>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:37:34 -0700 (PDT) >From: [email protected] >Subject: ROBLEE-D Digest V98 #8 >X-Loop: [email protected] >X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/volume98/8 >To: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] > >ROBLEE-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 8 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Fwd: Families [Douglas Detling <[email protected]] > #2 Fwd: RE: Looks Like the third Reub [Douglas Detling <[email protected]] > #3 Fwd: Little Calvin's Grave [Douglas Detling <[email protected]] > #4 Fwd: New Sources [Douglas Detling <[email protected]] > #5 Fwd: Eurona Robblee Dorwin [Douglas Detling <[email protected]] > #6 Fwd: Rollin Rublee Family, 1850 Ce [Douglas Detling <[email protected]] > #7 Fwd: Before Calvin [Douglas Detling <[email protected]] > #8 Fwd: RE: Passenger Lists [Douglas Detling <[email protected]] > #9 Fwd: Grouping Families [Or If We O [Douglas Detling <[email protected]] > #10 Fwd: Passenger Lists [Douglas Detling <[email protected]] > #11 Fwd: Dutchess Co. 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Detling >[email protected] > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:28:53 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: Families >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:20:56 -0700 >>From: [email protected] >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; U) >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Families >>Sender: [email protected] >>Resent-From: [email protected] >>X-Unsub: To leave, send text 'LEAVE' to <[email protected]> >> >>Dear William [A. Roblee], >> Welcome to our email discussion group. It seems that you are >>searching for the same ancestors of Calvin Roblee that are also being >>persued by Phil Roblee and Rebecca S. Roblee. As a branch of the family >>that I hadn't seen until Phil sent me his family history, it will be >>interesting to find the ancestors of this particular group. >> Other names that were in your letter that I recognize were those >>of Fran Robblee Martin and Ernest Robblee of Jamestown, Ny. These two >>had been in personal contact in Az. at some point, I believe. Fran >>traces her lineage to a common source in Nova Scotia as does Ernest. He >>is one of those whose name has changed in the way most of us have seen >>already which is the dropping of one b in the spelling. >> Ernest's father was Leroy Chester Robblee, son of John Harris >>Robblee of Granville, Annapolis, Nova Scotia, Canada. John was the son >>of John Robblee, married Eliza Olevia Harris, son of Thomas Robblee, >>married Hannah Delap. Thomas was the son of John Robblee, married >>Susannah Baker, adopted by his uncle Thomas Robblee, married Mary Allen. >>[1765 in NY. USA] Fran's family descends from John Robblee's, married >>Eliza Olevia Harris, younger brother, Harris. >> Both John and Thomas were Loyalists who left Ny City after the end >>of the American War of Independence in 1783. >> The last address I have for Ernest is Prosser Hill Rd, Box 298, RFD >>#5, Jamestown, NY. 14701 and I list a Katherine as one of his sisters. >>The story about Robblee land being expropriated for the rebuild of the >>Habitation in 1937 is correct and I can list most of the rest of the >>family. I would also like to update the descendents of the rest of his >>branch of the family.... >>Bob Robblee >> > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:49:55 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: RE: Looks Like the third Reuben >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>From: Cindy Walcott <[email protected]> >>Subject: RE: Looks Like the third Reuben >>Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:45:13 -0400 >>... >>I looked in Bob Robblee's database. He agrees with the theory Jim >>proposes. He has this Reuben's wife as Polly >>Spicer, and the family having five children -- Matilda, Pamon, Morgan, >>Percival and Marion (Interesting names -- had someone been reading old >>English/Welsh tales??) >> >>The Vermont place of birth is interesting. I haven't found signs of >>Reuben Sr. in New Haven, VT yet, BUT I don't think it impossible. A >>Nathaniel Robblee bought land in New Haven 15 Oct 1792. This may have >>been Nathaniel, brother of Reuben Sr. This is less than a year before >>we Reuben Jr. was born. The birth records for that period are sketchy in >>some places and non-existant in others. >> >>Cindy > >______________________________X-Message: #3 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:59:19 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: Little Calvin's Grave >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>From: Cindy Walcott <[email protected]> >>Subject: Little Calvin's Grave >>Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:42:06 -0400 >>... >>Okay -- I looked up my records. At the Berkshire Ctr. (VT) cemetery, I >>saw the following gravestone:: >> >>Calvin Rublee, died July 2, 1811 at age 5. son of Hiram and Rhoda >>Rublee. On the same gravestone: Fanny Faustina died Mar 25, 1827 at age >9. >> >>The Vermont Vital Records, consolidated in Middlesex has the following >>records: >> >>Calvin Rublee, b. 4/23/1806 Berkshire, son of Hiram and Rhoda. >>Calvin Rublee, d. 7/2/1811 buried Berkshire Ctr. Age 5. >> >>By the way there is no birth record for Alvin Rublee, supposed son of >>Hiram and Rhoda who removed to New York State. ( I was thinking Alvin was >>kind of an unusual name for that era, but I find about a dozen Alvins in >>my >database of about 20,000 people. Most were born 1830-1840, so a >>little later.) >> >>This mystery is not yet solved. Maybe researching from Laura's side will >>shed some light. >> >>Cindy >> >>Cindy Walcott >>Planning, Policy and Practice Unit >>Social Services >>103 South Main St. >>Waterbury, VT 05671 >>phone: (802) 241-2126 >>e-mail: [email protected] >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Roblee, Phil [SMTP:[email protected]] >>Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 3:10 PM >>To: '[email protected]' >>Subject: RE: Looks Like the third Reuben - more >> > >______________________________X-Message: #4 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:52:19 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: New Sources >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>From: "Roblee, Phil" <[email protected]> >>Subject: New Sources >>Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:50:35 -0400 >>... >>I've been in touch with a couple cousins who as of yet either do not have >>computers or are not on the internet. Both are of the Calvin >>Roblee/Rublee & Laura Everts McKight line (my line). Some of you have >>contacted one or both of them before. Others of you may want to contact >>them, so I'm providing their names, addresses and phone numbers. I'm >>sure they'd love to >>hear from you. >> >>1. Don Roblee (pronounced with a short O sound) >> 10415 Sandbank Road >> Freedom, New York 14065 >> Phone: (716) 676-3520 >> >> Don has done fairly extensive work in the Western New York area. >> >>2. Connie Roblee (pronounced with a long O sound) >> 5163 Mahan Corner Road >> Marydel, Delaware 19964 >> Phone: (302) 492-8983 >> >> Connie has done a lot of work on the William and Katurah line, and >>is very knowledgeable about New York/Vermont/New Hampshire boundary >>issues. She's a Rapalje believer as well. I think BOB, CAROL and CINDY >>might enjoy a conversation with Connie. She will be joining the >>Genealogy Internet Circle as soon as she's able. >> >>Phil Roblee >> > >______________________________X-Message: #5 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:22:36 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: Eurona Robblee Dorwin >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>From: Cindy Walcott <[email protected]> >>Subject: Eurona Robblee Dorwin >>Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:13:44 -0400 >>... >>There has been some mention of Eurona Robblee Dorwin (or Durwin or >>Durham) in past postings. I was going over IGI listings recently, and >>ran across Calvin Dorwin, son of Russell Dorwin and Eurona Robblee, b. >>Lanesborough 28 Aug 1795. In turning to Palmer's History of >>Lanesborough, I find children listed for Russell DURWIN and (mother not >>named), including Calvin. There are nine children listed, born between >>1784 and 1799. Let's say then, that Eurona was born cir 1760. William >>Robblee/Keturah Baker's children were born from 1756 to cir 1780. Eurona >>would appear then to be a niece of William's, but who were her parents? >> >>Cindy > >______________________________X-Message: #6 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:17:15 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: Rollin Rublee Family, 1850 Census >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:25:38 -0700 >>From: Bob Robblee <[email protected]> >>>Subject: Rollin Rublee Family, 1850 Census >>... >>Dear Donna [Markey], >> I just had a look at the note on the above Census that Kay posted >>yesterday. I noticed that the family of R. Rublee of Ellington, Ny. >>includes a Luman, aged 19. Has he been included in your files or is he >>listed under another name? Or is he part of a relatives family? Hope to >>hear from you soon. >>Bob >> > >______________________________X-Message: #7 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:56:26 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: Before Calvin >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:36:20 -0400 (EDT) >>From: [email protected] (by way of Phil Roblee <[email protected]>) >>Subject: Before Calvin >>... >>I didn't get what I had hoped to get on my trip to WNY, but it was >>productive, nonetheless. Don couldn't find the letter he had earlier >>referred to (the one that allegedly contained Calvin's lineage), but he >>had a lot of good information. If nothing else, my visit rekindled his >>interest, and in turn his new interest rekindled the interests of others >>with whom he had been in contact over the years. I'm confident the >>Calvin issue will be resolved before our family reunion! >>I managed to find the grave of Laura Everts McKnight, wife of Calvin. >>She's buried in Freedom, Cattaraugus Co., NY in a cemetery on Maple Grove >>Road...the cemetery where Orlando, her son, is buried. Her tombstone >>lists the name, Laura McKnight, and it lies next to the grave sites of E. >>Everts, G. Everts, and Sally (I think...my notes aren't with me at the >>moment), his wife. As for Calvin's lineage, Don had information that he ><had obtained from Connie (in Delaware), and she had speculated that >>Calvin was the son of Hiram Rublee, son of William and Katurah. She >>listed his birthdate as 1806...like your information, Bob...meaning he >>died when he was about 29 years old. Maybe you can help here, Bob. The >>GEDCOM file you sent contains >>information about Calvin (son of Hiram), and it lists a birth (1806) and >>death (1811?) date, in addition to a burial reference. If your >information >>about Calvin is correct, and if it is based upon your visual inspection >>of his tombstone, then the Hiram/Calvin/Orlando connection is wrong. >>Where did you get your information about Calvin? >>In my telephone conversation with Connie yesterday, she seems very >>interested in Nathaneal Roblee/Rublee/Robblee's lineage. I'm not sure >>where she's going with it, but it's a logical next step. Neither of us >>have seen any information about Nathaneal's children. Anything out >there? >>Other info I found is of interest only to descendants of Orlando Roblee >>and Agnes T. Crandall. Don had a Crandall Family History book published >>by a now-97 year old female Crandall descendant in Washington DC. I >>contacted her (unbelievably sharp for someone born at the turn of the >>century!), and she's sending me a copy of her book. >>Lastly, I had hoped to visit the Rublee graves near Jamestown, Chatauqua >>County, NY, but time didn't permit. In 3 days I visited six >>cemeteries...some more than once. >>It was fun, regardless. It must be in the blood, huh? >>... >>Phil > >> >> >> >> >> >>Dear Phil, >> Sounds like your trip expanded our aggregate store of knowledge. >>The big question that I have is about the teaser that you left us >>dangling with before you left. Did Don have any lineage previous to >>Calvin, died 1835? Did he have any loose clues about people he couldn't > >>place? >> I look forward to seeing Don's and Connie's additional information >>on various family members as well as their thoughts about the earlier >>family history. Hope to hear from them soon. >> Coincidentally, I happened to speak with one of my co-workers last >>Sunday who is of French descent. I asked him to pronounce 2 spellings of >>our name, Robbilliard and Robleyer. The first was pronounced >>Raw-blee-arr, and the second was pronounced Rob-blee. Now I know that >>this is nowhere as exact as an expert in languages might be able to pin >>things down, but it was how it was said by a literate French speaking >>person. I didn't know that the comments on pronunciation had flown back >>and forth until after my email had straightened out late last Sunday. It >>is just another clue that points in a particular direction which may or >>may not be part of the result we are all seeking. Hope to hear from you >>soon. >>Bob >> > >______________________________X-Message: #8 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:41:05 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: RE: Passenger Lists >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:15:58 -0400 >>From: K E Robblee <[email protected]> >>Subject: RE: Passenger Lists >>At 9:26 AM -0400 6/30/98, Roblee, Phil wrote: >>>To our resident Linguist, Karen Robblee... >>>do you have any comments on Lynda's message? >>> >>>Phil Roblee >> >>Phil, This is a tough question. Based on the consonants, the "Rapelje" >>theory seems more plausible. It would be much more likely for "p" to be >>replaced by "b(b)" than for "dg" to be replaced by "b(b)". >> >>(Only one thing needs to happen for the sound "p" to change to "b": the >>vocal cords need to start vibrating. But at least two things need to >>happen for "dg" to change to "b". First the cluster would need to >>simplify to one or the other sound ["d(d)" or "g(g)"], and then the place >>of articulation needs to change. [Either the "d" produced with the front >>of the tongue or the "g" produced using the back of the tongue would be >>replaced by a "b" which is produced using one's lips.]) >> >>But "Rapelje" does not account for the vowel in the first syllable. Since >>we see variation between "o" and "u" in the forms "Rob(b)lee" and >>"Rub(b)lee", I am inclined to think that there must have been a rounded >>vowel in the first syllable. "a"-like vowels tend not to be rounded, and >>are less likely than "o" to be replaced by "u". >> >>From a purely linguistic point of view, I like Bob's theory that the >>family name is derived from "Robbilliard". From what I understand, in >>the 17th century the French probably would not have pronounced the word >>final "rd". >> >>The rounded French "o" might also account for the variation between "o" >>and "u". In addition, since the "i" after the "bb" was not stressed, it >>could easily have dropped out through a type of contraction. >> >>But I wouldn't rule out the other possibilities. I agree with Lynda's >>suggestion that orthography can be significant. If the "B" was written in >>a way that looked like "dg" it could have replaced it. >> >>(I hope this wasn't more "linguistic" information than you wanted!) >> >>Karen >> > >______________________________X-Message: #9 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:30:24 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: Grouping Families [Or If We Only Knew} >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:52:24 -0700 >>From: [email protected] >>Subject: Grouping Families [Or If We Only Knew} >>... >>Dear Cousins, >> Getting the family members organized seems to still be twisting in >>the wind as we continue to delve farther into the past mists of time. I >>had some moments thought today, trying to view what we know from a >>different perspective. So here goes: >>Jim [Roblee], >> You mentioned that you had proved that Thomas, married Chloe Evarts, >>was the youngest son of Reuben from an independent source? If so then I >>would suggest that he might be the son of Reuben, married Catherine, >>died ca 1770. >>Phil [Roblee], >> Seeing that we seem to have 2 Calvins; one of for whom we can't >>find his father or his family, I wonder, based on the listing of people >>in Luther's will, if we should reverse the positions in which we have >>put them. That is to say, your ggggrandfather was actually the son of >>Theron, while the other Calvin who ended his days in North Creek was the >>son of possibly, the Elder Thomas. This would possibly explain why what >>seems to be a duplicate of Calvin's family were living with Luther after >>Calvin's death ca 1835. >>Cindy [Walcott], >> I got your comments on the Robblee daughters but I'm not quite >>clear on your thoughts. Do you think that the second Sarah Robblee, >>married Willam Jeffords is actually the Rebecca, daughter of William >>Robblee, married Katurah Baker? >>Lynda [McGinnis], >> No, I don't know any of the ancestry of Susannah Baker, married >>John Robblee. The name is part of the original stuff I first found on >>the Ancestral File, which was probably submitted by Joyce Atkin. One >>detail that I remember is that she had died prior to 1783. >>For all, >> I have found census records for 1790 [and I'm sure most of you have >>as well] for William Robblee in Lanesboro, Reuben in Granville, NY, >>Thomas in Granville, NY, and Andrew in Orange Co. NY. The structure of >>these families are very similiar as to content, indicating, I feel, that >>the Fathers were of similiar ages. I don't believe that the Thomas >>listed is the man who married Chloe Evarts, unless the other male over >>16 is a member of another family, staying with Thomas and Cloe. Also, >>the structure of the family of Andrew match closely the descendents >>whose names are spelled Roblyer, especially when subsequent census are >>taken into account. >> Just some thoughts for this evening. Hope to hear from you soon. >>Bob >> > >______________________________X-Message: #10 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:35:20 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: Passenger Lists >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:04:51 -0400 >>From: [email protected] (Lynda McGinnis) >>Subject: Passenger Lists >>... >>Hi, >> Do any of you have records of any Robblee (or similar spelling or >>sound) from passenger lists? I was wondering thru the NEHGS library this >>weekend and found a book with 2 possibles. >> >>"Passengers To America", edited by Michael Tepper, Gen. Publ. Co., >>Baltimore, 1977. >> >>1) pg 65: >>"2 Maij 1635 >>Theis (sic) under written names are to be transported to ye Barbadoes >>imbarqued >>in the Alexander Capt. Burche and Gilbert Grimes Mr P'Certificate from >the >>Minister where they late dwelt the men tooke the oaths of Alleg and >>Supremacie >>die et a pred." >> >>This list includes: >>"Geo: Rudglie" age 17 y >>"Jo:Bush" age 22 y >>{This name is a stretch for Robblee-like but, it would be easy to >mis->read a "B" >>with a tail, as "dg". Especially if the person reading it wasn't >>familiar with >>the name of Robley/Roblie. Also, in sound, this name is as close to >>Robblee as >>is Rapelje/Raplee.} >> >>2) pg 256: >>"Port of London, 28 Feb. to 7 Mar. 1774." >>List includes: >>Joseph Robley, age 25y, Planter from Togabo, on the ship "Tobago >>Planter", going >>to Tobago to his plantations. >>Charles Thomas, age 23, Clerk from Westminster, on the ship "Tobago >>Planter", >>goin to Tobago on business. >> >>{During the 1600's, there were quite a few people who moved between New >>England >>and Long Island to and from the Carribean Islands like Tobago and >Barbados.} >> Has anyone searched passenger lists? Any idea where the info came >>from which states that George & William came to Long Island in 1623? > >>This sounds pretty specific and must have originated somewhere. Any >>thoughts? >> If anyone has done a routine search of passenger lists, could you >>send us a listing of the sources you've already check so that we're not >>having to duplicate work already done? >>Lynda >> > >______________________________X-Message: #11 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:20:36 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: Dutchess Co. Research >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>From: Cindy Walcott <[email protected]> >>Subject: Dutchess Co. Research >>Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 09:20:59 -0400 >>For your information, here is a copy of a message I found in the archived >messages of the New York genealogy listserv:. >> >>Cindy >> >>"To everyone who asked me what the 5 places I'd been directed to for >>Dutchess Co. research, here they are: >>Adriance Library. Poughkeepsie. (914)485-3445. >>Dutchess Co. Genealogical Soc. Library. (914) 462-2470. >>Dutchess Co. Courthouse, 22 Market St., Poughkeepsie. (914) 431-2020. >>Dutchess Co. Historical Soc. 549 Main St, P'keepsie. (914) 471-1630. >>LDS. 204 Spackenkill Rd, P'keepsie (914) 462-2470 (Same as Gen. >>Soc.above?) >>I did get to the Adriance Library for a couple of hours. They were >>very gracious, but are suffering badly from lack of funds, so their >>collection is not as up-to-date as they'd like. However, they did have >>some of the tax lists I was looking for. So thanks again to all who >>offered suggestions. >>Joy" >> >> >> >> > >______________________________X-Message: #12 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:57:49 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: FW: Looks Like the third Reuben - more >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>From: Cindy Walcott <[email protected]> >>Subject: FW: Looks Like the third Reuben - more >>Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:32:15 -0400 >>... >>I was working on my Robblee/Roblee annotated bibliography today and ran >>across the following on Reuben m. Polly Spicer: >> >>Meech, Susan Spicer. History of the Descendants of Peter Spicer, a >>Landowner in New London, CT as Early as 1666 and Others of the Name. >> Boston: F. H. Gilson, 1911. >> >>p. 85-6 Polly Spicer, b. 20 Jul 1802 (d. of Jeremiah Spicer and Rhoda >>Brownell of Granville, NY) m. Reuben Roblee. >>p. 129 Reuben and Polly (Spicer) Roblee m. 25 Feb 1818. She d. 30 Mar >>1854 Kendall, NY. Children: Matilda m. William Ross; Pamon m. Elizabeth >>Averill, no children; Morgan m. Harriet Higgins; Percival; Marion d. >>unmarried. >> >> >>Note that Polly died in Kendall NY. This suggests that this is the >>Reuben Roblee that lived in Kendall, NY. >> >>Cindy >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Cindy Walcott [SMTP:[email protected]] >>Sent: Friday, July 03, 1998 1:45 PM >>To: 'Jim Roblee'; Roblee (E-mail) >>Subject: RE: Looks Like the third Reuben >> >>I looked in Bob Robblee's database. He agrees with the theory Jim >>proposes. He has this Reuben's wife as Polly >>Spicer, and the family having five children -- Matilda, Pamon, Morgan, >>Percival and Marion (Interesting names -- had someone been reading old >>English/Welsh tales??) >> >>The Vermont place of birth is interesting. I haven't found signs of Reuben >>Sr. in New Haven, VT yet, BUT I don't think it impossible. A Nathaniel >>Robblee bought land in New Haven 15 Oct 1792. This may have been >>Nathaniel, brother of Reuben Sr. This is less than a year before we >>Reuben Jr. was born. The birth records for that period are sketchy in some >>places and non-existant in others. >> >>Cindy >> >>Cindy Walcott >>Planning, Policy and Practice Unit >>Social Services >>103 South Main St. >>Waterbury, VT 05671 >>phone: (802) 241-2126 >>e-mail: [email protected] >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Jim Roblee [SMTP:[email protected]] >>Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 10:33 PM >>To: Roblee (E-mail) >>Subject: Looks Like the third Reuben >> >>John and BobbiKae McDowell: >> It looks like you have found the family of Reuben b 1793 son of Reuben b. >>1770 ! This is the first info I have seen of this family. The record also >>indicates that Mary (Polly) was the also the name of Reuben's mother so >>there may be some sort of confusion. Could you indicate the source of this >>info? The Carpenter manuscript indicates he was admitted to the Bapt. >>Church in N. Granville in 1816. Orleans County is over 220 miles west of >>Granville. >> >> >> Jim Roblee >> >> >> > >______________________________X-Message: #13 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:46:25 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: Looks Like the third Reuben >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>From: Jim Roblee <[email protected]> >>Subject: Looks Like the third Reuben >>Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:32:39 -0500 >>... >>John and BobbiKae McDowell: >> It looks like you have found the family of Reuben b 1793 son of Reuben >b. 1770 ! This is the first info I have seen of this family. The record >also indicates that Mary (Polly) was the also the name of Reuben's mother >so there may be some sort of confusion. Could you indicate the source of >this info? The Carpenter manuscript indicates he was admitted to the Bapt. >Church in N. Granville in 1816. Orleans County is over 220 miles west of >Granville. >> >> >> Jim Roblee >> > >______________________________X-Message: #14 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:48:30 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected].net> >Subject: Fwd: Rapalje theory and pronunciation >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:24:25 -0400 >>To: Cindy Walcott <[email protected]> >>From: K E Robblee <[email protected]> >>Subject: Rapalje theory and pronunciation >>Cindy, >> >>Since the spelling in the 18th c. had not yet been "standardized", it >>would probably be a good indication of pronounciation. Although today >>some of us pronounce the family name with a "short o", and others with a >>"long o" (and still others with a "long u"!), I think that English >>speakers in the 18th century would have pronounced "o" and "u" with lip >>rounding. (I need to check this out. I'm much more familiar with the >>history of the Slavic languages than with the history of English!) A >>"rounded o" would sound somewhat like the "aw" in the word "lawn", and a >>rounded "u" would sound somewhat like the "oo" in "boot". >> >>But I didn't realize that the Rapalje theory would mean that the family >>came from the Netherlands. Northern European languages such as Swedish >>and Danish have some less common rounded vowels (e.g. a "long i" >>pronounced with lip-rounding), in addition to the more common rounded >>vowels (i.e. "o" and "u"). I don't know offhand whether this is also the >>case in Dutch. If Dutch did have a rounded vowel spelled with the letter >>"a", this could account for the "o/u" variation once the name was >>Anglicized. This would make the linguistic evidence even more ambiguous. >> >>I'll see what I can find out about vowels in Dutch and English in the >>17th and 18th centuries! >> >>Karen > >______________________________X-Message: #15 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:00:34 -0700 >From: Douglas Detling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fwd: Orleans Co. ROBLEE >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>From: "John and BobbiKae McDowell" <[email protected]> >>Subject: Orleans Co. ROBLEE >>Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:37:20 -0600 >>Jim [Roblee]: >> >>I found Reuben ROBLEE in the 1850 Orleans Co., NY Census. He was living >>in Gaines Twp. He was age 57, his wife Mary 47. Their son Percival 23, >>and dau Marion 10. The other 3 children, Matilda, Pamon, and Morgan, were >>from the IGI. They were sent to the Family History Library in Salt Lake >>City in 1955, so the submitter would be hard to contact. >> >>I extracted all NY Counties in 1850. ROBLEE's etc. were living in 13 >>different counties at the time. >> >>Kay >> >