Benjamin Robinson married 'the Widow Ellis,' nee Mildred Burbridge (is part of the problem here that her last name is sometimes 'Ellis' in records? (She was the widow of Hezekiah Ellis, and an Ellis family Bible seems to have provided information for Cousin Joan and for others who list Benjamin as a son of William's.)(Mildred was older by at least 5 yrs than her second husband, Benjamin, according to Joan Clifford.) The DNA from my family matches that of a Matthew Robinson, but we are in a haplogroup that is not at all typical for Europeans (my Brecht/Bright line tests I1a, also--those two lines are the only ones for which Y DNA is to be found, currently, for my various lines). Matthew can trace his family back to John Robinson, b 1779, Virginia, and Joseph, b abt 1750, Virginia, but not farther, the last i knew. Matthew's family and mine lived side by side in Kentucky, and a son, John Robinson, of that family married one of the Berry girls, Sarah/Sally, while my ancestor, John Robinson, married her sister Frances/Fanny. (My male cousin John provided the DNA in question here. John is more interested in his dogs' pedigrees than in his, he tells me, so i don't think corresponding with John would do you any good. He has no children, only dogs. He is my only living Robinson cousin with Y DNA.) see www.fayetteky.oilcreekgenealogy.net/content/virginiaorigins.html site of 'Cousin' Joan Clifford of Canada: "Joseph Robinson of Fayette County, Kentucky, and Descendants in Kentucky, Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois, Kansas, Oklahoma, and California' ('Virginia Origins' page) acc 8/13/11 He was married, probably about 1778 or 1779, to Mildred Ellis, the widow of Hezekiah Ellis, and daughter of Thomas Burbridge of Spotsylvania County. One tract of Thomas Burbridge’s land was located on the south side of the Lewis River, bordering the Pamunky River Road. Another tract lay on the north side of the Lewis River. Yet another tract was on Brock’s River, a branch of the Lewis River, and bordering the Lewis River. Benjamin Robinson went to Kentucky with the Travelling Church group of 1781, first to Crab Orchard, Lincoln County, where he lived on Gilbert’s Creek. He moved to the David’s Fork area of present-day Fayette County about 1785. Though a number of genealogists have searched, none that I know of have found Benjamin’s origins in Virginia. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/VA-Harrison-Monongalia/2004-01/1074901567 accessed 9/8/08 by bcs ' Father: BENJAMIN ROBINSON b: 17 DEC 1752 in Spottsylvania Co, VA> Mother: MILDRED BURBRIDGE b: 1790 in <, VA> [can't be born 1790 - after birth of her child - bcs]  Name: BENJAMIN ROBINSON>* Sex: M>* Birth: 17 DEC 1752 in Spottsylvania Co, VA>* Death: 1835 in Fayette Co., KY>* Note:> Benjamin Robinson and Mildred Burbridge Ellis Robinson moved to Crab Orchard, in 1781 with "The Travelling Church" which came in a group from Spottsylvania, VA; then, 4 years later settled in Fayette County, near Clark County line. They were members of David's Fork Baptist Church. The Bible records the death of Mildred Burbridge Robinson as April 1, 1811. This appeared in the Bible of Hezekiah Ellis, Jr. The David's Fork (Fayette Co., KY) Church shows records of Mildred's death. Mildred dropped dead at "the home bars" [this seems to mean a fence by a ditch - bcs] when returning from a neighbor's. It is presumed that the graves of Benjamin, Mildred, and Agnes are at David's Fork Church but that cemetery has been leveled. Some information concerning the family of Benjamin Robinson and Mildred Burbridge Ellis is quoted from information from Joan Clifford of Ontario in 1997. She had received it in 1988 from Margaret Luella Shipp Henley of Oklahoma City. Ms Henley had gotten it from the "Ellis family Bible" which in 1932 was in the possession of Mr. Ellis Brown of Los Angeles. The Fayette Co., KY Order Book, Vol. 9, 1833-1836: "Page 296, July 1835. Benjamin Moore, Margaret Moore, Mildred Moore, infant heirs of Martin Moore, over the age of 14 years, chose Margaret Moore for their Guardian. Charles Robinson, Boswell Mitchell, and George Moore securities". ' Clearly i am not going to be able to examine original documents here . . . . Re: John, the son of Benjamin (John is the 'that son' you refer to?) email from Joan Clifford, recd 9/9/08 The Robinson children mentioned in the Ellis Bible transcription mentioned was sent to me by Margaret Luella Shipp Henley, a descendant of William Ellis, eldest son of Mildred Robinson, widow of Hezekiah Ellis and daughter of Thomas Burbridge of Spotsylvania Co., Va. It has the earmarks of being written down from memory, as the errors it contains don't seem like common transcription errors. It has Nancy Robinson marrying Boswell Mitchell and Susan (Susannah) marrying Richard Mitchell but in fact it was Susannah who married Boswell Mitchell and Nancy who married Richard Mitchell. But the worse error is that it doesn't mention John Robinson as a son of Benjamin and Mildred Robinson. There is no doubt that Benjamin Robinson (1752-1835) had a son named John. Deed records make it clear--there is even a deed of 24 October 1812 (Deed book G, pages 198-199) in which Benjamin is transferring land to John Robinson and calls him "son." And there is no doubt that this son, John Robinson, married Fanny G. Berry. The Bourbon Co. [corrected - see below - bcs], Ky. The marriage bonds for John Robinson and Sally Berry and for John Robinson and Fanny Berry are signed by Thomas Berry, Jr., as bondsman. Thomas Berry, Jr.'s estate records mention Benjamin Robinson and Joseph Robinson as being the fathers of two John Robinsons who have notes due Thomas Berry, Jr.. The estate settlement even says "John Robinson (husband of Fanny)" And the Berry Bible record I mentioned before has Fanny G. Berry's birth date as 4 Sept. 1884. This is the same birth date as that on the gravestone of Fanny Robinson in Jessamine County, Ky. Also the final heirs sale of the remaining land of Benjamin Robinson in Fayette Co. lists "John Robinson and Fanny, his wife" and Fanny acknowledged the sale as Fanny G., wife of John Robinson. end of email She sent correction, same day: The marriage bond (for John and Fanny G. Berry) was not issued in Bourbon County, but was from Clark County, which is where the Berry family lived. Perhaps this helps. I hope so. It explains where i am at this point in my search (and i am on the West Coast, not likely to be lurking in Virginia courthouses), at least, and gives some, but not all, of the sources. I don't expect anything to be 'proved'--in fact, as i understand it, that is an outdated concept in genealogy. We document, we support, we seek to substantiate--and we remain open to new information. successful searching, y'all bcs >>>The Benj above is what I have a problem with.? For > the life of me I can't understand where they get > their info.? I can find Benj in Wms will, but the > Burbridge doesn't pan out for me or that son - maybe > I'm missing something. > >>> > >>>I really doubt my Thos R was a son of John R but, > Benj R did have a son named Thos that no one has > found.? The records from these counties are mostly > gone, as you well know, and so I'm not sure I can > prove a paper trail.? Thus, the need for ydna. >