>Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:10:04 -0400 >From: [email protected] (Carol Thomas) >Subject: 1870-1875 J'burg Census > >1870 Census > > Last Name Age Birthplace Other Info >2 Roblee Luther 57 NY > Margaret 56 NY > William G. 86 NY > >3 Roblee Elisha P. 36 NY > Mary J. 36 NY > Hamilton 17 NY > Washington 19 NY > Sarah A. 19 NY > >11 Roblee Isaac 40 NY > Sally 37 NY > Chloe 13 NY > Henry 11 NY > Dora L. 7 NY > Francis B. 3 NY > Helen C. NY > >12 Roblee Theron 58 NY > Mary 53 NY > William A. 21 NY > Malden 17 NY > Ann 14 NY > Martha J. 12 NY > >16 Roblee Lyman 24 NY > Mary L. 15 NY > Francis NY > >29 SaundersBenjamin 42 VT > Mary A. 55 NY > Edwin J. 22 NY > Roblee Ann 78 NY > >39 Roblee Hiram 26 NY > Eliza 26 VT > > Roblee Charles C. 29 NY > Sarah J. 29 NY > George L. 7 NY > >107 Roblee Calvin 22 > Sarah 24 > Helen 3 > Fanny 1 > Lincoln Philo 25 > Roblee Calvin 83 > >112 Roblee Lyman 46 > Amy 38 > Henry 15 > Squires Phebe 15 > Monroe Henry 37 > Laura 14 > William 4 > >122 Roblee George 55 > Sally 50 > John T. 28 > Theron 25 > George 17 > Samuel 12 > David 9 > >132 Roblee Hugh 24 > Sophia 24 > Etta 1 > Hands James 22 > >203 Waddell Robert 36 NY > Electa J. 27 NY > Burk R. 11 NY > William R. 6 NY > Leland 2 NY > Roblee Susan 44 NY > Harrison 17 NY > Austin Albert 22 NY > Lumire Lewis 24 Canada > >1875 Census > ># Last Name First Name Age Birthplace >Other Info >337 Waddell Robert 41 Warren frame house > Electa 32 Warren > Burk 16 Warren > William 11 Warren > Lee 7 Warren > Rosa 3 Warren > Roblee Susan 51 Warren > Balcomb Caleb 29 Warren > > >4 Roblee Washington 25 Warren plank house > Lydia 25 Renssalaer > Benny 4 Warren > Alley 2 Warren > > >10 Roblee Elisha 41 Warren frame house > Mary 41 Warren > Margaret 3 Warren > Fuller Delia 16 Warren adopted daughter > Cross Judson 14 Warren adopted son > >12 Roblee Hugh 29 Warren frame house > Sophia 28 Warren > Ettie 6 Warren > Richard Warren > Russell Charles 20 Warren brother in law > >13 Roblee Luther 63 Washington frame house > Margaret 62 Renssalaer > >22 Roblee Hamilton 22 Warren frame house > Maryette 20 Warren > Nellie 3 Warren > Scott Warren > >26 Roblee Lyman 29 Warren frame house > Mary 21 Warren > Frank 5 Warren > >53 Roblee Malden 22 Warren frame house > Amelia 20 Warren > Mary Warren > >65 Roblee Isaac 45 Washington frame house > Sally 42 Warren > Henry 16 Warren > Dora 12 WArren > Bert 8 Warren > Ellen 5 Warren > >75 Roblee George 60 Washington plank house > Sally 55 Warren > John 33 Warren > Theron 29 Warren > George 22 Warren > Samuel 17 Warren > David 14 Warren > >98 Roblee Calvin 28 Warren frame house > Adalaid 29 Essex > Stella 8 Warren > Fannie 6 Warren > Gertrude Warren > >99 Roblee Sarah 34 Warren log house > George 12 Warren > > >104 Roblee Hiram 25 Washington frame house > Eliza 25 Washington > >125 Roblee Lyman 51 Washington frame house > Emma 46 Warren > Henry 20 Warren > Calvin 87 Washington father > >133 Roblee Edwin 31 Orleans frame house > Mary 29 Albany > Vernon Warren > >137 Bowman Ebenezer 35 Canada frame house > Adelia 31 Canada > Emma 9 Warren > George 7 Warren > Eveline 5 Hamilton > Rose Warren > Roblee William H. 22 Warren >

>Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:55:21 -0700 >From: [email protected] >... >Dear Phil [Roblee], > I just had another thought on the possibility that your Calvin might >be the son of Hiram Rublee. He also had another son named Alvin, born ca >1797, who was supposed to have removed to NY and was not mentioned in >his father's will. [Again, these notes are from Cindy's files] Some >people have changed their names for a multitude of reasons since forever >and this might be one case of same. In this case, Alvin may have added a >C and his surname was spelled in the common spelling of the locality >that he lived in. > I still wonder though, if the Calvins, local to Granville, may be >reversed as to origin. Hopefully, time will tell. Hope to hear from you >soon. >Bob >

>From: "John and BobbiKae McDowell" <[email protected]> >Subject: Orleans Co. ROBLEE >Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:37:20 -0600 >Jim [Roblee]: > >I found Reuben ROBLEE in the 1850 Orleans Co., NY Census. He was living >in Gaines Twp. He was age 57, his wife Mary 47. Their son Percival 23, >and dau Marion 10. The other 3 children, Matilda, Pamon, and Morgan, were >from the IGI. They were sent to the Family History Library in Salt Lake >City in 1955, so the submitter would be hard to contact. > >I extracted all NY Counties in 1850. ROBLEE's etc. were living in 13 >different counties at the time. > >Kay >

>From: Cindy Walcott <[email protected]> >Subject: Little Calvin's Grave >Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:42:06 -0400 >... >Okay -- I looked up my records. At the Berkshire Ctr. (VT) cemetery, I >saw the following gravestone:: > >Calvin Rublee, died July 2, 1811 at age 5. son of Hiram and Rhoda >Rublee. On the same gravestone: Fanny Faustina died Mar 25, 1827 at age >9. > >The Vermont Vital Records, consolidated in Middlesex has the following >records: > >Calvin Rublee, b. 4/23/1806 Berkshire, son of Hiram and Rhoda. >Calvin Rublee, d. 7/2/1811 buried Berkshire Ctr. Age 5. > >By the way there is no birth record for Alvin Rublee, supposed son of >Hiram and Rhoda who removed to New York State. ( I was thinking Alvin was >kind of an unusual name for that era, but I find about a dozen Alvins in >my >database of about 20,000 people. Most were born 1830-1840, so a >little later.) > >This mystery is not yet solved. Maybe researching from Laura's side will >shed some light. > >Cindy > >Cindy Walcott >Planning, Policy and Practice Unit >Social Services >103 South Main St. >Waterbury, VT 05671 >phone: (802) 241-2126 >e-mail: [email protected] > >-----Original Message----- >From: Roblee, Phil [SMTP:[email protected]] >Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 3:10 PM >To: '[email protected]' >Subject: RE: Looks Like the third Reuben - more >

>From: Cindy Walcott <[email protected]> >Subject: FW: Looks Like the third Reuben - more >Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:32:15 -0400 >... >I was working on my Robblee/Roblee annotated bibliography today and ran >across the following on Reuben m. Polly Spicer: > >Meech, Susan Spicer. History of the Descendants of Peter Spicer, a >Landowner in New London, CT as Early as 1666 and Others of the Name. > Boston: F. H. Gilson, 1911. > >p. 85-6 Polly Spicer, b. 20 Jul 1802 (d. of Jeremiah Spicer and Rhoda >Brownell of Granville, NY) m. Reuben Roblee. >p. 129 Reuben and Polly (Spicer) Roblee m. 25 Feb 1818. She d. 30 Mar >1854 Kendall, NY. Children: Matilda m. William Ross; Pamon m. Elizabeth >Averill, no children; Morgan m. Harriet Higgins; Percival; Marion d. >unmarried. > > >Note that Polly died in Kendall NY. This suggests that this is the >Reuben Roblee that lived in Kendall, NY. > >Cindy > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Cindy Walcott [SMTP:[email protected]] >Sent: Friday, July 03, 1998 1:45 PM >To: 'Jim Roblee'; Roblee (E-mail) >Subject: RE: Looks Like the third Reuben > >I looked in Bob Robblee's database. He agrees with the theory Jim >proposes. He has this Reuben's wife as Polly >Spicer, and the family having five children -- Matilda, Pamon, Morgan, >Percival and Marion (Interesting names -- had someone been reading old >English/Welsh tales??) > >The Vermont place of birth is interesting. I haven't found signs of Reuben >Sr. in New Haven, VT yet, BUT I don't think it impossible. A Nathaniel >Robblee bought land in New Haven 15 Oct 1792. This may have been >Nathaniel, brother of Reuben Sr. This is less than a year before we >Reuben Jr. was born. The birth records for that period are sketchy in some >places and non-existant in others. > >Cindy > >Cindy Walcott >Planning, Policy and Practice Unit >Social Services >103 South Main St. >Waterbury, VT 05671 >phone: (802) 241-2126 >e-mail: [email protected] > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Roblee [SMTP:[email protected]] >Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 10:33 PM >To: Roblee (E-mail) >Subject: Looks Like the third Reuben > >John and BobbiKae McDowell: > It looks like you have found the family of Reuben b 1793 son of Reuben b. >1770 ! This is the first info I have seen of this family. The record also >indicates that Mary (Polly) was the also the name of Reuben's mother so >there may be some sort of confusion. Could you indicate the source of this >info? The Carpenter manuscript indicates he was admitted to the Bapt. >Church in N. Granville in 1816. Orleans County is over 220 miles west of >Granville. > > > Jim Roblee > > >

>Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:36:20 -0400 (EDT) >From: [email protected] (by way of Phil Roblee <[email protected]>) >Subject: Before Calvin >... >I didn't get what I had hoped to get on my trip to WNY, but it was >productive, nonetheless. Don couldn't find the letter he had earlier >referred to (the one that allegedly contained Calvin's lineage), but he >had a lot of good information. If nothing else, my visit rekindled his >interest, and in turn his new interest rekindled the interests of others >with whom he had been in contact over the years. I'm confident the >Calvin issue will be resolved before our family reunion! >I managed to find the grave of Laura Everts McKnight, wife of Calvin. >She's buried in Freedom, Cattaraugus Co., NY in a cemetery on Maple Grove >Road...the cemetery where Orlando, her son, is buried. Her tombstone >lists the name, Laura McKnight, and it lies next to the grave sites of E. >Everts, G. Everts, and Sally (I think...my notes aren't with me at the >moment), his wife. As for Calvin's lineage, Don had information that he <had obtained from Connie (in Delaware), and she had speculated that >Calvin was the son of Hiram Rublee, son of William and Katurah. She >listed his birthdate as 1806...like your information, Bob...meaning he >died when he was about 29 years old. Maybe you can help here, Bob. The >GEDCOM file you sent contains >information about Calvin (son of Hiram), and it lists a birth (1806) and >death (1811?) date, in addition to a burial reference. If your >information >about Calvin is correct, and if it is based upon your visual inspection >of his tombstone, then the Hiram/Calvin/Orlando connection is wrong. >Where did you get your information about Calvin? >In my telephone conversation with Connie yesterday, she seems very >interested in Nathaneal Roblee/Rublee/Robblee's lineage. I'm not sure >where she's going with it, but it's a logical next step. Neither of us >have seen any information about Nathaneal's children. Anything out >there? >Other info I found is of interest only to descendants of Orlando Roblee >and Agnes T. Crandall. Don had a Crandall Family History book published >by a now-97 year old female Crandall descendant in Washington DC. I >contacted her (unbelievably sharp for someone born at the turn of the >century!), and she's sending me a copy of her book. >Lastly, I had hoped to visit the Rublee graves near Jamestown, Chatauqua >County, NY, but time didn't permit. In 3 days I visited six >cemeteries...some more than once. >It was fun, regardless. It must be in the blood, huh? >... >Phil > > > > > >Dear Phil, > Sounds like your trip expanded our aggregate store of knowledge. >The big question that I have is about the teaser that you left us >dangling with before you left. Did Don have any lineage previous to >Calvin, died 1835? Did he have any loose clues about people he couldn't >place? > I look forward to seeing Don's and Connie's additional information >on various family members as well as their thoughts about the earlier >family history. Hope to hear from them soon. > Coincidentally, I happened to speak with one of my co-workers last >Sunday who is of French descent. I asked him to pronounce 2 spellings of >our name, Robbilliard and Robleyer. The first was pronounced >Raw-blee-arr, and the second was pronounced Rob-blee. Now I know that >this is nowhere as exact as an expert in languages might be able to pin >things down, but it was how it was said by a literate French speaking >person. I didn't know that the comments on pronunciation had flown back >and forth until after my email had straightened out late last Sunday. It >is just another clue that points in a particular direction which may or >may not be part of the result we are all seeking. Hope to hear from you >soon. >Bob >

>Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:51:34 -0700 >From: [email protected] >... >Dear Phil [Roblee], > Sounds like your trip expanded our aggregate store of knowledge. >The big question that I have is about the teaser that you left us >dangling with before you left. Did Don have any lineage previous to >Calvin, died 1835? Did he have any loose clues about people he couldn't >place? > I look forward to seeing Don's and Connie's additional information >on various family members as well as their thoughts about the earlier >family history. Hope to hear from them soon. > Coincidentally, I happened to speak with one of my co-workers last >Sunday who is of French descent. I asked him to pronounce 2 spellings of >our name, Robbilliard and Robleyer. The first was pronounced >Raw-blee-arr, and the second was pronounced Rob-blee. Now I know that >this is nowhere as exact as an expert in languages might be able to pin >things down, but it was how it was said by a literate French speaking >person. I didn't know that the comments on pronunciation had flown back >and forth until after my email had straightened out late last Sunday. It >is just another clue that points in a particular direction which may or >may not be part of the result we are all seeking. Hope to hear from you >soon. >Bob >

>From: "Roblee, Phil" <[email protected]> >Subject: New Sources >Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:50:35 -0400 >... >I've been in touch with a couple cousins who as of yet either do not have >computers or are not on the internet. Both are of the Calvin >Roblee/Rublee & Laura Everts McKight line (my line). Some of you have >contacted one or both of them before. Others of you may want to contact >them, so I'm providing their names, addresses and phone numbers. I'm >sure they'd love to >hear from you. > >1. Don Roblee (pronounced with a short O sound) > 10415 Sandbank Road > Freedom, New York 14065 > Phone: (716) 676-3520 > > Don has done fairly extensive work in the Western New York area. > >2. Connie Roblee (pronounced with a long O sound) > 5163 Mahan Corner Road > Marydel, Delaware 19964 > Phone: (302) 492-8983 > > Connie has done a lot of work on the William and Katurah line, and >is very knowledgeable about New York/Vermont/New Hampshire boundary >issues. She's a Rapalje believer as well. I think BOB, CAROL and CINDY >might enjoy a conversation with Connie. She will be joining the >Genealogy Internet Circle as soon as she's able. > >Phil Roblee >

>Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:24:54 -0700 >From: [email protected] >Subject: Charles Cotrell, > >Dear Lynda [McGinnis], > I believe that you will find that Mary Eliza Cotrell, dau of Charles >and Eliza Roblee is the grandaughter of Luther Robblee of Granville. The >tree intertwines. Hope to hear from you soon. >Bob >

>From: Cindy Walcott <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: Looks Like the third Reuben >Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:45:13 -0400 >... >I looked in Bob Robblee's database. He agrees with the theory Jim >proposes. He has this Reuben's wife as Polly >Spicer, and the family having five children -- Matilda, Pamon, Morgan, >Percival and Marion (Interesting names -- had someone been reading old >English/Welsh tales??) > >The Vermont place of birth is interesting. I haven't found signs of >Reuben Sr. in New Haven, VT yet, BUT I don't think it impossible. A >Nathaniel Robblee bought land in New Haven 15 Oct 1792. This may have >been Nathaniel, brother of Reuben Sr. This is less than a year before >we Reuben Jr. was born. The birth records for that period are sketchy in >some places and non-existant in others. > >Cindy

>Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:24:25 -0400 >To: Cindy Walcott <[email protected]> >From: K E Robblee <[email protected]> >Subject: Rapalje theory and pronunciation >Cindy, > >Since the spelling in the 18th c. had not yet been "standardized", it >would probably be a good indication of pronounciation. Although today >some of us pronounce the family name with a "short o", and others with a >"long o" (and still others with a "long u"!), I think that English >speakers in the 18th century would have pronounced "o" and "u" with lip >rounding. (I need to check this out. I'm much more familiar with the >history of the Slavic languages than with the history of English!) A >"rounded o" would sound somewhat like the "aw" in the word "lawn", and a >rounded "u" would sound somewhat like the "oo" in "boot". > >But I didn't realize that the Rapalje theory would mean that the family >came from the Netherlands. Northern European languages such as Swedish >and Danish have some less common rounded vowels (e.g. a "long i" >pronounced with lip-rounding), in addition to the more common rounded >vowels (i.e. "o" and "u"). I don't know offhand whether this is also the >case in Dutch. If Dutch did have a rounded vowel spelled with the letter >"a", this could account for the "o/u" variation once the name was >Anglicized. This would make the linguistic evidence even more ambiguous. > >I'll see what I can find out about vowels in Dutch and English in the >17th and 18th centuries! > >Karen

>From: Jim Roblee <[email protected]> >Subject: Looks Like the third Reuben >Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:32:39 -0500 >... >John and BobbiKae McDowell: > It looks like you have found the family of Reuben b 1793 son of Reuben b. 1770 ! This is the first info I have seen of this family. The record also indicates that Mary (Polly) was the also the name of Reuben's mother so there may be some sort of confusion. Could you indicate the source of this info? The Carpenter manuscript indicates he was admitted to the Bapt. Church in N. Granville in 1816. Orleans County is over 220 miles west of Granville. > > > Jim Roblee >

>From: "John and BobbiKae McDowell" <[email protected]> >Subject: pronunciation >Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:12:55 -0600 >... >A friend of mine, born in France, pronounces my surname - ROB as in paw, >and the LIER as in lay, thus RAWBLAY. With the "U" it is very similar - >RUB as in cut. For what it's worth. > >... >I found a Reuben ROBLEE in Orleans Co., NY in 1850. His age was 57, b. >1793, wife Mary (Polly) age 47. Children: Percival age 23 and Marion age >10. Rueben b. VT. Another record lists children: Matila, Pamon and >Morgan. Who is this Reuben? > >Kay ROBLYER EYRE (WY) >

>From: Cindy Walcott <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: Pronunciation, believe it or not >Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:53:25 -0400 >... >This is a legitimate question, I think. Our family -- Rublee -- says Rube (long u) - lee. > >Cindy

>From: "Roblee, Phil" <[email protected]> >Subject: Pronunciation, believe it or not >Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:26:42 -0400 ... >This may sound really silly, but I'm curious about how you all pronounce >variants of our surname. I've spent a lot of time over the past few >decades correcting people who insist that "ROB'-LEE" should be pronounced >"ROBE'-LEE." I just took it for granted that every Roblee (or variant >thereof) pronounced the name with a short O...until the other day when my >son, Christopher, made contact with another Christopher Roblee...I think >he lives in Wisconsin...and that Christopher indicated his last name is >pronounced ROBE'-LEE (with a long O). >I don't think there's any question about the pronunciation off Robblee >(unless someone along the line decided the B should be pronounced like a >stutter...Ha). But there could be variations of Rublee, Raplee, >Robilliard, Rapalje. etc. I don't mean to clutter the e-mail network >with a lot of unnecessary chatter, but I'd really be interested to learn >of pronunciations that differ from the one to which I've become attached. > >Phil Roblee >

>From: Cindy Walcott <[email protected]> >Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:33:23 -0400 >... >Hi Karen [Roblee]-- To comment on the Rapalje theory -- If we are indeed >desc. from Joris Rapalje, that family spent a generation or two in the >Netherlands, and came with the Dutch settlers. Thus, the Dutch >pronunciation seems the >most relevant, rather than the French/Belgian. I asked a Dutch >acquaintance how Rapalje would be pronounced. He pronounced the first >syllable like "rop" (rhymes with "bop") and emphasized the three >syllables kind of equally -- rop-el-yea (last syllable vowel sound a >long a). It seems a very short leap from there to Rop-lea (ending sound >a long a) to Robblee. However, this interim spelling we get in >Huntington of Rublier or Rublear does not fit with this sequence. I also >note that if Robilliard was pronouced as you suggest, without the final >rd, it would also sound very similar to Rapalje. Interesting. > >The persistance of the Rapalje theory (I keep running into it) is >somewhat persuasive to me and geographically, of course, it works very >well. The Rapaljes settled in Brooklyn NY and spread out from there. >Huntington is just a hop, skip and a jump away from there. > >Cindy > > >Cindy Walcott >Planning, Policy and Practice Unit >Social Services >103 South Main St. >Waterbury, VT 05671 >phone: (802) 241-2126 >e-mail: [email protected] > >-----Original Message----- >From: K E Robblee [SMTP:[email protected]] >Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 7:16 PM >To: Roblee, Phil >Cc: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Passenger Lists > >At 9:26 AM -0400 6/30/98, Roblee, Phil wrote: >>To our resident Linguist, Karen Robblee... >>do you have any comments on Lynda's message? >> >>Phil Roblee > >Phil, This is a tough question. Based on the consonants, the "Rapelje" >theory seems more plausible. It would be much more likely for "p" to be >replaced by "b(b)" than for "dg" to be replaced by "b(b)". > >(Only one thing needs to happen for the sound "p" to change to "b": the >vocal cords need to start vibrating. But at least two things need to happen >for "dg" to change to "b". First the cluster would need to simplify to one >or the other sound ["d(d)" or "g(g)"], and then the place of articulation >needs to change. [Either the "d" produced with the front of the tongue or >the "g" produced using the back of the tongue would be replaced by a "b" >which is produced using one's lips.]) > >But "Rapelje" does not account for the vowel in the first syllable. Since >we see variation between "o" and "u" in the forms "Rob(b)lee" and >"Rub(b)lee", I am inclined to think that there must have been a rounded >vowel in the first syllable. "a"-like vowels tend not to be rounded, and >are less likely than "o" to be replaced by "u". > >>From a purely linguistic point of view, I like Bob's theory that the >family >name is derived from "Robbilliard". From what I understand, in the 17th >century the French probably would not have pronounced the word final "rd". >The rounded French "o" might also account for the variation between "o" and >"u". In addition, since the "i" after the "bb" was not stressed, it could >easily have dropped out through a type of contraction. > >But I wouldn't rule out the other possibilities. I agree with Lynda's >suggestion that orthography can be significant. If the "B" was written in a >way that looked like "dg" it could have replaced it. > >(I hope this wasn't more "linguistic" information than you wanted!) > >Karen > > >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [SMTP:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 8:05 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Passenger Lists >>> >>> Hi, >>> Do any of you have records of any Robblee (or similar spelling or >>> sound) >>> from passenger lists? I was wondering thru the NEHGS library this >weekend >>> and >>> found a book with 2 possibles. >>> >>> "Passengers To America", edited by Michael Tepper, Gen. Publ. Co., >>> Baltimore, >>> 1977. >>> >>> 1) pg 65: >>> "2 Maij 1635 >>> Theis (sic) under written names are to be transported to ye Barbadoes >>> imbarqued >>> in the Alexander Capt. Burche and Gilbert Grimes Mr P'Certificate from >the >>> Minister where they late dwelt the men tooke the oaths of Alleg and >>> Supremacie >>> die et a pred." >>> >>> This list includes: >>> "Geo: Rudglie" age 17 y >>> "Jo:Bush" age 22 y >>> {This name is a stretch for Robblee-like but, it would be easy to >mis-read >>> a "B" >>> with a tail, as "dg". Especially if the person reading it wasn't >familiar >>> with >>> the name of Robley/Roblie. Also, in sound, this name is as close to >>> Robblee as >>> is Rapelje/Raplee.} >>> >>> 2) pg 256: >>> "Port of London, 28 Feb. to 7 Mar. 1774." >>> List includes: >>> Joseph Robley, age 25y, Planter from Togabo, on the ship "Tobago >Planter", >>> going >>> to Tobago to his plantations. >>> Charles Thomas, age 23, Clerk from Westminster, on the ship "Tobago >>> Planter", >>> goin to Tobago on business. >>> >>> {During the 1600's, there were quite a few people who moved between New >>> England >>> and Long Island to and from the Carribean Islands like Tobago and >>> Barbados.} >>> Has anyone searched passenger lists? Any idea where the info came >>> from >>> which states that George & William came to Long Island in 1623? This >>> sound >>> pretty specific and must have originated somewhere. Any thoughts? >>> If anyone has done a routine search of passenger lists, could you >send >>> us a >>> listing of the sources you've already check so that we're not having to >>> duplicate work already done? >>> Lynda >

>Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:15:58 -0400 >From: K E Robblee <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: Passenger Lists >At 9:26 AM -0400 6/30/98, Roblee, Phil wrote: >>To our resident Linguist, Karen Robblee... >>do you have any comments on Lynda's message? >> >>Phil Roblee > >Phil, This is a tough question. Based on the consonants, the "Rapelje" >theory seems more plausible. It would be much more likely for "p" to be >replaced by "b(b)" than for "dg" to be replaced by "b(b)". > >(Only one thing needs to happen for the sound "p" to change to "b": the >vocal cords need to start vibrating. But at least two things need to >happen for "dg" to change to "b". First the cluster would need to >simplify to one or the other sound ["d(d)" or "g(g)"], and then the place >of articulation needs to change. [Either the "d" produced with the front >of the tongue or the "g" produced using the back of the tongue would be >replaced by a "b" which is produced using one's lips.]) > >But "Rapelje" does not account for the vowel in the first syllable. Since >we see variation between "o" and "u" in the forms "Rob(b)lee" and >"Rub(b)lee", I am inclined to think that there must have been a rounded >vowel in the first syllable. "a"-like vowels tend not to be rounded, and >are less likely than "o" to be replaced by "u". > >From a purely linguistic point of view, I like Bob's theory that the >family name is derived from "Robbilliard". From what I understand, in >the 17th century the French probably would not have pronounced the word >final "rd". > >The rounded French "o" might also account for the variation between "o" >and "u". In addition, since the "i" after the "bb" was not stressed, it >could easily have dropped out through a type of contraction. > >But I wouldn't rule out the other possibilities. I agree with Lynda's >suggestion that orthography can be significant. If the "B" was written in >a way that looked like "dg" it could have replaced it. > >(I hope this wasn't more "linguistic" information than you wanted!) > >Karen >

>From: Cindy Walcott <[email protected]> >Subject: Wm Robblee will >Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:30:04 -0400 >... >At Phil Roblee's suggestion, I am posting a transcription of William >Robblee of Lanesborough (m. Keturah Baker)'s will -- and also an excerpt >from a subsequent deed that addresses the Rebecca/Sarah Jeffords issue. > >Cindy > >The Will of William Robblee, on file at the Probate Court, Berkshire Co., >MA > > In the name of God, Amen, I William Robblee of Lanesborough, in the >County of Berkshire, of Commonwealth of Massachusetts, being of sound >mind & memory, believing in the immortality of the soul, and mortality of >the body do now, in the most solemn manner, design to give my soul to God >who gave it and my Body to be buried, in decent manner, at the >discretion, of my executors hereafter named. > > It is also my will and pleasure that the worldly good which a kind >providence hath bestowed upon me, be disposed of in the following manner, >agreeable to these presents (?), which Ido now make, and constitute, as >my last well and testament. That is to say: > > I give to my wife Katura, the gift use (?) of one third part of all my >real estate, except the far in the west part of Lanesborough known by the >name of the Lamkin farm during my natural life, and after my just (?) >debts are paid, one third part of my stock of cattle and household >furniture, to be disposed of at her pleasure, also the use of my bay mare >over and above one third part of my stock of cattle, as aforesaid, and if >said mare has any increase, that my sons Andrew, Francis, John Brush and >Erastus shall equally share, in the profits of the same. > > To my sons William and Hiram and to my daughters Lucy, Katura, Rebeccah >and Susanna, I give twenty acres of land in the west part of >Lanesborough, to be divided equally among them, said twenty acres is >known by the name of the Lamkin farm. > > To my sons Andrew, Francis John Brush and Erastus, I give the whole of my >real estate, except, what is disposed of as above, and also all my >farming tools, two-thirds parts of my household furniture, and two thirds >parts of my stock of cattle, except the Bay mare above mentioned. > > To my daughter Mary, I give free liberty to dwell in my house, with my >family, so long as she remains a single woman, also twenty shillings to >be paid by my wife within one year from the date of ?. > > To my daughter Sarah, I give twenty pounds lawful money to be paid her, >in such things as she may want when she arrives to the age of eighteen >years or the time of her marriage, said twenty pounds to be paid by my >wife Katura & my sons Andrew, Francis, John Brush and Erastus in equal >proportion. And I do hereby constitute and appoint my wife Katura, >Executrix, and my brothers-in-law Bethuel Baker and Francis Baker, >Executors, of this my last will and testament. > > In testimony and in confirmation of all which I have ? set my hand and >seal, this sixteenth day of March in the year of our Lord Christ 1792. > > Signed, sealed, pronounces and declared by the said William Robblee to be >his last will and testament in present of us. >Signed: William Robblee > >Witnessed: Nehemiah Bull, Obed ?, Junr and Abraham? Torry? > >(Inventory was submitted 4 Feb 1793) > >*********************** >From a deed on file in Berkshire Co., MA: > >Deed from Andrew and Francis Rubblee of New Haven, VT to Jesse Potter. >It conveys their share of the farm mentioned above to Mr. Potter, >referring to >the land given to them ?byth ewill of William Rublee last of said >Lanesborough Deceased to Catura Hoyt, Lucy Sprague, Susannah Seymour, >Rebecca Jeffords, Wiolliam Rublee, Hiram Ruble (sic) and us the said >Andrew and Francis . . . .? > >

>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:04:51 -0400 >From: [email protected] (Lynda McGinnis) >Subject: Passenger Lists >... >Hi, > Do any of you have records of any Robblee (or similar spelling or >sound) from passenger lists? I was wondering thru the NEHGS library this >weekend and found a book with 2 possibles. > >"Passengers To America", edited by Michael Tepper, Gen. Publ. Co., >Baltimore, 1977. > >1) pg 65: >"2 Maij 1635 >Theis (sic) under written names are to be transported to ye Barbadoes >imbarqued >in the Alexander Capt. Burche and Gilbert Grimes Mr P'Certificate from >the >Minister where they late dwelt the men tooke the oaths of Alleg and >Supremacie >die et a pred." > >This list includes: >"Geo: Rudglie" age 17 y >"Jo:Bush" age 22 y >{This name is a stretch for Robblee-like but, it would be easy to mis->read a "B" >with a tail, as "dg". Especially if the person reading it wasn't >familiar with >the name of Robley/Roblie. Also, in sound, this name is as close to >Robblee as >is Rapelje/Raplee.} > >2) pg 256: >"Port of London, 28 Feb. to 7 Mar. 1774." >List includes: >Joseph Robley, age 25y, Planter from Togabo, on the ship "Tobago >Planter", going >to Tobago to his plantations. >Charles Thomas, age 23, Clerk from Westminster, on the ship "Tobago >Planter", >goin to Tobago on business. > >{During the 1600's, there were quite a few people who moved between New >England >and Long Island to and from the Carribean Islands like Tobago and >Barbados.} > Has anyone searched passenger lists? Any idea where the info came >from which states that George & William came to Long Island in 1623? >This sounds pretty specific and must have originated somewhere. Any >thoughts? > If anyone has done a routine search of passenger lists, could you >send us a listing of the sources you've already check so that we're not >having to duplicate work already done? >Lynda >

>From: "Roblee, Phil" <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: Passenger Lists >Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:26:09 -0400 >... >To our resident Linguist, Karen Robblee... >do you have any comments on Lynda's message? > >Phil Roblee > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [SMTP:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 8:05 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Passenger Lists >> >> Hi, >> Do any of you have records of any Robblee (or similar spelling or >> sound) >> from passenger lists? I was wondering thru the NEHGS library this weekend >> and >> found a book with 2 possibles. >> >> "Passengers To America", edited by Michael Tepper, Gen. Publ. Co., >> Baltimore, >> 1977. >> >> 1) pg 65: >> "2 Maij 1635 >> Theis (sic) under written names are to be transported to ye Barbadoes >> imbarqued >> in the Alexander Capt. Burche and Gilbert Grimes Mr P'Certificate from the >> Minister where they late dwelt the men tooke the oaths of Alleg and >> Supremacie >> die et a pred." >> >> This list includes: >> "Geo: Rudglie" age 17 y >> "Jo:Bush" age 22 y >> {This name is a stretch for Robblee-like but, it would be easy to mis-read >> a "B" >> with a tail, as "dg". Especially if the person reading it wasn't familiar >> with >> the name of Robley/Roblie. Also, in sound, this name is as close to >> Robblee as >> is Rapelje/Raplee.} >> >> 2) pg 256: >> "Port of London, 28 Feb. to 7 Mar. 1774." >> List includes: >> Joseph Robley, age 25y, Planter from Togabo, on the ship "Tobago Planter", >> going >> to Tobago to his plantations. >> Charles Thomas, age 23, Clerk from Westminster, on the ship "Tobago >> Planter", >> goin to Tobago on business. >> >> {During the 1600's, there were quite a few people who moved between New >> England >> and Long Island to and from the Carribean Islands like Tobago and >> Barbados.} >> Has anyone searched passenger lists? Any idea where the info came >> from >> which states that George & William came to Long Island in 1623? This >> sound >> pretty specific and must have originated somewhere. Any thoughts? >> If anyone has done a routine search of passenger lists, could you send >> us a >> listing of the sources you've already check so that we're not having to >> duplicate work already done? >> Lynda >