGEOIE, E. MotherL <1815> F W LA LA BORGIA, Peter Self <1816> M W PA PA BORGIA, Mother Mary Other <1825> F W ME PA BORGIA, Mary Other <1840> F W ME CA BOURGEAU, Peter Self <1840> M W CAN NY BORGIA F., Other <1842> F W ENGL PA BOURGEAU, Selina Wife <1844> F W CAN IL BOURGEAU, Joseph Self <1845> M W CAN IL BORGIA, Novia Self <1845> M W ITAL NV BORGIA, Felix Self <1849> M W CAN WI BORGIA, Mary Other <1849> F W OH OH BORGIA, Katharina Other <1850> F W ITAL NYC BOURGEAU, Charlie Other <1851> M W CAN MI BOURGEA, Charles Other <1852> M W CAN VT BOURGEAU, Mary Wife <1853> F W NY NY BORGIA, Frances Other <1856> F W KY KY BORGIA, Lutheria Wife <1856> F W NY WI BORGEAU, Edw. Self <1858> M W LA LA BORGEAU, Matilda Wife <1858> F W LA LA BORGIA, Mary Other <1859> F W PA PA BOURGEAU, Frederick Son <1867> M W IL IL BOURGEAU, Alfred Son <1870> M W NY NY BOURGEAU, Henry Son <1871> M W IL IL BOURGEAU, George Son <1872> M W NY NY BOURGEAU, Selina Dau <1872> F W IL IL BOURGEAU, Ellen Dau <1874> F W IL IL BOURGEAU, Eva Dau <1874> F W CAN NY BOURGEAU, Elizabeth Dau <1876> F W IL IL BORGIA, Lula Dau <1876> F W WI WI BOURGEAU, Arthur Son <1878> M W NY NY BORGIA, Jesse Son <1878> M W WI WI BORGEAU, Sylvester Son <1878> M W LA LA BORGEAU, Edgar Son <18

Ok ....If anyone on the list have any of these people on their Tree or know someone that might can help me find more information on these people, Please let me know. Frustration has kicked in and I need a Boust. Here goes: My Grandfather= Dosily (Doza Lee) Bergeau (Cannot find anything on) My GGrandFather= Francois Joseph Bergeau b) May 7, 1865 m. 1) Donitaile (Valentine) Johnson (9 children) m. 2) Oline Deshotel (5 children incl. Dosily) MyGGGrandfather=Francois Villeret Bergeau b) Jan 8, 1847 m) Marie Azelie (or Estelle) Leger on July, 19, 1865 other children unknown? Francois Villeret Bergeau Father) Francois Bergeaux b) April 5, 1817 Mother) Euphrosine Roy(?) married) Dec 31, 1835 Francois Bergeaux Father) Joseph Bergeaux mother) Marie Victaire Miller If you can place any of these people, Please let me know. Thanks, Cathey

I agree that our ancestors play dirty sometimes. I finally after years of hunting nailed the family of my great grandmother. Her name was Nettie Walker, but I finally found her in the 1870 census as Nettie Sperry. Her father died in 1864 in a Confederate prison camp. Her mother remarried to a man named Adelbert Sperry, and the children were listed under that surname. Now, I ask you. Was that fair? Sharon