<A HREF="http://users.pandora.be/gentiane/home.html">Click here: home</A> A really, really different Roblee Website! If nothing else, click on the "under construction", it's great! Phyllis

Most of us have experienced viruses, system lockups, spyware and spam...and it often gets in the way of our interest in serious genealogy. I'm writing this message because I wanted to share my experiences in hopes of you will not be discouraged when your computer gets in the way of pursuing your family history. I have spent the last two weekends completely reorganizing the way I access the Internet. My computer system is not state of the art--it doesn't have the fastest processor, though it has multiple reliable hard drives and plenty of memory. It was assembled to accomplish handle three of my interests--genealogy, photography and digital music, and it does a solid reliable job. It serves me well, and yours should too. So what did I do to protect it from the ravages of internet terrorism--spam, viruses, and spyware. A brief caveat--my experience is based on using Microsoft Windows, and not Linux or Mac OS. 1. Up to date operating system--kept up to date religiously, installing Windows XP Service Pack 2 as soon as it was available; since I have a broadband cable connection, I downloaded the whole thing. Most people will want to use the Windows Update (via Internet Explorer) feature to keep their operating system up to date, even if they use an older version of the operating system such as Windows 2000. Since I already have a hardware firewall (I use a router so two computers share an Internet connection), I initially disabled my software firewall (I use Computer Associates EZ Trust firewall, a slimmed down version of the free Zone Alarm firewall) to install XP Service Pack 2, which enables the WinXP firewall by default. That is better than nothing to protect a computer, but a configurable software firewall is preferable, so I disabled the XP SP2 firewall, and re-enabled my EZ Trust Firewall. Then I re-ran all the security checks using Steve Gibson's tests (www.grc.com). My machines are thus protecting from incoming and outgoing disruptions. 2. Readily updated anti-virus programs. You know you should have them, but do you. There are free and commercial antivirus programs available, and these will help protect your computer and the spread of viruses to others. So install an antivirus program, and keep it up to date. You'll do yourself, and others, a giant favor. 3. If you can, use an alternative browser to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. You'll need to keep IE to access the Windows Update feature, and some commercial web sites require its use, but there are alternative browsers such as Opera and Mozilla. I use a slimmer version of Mozilla--called Firefox--and have incorporated features to make it work like IE, only better. See www.firefoxie.net for a useful configuration. I believe this browser setup to be more secure. 4. Using e-mail programs--I use Eudora for some e-mail accounts, and Outlook 2003 for others. My Eudora account is only to download e-mail from my e-mail account as my local cable company, and I use that program's filter rules to get rid of unsolicited e-mail (I get only about 10 messages a day to that address, so it isn't super critical. But my main accounts at my domain greencity.org are the subject of massive amounts of e-mail, including spam, spoofed messages ostensibly sent from my domain, and virus-laden missives, so I have had to take serious, concerted efforts to rid myself of these headaches. What have I done? I am currently using three spam filtering programs. One is installed right in Outlook--called Qurb--which categorizes all mail reaching my accounts based on its content, and filtering messages it considered spam. But I wanted a way to reject messages and never have them enter my e-mail program. So I paid for a year to try Spam Arrest, a commercial program that sets up a challenge-response system forcing those who wish to send me e-mail to confirm their addresses (which most spammers won't do). That works great, except that it doesn't work consistently enough, in my opinion, and I'll probably stop using this program when my trial year is up. What I have decided to do, is install a similar product--ChoiceMail One--which allows me to maintain complete control of the white and black list because the software is installed on my personal computer to process the mail, so I'm not subject to external services such as Spam Arrest (which has its own mail servers to filter the mail). That may prove to be the most reliable in my fight against spam. 5. Shielding my e-mail address on web site pages; I've converted those to GIF images that can't be read by spam-bots (programs that harvest e-mail addresses from web pages). 6. I also routinely run software to check and eliminate what is know as "spyware." I use both Spybot Search and Destroy amd Adaware on a weekly basis to eliminate programs and internet junk. My system is also protected by a software program that prevents my browser's initial, that is, home page, from being reset to some other page. No computer arrangement is completely 100% secure, but with these things done (which took the better part of a couple of days), I feel I've protected my system as best as I can short of pulling the plug on my Internet connnection. And, of course, I couldn't do that and work on these genealogy mailing lists or web sites (more on the latter in a subsequent e-mail). ************* Doug Detling - Please change your address book to list me as: doug.detling@greencity.org

Bonjour Sabine, Avez-vous plus de l'information des Roblees? Merci, Phyllis

If there is Indian in my line as told by my father, the marriage (or whatever) would have had to occur prior to 1800. My Calvin (m: Laura Everts) died in 1835 leaving (at least) 3 very young children. I'm assuming he was born circa 1800. We have a fairly complete record of my line to Calvin, and there are no Indians noted in those generations. For what it's worth... Phil -----Original Message----- From: PMaeveReed@aol.com [mailto:PMaeveReed@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:46 AM To: ROBLEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: ROBLEE-D Digest V04 #87/Which Indian Nation? Abenaki has my vote. They were located from NY state west to the coast with other Algonquin tribes (Penobscot and others), south to Virginia and north well into Canada. They lost huge numbers of their population due to the epidemics the Europeans brought and so the nomadic Abenaki (People of the Dawnland, ie, east) who were mainly hunters and fishermen, were driven further east by the invading Iroquoian peoples like the Mohawk and Oneida. The Iroquois built more permanent settlements and spoke a different language with different cultural beliefs. They were also better at negotiating alliances with different European groups due to the availability of large numbers of them (read warriors) in one place. The Native ancestor I searched for on my Roblee side I believe was Catherine, no last name, who was born in Vermont and married into the Cross family (married to my Calvin O. Roblee b 1847). I have yet to prove this though, and it may not happen in my life time unless I can get my father's cousin or her daughter to participate in some DNA studies. Due to their nomadic nature, the Abenaki were unable to point to "ancestral lands continuously occupied" for US claims and so were just ruled to be extinct and therefore not recognized. The Canadian government does not share this view and I had a nice visit to the (extinct?) village of Odanak in Quebec last summer where the locals knew all about the people who lived in Warren and Hamilton Counties, NY! The other Abenaki settlements in Swanton VT and Old Town, ME would probably also disagree that they feel extinct. You mean there were other Native ancestors????!!! Phyllis ==== ROBLEE Mailing List ==== Please visit our new web site - http://www.robleesonline.org/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The School Employees Retirement System of Ohio intends this e-mail message, and any attachments, to be used only by the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed. This message may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If the reader is not the intended recipient of this message or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are prohibited from printing, copying, storing, disseminating or distributing this communication. If you received this communication in error, please delete it from your computer and notify the sender by reply e-mail.

Abenaki has my vote. They were located from NY state west to the coast with other Algonquin tribes (Penobscot and others), south to Virginia and north well into Canada. They lost huge numbers of their population due to the epidemics the Europeans brought and so the nomadic Abenaki (People of the Dawnland, ie, east) who were mainly hunters and fishermen, were driven further east by the invading Iroquoian peoples like the Mohawk and Oneida. The Iroquois built more permanent settlements and spoke a different language with different cultural beliefs. They were also better at negotiating alliances with different European groups due to the availability of large numbers of them (read warriors) in one place. The Native ancestor I searched for on my Roblee side I believe was Catherine, no last name, who was born in Vermont and married into the Cross family (married to my Calvin O. Roblee b 1847). I have yet to prove this though, and it may not happen in my life time unless I can get my father's cousin or her daughter to participate in some DNA studies. Due to their nomadic nature, the Abenaki were unable to point to "ancestral lands continuously occupied" for US claims and so were just ruled to be extinct and therefore not recognized. The Canadian government does not share this view and I had a nice visit to the (extinct?) village of Odanak in Quebec last summer where the locals knew all about the people who lived in Warren and Hamilton Counties, NY! The other Abenaki settlements in Swanton VT and Old Town, ME would probably also disagree that they feel extinct. You mean there were other Native ancestors????!!! Phyllis

I have to find the Indian "person" before I can find the Indian Nation. Since that person is in my Roblee line, she's obviously a woman. If I can find that her, perhaps that will help me/us discern which line Calvin (i.e., Calvin Roblee/Laura Everts) belongs to. By the way, can anyone on the list translate french? I received an email from Sabine Roblet (France et Belgique)in response to my original email (see bottom), but it was written in French. I can't translate it. I'd send the email to the list, but I dare not without permission. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Bergetta Monroe [mailto:bergetta@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 6:16 PM To: ROBLEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: ROBLEE-D Digest V04 #87 Ok, next (logical!!!) question...which Indian nation? Bergetta On Aug 29, 2004, at 1:02 AM, ROBLEE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Phil and I are from the same Roblees in NY and I was told the same > about the French and American Indian blood. > > Phil Roblee <problee@ohsers.org> wrote:My father always said he heard > our name was of French origin...like Robillard or DeRobillard (sp?). > He also said we had some Indian blood, and I think he meant American > Indian. ==== ROBLEE Mailing List ==== Please visit our new web site - http://www.robleesonline.org/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The School Employees Retirement System of Ohio intends this e-mail message, and any attachments, to be used only by the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed. This message may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If the reader is not the intended recipient of this message or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are prohibited from printing, copying, storing, disseminating or distributing this communication. If you received this communication in error, please delete it from your computer and notify the sender by reply e-mail.

Ok, next (logical!!!) question...which Indian nation? Bergetta On Aug 29, 2004, at 1:02 AM, ROBLEE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Phil and I are from the same Roblees in NY and I was told the same > about the French and American Indian blood. > > Phil Roblee <problee@ohsers.org> wrote:My father always said he heard > our name was of French origin...like > Robillard or DeRobillard (sp?). He also said we had some Indian blood, > and I think he meant American Indian.

My Congrats to you, too, Doug. My sister-in-law, Carol was adopted. But, as you know, she researched our family as if it were her own. She did it for her boys, too, of course. I looked upon her as more my younger sis than my sister-in-law. She never really found out who her biological parents were, but I believe and hope she considered herself a WALDRON,THOMAS, ROBLEE, etc. Love is love and it is the person who counts not their family tree, even though genealogy is lots of fun. Give those babies a kiss for all of us! JEAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alger and Walcott Family" <asr141@copper.net> To: <ROBLEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 7:29 AM Subject: RE: New Addition to the Family Lines > Congratuations Doug! Your sentiments, and experiences, about family match > mine as well. My birthfather died when I was a baby -- I was adopted by my > stepfather, and feel no less his child than than my 3 younger sibs who are > actually his birthchildren. As for genealogy, I research with equal > enthusiasm my mother's line, my birthfather's and my "adoptive" father's. I > belong to a genealogy list for my genealogy software. The members, even so > often, in discussing how to handle various step and adoptive relationships > in the software, veer into what is legitimate family and what is not. This > annoys me. I hold a master's degree in family studies. I remember long, > fervent discussion about the definition of family. In the end, we concluded > that family is who you consider to be family - period. That is - family is > as family does! > > This feeling is partly why I don't feel threatened by possible DNA results > that would indicate, for example, that my grandfather Rublee, isn't really a > Rublee, due to a secret adoption, a marital or non-marital indescretion, or > whatever, somewhere down the line. That finding would not interrupt my sense > of belonging. Yes, it would require a re-balancing of my thoughts - but it > would affect my relationship to my own family one iota. > > Enjoy your babies! You are very fortunate to have your little ones close > by! > > Cindy > > -----Original Message----- > From: doug.detling@greencity.org [mailto:doug.detling@greencity.org] > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:14 AM > To: ROBLEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: New Addition to the Family Lines > > > Though she won't be counted as a Bradt, Brott, Bunker, Detling or Roblee, > I'd like to announce an addition to our family: Isabel Alejandra Ruiz, b. at > 2:18 a.m. Tuesday, August 24, 2004, here in Medford, Oregon. Isabel is the > child (our third grandchild) of Myra Contreras, my wife Manuela's youngest > daughter, and her boyfriend Javier Antonio Ruiz. > > For those who doubt that families do connect, I can safely dispute them with > these facts. Our six-year-old granddaughter (who's not directly related to > me but who calls me Dad every single day) had just as much fun playing with > my grandson (who's not related to her) shortly after his birth last April as > she did holding her cousin Isabel for hours on end since Isabel's birth > Tuesday. Way to go, Angel! She even kept her aunt Myra from holding her own > daughter--at least until the baby got hungry! > > Isabel and Myra came home today after a two-day stay in Rogue Valley Medical > Center; both are doing just great, and Isabel has now assumed her proper > place as the youngest drama queen in la familia Detling. > > Doug > > > ==== ROBLEE Mailing List ==== > If you're a ROBLEE, you might be related to a BRADT/BROTT. Find out on the > BRADT-L or BROTT-L lists at RootsWeb. > Send "subscribe" message to [listname]-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > ==== ROBLEE Mailing List ==== > Please visit our new web site - http://www.robleesonline.org/ >

From: 1855 New York State Census, New York City, New York County, 7th Ward, 6th ED, Marriages and Deaths Schedule, under Remarks. [Editor's Note: And you wonder why your ancestors' names are spelled so creatively in the censuses?] "I should think one third of the Population of this District are in the Habit of moving from once to four times a year Rendering it Imposabell for the Marshel to Render an Ackret account of the Deaths that has taken plase In the District for the last year, the friends of Desist having moved to sum other Part of the city. I can find only the mariag of one cuppell in the District and they cleared out the next morning and haven't been heard from since."       REPRINTS. Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is granted unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: (1) the reprint is used for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following notice appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb Review: 25 August 2004, Vol. 7, No. 34.                     

Bergetta asked what the connection was between France and the Netherlands. I humbly offer my brief history and have spent the last 6 years researching this in addition to the lifetime of general interest and family stories on both sides. Bear with me until we get to the good part! The French people were bitterly divided over which religion was the right one, much like the Republicans and Democrats of today. The Catholics believed that it was immoral to consider the King and the Pope as less than sanctioned by God and whatever either divine party asked, it was incumbent on her citizens to follow these dictates. To that end, the government followed Spain's lead and expelled Jews from the country as well as any suspected gypsies and other nonbelievers. They were faced with a growing segment of the middle class who wanted moderation and to follow the beliefs of Martin Luther and Calvin or their own more liberal brand of religion. After a history of several massacres (one of some 35,000 people in one day in one location), the battles just got bloodier and the infamous Cardinal Richelieu attempted to use diplomacy to get the Protestants on his side when that suited his purpose. Force wasn't working. This constant upheaval and frequent public executions of those who were not good Catholics or who could be accused of this if they had some lands that the King and Richelieu wanted, forced many to leave to the sanctuary of the day, the Netherlands. Many of the French went there (a few went to England or other places) and they established their own communities within the great cities (Voila! La French Quarter!). Since many were in the trade business and had no language or cultural ties to the Netherlands, it was a natural next step to follow the Dutch into the colonies they held in South America, New Amsterdam and later South Africa and Malaysia. Of course many took Dutch spouses eventually and mixed in with the group too but there was at least one community where the French elected to stay apart in this country, Kinderkamack in NJ. On my other side, my ancestor, Gilles Mandeville fled France and ended up in New Amsterdam (New York City). He became Yellas Janszen (de Mandeville). I had one ancestor with children born in four different countries! Clearly the upstart Protestants were a stubborn bunch or had lands that could help Richelieu and the King pay off the staggering debt they accumulated. Either way they threw in their lot with the Dutch and travelled here on their ships. Phyllis Reed

Congratuations Doug! Your sentiments, and experiences, about family match mine as well. My birthfather died when I was a baby -- I was adopted by my stepfather, and feel no less his child than than my 3 younger sibs who are actually his birthchildren. As for genealogy, I research with equal enthusiasm my mother's line, my birthfather's and my "adoptive" father's. I belong to a genealogy list for my genealogy software. The members, even so often, in discussing how to handle various step and adoptive relationships in the software, veer into what is legitimate family and what is not. This annoys me. I hold a master's degree in family studies. I remember long, fervent discussion about the definition of family. In the end, we concluded that family is who you consider to be family - period. That is - family is as family does! This feeling is partly why I don't feel threatened by possible DNA results that would indicate, for example, that my grandfather Rublee, isn't really a Rublee, due to a secret adoption, a marital or non-marital indescretion, or whatever, somewhere down the line. That finding would not interrupt my sense of belonging. Yes, it would require a re-balancing of my thoughts - but it would affect my relationship to my own family one iota. Enjoy your babies! You are very fortunate to have your little ones close by! Cindy -----Original Message----- From: doug.detling@greencity.org [mailto:doug.detling@greencity.org] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:14 AM To: ROBLEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: New Addition to the Family Lines Though she won't be counted as a Bradt, Brott, Bunker, Detling or Roblee, I'd like to announce an addition to our family: Isabel Alejandra Ruiz, b. at 2:18 a.m. Tuesday, August 24, 2004, here in Medford, Oregon. Isabel is the child (our third grandchild) of Myra Contreras, my wife Manuela's youngest daughter, and her boyfriend Javier Antonio Ruiz. For those who doubt that families do connect, I can safely dispute them with these facts. Our six-year-old granddaughter (who's not directly related to me but who calls me Dad every single day) had just as much fun playing with my grandson (who's not related to her) shortly after his birth last April as she did holding her cousin Isabel for hours on end since Isabel's birth Tuesday. Way to go, Angel! She even kept her aunt Myra from holding her own daughter--at least until the baby got hungry! Isabel and Myra came home today after a two-day stay in Rogue Valley Medical Center; both are doing just great, and Isabel has now assumed her proper place as the youngest drama queen in la familia Detling. Doug ==== ROBLEE Mailing List ==== If you're a ROBLEE, you might be related to a BRADT/BROTT. Find out on the BRADT-L or BROTT-L lists at RootsWeb. Send "subscribe" message to [listname]-L-request@rootsweb.com

Phil and I are from the same Roblees in NY and I was told the same about the French and American Indian blood. Phil Roblee <problee@ohsers.org> wrote:My father always said he heard our name was of French origin...like Robillard or DeRobillard (sp?). He also said we had some Indian blood, and I think he meant American Indian. Phil Roblee (Rob-lee, not Robe-lee) -----Original Message----- From: Bergetta Monroe [mailto:bergetta@aol.com] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:44 AM To: ROBLEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: ROBLEE-D Digest V04 #85 Ok, this brings up another point of interest...if we aren't from Rapajie (sp?) and French then what has been told in "you all's" families as to the point of origin of your (various) line(s)? Dutch anyone? Bergetta On Aug 27, 2004, at 1:02 AM, ROBLEE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I seem to be the only person investigating the English Rubleys. ==== ROBLEE Mailing List ==== Post your queries and information here. No ROBLEE rock unturned. Spelling variations okay, since we don't really know where we came from. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The School Employees Retirement System of Ohio intends this e-mail message, and any attachments, to be used only by the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed. This message may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If the reader is not the intended recipient of this message or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are prohibited from printing, copying, storing, disseminating or distributing this communication. If you received this communication in error, please delete it from your computer and notify the sender by reply e-mail. ==== ROBLEE Mailing List ==== Please visit our new web site - http://www.robleesonline.org/

I will repeat something I e-mailed to the list a few years ago. Mom and I were in the mall in Glens Falls, N.Y., some time ago, and there was a fellow there doing family tree printouts and family crests and such. He looked up ROBLEE for us and said it was in the Domesday Book in England and meant "Son of Rob"...spelled ROBBLEE. I would love it if that were our line. But we just don't know. JEAN

My father always said he heard our name was of French origin...like Robillard or DeRobillard (sp?). He also said we had some Indian blood, and I think he meant American Indian. Phil Roblee (Rob-lee, not Robe-lee) -----Original Message----- From: Bergetta Monroe [mailto:bergetta@aol.com] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:44 AM To: ROBLEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: ROBLEE-D Digest V04 #85 Ok, this brings up another point of interest...if we aren't from Rapajie (sp?) and French then what has been told in "you all's" families as to the point of origin of your (various) line(s)? Dutch anyone? Bergetta On Aug 27, 2004, at 1:02 AM, ROBLEE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I seem to be the only person investigating the English Rubleys. ==== ROBLEE Mailing List ==== Post your queries and information here. No ROBLEE rock unturned. Spelling variations okay, since we don't really know where we came from. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The School Employees Retirement System of Ohio intends this e-mail message, and any attachments, to be used only by the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed. This message may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If the reader is not the intended recipient of this message or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are prohibited from printing, copying, storing, disseminating or distributing this communication. If you received this communication in error, please delete it from your computer and notify the sender by reply e-mail.

Congrats, Doug! If memory serves me you are in Canada...and mom got to stay in the hospital TWO days! Wow! Mucho years ago my mom was in the hospital...for all 6 of us for 10 days and they kept her in bed for nine days...bed pan and all...and then she could hardly walk! How did they do all this in Dutchess county NY in 17xx? :) Bergetta On Aug 27, 2004, at 1:02 AM, ROBLEE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > (our third grandchild)

Ok, this brings up another point of interest...if we aren't from Rapajie (sp?) and French then what has been told in "you all's" families as to the point of origin of your (various) line(s)? Dutch anyone? Bergetta On Aug 27, 2004, at 1:02 AM, ROBLEE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I seem to be the only person investigating > the English Rubleys.

you've got it right Cindy! Ber as in Minnesota in January! get (quickly and ta! Bergetta On Aug 27, 2004, at 1:02 AM, ROBLEE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > So, how do you say your name? In my mind, I have always pronouce it > just as > it is spelled: Ber (like burr) - get - ta

I agree with Ber-get' a and Cin' dy! I speak some French and try to imagine the French and German pronunciations of all the possible variations of Roblee. The Rapelais (Ra pell ay) or Robillard (Ro bill yar) family probably had to deal with mispellings and pronunciations by the Netherlanders they travelled with in the 1600s and the Rapalje (Rah pbal ee) spelling seems a plausible change for the exceptionally literate Dutch at the time. With a heavy English acccent in the New England colonies during the Revolution, the enlistment people probably struggled with the name and the phonetic spelling became Robblee (Rob a lee) or Roblee (Rob lee). As I said before, it was pronounced two different ways where I grew up and I always thought they were two unrelated families, Roblee (Rob lee and Roe blee)! As a coworker used to say, "I don't care what you call me, just don't call me late for dinner." I welcome all corrections or additions to my thoughts by real linguists or other theories! Phyl' lis

Though she won't be counted as a Bradt, Brott, Bunker, Detling or Roblee, I'd like to announce an addition to our family: Isabel Alejandra Ruiz, b. at 2:18 a.m. Tuesday, August 24, 2004, here in Medford, Oregon. Isabel is the child (our third grandchild) of Myra Contreras, my wife Manuela's youngest daughter, and her boyfriend Javier Antonio Ruiz. For those who doubt that families do connect, I can safely dispute them with these facts. Our six-year-old granddaughter (who's not directly related to me but who calls me Dad every single day) had just as much fun playing with my grandson (who's not related to her) shortly after his birth last April as she did holding her cousin Isabel for hours on end since Isabel's birth Tuesday. Way to go, Angel! She even kept her aunt Myra from holding her own daughter--at least until the baby got hungry! Isabel and Myra came home today after a two-day stay in Rogue Valley Medical Center; both are doing just great, and Isabel has now assumed her proper place as the youngest drama queen in la familia Detling. Doug

Jonathan has joined the list, but perhaps not in time for this message to have been sent, so I'm forwarding this message to the list. I sent copies of relevant earlier messages to him. Doug _____ From: Jonathan Joyce [mailto:second.cheops@btinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:05 PM To: doug.detling@greencity.org Subject: Re: Probable Origin of the Roblee Surname Doug, Yeah,maybe I was a bit too presumptious with 'probable' ! I've just subscribed to the list,thanks.I've just posted a little more on GENFORUM site. FYI,RUBLEY is only a minor sidebranch of my Family tree.However,I seemed to have uncovered a few oddities about the English RUBLEYs so that it is now one of my main areas of interest.I seem to be the only person investigating the English Rubleys.That's no so surprising as,for example,in the 1901 British census,they were less than 50 people recorded with this surname in the whole country. Regards, Jon