Hello All, I have seen 1820 Census records for Granville, NY but I couldn't find them this AM. But I did find 1840, listed under Robler, which is one variation of the name under which I have found things before. Here are the 3 listings I found: Luther Roblee, 1 male, 2 females, 1 male 50/60, 1 female 50/60. Thomas Roblee, Jr. 1 female under 5, 1 male 20/30, 1 female 20/30 Thomas Roblee, 6 males, 3 females, 1 male 40/50, 1 female 20/30 Some thoughts on the above: All these were listed on the same page, so lived close to one another. The third entry for Thomas, having 9 kids, and his wife being under 30, is Thomas Roblee, the second, b 1795, son of Reuben and Molly Everts. The second entry for Thomas, Jr. has always presented us with the dilemma of who is his father? Obviously, it wasn't Thomas, the second or Thomas and Chloe. Then Who? This entry for Luther does not indicate enough family, if he had taken in Phil's Calvin's family after Calvin died ca 1835. Yet, Calvin's family are beneficiaries in Luther's {of North Creek} will. Are there census records for North Creek in 1840 or before? A double entry for Luther in any Census year would solve part of this dilemma, but not the which one is which. My thoughts is that there were 2 Luthers and that we need to sort out their families. And of course, who was Calvin's, married Laura Everts, father? Because only Thomas and Reuben show up in the 1790 Census at Granville, Calvin has to be Reuben's son. Thomas and Chloe's family has been extremely well documented over the years, whereas it has taken quite an effort to put together the structure of Reuben's. On another note, Phil sent me a copy of the original document on which his family pedigree is based and includes the note about James, son of Norman. I suggest that it will be modified as additional information such as the census record is found. Did Laura Mcknight have a will? Just my thoughts for a Sunday AM. HOpe to hear from you soon. Bob