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    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. W Hugh Tucker
    3. R. Stanley Barnhill felt that he was but not through Jean (John) Roberts. On the other hand, Barnhill thought that Abraham (husband of Elizabeth) may have been a son of the Rev. Pierre Robert rather than a grandson. The short answer is that documentation for this generation of descendants of the Rev. Pierre Robert is sketchy and based largely on family tradition. I think he may have been a son of Elias Robert. I do not believe (though I may be wrong) that we have a probate record for the Rev. Pierre Robert which would list his children. It is clear to me that both Abrahams were French Roberts. That is why we need some DNA testing to see if the lines are related. It is also why we need this discussion group. Hugh Tucker On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:48 PM, deangrossm@aol.com wrote: > So the "other" Abraham Roberts, ancestor of the Robertses who migrated to Amite County, MS, is not descended from Pierre Robert?

    07/04/2012 08:32:54
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. So the "other" Abraham Roberts, ancestor of the Robertses who migrated to Amite County, MS, is not descended from Pierre Robert? -----Original Message----- From: J. L. Sibley Jennings, Jr. <jlsj@dmv.com> To: william wray <camark_collector@yahoo.com>; robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 1:16 am Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS Folks, I'm becoming a little perturbed at some of the unnecessarily snarky omments. At the risk of launching into my own snarkidom, I ask you olitely to give great credit, where credit is indeed due, to cousin Annie iller and her remarkable book "Our Family Circle". It is, in fact, ncredibly accurate considering the tens of thousands of people she had to rack down without benefit of telephone, computers or the internet, to ompile the monumental work that she produced. What errors there are in it are not of her making, but rather the errors of ther family members who sent her what they knew, or thought they knew, at he time. You have to consider that between the late 17th and early 18th enturies to today we have had a major revolution, a civil war, homes urned, letters and bibles lost or destroyed, courthouses and churches urned or destroyed by war, accidents, or the elements (hurricanes) taking heir records with them so that we are lucky to have any deeds, wills or ther documentation at all. The very fact that cousin Annie Miller was able o compile the records she did is nothing short of astonishing. I suggest hat, even with today's technology, it is altogether doubtful that any of ou could achieve anything similar to the achievement of that little entlelady. Having said that, I suggest that all of you should have at your fingers, as do, two copies of cousin Annie's book: 1) a copy of the original 1931 ublication, and, 2) a copy of the 1987 annotated version, a "xerox" ardback of the same book with handwritten notations and corrections that as published by our cousins, the "Lawton and Allied Families Association" eadquartered on Hilton Head Island. IF cousin Annie had not produced her ook, and distributed it liberally among all of our family lines, there ould be no source for the thousands of lines of descent to correct and nnotate for future generations. As scholarship progresses, and as more ocuments are uncovered, it might be possible to produce an even more ccurate picture of our ancestors -- but, none of it would have happened ithout cousin Annie!!! Both Landgrave Thomas Smith, Royal Governor of SC and founder of Charleston today's "Battery" was the side lot to his mansion house) and Pierre Robert ere my 8x-great-grandfathers. There is not a single error in Annie's ntire book from TS & PR to me (actually, my father; I was not yet born at he time of her publication). Perhaps that was because we still had Bibles, ills, deeds and letters, along with other artifacts, from the time of their rrival in 17th c. SC that we were able to supply cousin Annie. I have no oubt that others had a more difficult time. One of the bankers living ehind me here in Macon, Georgia, a gentleman named Johnson, was from ouisiana; he was descended from Pierre Robert as I am. We had known each ther for twenty years before we discovered we were cousins. And that was nly because he spotted one of my copies of her book in my library! "Our Family Circle" is one of the "Bibles" for the First Families of South arolina, an organization in which both I and my father (now deceased) are ife members. They meet annually in Charleston. If you want to really do omething about a Robert DNA project, that organization is where you should tart. At the last meeting my father attended it was estimated that he had iving, at that time, some 80,000 cousins in SC alone. And a goodly ercentage of them were Robert. If you are not willing to wait until next Spring's annual meeting to round p more Robert male descent guinea pigs, then call Atlanta and ask for obert & Co. They are, or were, one of the nation's biggest engineering and rchitectural companies. When I was at Georgia Tech many years ago, I was iven to understand that "Chip" Robert's company had some 2,000 professional mployees. I knew Chip. I never asked him that was so, but suffice to say t's a big company. Lawrence Wood Robert, Jr. ("Chip"), was president of the company; he was lso, I think, treasurer of the Democratic Party under FDR and Truman, and as responsible for the East Front extension of the U.S. Capitol as well as he design and construction of the Rayburn House (of Representatives) Office uilding to the south of the Capitol. Chip was a member of the Atlanta power lite; many of the other prominent Atlantans with whom he dealt were also is Robert and Smith cousins but with varying surnames via marriage over the enturies. Chip had a son, L. W. Robert, III, born in 1912 [OFC, pg 279]; Chip, Jr." had two sons: L. W. Robert, IV, and David L. Robert. There is a easonably good chance that they are alive and living in Atlanta, perhaps till working at the offices of Robert & Co. Google "Chip" Robert and Robert & Co. Otherwise, grab a copy of cousin nnie Miller's book and look up all of the male Robert surnamed born between 900 and 1931 and get on the internet to see if they, or their children / ranchildren, are still living in the community she had listed. If I can be of further help, feel free to contact me at my Macon, Georgia, esidence where I am at the moment. The email address with this missive is y Maryland address. Use a different one to contact me in Georgia: lsj2@att.net My Macon telephone number is (478) 742-5438. Macon is overrun with Robert kin!!! Regards. J. L. Sibley Jennings, Jr. P.S.: my father's birth in 1920 is recorded in cousin Annie's book [pg 454], nd on page 452 is a ca. 1910 photo of my great-grandparents in their adillac drop-top touring car with four of the ten kids sitting on the onnet, four ladies lounging in the rear, and the two oldest boys, then at niversity, hunkered down on the running board. I have the original photo hat cousin Annie reproduced in the book. So, be gentlemanly or ladylike hen you breathe cousin Annie's name, and please give her credit where redit is seriously due. Thanks. JLSJ. ----- Original Message ----- rom: "william wray" <camark_collector@yahoo.com> o: <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> ent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:01 PM ubject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS Thanks for all the info Hugh, I learned , albeit , the hard way, not to take everything that is published , as gospel fact ....................... case in question ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Anne Miller publication ,,,,,,, puttisng the Robert family into Abeyswerth Wales for several generations ............................. it just didnt happen that way . .. period so , from that , i gather that the miller book may or may not contain some more """""""""""""""""""" family lore """"""""" passed down from great gran ma or grna pa ................ ive learned to check it out , for the truth . thanks william ________________________________ From: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS I am sorry if I have stepped on some toes, but I do care about historical evidence. Genealogy is not an exact science but it does depend on historical record. As far as I have been able to determine the source of the assertion that Abraham II was the son of Abraham Roberts and Elizabeth Shepard was a series of two articles by Nathaniel Edward (Ed) Roberts in Transactions of the Huguenot Society of South Carolina, no. 77 & 78, 1972. These articles had some very good research but they also had a lot of speculation. on page 78 (vol. 77), Ed Roberts states : Abraham Robert ca. 1720 - ca 1757; " Abraham Roberts, I. (Abraham Robert), undoubtedly lef French Santee, South Carolina, rather than leaving France, as it is written in the Roberts Family History), for the Georgetown District, South Carolina.... In addition to Abraham, II, born in 1745, and several daughters (we think at least three) , there was an older son who was reported to have been born in 1740, named John ( later information shows John's birth to be 1742-43, in a copy of the Roberts-Lambright-Andrew Bible, marked very hard to read at the above date. >From the year of John's birth, I think it is safe to assume that Abraham >Robert was born 1719-22 and married Elizabeth Shepard 1739-41." On page 79 "Actually very few items have shown up on Abraham Robert, I, ... now I can see why Annie E. Miller writes: " We know very little about him." This is what we know about Abraham Roberts and Elizabeth. Contrary to Ed Roberts speculations based on the Lambright Bible, we do not know Elizabeth's maiden name. The Shepard comes from her marriage to James Shepard about 1750 in St. Bartholomew's parish, Colleton County, SC. The date is based on the birth date of her son, Thomas Shepard on 9 Nov. 1752 (Shepard Family Bible). This means that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died no later than 1751, six years earlier that the date given by Ed Roberts. James Shepard's Will probated in 1759 names John Roberts as "his son-in-law" . In this case this means his son by marriage to his mother rather than the modern meaning. As John Roberts was not of legal age to be executor (as stated in the will, his mother and James Shepard's widow was named executrix. The only beneficiaries named are John Roberts and his son, Thomas Shepard. The entire will can be found in the archives of this discussion group. Elizabeth Shepards will probated in Liberty County, Georgia after her death in 1785: Her will was probated by Francis Brown in Liberty County, Georgia. "Liberty County, Georgia, Probate Court, Original will of Elizabeth Sheppard: "Georgia / In the Name of God Amen. I Elizabeth Sheppard of St. John's Parish and Province Aforesaid Widow ... First. I Give and Bequeath unto my Eldest Son Jo[torn] Roberts. His Bond (let it be what Sum it will) which he gave me for Two Negroe Winches: Named Sylvia and Judah: the Bond being at Present in the Hands of Mr Gideon Dupont in Charles Town. So Carolina. and it is my Will that be fully, Clearly & Absolutely Discharged of the Same. Also to my Grand Daughter Elizabeth Roberts I Give ... One Gold Ring, and One Pair of Gold Sleeve Buttons . ... All the Residue, and Remainder, of my Estate ... I Give. Devise, and Bequeath. unto my well Beloved Son. Thomas Sheppard.6 whom I Do hereby Constitute and Appoint my whole and Sole Executor ... this Thirteenth Day of March ... One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy Two ... I Elizabeth her III Hand Sheppard / In the Presence of Us ... / s/ Francis Brown / s/ Michael Williamson / Personally appeared this 14th ... September 1785 before me Thos Baker Register of Probates for Liberty County ... State of Georgia Frances Brown ... duly sworn ... he saw Elizabeth Shepard sign ... her last Will ... he also saw Michael Williamson sign ... as witness ... / s/ Thomas Baker R. P. “ (the three dots are in the original to prevent text insertions) Note that in neither will are any other children mentioned or acknowledged. If Abraham II was Elziabeth's child we would have expected him to be mentioned in one or both wills. There is also evidence (land and other records) that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died in St. Bartholomew's parish. Now what about Abraham, the father of Abraham Ii. A Will was probated for Abraham Roberts in the Georgetown district in 1762. Given that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died at least ten years earlier, this must be a different Abraham Roberts. On March 20, 1762, letters of guardianship were granted to Anthony Sweet and Martha his wife, "on Abraham Roberts, Infant Child of Abraham Roberts late of Fredericks Parish, planter deceased." Anthony Sweet's grandson, William Charles Sweet (Margaret Mitchell's grandfather) stated: My grandfather, Anthony Sweet (I) married a widow, Mrs. Roberts, whose maiden name I never inquired. She possessed some property and it was the basis on which my grandfather built his fortune. She was my grandmother and it grieves me that I never inquired about her. She died when her five children were quite small and my father was reared by a stepfather. A Sweet family tradition states that her maiden name was Avant. On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:57 PM, william wray wrote: > Hi Kikki, you are referring to elizabeth shepard , i think, and you are > referring to a Hugh Tucker, if im not mistaken, he is a """know it > all""""" and if u dont agree with him , u are dead wrong, i put him > off my list of people to contact ....................... soon as my son > in law comes up and gets my computer straightened out ill get u a list > of what i have and we can complare, will that be ok ???? > gary > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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    07/04/2012 07:48:08
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. J. L. Sibley Jennings, Jr.
    3. Hugh: Point taken. The fact of several distinctly different members of the same extended family having the same name in the same time period was so common (and still is) that it is a wonder we do not have greater trouble differentiating the cast of characters. I can immediately identify at least twenty instances of that in my own lines found in "Our Family Circle" and even more examples in other SC families not in that book, including Sully, Reeves, Gigniallat, Manigault, Barnwell, Hampton, Toomer, Pringle, Bounetheau -- and that's just off the top of my head without bothering to look particulars. It was relatively common for brothers, and cousins, to name sons (and daughters) for their siblings, as well as themselves. Thus, two brothers could each name one male heir for themselves (Jr.) and another for their brother (or, brothers) whom they sought to honor by so naming the child. Thus, children of the same name, in the same generation, would be first cousins. That happened so frequently that in our clan we took to giving each child of the same name a nickname in order to know which one we were (are) talking about. One of my great uncles (a 7x-great-grandchild of Pierre Robert) who helped raise me had no less than four nephews named for him, all with the same name but from different parents, and all about the same age. It really became chaos when three of those boys attended the same military school at the same time. What truly messes with peoples' brains is when, as with many southern families, the production of children by one set of parents extends over more than one generation -- as, for instance, families that frequently had at least ten and as many as fifteen or more children, so that by the time youngest are being born their older siblings are already grown up, were out in the world, married and producing children of their own. It is therefore commonplace among our southern kin to have nieces and nephews, who are older than their aunts and uncles. Again, commonplace. And confusing to those who came later after the principals were dead and buried. Regards. Sib. P.S.: by the way, I am also a Tucker. This same problem pops up again and again among the Tuckers. It gets especially interesting when a daughter and a granddaughter of the same Tucker forefather marry two brothers, one a generation older than his younger brother, so that aunt and niece now became sisters-in-law. That happened twice in one generation of my Tucker's, along with (awkward!) two of the Tucker sisters of the aunt mentioned above, who married two brothers, both descended from Pierre Robert and Robertville, and all three of the Tucker siblings named children for each other. Cheers. S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "W Hugh Tucker" <htucker@stny.rr.com> To: <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS > My problem was not with Annie Miller. I have found her book to be well > done and well documented. My problem isn't even with Ed Roberts. He > clearly stated that his conclusions were speculative. My problem is with > people that have posted Ed's speculations on the internet as the absolute > truth and do not even know their source. I have asked people where they > got the multiple children for Abraham and Elizabeth Roberts and they would > state Our Family Circle. It is not in Our Family Circle. It took me five > years to track down the Ed Roberts articles as the source of this > mis-information. > > The problem is that descendants of Abraham II may feel cut off from the > Rev. Pierre Robert line as the link was between Abraham (husband of > Elizabeth) being a son of John (Jean) Roberts if they are descended from a > different Abraham. E. Stanley Barnhill first spotted the problem in his > research into early SC families and I found the documentation that led to > the fact that there were, indeed, two Abraham Roberts in SC at the same > time (1720 -1750) None of this is in Annie's book. > > W. Hugh Tucker > > > On Jul 4, 2012, at 2:13 AM, J. L. Sibley Jennings, Jr. wrote: > >> Folks, I'm becoming a little perturbed at some of the unnecessarily >> snarky >> comments. At the risk of launching into my own snarkidom, I ask you >> politely to give great credit, where credit is indeed due, to cousin >> Annie >> Miller and her remarkable book "Our Family Circle". It is, in fact, >> incredibly accurate considering the tens of thousands of people she had >> to >> track down without benefit of telephone, computers or the internet, to >> compile the monumental work that she produced. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2192 / Virus Database: 2433/5108 - Release Date: 07/03/12 >

    07/04/2012 06:09:48
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. W Hugh Tucker
    3. My problem was not with Annie Miller. I have found her book to be well done and well documented. My problem isn't even with Ed Roberts. He clearly stated that his conclusions were speculative. My problem is with people that have posted Ed's speculations on the internet as the absolute truth and do not even know their source. I have asked people where they got the multiple children for Abraham and Elizabeth Roberts and they would state Our Family Circle. It is not in Our Family Circle. It took me five years to track down the Ed Roberts articles as the source of this mis-information. The problem is that descendants of Abraham II may feel cut off from the Rev. Pierre Robert line as the link was between Abraham (husband of Elizabeth) being a son of John (Jean) Roberts if they are descended from a different Abraham. E. Stanley Barnhill first spotted the problem in his research into early SC families and I found the documentation that led to the fact that there were, indeed, two Abraham Roberts in SC at the same time (1720 -1750) None of this is in Annie's book. W. Hugh Tucker On Jul 4, 2012, at 2:13 AM, J. L. Sibley Jennings, Jr. wrote: > Folks, I'm becoming a little perturbed at some of the unnecessarily snarky > comments. At the risk of launching into my own snarkidom, I ask you > politely to give great credit, where credit is indeed due, to cousin Annie > Miller and her remarkable book "Our Family Circle". It is, in fact, > incredibly accurate considering the tens of thousands of people she had to > track down without benefit of telephone, computers or the internet, to > compile the monumental work that she produced.

    07/04/2012 04:15:00
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS- was ABRAHAM ROBERTS--now also DNA, and roll call!
    2. My great-grandfather was Luther Lee Roberts of Amite County, MS, son of Thomas Griffing Roberts, son of Abraham III. Kristen Dean-Grossmann Urbana, IL -----Original Message----- From: william wray <camark_collector@yahoo.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 3, 2012 10:35 pm Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS- was ABRAHAM ROBERTS--now also DNA, and roll call! Hi Cindi, appears your line is the group that migrated into Miss. and on ver into La very early 1800's i have lots of them in my data base ................. mine was thru John Robarts ((( rev war )) who changed t to Robarts and family later on moved into Liberty Co. Ga. then on into Fl and across alabama into arkansas after the Civil war .............. wud love to get into the dna project but im one generation off the Robarts line . ary _______________________________ From: Cyndi <pathoscafe@aol.com> o: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com ent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:25 PM ubject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS- was ABRAHAM ROBERTS--now also NA, and roll call! Hi all, So happy to see activity on this list! I've tried to find candidates for the DNA project for years now. Peter Roberts, he admin, said he thought he had one once but that person withdrew for some eason (after testing!). Sigh... What we need for the test is a male escendant still carrying the Robert/Roberts surname... can anyone help us find candidate? I have connection to the Abraham line here so can't contribute to that part of he discussion. Please, tell us more about the John of Liberty Co, GA? Let's have a roll call, folks! Remind us of your direct Robert line... My own is Capt Pierre to son James m. Elizabeth, to dau Esther Susannah Robert my ggggmother) m. Joseph Rutledge, to my Rutledge line which I'm happy to share f anyone is interested. Let's hear from you all! Cyndi in Baltimore our list admin -----Original Message----- rom: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> o: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> ent: Tue, Jul 3, 2012 11:09 pm ubject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS ou are welcome. I just want genealogy to be a living pursuit rather than a set f assertions set in concrete by the internet. I always try to track down ources. It took me five years to track down the Ed Roberts articles as the ource of most Abraham Roberts trees on the internet. When I actually read his rticles I found that his clearly stated speculations got set in concrete on the internet. I do wish that some male line descendants (i.e. surnamed Robert, Roberts, obarts) of the Rev. Pierre Robert would join the Roberts DNA project. This ould require two or three separate lines (i.e. traced back to different Pierre obert sons) to be truly useful. I have found that I have had to abandon many of the genealogies handed down in y family but what I found was even more interesting. I do wish that people ould share early documents on this site relating to the Rev. Pierre Robert ines. I have tracked down about four generations of the John Robarts (Liberty ounty, GA) line. I am also trying to see if there is a connection to the Roberts that settled in arengo County, Alabama. They came to Marengo from the Marion District. W. Hugh Tucker, Ph.D. Thanks for all the info Hugh, I learned , albeit , the hard way, not to ake everything that is published , as gospel fact ....................... ase in question ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Anne Miller publication ,,,,,,, puttisng the Robert family into Abeyswerth Wales for several generations ............................ it just didnt happen that way . .. period so , from that , i gather that the miller book may or may not contain ome more """""""""""""""""""" family lore """"""""" passed down from great ran ma or grna pa ................ ive learned to check it out , for he truth . thanks william ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

    07/04/2012 01:25:30
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. J. L. Sibley Jennings, Jr.
    3. Folks, I'm becoming a little perturbed at some of the unnecessarily snarky comments. At the risk of launching into my own snarkidom, I ask you politely to give great credit, where credit is indeed due, to cousin Annie Miller and her remarkable book "Our Family Circle". It is, in fact, incredibly accurate considering the tens of thousands of people she had to track down without benefit of telephone, computers or the internet, to compile the monumental work that she produced. What errors there are in it are not of her making, but rather the errors of other family members who sent her what they knew, or thought they knew, at the time. You have to consider that between the late 17th and early 18th centuries to today we have had a major revolution, a civil war, homes burned, letters and bibles lost or destroyed, courthouses and churches burned or destroyed by war, accidents, or the elements (hurricanes) taking their records with them so that we are lucky to have any deeds, wills or other documentation at all. The very fact that cousin Annie Miller was able to compile the records she did is nothing short of astonishing. I suggest that, even with today's technology, it is altogether doubtful that any of you could achieve anything similar to the achievement of that little gentlelady. Having said that, I suggest that all of you should have at your fingers, as I do, two copies of cousin Annie's book: 1) a copy of the original 1931 publication, and, 2) a copy of the 1987 annotated version, a "xerox" hardback of the same book with handwritten notations and corrections that was published by our cousins, the "Lawton and Allied Families Association" headquartered on Hilton Head Island. IF cousin Annie had not produced her book, and distributed it liberally among all of our family lines, there would be no source for the thousands of lines of descent to correct and annotate for future generations. As scholarship progresses, and as more documents are uncovered, it might be possible to produce an even more accurate picture of our ancestors -- but, none of it would have happened without cousin Annie!!! Both Landgrave Thomas Smith, Royal Governor of SC and founder of Charleston (today's "Battery" was the side lot to his mansion house) and Pierre Robert were my 8x-great-grandfathers. There is not a single error in Annie's entire book from TS & PR to me (actually, my father; I was not yet born at the time of her publication). Perhaps that was because we still had Bibles, wills, deeds and letters, along with other artifacts, from the time of their arrival in 17th c. SC that we were able to supply cousin Annie. I have no doubt that others had a more difficult time. One of the bankers living behind me here in Macon, Georgia, a gentleman named Johnson, was from Louisiana; he was descended from Pierre Robert as I am. We had known each other for twenty years before we discovered we were cousins. And that was only because he spotted one of my copies of her book in my library! "Our Family Circle" is one of the "Bibles" for the First Families of South Carolina, an organization in which both I and my father (now deceased) are life members. They meet annually in Charleston. If you want to really do something about a Robert DNA project, that organization is where you should start. At the last meeting my father attended it was estimated that he had living, at that time, some 80,000 cousins in SC alone. And a goodly percentage of them were Robert. If you are not willing to wait until next Spring's annual meeting to round up more Robert male descent guinea pigs, then call Atlanta and ask for Robert & Co. They are, or were, one of the nation's biggest engineering and architectural companies. When I was at Georgia Tech many years ago, I was given to understand that "Chip" Robert's company had some 2,000 professional employees. I knew Chip. I never asked him that was so, but suffice to say it's a big company. Lawrence Wood Robert, Jr. ("Chip"), was president of the company; he was also, I think, treasurer of the Democratic Party under FDR and Truman, and was responsible for the East Front extension of the U.S. Capitol as well as the design and construction of the Rayburn House (of Representatives) Office Building to the south of the Capitol. Chip was a member of the Atlanta power elite; many of the other prominent Atlantans with whom he dealt were also his Robert and Smith cousins but with varying surnames via marriage over the centuries. Chip had a son, L. W. Robert, III, born in 1912 [OFC, pg 279]; "Chip, Jr." had two sons: L. W. Robert, IV, and David L. Robert. There is a reasonably good chance that they are alive and living in Atlanta, perhaps still working at the offices of Robert & Co. Google "Chip" Robert and Robert & Co. Otherwise, grab a copy of cousin Annie Miller's book and look up all of the male Robert surnamed born between 1900 and 1931 and get on the internet to see if they, or their children / granchildren, are still living in the community she had listed. If I can be of further help, feel free to contact me at my Macon, Georgia, residence where I am at the moment. The email address with this missive is my Maryland address. Use a different one to contact me in Georgia: jlsj2@att.net My Macon telephone number is (478) 742-5438. Macon is overrun with Robert kin!!! Regards. J. L. Sibley Jennings, Jr. P.S.: my father's birth in 1920 is recorded in cousin Annie's book [pg 454], and on page 452 is a ca. 1910 photo of my great-grandparents in their Cadillac drop-top touring car with four of the ten kids sitting on the bonnet, four ladies lounging in the rear, and the two oldest boys, then at university, hunkered down on the running board. I have the original photo that cousin Annie reproduced in the book. So, be gentlemanly or ladylike when you breathe cousin Annie's name, and please give her credit where credit is seriously due. Thanks. JLSJ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "william wray" <camark_collector@yahoo.com> To: <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS > Thanks for all the info Hugh, I learned , albeit , the hard way, not to > take everything that is published , as gospel fact ....................... > case in question ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Anne Miller publication ,,,,,,, puttisng > the Robert family into Abeyswerth Wales for several generations > ............................. it just didnt happen that way . .. period > so , from that , i gather that the miller book may or may not contain some > more """""""""""""""""""" family lore """"""""" passed down from great > gran ma or grna pa ................ ive learned to check it out , for the > truth . > > thanks > > william > > > > ________________________________ > From: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> > To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS > > I am sorry if I have stepped on some toes, but I do care about historical > evidence. Genealogy is not an exact science but it does depend on > historical record. > As far as I have been able to determine the source of the assertion that > Abraham II was the son of Abraham Roberts and Elizabeth Shepard was a > series of two articles by Nathaniel Edward (Ed) Roberts in Transactions of > the Huguenot Society of South Carolina, no. 77 & 78, 1972. These articles > had some very good research but they also had a lot of speculation. > > on page 78 (vol. 77), Ed Roberts states : Abraham Robert ca. 1720 - ca > 1757; > " Abraham Roberts, I. (Abraham Robert), undoubtedly lef French Santee, > South Carolina, rather than leaving France, as it is written in the > Roberts Family History), for the Georgetown District, South Carolina.... > In addition to Abraham, II, born in 1745, and several daughters (we think > at least three) , there was an older son who was reported to have been > born in 1740, named John ( later information shows John's birth to be > 1742-43, in a copy of the Roberts-Lambright-Andrew Bible, marked very hard > to read at the above date. >>From the year of John's birth, I think it is safe to assume that Abraham >>Robert was born 1719-22 and married Elizabeth Shepard 1739-41." > On page 79 > "Actually very few items have shown up on Abraham Robert, I, ... now I can > see why Annie E. Miller writes: " We know very little about him." > > This is what we know about Abraham Roberts and Elizabeth. Contrary to Ed > Roberts speculations based on the Lambright Bible, we do not know > Elizabeth's maiden name. The Shepard comes from her marriage to James > Shepard about 1750 in St. Bartholomew's parish, Colleton County, SC. The > date is based on the birth date of her son, Thomas Shepard on 9 Nov. 1752 > (Shepard Family Bible). This means that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham > Roberts died no later than 1751, six years earlier that the date given by > Ed Roberts. > > James Shepard's Will probated in 1759 names John Roberts as "his > son-in-law" . In this case this means his son by marriage to his mother > rather than the modern meaning. As John Roberts was not of legal age to be > executor (as stated in the will, his mother and James Shepard's widow was > named executrix. The only beneficiaries named are John Roberts and his > son, Thomas Shepard. The entire will can be found in the archives of this > discussion group. > > Elizabeth Shepards will probated in Liberty County, Georgia after her > death in 1785: > Her will was probated by Francis Brown in Liberty County, Georgia. > > "Liberty County, Georgia, Probate Court, Original will of Elizabeth > Sheppard: "Georgia / In the Name of God Amen. I Elizabeth Sheppard of St. > John's Parish and Province Aforesaid Widow ... First. I Give and Bequeath > unto my Eldest Son Jo[torn] Roberts. His Bond (let it be what Sum it will) > which he gave me for Two Negroe Winches: Named Sylvia and Judah: the Bond > being at Present in the Hands of Mr Gideon Dupont in Charles Town. So > Carolina. and it is my Will that be fully, Clearly & Absolutely Discharged > of the Same. Also to my Grand Daughter Elizabeth Roberts I Give ... One > Gold Ring, and One Pair of Gold Sleeve Buttons . ... All the Residue, and > Remainder, of my Estate ... I Give. Devise, and Bequeath. unto my well > Beloved Son. Thomas Sheppard.6 whom I Do hereby Constitute and Appoint my > whole and Sole Executor ... this Thirteenth Day of March ... One Thousand > Seven Hundred and Seventy Two ... I Elizabeth her III Hand Sheppard / In > the Presence of Us > ... / s/ Francis Brown / s/ Michael Williamson / Personally appeared this > 14th ... September 1785 before me Thos Baker Register of Probates for > Liberty County ... State of Georgia Frances Brown ... duly sworn ... he > saw Elizabeth Shepard sign ... her last Will ... he also saw Michael > Williamson sign ... as witness ... / s/ Thomas Baker R. P. “ > > (the three dots are in the original to prevent text insertions) > > Note that in neither will are any other children mentioned or > acknowledged. If Abraham II was Elziabeth's child we would have expected > him to be mentioned in one or both wills. There is also evidence (land and > other records) that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died in St. > Bartholomew's parish. > > Now what about Abraham, the father of Abraham Ii. A Will was probated for > Abraham Roberts in the Georgetown district in 1762. Given that Elizabeth's > husband, Abraham Roberts died at least ten years earlier, this must be a > different Abraham Roberts. On March 20, 1762, letters of guardianship were > granted to Anthony Sweet and Martha his wife, "on Abraham Roberts, Infant > Child of Abraham Roberts late of Fredericks Parish, planter deceased." > > Anthony Sweet's grandson, William Charles Sweet (Margaret Mitchell's > grandfather) stated: > > My grandfather, Anthony Sweet (I) married a widow, Mrs. Roberts, whose > maiden name I never inquired. She possessed some property and it was the > basis on which my grandfather built his fortune. She was my grandmother > and it grieves me that I never inquired about her. She died when her five > children were quite small and my father was reared by a stepfather. > > A Sweet family tradition states that her maiden name was Avant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:57 PM, william wray wrote: > >> Hi Kikki, you are referring to elizabeth shepard , i think, and you are >> referring to a Hugh Tucker, if im not mistaken, he is a """know it >> all""""" and if u dont agree with him , u are dead wrong, i put him >> off my list of people to contact ....................... soon as my son >> in law comes up and gets my computer straightened out ill get u a list >> of what i have and we can complare, will that be ok ???? >> gary >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2192 / Virus Database: 2433/5108 - Release Date: 07/03/12 >

    07/03/2012 08:13:41
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS- was ABRAHAM ROBERTS--now also DNA, and roll call!
    2. Cyndi
    3. Hi Gary, Yes, that's right--my guys went into LA and then into TX (happy to share details if anyone wants them). I have info on my guys but not on yours. Would you share your downline in more detail so I can make sure I have it correctly in my database? Please tell me more about John (and the Robarts spelling! I knew about Roberts but not Robarts!) Would you share dates and wives and such please? When you say you are 1 generation off do you mean your grandfather was a Robert/Robarts? If so, do you know any cousins you could sponsor? It would be great to locate one and sponsor him--my own connection is several generations back and I've had no luck locating a DNA candidate... Cyndi in Baltimore -----Original Message----- From: william wray <camark_collector@yahoo.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 3, 2012 11:35 pm Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS- was ABRAHAM ROBERTS--now also DNA, and roll call! Hi Cindi, appears your line is the group that migrated into Miss. and on over into La very early 1800's i have lots of them in my data base .................. mine was thru John Robarts ((( rev war )) who changed it to Robarts and family later on moved into Liberty Co. Ga. then on into Fl and across alabama into arkansas after the Civil war .............. wud love to get into the dna project but im one generation off the Robarts line . gary ________________________________ From: Cyndi <pathoscafe@aol.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS- was ABRAHAM ROBERTS--now also DNA, and roll call! Hi all, So happy to see activity on this list! I've tried to find candidates for the DNA project for years now. Peter Roberts, the admin, said he thought he had one once but that person withdrew for some reason (after testing!). Sigh... What we need for the test is a male descendant still carrying the Robert/Roberts surname... can anyone help us find a candidate? I have connection to the Abraham line here so can't contribute to that part of the discussion. Please, tell us more about the John of Liberty Co, GA? Let's have a roll call, folks! Remind us of your direct Robert line... My own is Capt Pierre to son James m. Elizabeth, to dau Esther Susannah Robert (my ggggmother) m. Joseph Rutledge, to my Rutledge line which I'm happy to share if anyone is interested. Let's hear from you all! Cyndi in Baltimore your list admin -----Original Message----- From: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 3, 2012 11:09 pm Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS You are welcome. I just want genealogy to be a living pursuit rather than a set of assertions set in concrete by the internet. I always try to track down sources. It took me five years to track down the Ed Roberts articles as the source of most Abraham Roberts trees on the internet. When I actually read his articles I found that his clearly stated speculations got set in concrete on the internet. I do wish that some male line descendants (i.e. surnamed Robert, Roberts, Robarts) of the Rev. Pierre Robert would join the Roberts DNA project. This would require two or three separate lines (i.e. traced back to different Pierre Robert sons) to be truly useful. I have found that I have had to abandon many of the genealogies handed down in my family but what I found was even more interesting. I do wish that people would share early documents on this site relating to the Rev. Pierre Robert lines. I have tracked down about four generations of the John Robarts (Liberty County, GA) line. I am also trying to see if there is a connection to the Roberts that settled in Marengo County, Alabama. They came to Marengo from the Marion District. W. Hugh Tucker, Ph.D. > Thanks for all the info Hugh, I learned , albeit , the hard way, not to take everything that is published , as gospel fact ....................... case in question ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Anne Miller publication ,,,,,,, puttisng the Robert family into Abeyswerth Wales for several generations ............................. it just didnt happen that way . .. period > so , from that , i gather that the miller book may or may not contain some more """""""""""""""""""" family lore """"""""" passed down from great gran ma or grna pa ................ ive learned to check it out , for the truth . > > thanks > > william > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/03/2012 05:45:29
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS- was ABRAHAM ROBERTS--now also DNA, and roll call!
    2. Cyndi
    3. Hi all, So happy to see activity on this list! I've tried to find candidates for the DNA project for years now. Peter Roberts, the admin, said he thought he had one once but that person withdrew for some reason (after testing!). Sigh... What we need for the test is a male descendant still carrying the Robert/Roberts surname... can anyone help us find a candidate? I have connection to the Abraham line here so can't contribute to that part of the discussion. Please, tell us more about the John of Liberty Co, GA? Let's have a roll call, folks! Remind us of your direct Robert line... My own is Capt Pierre to son James m. Elizabeth, to dau Esther Susannah Robert (my ggggmother) m. Joseph Rutledge, to my Rutledge line which I'm happy to share if anyone is interested. Let's hear from you all! Cyndi in Baltimore your list admin -----Original Message----- From: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 3, 2012 11:09 pm Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS You are welcome. I just want genealogy to be a living pursuit rather than a set of assertions set in concrete by the internet. I always try to track down sources. It took me five years to track down the Ed Roberts articles as the source of most Abraham Roberts trees on the internet. When I actually read his articles I found that his clearly stated speculations got set in concrete on the internet. I do wish that some male line descendants (i.e. surnamed Robert, Roberts, Robarts) of the Rev. Pierre Robert would join the Roberts DNA project. This would require two or three separate lines (i.e. traced back to different Pierre Robert sons) to be truly useful. I have found that I have had to abandon many of the genealogies handed down in my family but what I found was even more interesting. I do wish that people would share early documents on this site relating to the Rev. Pierre Robert lines. I have tracked down about four generations of the John Robarts (Liberty County, GA) line. I am also trying to see if there is a connection to the Roberts that settled in Marengo County, Alabama. They came to Marengo from the Marion District. W. Hugh Tucker, Ph.D. > Thanks for all the info Hugh, I learned , albeit , the hard way, not to take everything that is published , as gospel fact ....................... case in question ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Anne Miller publication ,,,,,,, puttisng the Robert family into Abeyswerth Wales for several generations ............................. it just didnt happen that way . .. period > so , from that , i gather that the miller book may or may not contain some more """""""""""""""""""" family lore """"""""" passed down from great gran ma or grna pa ................ ive learned to check it out , for the truth . > > thanks > > william > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/03/2012 05:25:56
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. W Hugh Tucker
    3. You are welcome. I just want genealogy to be a living pursuit rather than a set of assertions set in concrete by the internet. I always try to track down sources. It took me five years to track down the Ed Roberts articles as the source of most Abraham Roberts trees on the internet. When I actually read his articles I found that his clearly stated speculations got set in concrete on the internet. I do wish that some male line descendants (i.e. surnamed Robert, Roberts, Robarts) of the Rev. Pierre Robert would join the Roberts DNA project. This would require two or three separate lines (i.e. traced back to different Pierre Robert sons) to be truly useful. I have found that I have had to abandon many of the genealogies handed down in my family but what I found was even more interesting. I do wish that people would share early documents on this site relating to the Rev. Pierre Robert lines. I have tracked down about four generations of the John Robarts (Liberty County, GA) line. I am also trying to see if there is a connection to the Roberts that settled in Marengo County, Alabama. They came to Marengo from the Marion District. W. Hugh Tucker, Ph.D. > Thanks for all the info Hugh, I learned , albeit , the hard way, not to take everything that is published , as gospel fact ....................... case in question ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Anne Miller publication ,,,,,,, puttisng the Robert family into Abeyswerth Wales for several generations ............................. it just didnt happen that way . .. period > so , from that , i gather that the miller book may or may not contain some more """""""""""""""""""" family lore """"""""" passed down from great gran ma or grna pa ................ ive learned to check it out , for the truth . > > thanks > > william > >

    07/03/2012 05:06:28
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. W Hugh Tucker
    3. I am sorry if I have stepped on some toes, but I do care about historical evidence. Genealogy is not an exact science but it does depend on historical record. As far as I have been able to determine the source of the assertion that Abraham II was the son of Abraham Roberts and Elizabeth Shepard was a series of two articles by Nathaniel Edward (Ed) Roberts in Transactions of the Huguenot Society of South Carolina, no. 77 & 78, 1972. These articles had some very good research but they also had a lot of speculation. on page 78 (vol. 77), Ed Roberts states : Abraham Robert ca. 1720 - ca 1757; " Abraham Roberts, I. (Abraham Robert), undoubtedly lef French Santee, South Carolina, rather than leaving France, as it is written in the Roberts Family History), for the Georgetown District, South Carolina.... In addition to Abraham, II, born in 1745, and several daughters (we think at least three) , there was an older son who was reported to have been born in 1740, named John ( later information shows John's birth to be 1742-43, in a copy of the Roberts-Lambright-Andrew Bible, marked very hard to read at the above date. >From the year of John's birth, I think it is safe to assume that Abraham Robert was born 1719-22 and married Elizabeth Shepard 1739-41." On page 79 "Actually very few items have shown up on Abraham Robert, I, ... now I can see why Annie E. Miller writes: " We know very little about him." This is what we know about Abraham Roberts and Elizabeth. Contrary to Ed Roberts speculations based on the Lambright Bible, we do not know Elizabeth's maiden name. The Shepard comes from her marriage to James Shepard about 1750 in St. Bartholomew's parish, Colleton County, SC. The date is based on the birth date of her son, Thomas Shepard on 9 Nov. 1752 (Shepard Family Bible). This means that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died no later than 1751, six years earlier that the date given by Ed Roberts. James Shepard's Will probated in 1759 names John Roberts as "his son-in-law" . In this case this means his son by marriage to his mother rather than the modern meaning. As John Roberts was not of legal age to be executor (as stated in the will, his mother and James Shepard's widow was named executrix. The only beneficiaries named are John Roberts and his son, Thomas Shepard. The entire will can be found in the archives of this discussion group. Elizabeth Shepards will probated in Liberty County, Georgia after her death in 1785: Her will was probated by Francis Brown in Liberty County, Georgia. "Liberty County, Georgia, Probate Court, Original will of Elizabeth Sheppard: "Georgia / In the Name of God Amen. I Elizabeth Sheppard of St. John's Parish and Province Aforesaid Widow ... First. I Give and Bequeath unto my Eldest Son Jo[torn] Roberts. His Bond (let it be what Sum it will) which he gave me for Two Negroe Winches: Named Sylvia and Judah: the Bond being at Present in the Hands of Mr Gideon Dupont in Charles Town. So Carolina. and it is my Will that be fully, Clearly & Absolutely Discharged of the Same. Also to my Grand Daughter Elizabeth Roberts I Give ... One Gold Ring, and One Pair of Gold Sleeve Buttons . ... All the Residue, and Remainder, of my Estate ... I Give. Devise, and Bequeath. unto my well Beloved Son. Thomas Sheppard.6 whom I Do hereby Constitute and Appoint my whole and Sole Executor ... this Thirteenth Day of March ... One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy Two ... I Elizabeth her III Hand Sheppard / In the Presence of Us ... / s/ Francis Brown! / s/ Michael Williamson / Personally appeared this 14th ... September 1785 before me Thos Baker Register of Probates for Liberty County ... State of Georgia Frances Brown ... duly sworn ... he saw Elizabeth Shepard sign ... her last Will ... he also saw Michael Williamson sign ... as witness ... / s/ Thomas Baker R. P. “ (the three dots are in the original to prevent text insertions) Note that in neither will are any other children mentioned or acknowledged. If Abraham II was Elziabeth's child we would have expected him to be mentioned in one or both wills. There is also evidence (land and other records) that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died in St. Bartholomew's parish. Now what about Abraham, the father of Abraham Ii. A Will was probated for Abraham Roberts in the Georgetown district in 1762. Given that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died at least ten years earlier, this must be a different Abraham Roberts. On March 20, 1762, letters of guardianship were granted to Anthony Sweet and Martha his wife, "on Abraham Roberts, Infant Child of Abraham Roberts late of Fredericks Parish, planter deceased." Anthony Sweet's grandson, William Charles Sweet (Margaret Mitchell's grandfather) stated: My grandfather, Anthony Sweet (I) married a widow, Mrs. Roberts, whose maiden name I never inquired. She possessed some property and it was the basis on which my grandfather built his fortune. She was my grandmother and it grieves me that I never inquired about her. She died when her five children were quite small and my father was reared by a stepfather. A Sweet family tradition states that her maiden name was Avant. On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:57 PM, william wray wrote: > Hi Kikki, you are referring to elizabeth shepard , i think, and you are referring to a Hugh Tucker, if im not mistaken, he is a """know it all""""" and if u dont agree with him , u are dead wrong, i put him off my list of people to contact ....................... soon as my son in law comes up and gets my computer straightened out ill get u a list of what i have and we can complare, will that be ok ???? > gary > >

    07/03/2012 03:39:36
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS- was ABRAHAM ROBERTS--now also DNA, and roll call!
    2. william wray
    3. Hi Cindi,   appears your line is  the    group that migrated into   Miss. and on over into La  very early  1800's    i have lots  of them in my data base ..................  mine was thru  John Robarts  (((  rev war ))  who  changed it to Robarts and  family later on moved into  Liberty Co.  Ga.   then on into  Fl and  across  alabama into  arkansas  after the  Civil  war ..............     wud love to  get into the   dna  project  but  im  one generation off the  Robarts line .  gary  ________________________________ From: Cyndi <pathoscafe@aol.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS- was ABRAHAM ROBERTS--now also DNA, and roll call! Hi all, So happy to see activity on this list! I've tried to find candidates for the DNA project for years now.  Peter Roberts, the admin, said he thought he had one once but that person withdrew for some reason (after testing!).  Sigh...  What we need for the test  is a male descendant still carrying the Robert/Roberts surname...  can anyone help us find a candidate? I have connection to the Abraham line here so can't contribute to that part of the discussion.  Please, tell us more about the John of Liberty Co, GA? Let's have a roll call, folks!  Remind us of your direct Robert line... My own is Capt Pierre to son James m. Elizabeth, to dau Esther Susannah Robert (my ggggmother) m. Joseph Rutledge, to my Rutledge line which I'm happy to share if anyone is interested. Let's hear from you all! Cyndi in Baltimore your list admin -----Original Message----- From: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 3, 2012 11:09 pm Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS You are welcome. I just want genealogy to be a living pursuit rather than a set of assertions set in concrete by the internet. I always try to track down sources. It took me five years to track down the Ed Roberts articles as the source of most Abraham Roberts trees on the internet. When I actually read his articles I found that his clearly stated speculations got set in concrete on the internet.  I do wish that some male line descendants (i.e. surnamed Robert, Roberts, Robarts) of the Rev. Pierre Robert would join the Roberts DNA project. This would require two or three separate lines (i.e. traced back to different Pierre Robert sons) to be truly useful. I have found that I have had to abandon many of the genealogies handed down in my family but what I found was even more interesting. I do wish that people would share early documents on this site relating to the Rev. Pierre Robert lines. I have tracked down about four generations of the John Robarts (Liberty County, GA) line. I am also trying to see if there is a connection to the Roberts that settled in Marengo County, Alabama. They came to Marengo from the Marion District. W. Hugh Tucker, Ph.D. > Thanks for all the info Hugh,    I learned , albeit , the hard way,  not  to take everything that is published , as  gospel fact .......................  case in question ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,  Anne Miller publication ,,,,,,,  puttisng the  Robert family into Abeyswerth  Wales for several generations .............................  it just didnt happen that way . ..  period > so , from that  ,  i gather that  the miller book  may or may not contain  some more    """""""""""""""""""" family lore """""""""  passed down from great gran ma  or grna pa ................  ive learned  to  check it out ,    for  the truth . > > thanks  > > william > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/03/2012 02:32:13
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. william wray
    3. I agree totally with your  thinking   Hugh,  I am from the  Rev Pierre  Robert line,   directly,   John   Robarts   changed it to  Robarts ,.     hes  documented in the  Rev  War ,  more if u are interested . and  the line did go into Liberty Couinty in  Ga ,  and on into   north Fl > (((    lake city ))   area  ..... tks, and  whats it take to become  a   DNA   member of  the Robert line ....???   william  ________________________________ From: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS You are welcome. I just want genealogy to be a living pursuit rather than a set of assertions set in concrete by the internet. I always try to track down sources. It took me five years to track down the Ed Roberts articles as the source of most Abraham Roberts trees on the internet. When I actually read his articles I found that his clearly stated speculations got set in concrete on the internet.  I do wish that some male line descendants (i.e. surnamed Robert, Roberts, Robarts) of the Rev. Pierre Robert would join the Roberts DNA project. This would require two or three separate lines (i.e. traced back to different Pierre Robert sons) to be truly useful. I have found that I have had to abandon many of the genealogies handed down in my family but what I found was even more interesting. I do wish that people would share early documents on this site relating to the Rev. Pierre Robert lines. I have tracked down about four generations of the John Robarts (Liberty County, GA) line. I am also trying to see if there is a connection to the Roberts that settled in Marengo County, Alabama. They came to Marengo from the Marion District. W. Hugh Tucker, Ph.D. > Thanks for all the info Hugh,    I learned , albeit , the hard way,  not  to take everything that is published , as  gospel fact .......................  case in question ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,  Anne Miller publication ,,,,,,,  puttisng the  Robert family into Abeyswerth  Wales for several generations .............................  it just didnt happen that way . ..  period > so , from that  ,  i gather that  the miller book  may or may not contain  some more    """""""""""""""""""" family lore """""""""  passed down from great gran ma  or grna pa ................  ive learned  to  check it out ,    for  the truth . > > thanks  > > william > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/03/2012 02:16:57
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. william wray
    3. Thanks for all the info Hugh,    I learned , albeit , the hard way,   not  to take everything that is published , as  gospel fact .......................  case in question ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,  Anne Miller publication ,,,,,,,  puttisng the  Robert family into Abeyswerth   Wales for several generations .............................   it just didnt happen that way . ..  period  so , from that   ,  i gather that  the miller book  may or may not contain  some more    """""""""""""""""""" family lore """""""""  passed down from great gran ma  or grna pa ................   ive learned  to  check it out ,    for  the truth . thanks   william  ________________________________ From: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS I am sorry if I have stepped on some toes, but I do care about historical evidence. Genealogy is not an exact science but it does depend on historical record. As far as I have been able to determine the source of the assertion that Abraham II was the son of Abraham Roberts  and Elizabeth Shepard was a series of two articles by Nathaniel Edward (Ed) Roberts in Transactions of the Huguenot Society of South Carolina, no. 77 & 78, 1972.  These articles had some very good research but they also had a lot of speculation. on page 78 (vol. 77), Ed Roberts states : Abraham Robert ca. 1720 - ca 1757; " Abraham Roberts, I. (Abraham Robert), undoubtedly lef French Santee, South Carolina, rather than leaving France, as it is written in the Roberts Family History), for the Georgetown District, South Carolina.... In addition to Abraham, II, born in 1745, and several daughters (we think at least three) , there was an older son who was reported to have been born in 1740, named John ( later information shows John's birth to be 1742-43, in a copy of the Roberts-Lambright-Andrew Bible, marked very hard to read at the above date. >From the year of John's birth, I think it is safe to assume that Abraham Robert was born 1719-22 and married Elizabeth Shepard 1739-41." On page 79 "Actually very few items have shown up on Abraham Robert, I, ... now I can see why Annie E. Miller writes: " We know very little about him." This is what we know about Abraham Roberts and Elizabeth. Contrary to Ed Roberts speculations based on the Lambright Bible, we do not know Elizabeth's maiden name. The Shepard comes from her marriage to James Shepard about 1750 in St. Bartholomew's parish, Colleton County, SC.  The date is based on the birth date of her son, Thomas Shepard on 9 Nov. 1752 (Shepard Family Bible).  This means that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died no later than 1751, six years earlier that the date given by Ed Roberts. James Shepard's Will probated in 1759 names John Roberts as "his son-in-law" . In this case this means his son by marriage to his mother rather than the modern meaning. As John Roberts was not of legal age to be executor (as stated in the will, his mother and James Shepard's widow was named executrix. The only beneficiaries named are John Roberts and his son, Thomas Shepard. The entire will can be found in the archives of this discussion group. Elizabeth Shepards will probated in Liberty County, Georgia after her death in 1785: Her will was probated by Francis Brown in Liberty County, Georgia. "Liberty County, Georgia, Probate Court, Original will of Elizabeth Sheppard: "Georgia / In the Name of God Amen. I Elizabeth Sheppard of St. John's Parish and Province Aforesaid Widow ... First. I Give and Bequeath unto my Eldest Son Jo[torn] Roberts. His Bond (let it be what Sum it will) which he gave me for Two Negroe Winches: Named Sylvia and Judah: the Bond being at Present in the Hands of Mr Gideon Dupont in Charles Town. So Carolina. and it is my Will that be fully, Clearly & Absolutely Discharged of the Same. Also to my Grand Daughter Elizabeth Roberts I Give ... One Gold Ring, and One Pair of Gold Sleeve Buttons . ... All the Residue, and Remainder, of my Estate ... I Give. Devise, and Bequeath. unto my well Beloved Son. Thomas Sheppard.6 whom I Do hereby Constitute and Appoint my whole and Sole Executor ... this Thirteenth Day of March ... One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy Two ... I Elizabeth her III Hand Sheppard / In the Presence of Us ... / s/ Francis Brown / s/ Michael Williamson / Personally appeared this 14th ... September 1785 before me Thos Baker Register of Probates for Liberty County ... State of Georgia Frances Brown ... duly sworn ... he saw Elizabeth Shepard sign ... her last Will ... he also saw Michael Williamson sign ... as witness ... / s/ Thomas Baker R. P. “ (the three dots are in the original to prevent text insertions) Note that in neither will are any other children mentioned or acknowledged. If Abraham II was Elziabeth's child we would have expected him to be mentioned in one or both wills. There is also evidence (land and other records) that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died in St. Bartholomew's parish. Now what about Abraham, the father of Abraham Ii. A Will was probated for Abraham Roberts in the Georgetown district in 1762. Given that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died at least ten years earlier, this must be a different Abraham Roberts. On March 20, 1762, letters of guardianship were granted to Anthony Sweet and Martha his wife, "on Abraham Roberts, Infant Child of Abraham Roberts late of Fredericks Parish, planter deceased." Anthony Sweet's grandson, William Charles Sweet (Margaret Mitchell's grandfather) stated: My grandfather, Anthony Sweet (I) married a widow, Mrs. Roberts, whose maiden name I never inquired. She possessed some property and it was the basis on which my grandfather built his fortune.  She was my grandmother and it grieves me that I never inquired about her. She died when her five children were quite small and my father was reared by a stepfather. A Sweet family tradition states that her maiden name was Avant. On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:57 PM, william wray wrote: > Hi Kikki,  you are referring to elizabeth shepard ,  i think, and  you are  referring to a  Hugh Tucker,  if  im not mistaken,    he is  a  """know it all"""""  and if u dont agree with him  , u are  dead wrong,    i put him off my  list of  people to contact .......................  soon as  my  son in law comes up and  gets my computer  straightened out ill get u  a  list of  what i have and we can complare,    will that be ok ????  > gary > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/03/2012 01:01:13
    1. [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. Kikki White
    3. I just wanted to state that I was incorrect about the madien name of ELizabeth wife of Abraham I. I thank the person whom contacted me to inform me of my mistake. It is so nice to have those people contact me and help me in my research. I just hope that others will not be judgemental as we are all trying to contact with one another for information. God Bless K.White

    07/03/2012 12:05:45
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. william wray
    3. Hi Kikki,   you are referring to elizabeth shepard ,  i think, and  you are  referring to a   Hugh Tucker,  if   im not mistaken,    he is  a   """know it all"""""   and if u dont agree with him  , u are   dead wrong,     i put him off my  list of  people to contact .......................   soon as  my  son in law comes up and   gets my computer  straightened out ill  get u  a  list of   what i have and we can complare,    will that be ok ????   gary  ________________________________ From: Kikki White <mykikki@hotmail.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS I just wanted to state that I was incorrect about the madien name of ELizabeth wife of Abraham I. I thank the person whom contacted me to inform me of my mistake. It is so nice to have those people contact me and help me in my research. I just hope that others will not be judgemental as we are all trying to contact with one another for information. God Bless K.White                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/03/2012 10:57:28
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Information for Rev Pierre Robear (Roberts)Family tree
    2. W Hugh Tucker
    3. You have the wrong mother for Abraham II. I have documented that there were two Abraham Roberts at this time. One was Abraham Roberts married to Elizabeth father of John Roberts/Robarts that went to Liberty County, Georgia. This Abraham Roberts died in St. Bartholomew Parish, Colleton County prior to 1752. His widow, Elizabeth, married James Shepard, a blacksmith in St. Bartholomews Parish and had a son, Thomas Shepard, in 1752. The second Abraham (your ancestor) married Martha (probable Avant) and died in 1759 in St. James Santee. His widow married Anthony Sweet. There is a registered will for this Abraham Roberts and Anthony Sweet recognized Abraham II as his "son-in-law" (i.e. by marriage) and his grandson speaks of the marriage in a short family history he wrote (available on request.) I have a copy of the Huguenot Society Transactions that "came to the conclusion that there was only one Abraham." He did not have the benefit of either the Sweet statement, James Shepard's will, or the Shepard family Bible which gives the exact date of Thomas Shepard's birth. He states quite clearly that his conclusions were speculation in the two articles on Jean Robert's descendants. W. Hugh Tucker On Jul 2, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Kikki White wrote: > > > > I have information for those that are looking for lost links to the family tree. If interested contact me for more. I have listed the basic family tree here . Jean (John) Robear changed his name by adding a S to Robert. His Son Abraham Isaac family went to Amite County Miss. where the Roberts Cemetery is located. Which I recently returned from. I also have information directly from the Huguenot Society that was posted many years ago giving all the information of the Rev. Pierre family .But there is too much to post here which includes all of the children, spouses, births, deaths , personal information etc. > > Kikki ( Kathryn White > > . > > > > > Robert Calvin Roberts ( my grandfather) > > John Franklin Roberts (His Father) Laura Amelia Roberts (wife) > > Robert Middleton Roberts (His father) Lovvie Roberts (Wife) > > Abraham Roberts II (His father) Desire Roberts (wife) > > Abraham Roberts I (His Father) Eizabeth Roberts (wife) > > Jean John Robert (.Robear)..(His Father) Elizabeth Margaret (Wife) > > Rev. Pierre Robear.(Roberts).. (His Father) Jeanne Robear (Wife) > > Daniel Robear ( His Father) Marie Robear (Wife) > > Pierre Robear (His Father) Judith Robear (Wife) > > Daniel Robear His FAther ) Marie Robear (Wife) > > Guillaume Robear ( His Father) ????? (Wife) > > Humbert Robear ( His Father ) Jeannett Dumont Robear (Wife) > > Jehan Roberts (His Father) ????? (Wife) > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/02/2012 01:36:07
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Information for Rev Pierre Robear (Roberts)Family tree
    2. william wray
    3. perhaps  ,    just perhaps ,      ________________________________ From: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Information for Rev Pierre Robear (Roberts)Family tree You have the wrong mother for Abraham II. I have documented that there were two Abraham Roberts at this time. One was Abraham Roberts married to Elizabeth father of John Roberts/Robarts that went to Liberty County, Georgia. This Abraham Roberts died in St. Bartholomew Parish, Colleton County prior to 1752. His widow, Elizabeth, married James Shepard, a blacksmith in St. Bartholomews Parish and had a son, Thomas Shepard, in 1752. The second Abraham (your ancestor) married Martha (probable Avant) and died in 1759 in St. James Santee. His widow married Anthony Sweet. There is a registered will for this Abraham Roberts and Anthony Sweet recognized Abraham II as his "son-in-law" (i.e. by marriage) and his grandson speaks of the marriage in a short family history he wrote (available on request.) I have a copy of the Huguenot Society Transactions that "came to the conclusion that there was only one Abraham." He did not have the benefit of either the Sweet statement, James Shepard's will, or the Shepard family Bible which gives the exact date of Thomas Shepard's birth. He states quite clearly that his conclusions were speculation in the two articles on Jean Robert's descendants. W. Hugh Tucker On Jul 2, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Kikki White wrote: > > > > I have information for those that are looking for lost links to the family tree. If interested contact me for more. I have listed the basic family tree here . Jean (John) Robear changed his name by adding a S to  Robert.  His Son Abraham  Isaac family went to Amite County Miss. where the Roberts Cemetery is located. Which I recently returned from. I also have information directly from the Huguenot  Society that was posted many years ago  giving all the information of the Rev. Pierre family .But there is too much to post here which includes all of the children, spouses, births, deaths , personal information etc. > > Kikki ( Kathryn White > > . > > > > > Robert Calvin Roberts ( my grandfather) > > John Franklin Roberts  (His Father)    Laura Amelia Roberts (wife) > > Robert Middleton  Roberts (His father)  Lovvie Roberts (Wife) > > Abraham Roberts II    (His father)  Desire Roberts (wife) > > Abraham Roberts I    (His Father)    Eizabeth Roberts (wife) > > Jean John Robert (.Robear)..(His Father)  Elizabeth Margaret  (Wife) > > Rev. Pierre Robear.(Roberts).. (His Father)  Jeanne Robear  (Wife) > > Daniel Robear ( His Father)      Marie Robear  (Wife) > > Pierre Robear  (His Father)    Judith Robear  (Wife) > > Daniel Robear  His FAther )    Marie Robear  (Wife) > > Guillaume Robear ( His Father)      ????? (Wife) > > Humbert Robear  ( His Father )    Jeannett Dumont Robear (Wife) > > Jehan Roberts (His Father)        ????? (Wife) > > > > > > > --  > > > > > > > >                         > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/02/2012 12:16:23
    1. [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Information for Rev Pierre Robear (Roberts)Family tree
    2. Kikki White
    3. I have information for those that are looking for lost links to the family tree. If interested contact me for more. I have listed the basic family tree here . Jean (John) Robear changed his name by adding a S to Robert. His Son Abraham Isaac family went to Amite County Miss. where the Roberts Cemetery is located. Which I recently returned from. I also have information directly from the Huguenot Society that was posted many years ago giving all the information of the Rev. Pierre family .But there is too much to post here which includes all of the children, spouses, births, deaths , personal information etc. Kikki ( Kathryn White . Robert Calvin Roberts ( my grandfather) John Franklin Roberts (His Father) Laura Amelia Roberts (wife) Robert Middleton Roberts (His father) Lovvie Roberts (Wife) Abraham Roberts II (His father) Desire Roberts (wife) Abraham Roberts I (His Father) Eizabeth Roberts (wife) Jean John Robert (.Robear)..(His Father) Elizabeth Margaret (Wife) Rev. Pierre Robear.(Roberts).. (His Father) Jeanne Robear (Wife) Daniel Robear ( His Father) Marie Robear (Wife) Pierre Robear (His Father) Judith Robear (Wife) Daniel Robear His FAther ) Marie Robear (Wife) Guillaume Robear ( His Father) ????? (Wife) Humbert Robear ( His Father ) Jeannett Dumont Robear (Wife) Jehan Roberts (His Father) ????? (Wife) --

    07/01/2012 06:52:25
    1. [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Rev. Pierre Robear (Roberts) family tree
    2. Kikki White
    3. Anyone wanting information of Rev.Pierre Robear (Roberts) family please contact me. I have all the information of his son Jean (John) Roberts family and all of his children and grandchildren etc. I also have all the Births and deaths and personal information of Rev.Pierre Robear family reaching back to 1444. Robert Calvin Roberts ( my grandfather) John Franklin Roberts (His Father) Laura Amelia Roberts (wife) Robert Middleton Roberts (His father) Lovvie Roberts (Wife) Abraham Roberts Ii (His father) Desire Roberts (wife) Abraham Roberts I (His Father) Eizabeth Roberts (wife) Jean John Robert (.Robear)..(His Father) Elizabeth Margaret (Wife) Rev. Pierre Robear.(Roberts).. (His Father) Jeanne Robear (Wife) Daniel Robear ( His Father) Marie Robear (Wife) Pierre Robear (His Father) Judith Robear (Wife) Daniel Robear His FAther ) Marie Robear (Wife) Guillaume Robear ( His Father) ????? (Wife) Humbert Robear ( His Father ) Jeannett Dumont Robear (Wife) Jehan Roberts (His Father) ????? (Wife) .

    07/01/2012 06:09:20
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Rev. Pierre Robert, my ancestor
    2. BeverlyGailHarris
    3. Hello, Gregory! am cc'ing some others that have more info on your ancestor, Rev. Pierre ROBERT... hopefully, someone will contact you with some ideas and/or clues for you... good luck! gail harris Gregory Robert Hodges has replied to your message on the Louisiana Genealogy Forum: http://genforum.genealogy.com/la/messages/18217.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Hodges" <hodges@thehighroad.com> To: "Beverly Gail Harris" <peaches@strato.net> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:58 PM Subject: Rev. Pierre Robert, my ancestor Found your name on Genealogy.com. Hope you might help me find information about Pierre Robert's coat of arms and possibly an image of it. Here's the message I just posted (my first posting). I'm looking for information about Reverend Pierre Robert of St. Imier, Switzerland, who was an ancestor of my great-grandmother Eliza ("Elise") Jackson of Louisiana and a coat-of-arms that bears the name Pierre Robert and a Welsh motto -- Calon wrath Colon Dow a Digon. I have reason to believe the motto was misspelled or miscopied at some point, and that the correct spelling may be Calon wrth Galon Duw a Digon (meaning "Heart to Heart God is Enough" or something close to that. I'm trying to figure out the origins of the coat of arms and whether it is legitimate, as well as why it would bear a Welsh motto if there was not some family connection to Wales. Can you or anyone provide more information, or an image of a Pierre Robert coat of arms passed down in your family. Especially interested in ancestors of Rev. Pierre Robert. My research shows he came to South Carolina in 1686 as a Huguenot minister fleeing persecution in France and/or Switzerland and that he helped found a settlement on the Santee River 60 miles above what was then known as Charles Town. The settlement was known as French Santee as opposed to another nearby known as English Santee. If you can provide any information, that would be wonderful.Best regards, Gregory Robert Hodges Hodges & Associates The Dr. Pepper Building, Suite 300 2829 Second Avenue South Birmingham, AL 35233 205-328-4357 205-328-4366 fax 205-746-9554 cell hodges@thehighroad.com

    01/27/2012 07:23:06