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    1. [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] offload
    2. Kikki White
    3. nice http://www.weber-bus.com/charitycouplechristophercampbel/ Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:57:27 back a pink god. Did any of you go to Dearsley afther my time was up? He

    02/25/2013 06:57:26
    1. [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] vadersoccer
    2. Kikki White
    3. Dear Colleague, http://e-learning.ruksadindan.com/eastbordergrahammurray/ ‘they call me Mr Odwin there, you know. They don’t quite know who Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:14:13

    02/10/2013 04:14:13
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] DNA sale! Our chance to sort out our Robert tree!!
    2. Cyndi
    3. Hi all, Please save your pennies for late November when there is usually a sale for new member testing... I do recommend 67 markers, but if that is too expensive, you can do it in increments... I'll let you know when I hear about the sale! This is exciting! Cyndi in Baltimore -----Original Message----- From: chris roberts <steprous@yahoo.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 7:15 am Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] DNA sale! Our chance to sort out our Robert tree!! I'm a male descendant ________________________________ From: "deangrossm@aol.com" <deangrossm@aol.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] DNA sale! Our chance to sort out our Robert tree!! I think we in our group of Abraham III of Amite County, MS descendants have someone we can sponsor. How would we go about ordering a kit? And, it's the Y-DNA 67 kit that you recommend? We might wait for the Christmas sale so that we don't feel pressured to get our funds together this week. If our representative has had malaria, is that a problem for the results? Thanks! Kristen Dean-Grossmann -----Original Message----- From: Cyndi <pathoscafe@aol.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 5:49 am Subject: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] DNA sale! Our chance to sort out our Robert tree!! i folks, We have been talking recently about defining our Robert/Roberts/Robarts family ines and I have good news! FamilyTreeDNA has just announced their summer sale or DNA testing. It's only good for a week but for anyone who has thought about esting, this is the time to buy a kit (you can store it if you need to work on inding an appropriate candidate)! The appropriate candidate is male and still carrying the surname (sorry, that's ow Y-DNA works! we women can sponsor someone and manage the results, but we on't have Y-DNA). I highly recommend 67 markers--since this is a family study nd all of our results will be similar--but one good thing about FTDNA is that hey will store your DNA sample so you can start at a lower number of markers nd add on when you can afford it (ie, the next sale which is usually around hristmas-time). I suggest we all get busy and find our candidate, then talk to family members to hare in the funding. After all, when "Uncle Leo" is tested, his Robert results re true for everyone in the family! I'd really like to see descendants from ach of Rev Pierre's sons tested--tho I'm not sure each has a male Robert/s escendent... The test is a simple cheek swab (no blood) and they send you everything you eed. If you test, please provide your direct line to your earliest proven obert ancestors... Prices on new kits as follows: NEW KITS urrent Group Price ALE PRICE Y-DNA 12 99 59 Y-DNA 37 149 129 Y-DNA 67 239 199 Family Finder 289 199 mtFullSequence (FMS) 299 219 FF+ Y-DNA 37 438 328 FF + mtDNAPlus 438 328 Comprehensive (FF + FMS + Y-DNA 67) 797 617 SuperDNA 518 428 his is a golden opportunity--let's see what we can learn! Cyndi in Baltimore ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/17/2012 04:19:33
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] DNA sale! Our chance to sort out our Robert tree!!
    2. chris roberts
    3. I'm a male descendant ________________________________ From: "deangrossm@aol.com" <deangrossm@aol.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] DNA sale! Our chance to sort out our Robert tree!! I think we in our group of Abraham III of Amite County, MS descendants have someone we can sponsor.  How would we go about ordering a kit?  And, it's the Y-DNA 67 kit that you recommend?  We might wait for the Christmas sale so that we don't feel pressured to get our funds together this week.  If our representative has had malaria, is that a problem for the results? Thanks! Kristen Dean-Grossmann -----Original Message----- From: Cyndi <pathoscafe@aol.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 5:49 am Subject: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] DNA sale! Our chance to sort out our Robert tree!! i folks, We have been talking recently about defining our Robert/Roberts/Robarts family ines and I have good news!  FamilyTreeDNA has just announced their summer sale or DNA testing.  It's only good for a week but for anyone who has thought about esting, this is the time to buy a kit (you can store it if you need to work on inding an appropriate candidate)! The appropriate candidate is male and still carrying the surname (sorry, that's ow Y-DNA works!  we women can sponsor someone and manage the results, but we on't have Y-DNA).  I highly recommend 67 markers--since this is a family study nd all of our results will be similar--but one good thing about FTDNA is that hey will store your DNA sample so you can start at a lower number of markers nd add on when you can afford it (ie, the next sale which is usually around hristmas-time).  I suggest we all get busy and find our candidate, then talk to family members to hare in the funding.  After all, when "Uncle Leo" is tested, his Robert results re true for everyone in the family!  I'd really like to see descendants from ach of Rev Pierre's sons tested--tho I'm not sure each has a male Robert/s escendent... The test is a simple cheek swab (no blood) and they send you everything you eed.  If you test, please provide your direct line to your earliest proven obert ancestors... Prices on new kits as follows: NEW KITS urrent Group Price ALE PRICE Y-DNA 12 99 59 Y-DNA 37 149 129 Y-DNA 67 239 199 Family Finder 289 199 mtFullSequence (FMS) 299 219 FF+ Y-DNA 37 438 328 FF + mtDNAPlus 438 328 Comprehensive (FF + FMS + Y-DNA 67) 797 617 SuperDNA 518 428 his is a golden opportunity--let's see what we can learn! Cyndi in Baltimore ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/13/2012 10:14:44
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. I looked again at the letter from which I copied the story of Abraham and the trunk, and it was dated August 22, 1955, but the family story is older than that. The sender of the letter was Mrs. H.B. Tate, Sr. of Baton Rouge, daughter of Amazon (Ammie) Roberts Williams, youngest child of James Dixon Roberts and Elizabeth Foreman Roberts, and Mrs. Tate explained that the page on which the story was typed was a "true copy of an old paper." What do you all make of this? Kristen

    07/15/2012 03:52:55
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. Sandra Harn
    3. I am looking for the parents of Synthesis(Cynthia) Roberts b. 1775 in Marion Co. SC. She married Charles Miller b. 1765 of SC, They were married around 1800 and moved to Emanuel Co Ga. Where he acquired land and had children: John, William, James, Robert and others all the boys had the middle name Roberts. Any help with this family would be appreciated. Sandie Harn -----Original Message----- From: robert-rev-pierre-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:robert-rev-pierre-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of deangrossm@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:00 PM To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com; camark_collector@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS Here's what I found in an old family paper regarding Abraham I, father of Abraham II who migrated to Mississippi: "Abraham Roberts emigrated from France to Marion District, South Carolina. He was the youngest son. His family wished him to marry his cousin. He didn't love her and when he learned that she loved another, he decided to go to America, then she would be free to marry her lover. Abraham's parents were wealthy. The oldest son inherited the property. They gave Abraham a large amount of gold, which he brought to America in a brown leather, iron-bound trunk This same trunk was given the youngest Roberts son through the years. Howard Roberts, son of Thomas Griffin and Amanda Anders Roberts rightfully owned the trunk at his death. Abraham married in Marion District, South Carolina. He had several daughters and one son, named for the father, Abraham II. Abraham II was born about the year 1745. In 1770 Abraham the second married Miss Desire Rogers. They had eight children who lived to be grown, four sons and four daughters. Their oldest son was named David; second child was Sarah; third child, Abraham III; fourth, Mariah; fifth, Hannah; sixth, Robert; seventh, Joab; and the eighth, Katherine. In 1807 Abraham II with all the children moved from South Carolina to what is now Claiborn County, Mississippi." Does this story ring a bell with anyone else? Kristen Dean-Grossmann -----Original Message----- From: J. L. Sibley Jennings, Jr. <jlsj@dmv.com> To: william wray <camark_collector@yahoo.com>; robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 1:16 am Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS Folks, I'm becoming a little perturbed at some of the unnecessarily snarky omments. At the risk of launching into my own snarkidom, I ask you olitely to give great credit, where credit is indeed due, to cousin Annie iller and her remarkable book "Our Family Circle". It is, in fact, ncredibly accurate considering the tens of thousands of people she had to rack down without benefit of telephone, computers or the internet, to ompile the monumental work that she produced. What errors there are in it are not of her making, but rather the errors of ther family members who sent her what they knew, or thought they knew, at he time. You have to consider that between the late 17th and early 18th enturies to today we have had a major revolution, a civil war, homes urned, letters and bibles lost or destroyed, courthouses and churches urned or destroyed by war, accidents, or the elements (hurricanes) taking heir records with them so that we are lucky to have any deeds, wills or ther documentation at all. The very fact that cousin Annie Miller was able o compile the records she did is nothing short of astonishing. I suggest hat, even with today's technology, it is altogether doubtful that any of ou could achieve anything similar to the achievement of that little entlelady. Having said that, I suggest that all of you should have at your fingers, as do, two copies of cousin Annie's book: 1) a copy of the original 1931 ublication, and, 2) a copy of the 1987 annotated version, a "xerox" ardback of the same book with handwritten notations and corrections that as published by our cousins, the "Lawton and Allied Families Association" eadquartered on Hilton Head Island. IF cousin Annie had not produced her ook, and distributed it liberally among all of our family lines, there ould be no source for the thousands of lines of descent to correct and nnotate for future generations. As scholarship progresses, and as more ocuments are uncovered, it might be possible to produce an even more ccurate picture of our ancestors -- but, none of it would have happened ithout cousin Annie!!! Both Landgrave Thomas Smith, Royal Governor of SC and founder of Charleston today's "Battery" was the side lot to his mansion house) and Pierre Robert ere my 8x-great-grandfathers. There is not a single error in Annie's ntire book from TS & PR to me (actually, my father; I was not yet born at he time of her publication). Perhaps that was because we still had Bibles, ills, deeds and letters, along with other artifacts, from the time of their rrival in 17th c. SC that we were able to supply cousin Annie. I have no oubt that others had a more difficult time. One of the bankers living ehind me here in Macon, Georgia, a gentleman named Johnson, was from ouisiana; he was descended from Pierre Robert as I am. We had known each ther for twenty years before we discovered we were cousins. And that was nly because he spotted one of my copies of her book in my library! "Our Family Circle" is one of the "Bibles" for the First Families of South arolina, an organization in which both I and my father (now deceased) are ife members. They meet annually in Charleston. If you want to really do omething about a Robert DNA project, that organization is where you should tart. At the last meeting my father attended it was estimated that he had iving, at that time, some 80,000 cousins in SC alone. And a goodly ercentage of them were Robert. If you are not willing to wait until next Spring's annual meeting to round p more Robert male descent guinea pigs, then call Atlanta and ask for obert & Co. They are, or were, one of the nation's biggest engineering and rchitectural companies. When I was at Georgia Tech many years ago, I was iven to understand that "Chip" Robert's company had some 2,000 professional mployees. I knew Chip. I never asked him that was so, but suffice to say t's a big company. Lawrence Wood Robert, Jr. ("Chip"), was president of the company; he was lso, I think, treasurer of the Democratic Party under FDR and Truman, and as responsible for the East Front extension of the U.S. Capitol as well as he design and construction of the Rayburn House (of Representatives) Office uilding to the south of the Capitol. Chip was a member of the Atlanta power lite; many of the other prominent Atlantans with whom he dealt were also is Robert and Smith cousins but with varying surnames via marriage over the enturies. Chip had a son, L. W. Robert, III, born in 1912 [OFC, pg 279]; Chip, Jr." had two sons: L. W. Robert, IV, and David L. Robert. There is a easonably good chance that they are alive and living in Atlanta, perhaps till working at the offices of Robert & Co. Google "Chip" Robert and Robert & Co. Otherwise, grab a copy of cousin nnie Miller's book and look up all of the male Robert surnamed born between 900 and 1931 and get on the internet to see if they, or their children / ranchildren, are still living in the community she had listed. If I can be of further help, feel free to contact me at my Macon, Georgia, esidence where I am at the moment. The email address with this missive is y Maryland address. Use a different one to contact me in Georgia: lsj2@att.net My Macon telephone number is (478) 742-5438. Macon is overrun with Robert kin!!! Regards. J. L. Sibley Jennings, Jr. P.S.: my father's birth in 1920 is recorded in cousin Annie's book [pg 454], nd on page 452 is a ca. 1910 photo of my great-grandparents in their adillac drop-top touring car with four of the ten kids sitting on the onnet, four ladies lounging in the rear, and the two oldest boys, then at niversity, hunkered down on the running board. I have the original photo hat cousin Annie reproduced in the book. So, be gentlemanly or ladylike hen you breathe cousin Annie's name, and please give her credit where redit is seriously due. Thanks. JLSJ. ----- Original Message ----- rom: "william wray" <camark_collector@yahoo.com> o: <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> ent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:01 PM ubject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS Thanks for all the info Hugh, I learned , albeit , the hard way, not to take everything that is published , as gospel fact ....................... case in question ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Anne Miller publication ,,,,,,, puttisng the Robert family into Abeyswerth Wales for several generations ............................. it just didnt happen that way . .. period so , from that , i gather that the miller book may or may not contain some more """""""""""""""""""" family lore """"""""" passed down from great gran ma or grna pa ................ ive learned to check it out , for the truth . thanks william ________________________________ From: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS I am sorry if I have stepped on some toes, but I do care about historical evidence. Genealogy is not an exact science but it does depend on historical record. As far as I have been able to determine the source of the assertion that Abraham II was the son of Abraham Roberts and Elizabeth Shepard was a series of two articles by Nathaniel Edward (Ed) Roberts in Transactions of the Huguenot Society of South Carolina, no. 77 & 78, 1972. These articles had some very good research but they also had a lot of speculation. on page 78 (vol. 77), Ed Roberts states : Abraham Robert ca. 1720 - ca 1757; " Abraham Roberts, I. (Abraham Robert), undoubtedly lef French Santee, South Carolina, rather than leaving France, as it is written in the Roberts Family History), for the Georgetown District, South Carolina.... In addition to Abraham, II, born in 1745, and several daughters (we think at least three) , there was an older son who was reported to have been born in 1740, named John ( later information shows John's birth to be 1742-43, in a copy of the Roberts-Lambright-Andrew Bible, marked very hard to read at the above date. >From the year of John's birth, I think it is safe to assume that >Abraham Robert was born 1719-22 and married Elizabeth Shepard 1739-41." On page 79 "Actually very few items have shown up on Abraham Robert, I, ... now I can see why Annie E. Miller writes: " We know very little about him." This is what we know about Abraham Roberts and Elizabeth. Contrary to Ed Roberts speculations based on the Lambright Bible, we do not know Elizabeth's maiden name. The Shepard comes from her marriage to James Shepard about 1750 in St. Bartholomew's parish, Colleton County, SC. The date is based on the birth date of her son, Thomas Shepard on 9 Nov. 1752 (Shepard Family Bible). This means that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died no later than 1751, six years earlier that the date given by Ed Roberts. James Shepard's Will probated in 1759 names John Roberts as "his son-in-law" . In this case this means his son by marriage to his mother rather than the modern meaning. As John Roberts was not of legal age to be executor (as stated in the will, his mother and James Shepard's widow was named executrix. The only beneficiaries named are John Roberts and his son, Thomas Shepard. The entire will can be found in the archives of this discussion group. Elizabeth Shepards will probated in Liberty County, Georgia after her death in 1785: Her will was probated by Francis Brown in Liberty County, Georgia. "Liberty County, Georgia, Probate Court, Original will of Elizabeth Sheppard: "Georgia / In the Name of God Amen. I Elizabeth Sheppard of St. John's Parish and Province Aforesaid Widow ... First. I Give and Bequeath unto my Eldest Son Jo[torn] Roberts. His Bond (let it be what Sum it will) which he gave me for Two Negroe Winches: Named Sylvia and Judah: the Bond being at Present in the Hands of Mr Gideon Dupont in Charles Town. So Carolina. and it is my Will that be fully, Clearly & Absolutely Discharged of the Same. Also to my Grand Daughter Elizabeth Roberts I Give ... One Gold Ring, and One Pair of Gold Sleeve Buttons . ... All the Residue, and Remainder, of my Estate ... I Give. Devise, and Bequeath. unto my well Beloved Son. Thomas Sheppard.6 whom I Do hereby Constitute and Appoint my whole and Sole Executor ... this Thirteenth Day of March ... One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy Two ... I Elizabeth her III Hand Sheppard / In the Presence of Us ... / s/ Francis Brown / s/ Michael Williamson / Personally appeared this 14th ... September 1785 before me Thos Baker Register of Probates for Liber! ty County ... State of Georgia Frances Brown ... duly sworn ... he saw Elizabeth Shepard sign ... her last Will ... he also saw Michael Williamson sign ... as witness ... / s/ Thomas Baker R. P. “ (the three dots are in the original to prevent text insertions) Note that in neither will are any other children mentioned or acknowledged. If Abraham II was Elziabeth's child we would have expected him to be mentioned in one or both wills. There is also evidence (land and other records) that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died in St. Bartholomew's parish. Now what about Abraham, the father of Abraham Ii. A Will was probated for Abraham Roberts in the Georgetown district in 1762. Given that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died at least ten years earlier, this must be a different Abraham Roberts. On March 20, 1762, letters of guardianship were granted to Anthony Sweet and Martha his wife, "on Abraham Roberts, Infant Child of Abraham Roberts late of Fredericks Parish, planter deceased." Anthony Sweet's grandson, William Charles Sweet (Margaret Mitchell's grandfather) stated: My grandfather, Anthony Sweet (I) married a widow, Mrs. Roberts, whose maiden name I never inquired. She possessed some property and it was the basis on which my grandfather built his fortune. She was my grandmother and it grieves me that I never inquired about her. She died when her five children were quite small and my father was reared by a stepfather. A Sweet family tradition states that her maiden name was Avant. On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:57 PM, william wray wrote: > Hi Kikki, you are referring to elizabeth shepard , i think, and you are > referring to a Hugh Tucker, if im not mistaken, he is a """know it > all""""" and if u dont agree with him , u are dead wrong, i put him > off my list of people to contact ....................... soon as my son > in law comes up and gets my computer straightened out ill get u a list > of what i have and we can complare, will that be ok ???? > gary > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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    07/15/2012 03:52:40
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. I left out the first two words of the following: "In 1700+, . . ." -----Original Message----- From: deangrossm <deangrossm@aol.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com>; camark_collector <camark_collector@yahoo.com> Sent: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 7:59 pm Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS Here's what I found in an old family paper regarding Abraham I, father of Abraham II who migrated to Mississippi: "Abraham Roberts emigrated from France to Marion District, South Carolina. He was the youngest son. His family wished him to marry his cousin. He didn't love her and when he learned that she loved another, he decided to go to America, then she would be free to marry her lover. Abraham's parents were wealthy. The oldest son inherited the property. They gave Abraham a large amount of gold, which he brought to America in a brown leather, iron-bound trunk This same trunk was given the youngest Roberts son through the years. Howard Roberts, son of Thomas Griffin and Amanda Anders Roberts rightfully owned the trunk at his death. Abraham married in Marion District, South Carolina. He had several daughters and one son, named for the father, Abraham II. Abraham II was born about the year 1745. In 1770 Abraham the second married Miss Desire Rogers. They had eight children who lived to be grown, four sons and four daughters. Their oldest son was named David; second child was Sarah; third child, Abraham III; fourth, Mariah; fifth, Hannah; sixth, Robert; seventh, Joab; and the eighth, Katherine. In 1807 Abraham II with all the children moved from South Carolina to what is now Claiborn County, Mississippi." Does this story ring a bell with anyone else? Kristen Dean-Grossmann -----Original Message----- From: J. L. Sibley Jennings, Jr. <jlsj@dmv.com> To: william wray <camark_collector@yahoo.com>; robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 1:16 am Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS Folks, I'm becoming a little perturbed at some of the unnecessarily snarky omments. At the risk of launching into my own snarkidom, I ask you olitely to give great credit, where credit is indeed due, to cousin Annie iller and her remarkable book "Our Family Circle". It is, in fact, ncredibly accurate considering the tens of thousands of people she had to rack down without benefit of telephone, computers or the internet, to ompile the monumental work that she produced. What errors there are in it are not of her making, but rather the errors of ther family members who sent her what they knew, or thought they knew, at he time. You have to consider that between the late 17th and early 18th enturies to today we have had a major revolution, a civil war, homes urned, letters and bibles lost or destroyed, courthouses and churches urned or destroyed by war, accidents, or the elements (hurricanes) taking heir records with them so that we are lucky to have any deeds, wills or ther documentation at all. The very fact that cousin Annie Miller was able o compile the records she did is nothing short of astonishing. I suggest hat, even with today's technology, it is altogether doubtful that any of ou could achieve anything similar to the achievement of that little entlelady. Having said that, I suggest that all of you should have at your fingers, as do, two copies of cousin Annie's book: 1) a copy of the original 1931 ublication, and, 2) a copy of the 1987 annotated version, a "xerox" ardback of the same book with handwritten notations and corrections that as published by our cousins, the "Lawton and Allied Families Association" eadquartered on Hilton Head Island. IF cousin Annie had not produced her ook, and distributed it liberally among all of our family lines, there ould be no source for the thousands of lines of descent to correct and nnotate for future generations. As scholarship progresses, and as more ocuments are uncovered, it might be possible to produce an even more ccurate picture of our ancestors -- but, none of it would have happened ithout cousin Annie!!! Both Landgrave Thomas Smith, Royal Governor of SC and founder of Charleston today's "Battery" was the side lot to his mansion house) and Pierre Robert ere my 8x-great-grandfathers. There is not a single error in Annie's ntire book from TS & PR to me (actually, my father; I was not yet born at he time of her publication). Perhaps that was because we still had Bibles, ills, deeds and letters, along with other artifacts, from the time of their rrival in 17th c. SC that we were able to supply cousin Annie. I have no oubt that others had a more difficult time. One of the bankers living ehind me here in Macon, Georgia, a gentleman named Johnson, was from ouisiana; he was descended from Pierre Robert as I am. We had known each ther for twenty years before we discovered we were cousins. And that was nly because he spotted one of my copies of her book in my library! "Our Family Circle" is one of the "Bibles" for the First Families of South arolina, an organization in which both I and my father (now deceased) are ife members. They meet annually in Charleston. If you want to really do omething about a Robert DNA project, that organization is where you should tart. At the last meeting my father attended it was estimated that he had iving, at that time, some 80,000 cousins in SC alone. And a goodly ercentage of them were Robert. If you are not willing to wait until next Spring's annual meeting to round p more Robert male descent guinea pigs, then call Atlanta and ask for obert & Co. They are, or were, one of the nation's biggest engineering and rchitectural companies. When I was at Georgia Tech many years ago, I was iven to understand that "Chip" Robert's company had some 2,000 professional mployees. I knew Chip. I never asked him that was so, but suffice to say t's a big company. Lawrence Wood Robert, Jr. ("Chip"), was president of the company; he was lso, I think, treasurer of the Democratic Party under FDR and Truman, and as responsible for the East Front extension of the U.S. Capitol as well as he design and construction of the Rayburn House (of Representatives) Office uilding to the south of the Capitol. Chip was a member of the Atlanta power lite; many of the other prominent Atlantans with whom he dealt were also is Robert and Smith cousins but with varying surnames via marriage over the enturies. Chip had a son, L. W. Robert, III, born in 1912 [OFC, pg 279]; Chip, Jr." had two sons: L. W. Robert, IV, and David L. Robert. There is a easonably good chance that they are alive and living in Atlanta, perhaps till working at the offices of Robert & Co. Google "Chip" Robert and Robert & Co. Otherwise, grab a copy of cousin nnie Miller's book and look up all of the male Robert surnamed born between 900 and 1931 and get on the internet to see if they, or their children / ranchildren, are still living in the community she had listed. If I can be of further help, feel free to contact me at my Macon, Georgia, esidence where I am at the moment. The email address with this missive is y Maryland address. Use a different one to contact me in Georgia: lsj2@att.net My Macon telephone number is (478) 742-5438. Macon is overrun with Robert kin!!! Regards. J. L. Sibley Jennings, Jr. P.S.: my father's birth in 1920 is recorded in cousin Annie's book [pg 454], nd on page 452 is a ca. 1910 photo of my great-grandparents in their adillac drop-top touring car with four of the ten kids sitting on the onnet, four ladies lounging in the rear, and the two oldest boys, then at niversity, hunkered down on the running board. I have the original photo hat cousin Annie reproduced in the book. So, be gentlemanly or ladylike hen you breathe cousin Annie's name, and please give her credit where redit is seriously due. Thanks. JLSJ. ----- Original Message ----- rom: "william wray" <camark_collector@yahoo.com> o: <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> ent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:01 PM ubject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS Thanks for all the info Hugh, I learned , albeit , the hard way, not to take everything that is published , as gospel fact ....................... case in question ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Anne Miller publication ,,,,,,, puttisng the Robert family into Abeyswerth Wales for several generations ............................. it just didnt happen that way . .. period so , from that , i gather that the miller book may or may not contain some more """""""""""""""""""" family lore """"""""" passed down from great gran ma or grna pa ................ ive learned to check it out , for the truth . thanks william ________________________________ From: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS I am sorry if I have stepped on some toes, but I do care about historical evidence. Genealogy is not an exact science but it does depend on historical record. As far as I have been able to determine the source of the assertion that Abraham II was the son of Abraham Roberts and Elizabeth Shepard was a series of two articles by Nathaniel Edward (Ed) Roberts in Transactions of the Huguenot Society of South Carolina, no. 77 & 78, 1972. These articles had some very good research but they also had a lot of speculation. on page 78 (vol. 77), Ed Roberts states : Abraham Robert ca. 1720 - ca 1757; " Abraham Roberts, I. (Abraham Robert), undoubtedly lef French Santee, South Carolina, rather than leaving France, as it is written in the Roberts Family History), for the Georgetown District, South Carolina.... In addition to Abraham, II, born in 1745, and several daughters (we think at least three) , there was an older son who was reported to have been born in 1740, named John ( later information shows John's birth to be 1742-43, in a copy of the Roberts-Lambright-Andrew Bible, marked very hard to read at the above date. >From the year of John's birth, I think it is safe to assume that Abraham >Robert was born 1719-22 and married Elizabeth Shepard 1739-41." On page 79 "Actually very few items have shown up on Abraham Robert, I, ... now I can see why Annie E. Miller writes: " We know very little about him." This is what we know about Abraham Roberts and Elizabeth. Contrary to Ed Roberts speculations based on the Lambright Bible, we do not know Elizabeth's maiden name. The Shepard comes from her marriage to James Shepard about 1750 in St. Bartholomew's parish, Colleton County, SC. The date is based on the birth date of her son, Thomas Shepard on 9 Nov. 1752 (Shepard Family Bible). This means that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died no later than 1751, six years earlier that the date given by Ed Roberts. James Shepard's Will probated in 1759 names John Roberts as "his son-in-law" . In this case this means his son by marriage to his mother rather than the modern meaning. As John Roberts was not of legal age to be executor (as stated in the will, his mother and James Shepard's widow was named executrix. The only beneficiaries named are John Roberts and his son, Thomas Shepard. The entire will can be found in the archives of this discussion group. Elizabeth Shepards will probated in Liberty County, Georgia after her death in 1785: Her will was probated by Francis Brown in Liberty County, Georgia. "Liberty County, Georgia, Probate Court, Original will of Elizabeth Sheppard: "Georgia / In the Name of God Amen. I Elizabeth Sheppard of St. John's Parish and Province Aforesaid Widow ... First. I Give and Bequeath unto my Eldest Son Jo[torn] Roberts. His Bond (let it be what Sum it will) which he gave me for Two Negroe Winches: Named Sylvia and Judah: the Bond being at Present in the Hands of Mr Gideon Dupont in Charles Town. So Carolina. and it is my Will that be fully, Clearly & Absolutely Discharged of the Same. Also to my Grand Daughter Elizabeth Roberts I Give ... One Gold Ring, and One Pair of Gold Sleeve Buttons . ... All the Residue, and Remainder, of my Estate ... I Give. Devise, and Bequeath. unto my well Beloved Son. Thomas Sheppard.6 whom I Do hereby Constitute and Appoint my whole and Sole Executor ... this Thirteenth Day of March ... One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy Two ... I Elizabeth her III Hand Sheppard / In the Presence of Us ... / s/ Francis Brown / s/ Michael Williamson / Personally appeared this 14th ... September 1785 before me Thos Baker Register of Probates for Liberty County ... State of Georgia Frances Brown ... duly sworn ... he saw Elizabeth Shepard sign ... her last Will ... he also saw Michael Williamson sign ... as witness ... / s/ Thomas Baker R. P. “ (the three dots are in the original to prevent text insertions) Note that in neither will are any other children mentioned or acknowledged. If Abraham II was Elziabeth's child we would have expected him to be mentioned in one or both wills. There is also evidence (land and other records) that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died in St. Bartholomew's parish. Now what about Abraham, the father of Abraham Ii. A Will was probated for Abraham Roberts in the Georgetown district in 1762. Given that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died at least ten years earlier, this must be a different Abraham Roberts. On March 20, 1762, letters of guardianship were granted to Anthony Sweet and Martha his wife, "on Abraham Roberts, Infant Child of Abraham Roberts late of Fredericks Parish, planter deceased." Anthony Sweet's grandson, William Charles Sweet (Margaret Mitchell's grandfather) stated: My grandfather, Anthony Sweet (I) married a widow, Mrs. Roberts, whose maiden name I never inquired. She possessed some property and it was the basis on which my grandfather built his fortune. She was my grandmother and it grieves me that I never inquired about her. She died when her five children were quite small and my father was reared by a stepfather. A Sweet family tradition states that her maiden name was Avant. On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:57 PM, william wray wrote: > Hi Kikki, you are referring to elizabeth shepard , i think, and you are > referring to a Hugh Tucker, if im not mistaken, he is a """know it > all""""" and if u dont agree with him , u are dead wrong, i put him > off my list of people to contact ....................... soon as my son > in law comes up and gets my computer straightened out ill get u a list > of what i have and we can complare, will that be ok ???? > gary > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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    07/14/2012 03:01:11
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. Here's what I found in an old family paper regarding Abraham I, father of Abraham II who migrated to Mississippi: "Abraham Roberts emigrated from France to Marion District, South Carolina. He was the youngest son. His family wished him to marry his cousin. He didn't love her and when he learned that she loved another, he decided to go to America, then she would be free to marry her lover. Abraham's parents were wealthy. The oldest son inherited the property. They gave Abraham a large amount of gold, which he brought to America in a brown leather, iron-bound trunk This same trunk was given the youngest Roberts son through the years. Howard Roberts, son of Thomas Griffin and Amanda Anders Roberts rightfully owned the trunk at his death. Abraham married in Marion District, South Carolina. He had several daughters and one son, named for the father, Abraham II. Abraham II was born about the year 1745. In 1770 Abraham the second married Miss Desire Rogers. They had eight children who lived to be grown, four sons and four daughters. Their oldest son was named David; second child was Sarah; third child, Abraham III; fourth, Mariah; fifth, Hannah; sixth, Robert; seventh, Joab; and the eighth, Katherine. In 1807 Abraham II with all the children moved from South Carolina to what is now Claiborn County, Mississippi." Does this story ring a bell with anyone else? Kristen Dean-Grossmann -----Original Message----- From: J. L. Sibley Jennings, Jr. <jlsj@dmv.com> To: william wray <camark_collector@yahoo.com>; robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 1:16 am Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS Folks, I'm becoming a little perturbed at some of the unnecessarily snarky omments. At the risk of launching into my own snarkidom, I ask you olitely to give great credit, where credit is indeed due, to cousin Annie iller and her remarkable book "Our Family Circle". It is, in fact, ncredibly accurate considering the tens of thousands of people she had to rack down without benefit of telephone, computers or the internet, to ompile the monumental work that she produced. What errors there are in it are not of her making, but rather the errors of ther family members who sent her what they knew, or thought they knew, at he time. You have to consider that between the late 17th and early 18th enturies to today we have had a major revolution, a civil war, homes urned, letters and bibles lost or destroyed, courthouses and churches urned or destroyed by war, accidents, or the elements (hurricanes) taking heir records with them so that we are lucky to have any deeds, wills or ther documentation at all. The very fact that cousin Annie Miller was able o compile the records she did is nothing short of astonishing. I suggest hat, even with today's technology, it is altogether doubtful that any of ou could achieve anything similar to the achievement of that little entlelady. Having said that, I suggest that all of you should have at your fingers, as do, two copies of cousin Annie's book: 1) a copy of the original 1931 ublication, and, 2) a copy of the 1987 annotated version, a "xerox" ardback of the same book with handwritten notations and corrections that as published by our cousins, the "Lawton and Allied Families Association" eadquartered on Hilton Head Island. IF cousin Annie had not produced her ook, and distributed it liberally among all of our family lines, there ould be no source for the thousands of lines of descent to correct and nnotate for future generations. As scholarship progresses, and as more ocuments are uncovered, it might be possible to produce an even more ccurate picture of our ancestors -- but, none of it would have happened ithout cousin Annie!!! Both Landgrave Thomas Smith, Royal Governor of SC and founder of Charleston today's "Battery" was the side lot to his mansion house) and Pierre Robert ere my 8x-great-grandfathers. There is not a single error in Annie's ntire book from TS & PR to me (actually, my father; I was not yet born at he time of her publication). Perhaps that was because we still had Bibles, ills, deeds and letters, along with other artifacts, from the time of their rrival in 17th c. SC that we were able to supply cousin Annie. I have no oubt that others had a more difficult time. One of the bankers living ehind me here in Macon, Georgia, a gentleman named Johnson, was from ouisiana; he was descended from Pierre Robert as I am. We had known each ther for twenty years before we discovered we were cousins. And that was nly because he spotted one of my copies of her book in my library! "Our Family Circle" is one of the "Bibles" for the First Families of South arolina, an organization in which both I and my father (now deceased) are ife members. They meet annually in Charleston. If you want to really do omething about a Robert DNA project, that organization is where you should tart. At the last meeting my father attended it was estimated that he had iving, at that time, some 80,000 cousins in SC alone. And a goodly ercentage of them were Robert. If you are not willing to wait until next Spring's annual meeting to round p more Robert male descent guinea pigs, then call Atlanta and ask for obert & Co. They are, or were, one of the nation's biggest engineering and rchitectural companies. When I was at Georgia Tech many years ago, I was iven to understand that "Chip" Robert's company had some 2,000 professional mployees. I knew Chip. I never asked him that was so, but suffice to say t's a big company. Lawrence Wood Robert, Jr. ("Chip"), was president of the company; he was lso, I think, treasurer of the Democratic Party under FDR and Truman, and as responsible for the East Front extension of the U.S. Capitol as well as he design and construction of the Rayburn House (of Representatives) Office uilding to the south of the Capitol. Chip was a member of the Atlanta power lite; many of the other prominent Atlantans with whom he dealt were also is Robert and Smith cousins but with varying surnames via marriage over the enturies. Chip had a son, L. W. Robert, III, born in 1912 [OFC, pg 279]; Chip, Jr." had two sons: L. W. Robert, IV, and David L. Robert. There is a easonably good chance that they are alive and living in Atlanta, perhaps till working at the offices of Robert & Co. Google "Chip" Robert and Robert & Co. Otherwise, grab a copy of cousin nnie Miller's book and look up all of the male Robert surnamed born between 900 and 1931 and get on the internet to see if they, or their children / ranchildren, are still living in the community she had listed. If I can be of further help, feel free to contact me at my Macon, Georgia, esidence where I am at the moment. The email address with this missive is y Maryland address. Use a different one to contact me in Georgia: lsj2@att.net My Macon telephone number is (478) 742-5438. Macon is overrun with Robert kin!!! Regards. J. L. Sibley Jennings, Jr. P.S.: my father's birth in 1920 is recorded in cousin Annie's book [pg 454], nd on page 452 is a ca. 1910 photo of my great-grandparents in their adillac drop-top touring car with four of the ten kids sitting on the onnet, four ladies lounging in the rear, and the two oldest boys, then at niversity, hunkered down on the running board. I have the original photo hat cousin Annie reproduced in the book. So, be gentlemanly or ladylike hen you breathe cousin Annie's name, and please give her credit where redit is seriously due. Thanks. JLSJ. ----- Original Message ----- rom: "william wray" <camark_collector@yahoo.com> o: <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> ent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:01 PM ubject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS Thanks for all the info Hugh, I learned , albeit , the hard way, not to take everything that is published , as gospel fact ....................... case in question ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Anne Miller publication ,,,,,,, puttisng the Robert family into Abeyswerth Wales for several generations ............................. it just didnt happen that way . .. period so , from that , i gather that the miller book may or may not contain some more """""""""""""""""""" family lore """"""""" passed down from great gran ma or grna pa ................ ive learned to check it out , for the truth . thanks william ________________________________ From: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS I am sorry if I have stepped on some toes, but I do care about historical evidence. Genealogy is not an exact science but it does depend on historical record. As far as I have been able to determine the source of the assertion that Abraham II was the son of Abraham Roberts and Elizabeth Shepard was a series of two articles by Nathaniel Edward (Ed) Roberts in Transactions of the Huguenot Society of South Carolina, no. 77 & 78, 1972. These articles had some very good research but they also had a lot of speculation. on page 78 (vol. 77), Ed Roberts states : Abraham Robert ca. 1720 - ca 1757; " Abraham Roberts, I. (Abraham Robert), undoubtedly lef French Santee, South Carolina, rather than leaving France, as it is written in the Roberts Family History), for the Georgetown District, South Carolina.... In addition to Abraham, II, born in 1745, and several daughters (we think at least three) , there was an older son who was reported to have been born in 1740, named John ( later information shows John's birth to be 1742-43, in a copy of the Roberts-Lambright-Andrew Bible, marked very hard to read at the above date. >From the year of John's birth, I think it is safe to assume that Abraham >Robert was born 1719-22 and married Elizabeth Shepard 1739-41." On page 79 "Actually very few items have shown up on Abraham Robert, I, ... now I can see why Annie E. Miller writes: " We know very little about him." This is what we know about Abraham Roberts and Elizabeth. Contrary to Ed Roberts speculations based on the Lambright Bible, we do not know Elizabeth's maiden name. The Shepard comes from her marriage to James Shepard about 1750 in St. Bartholomew's parish, Colleton County, SC. The date is based on the birth date of her son, Thomas Shepard on 9 Nov. 1752 (Shepard Family Bible). This means that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died no later than 1751, six years earlier that the date given by Ed Roberts. James Shepard's Will probated in 1759 names John Roberts as "his son-in-law" . In this case this means his son by marriage to his mother rather than the modern meaning. As John Roberts was not of legal age to be executor (as stated in the will, his mother and James Shepard's widow was named executrix. The only beneficiaries named are John Roberts and his son, Thomas Shepard. The entire will can be found in the archives of this discussion group. Elizabeth Shepards will probated in Liberty County, Georgia after her death in 1785: Her will was probated by Francis Brown in Liberty County, Georgia. "Liberty County, Georgia, Probate Court, Original will of Elizabeth Sheppard: "Georgia / In the Name of God Amen. I Elizabeth Sheppard of St. John's Parish and Province Aforesaid Widow ... First. I Give and Bequeath unto my Eldest Son Jo[torn] Roberts. His Bond (let it be what Sum it will) which he gave me for Two Negroe Winches: Named Sylvia and Judah: the Bond being at Present in the Hands of Mr Gideon Dupont in Charles Town. So Carolina. and it is my Will that be fully, Clearly & Absolutely Discharged of the Same. Also to my Grand Daughter Elizabeth Roberts I Give ... One Gold Ring, and One Pair of Gold Sleeve Buttons . ... All the Residue, and Remainder, of my Estate ... I Give. Devise, and Bequeath. unto my well Beloved Son. Thomas Sheppard.6 whom I Do hereby Constitute and Appoint my whole and Sole Executor ... this Thirteenth Day of March ... One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy Two ... I Elizabeth her III Hand Sheppard / In the Presence of Us ... / s/ Francis Brown / s/ Michael Williamson / Personally appeared this 14th ... September 1785 before me Thos Baker Register of Probates for Liberty County ... State of Georgia Frances Brown ... duly sworn ... he saw Elizabeth Shepard sign ... her last Will ... he also saw Michael Williamson sign ... as witness ... / s/ Thomas Baker R. P. “ (the three dots are in the original to prevent text insertions) Note that in neither will are any other children mentioned or acknowledged. If Abraham II was Elziabeth's child we would have expected him to be mentioned in one or both wills. There is also evidence (land and other records) that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died in St. Bartholomew's parish. Now what about Abraham, the father of Abraham Ii. A Will was probated for Abraham Roberts in the Georgetown district in 1762. Given that Elizabeth's husband, Abraham Roberts died at least ten years earlier, this must be a different Abraham Roberts. On March 20, 1762, letters of guardianship were granted to Anthony Sweet and Martha his wife, "on Abraham Roberts, Infant Child of Abraham Roberts late of Fredericks Parish, planter deceased." Anthony Sweet's grandson, William Charles Sweet (Margaret Mitchell's grandfather) stated: My grandfather, Anthony Sweet (I) married a widow, Mrs. Roberts, whose maiden name I never inquired. She possessed some property and it was the basis on which my grandfather built his fortune. She was my grandmother and it grieves me that I never inquired about her. She died when her five children were quite small and my father was reared by a stepfather. A Sweet family tradition states that her maiden name was Avant. On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:57 PM, william wray wrote: > Hi Kikki, you are referring to elizabeth shepard , i think, and you are > referring to a Hugh Tucker, if im not mistaken, he is a """know it > all""""" and if u dont agree with him , u are dead wrong, i put him > off my list of people to contact ....................... soon as my son > in law comes up and gets my computer straightened out ill get u a list > of what i have and we can complare, will that be ok ???? > gary > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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    07/14/2012 02:59:49
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Rev. Pierre Robear (Roberts) family tree
    2. Cyndi
    3. Hi William, My line is thru Captain Peter Robert and his son James... Do you have family member you can do DNA thru? Please share your line with us??? Cyndi -----Original Message----- From: william wray <camark_collector@yahoo.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 13, 2012 8:57 pm Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Rev. Pierre Robear (Roberts) family tree hi cyndi, my line is the jean/john line, whch line is yours ??? william in oklahoma ________________________________ From: Cyndi <pathoscafe@aol.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com; robert-rev-pierre-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Rev. Pierre Robear (Roberts) family tree Hi Kikki et al, I wrote to the list the other day about a big DNA sale for new members that's going on thru the 15th, but I got probably 20 bounce notifications and as many unsubscription notices. Some kind of glitch in the system, I guess. If you know folks who should be on this list, you may want to email them to re-subscribe... And if you are planning to test, this is a good time to do it! The prices are great! Order as many markers as you can afford for now--you can add on later as you collect more funds (maybe during a later sale)... As for Jean (John), I have seen some varying/conflicting reports on his children/line. I'd love to get a dialogue going to see if we can't iron out his descendants!! His line is not mine, so I defer to those of you who have studied it. Why don't you list the first generation of descendants and let's see where it goes! Cyndi in Baltimore -----Original Message----- From: Kikki White <mykikki@hotmail.com> To: robert-rev-pierre-l <robert-rev-pierre-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 13, 2012 11:21 am Subject: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Rev. Pierre Robear (Roberts) family tree Anyone wanting information of Rev.Pierre Robear (Roberts) family please contact me. I have all the information of his son Jean (John) Roberts family and all of his children and grandchildren etc. I also have all the Births and deaths and personal information of Rev.Pierre Robear family reaching back to 1444. Robert Calvin Roberts ( my grandfather) John Franklin Roberts (His Father) Laura Amelia Roberts (wife) Robert Middleton Roberts (His father) Lovvie Roberts (Wife) Abraham Roberts Ii (His father) Desire Roberts (wife) Abraham Roberts I (His Father) Eizabeth Roberts (wife) Jean John Robert (.Robear)..(His Father) Elizabeth Margaret (Wife) Rev. Pierre Robear.(Roberts).. (His Father) Jeanne Robear (Wife) Daniel Robear ( His Father) Marie Robear (Wife) Pierre Robear (His Father) Judith Robear (Wife) Daniel Robear His FAther ) Marie Robear (Wife) Guillaume Robear ( His Father) ????? (Wife) Humbert Robear ( His Father ) Jeannett Dumont Robear (Wife) Jehan Roberts (His Father) ????? (Wife) . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/13/2012 05:02:42
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Rev. Pierre Robear (Roberts) family tree
    2. Cyndi
    3. Hi Kikki et al, I wrote to the list the other day about a big DNA sale for new members that's going on thru the 15th, but I got probably 20 bounce notifications and as many unsubscription notices. Some kind of glitch in the system, I guess. If you know folks who should be on this list, you may want to email them to re-subscribe... And if you are planning to test, this is a good time to do it! The prices are great! Order as many markers as you can afford for now--you can add on later as you collect more funds (maybe during a later sale)... As for Jean (John), I have seen some varying/conflicting reports on his children/line. I'd love to get a dialogue going to see if we can't iron out his descendants!! His line is not mine, so I defer to those of you who have studied it. Why don't you list the first generation of descendants and let's see where it goes! Cyndi in Baltimore -----Original Message----- From: Kikki White <mykikki@hotmail.com> To: robert-rev-pierre-l <robert-rev-pierre-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 13, 2012 11:21 am Subject: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Rev. Pierre Robear (Roberts) family tree Anyone wanting information of Rev.Pierre Robear (Roberts) family please contact me. I have all the information of his son Jean (John) Roberts family and all of his children and grandchildren etc. I also have all the Births and deaths and personal information of Rev.Pierre Robear family reaching back to 1444. Robert Calvin Roberts ( my grandfather) John Franklin Roberts (His Father) Laura Amelia Roberts (wife) Robert Middleton Roberts (His father) Lovvie Roberts (Wife) Abraham Roberts Ii (His father) Desire Roberts (wife) Abraham Roberts I (His Father) Eizabeth Roberts (wife) Jean John Robert (.Robear)..(His Father) Elizabeth Margaret (Wife) Rev. Pierre Robear.(Roberts).. (His Father) Jeanne Robear (Wife) Daniel Robear ( His Father) Marie Robear (Wife) Pierre Robear (His Father) Judith Robear (Wife) Daniel Robear His FAther ) Marie Robear (Wife) Guillaume Robear ( His Father) ????? (Wife) Humbert Robear ( His Father ) Jeannett Dumont Robear (Wife) Jehan Roberts (His Father) ????? (Wife) . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/13/2012 01:37:53
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] DNA sale! Our chance to sort out our Robert tree!!
    2. Cyndi
    3. Hi Kristin, How exciting! I have applied to get a separate project for our Pierre Robert group, but I haven't heard back yet so my best advice would be to join the Roberts project for now--and then if we get our own project we can get you into that easily. And while I do recommend 67 markers for all of us--or even 111--since this is a family study, I suggest you go ahead and get started with 12 markers--or whatever level you can afford to start with (FTDNA saves the sample so we can add on later without having to retest). Partly, I just want to get the ball rolling! I've found that if one person tests, it inspires others! But also, even 12 markers may be able to lead us to other folks/matches who may have already tested. And 12 markers is enough to tell the Haplogroup which is interesting in itself! Malaria should not affect the test--that's come up on the lists before and the folks who should know say it's not a problem... This sale has really good prices! I'd get in on it if you can!!! If you order and add me as a contact I will be able to help you get into the right projects and help you understand your results. Up to you... Join the Roberts project at: http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?code=V27721&Group=Roberts (Peter Roberts is the admin of this project & is a good guy. He'll want your ancestor line--you may want to prepare a GEDCOM for upload--or just get your line together..) Looking forward to getting this stuff going! Working on my own line for comparison... Cyndi in Baltimore volunteer admin for several DNA projects--descendant of Rev Peter... -----Original Message----- From: deangrossm <deangrossm@aol.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] DNA sale! Our chance to sort out our Robert tree!! I think we in our group of Abraham III of Amite County, MS descendants have someone we can sponsor. How would we go about ordering a kit? And, it's the Y-DNA 67 kit that you recommend? We might wait for the Christmas sale so that we don't feel pressured to get our funds together this week. If our representative has had malaria, is that a problem for the results? Thanks! Kristen Dean-Grossmann -----Original Message----- From: Cyndi <pathoscafe@aol.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 5:49 am Subject: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] DNA sale! Our chance to sort out our Robert tree!! i folks, We have been talking recently about defining our Robert/Roberts/Robarts family ines and I have good news! FamilyTreeDNA has just announced their summer sale or DNA testing. It's only good for a week but for anyone who has thought about esting, this is the time to buy a kit (you can store it if you need to work on inding an appropriate candidate)! The appropriate candidate is male and still carrying the surname (sorry, that's ow Y-DNA works! we women can sponsor someone and manage the results, but we on't have Y-DNA). I highly recommend 67 markers--since this is a family study nd all of our results will be similar--but one good thing about FTDNA is that hey will store your DNA sample so you can start at a lower number of markers nd add on when you can afford it (ie, the next sale which is usually around hristmas-time). I suggest we all get busy and find our candidate, then talk to family members to hare in the funding. After all, when "Uncle Leo" is tested, his Robert results re true for everyone in the family! I'd really like to see descendants from ach of Rev Pierre's sons tested--tho I'm not sure each has a male Robert/s escendent... The test is a simple cheek swab (no blood) and they send you everything you eed. If you test, please provide your direct line to your earliest proven obert ancestors... Prices on new kits as follows: NEW KITS urrent Group Price ALE PRICE Y-DNA 12 99 59 Y-DNA 37 149 129 Y-DNA 67 239 199 Family Finder 289 199 mtFullSequence (FMS) 299 219 FF+ Y-DNA 37 438 328 FF + mtDNAPlus 438 328 Comprehensive (FF + FMS + Y-DNA 67) 797 617 SuperDNA 518 428 his is a golden opportunity--let's see what we can learn! Cyndi in Baltimore ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/13/2012 12:40:47
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Rev. Pierre Robear (Roberts) family tree
    2. william wray
    3. hi cyndi, my line is  the  jean/john   line,   whch line is yours ???    william in   oklahoma ________________________________ From: Cyndi <pathoscafe@aol.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com; robert-rev-pierre-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Rev. Pierre Robear (Roberts) family tree Hi Kikki et al, I wrote to the list the other day about a big DNA sale for new members that's going on thru the 15th, but I got probably 20 bounce notifications and as many unsubscription notices.  Some kind of glitch in the system, I guess.  If you know folks who should be on this list, you may want to email them to re-subscribe... And if you are planning to test, this is a good time to do it!  The prices are great!  Order as many markers as you can afford for now--you can add on later as you collect more funds (maybe during a later sale)... As for Jean (John), I have seen some varying/conflicting reports on his children/line.  I'd love to get a dialogue going to see if we can't iron out his descendants!!  His line is not mine, so I defer to those of you who have studied it.  Why don't you list the first generation of descendants and let's see where it goes! Cyndi in Baltimore -----Original Message----- From: Kikki White <mykikki@hotmail.com> To: robert-rev-pierre-l <robert-rev-pierre-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 13, 2012 11:21 am Subject: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Rev. Pierre Robear (Roberts) family tree Anyone wanting information of Rev.Pierre Robear (Roberts)  family please contact me. I have all the information of his son Jean (John) Roberts family and all of his children and grandchildren etc. I also have all the Births and deaths and personal information  of Rev.Pierre  Robear family reaching back to 1444. Robert Calvin Roberts ( my grandfather) John Franklin Roberts  (His Father)    Laura Amelia Roberts (wife) Robert Middleton  Roberts (His father)  Lovvie Roberts (Wife) Abraham Roberts Ii    (His father)  Desire Roberts (wife) Abraham Roberts I    (His Father)    Eizabeth Roberts (wife) Jean John Robert (.Robear)..(His Father)  Elizabeth Margaret  (Wife) Rev. Pierre Robear.(Roberts).. (His Father)  Jeanne Robear  (Wife) Daniel Robear ( His Father)      Marie Robear  (Wife) Pierre Robear  (His Father)    Judith Robear  (Wife) Daniel Robear  His FAther )    Marie Robear  (Wife) Guillaume Robear ( His Father)      ????? (Wife) Humbert Robear  ( His Father )    Jeannett Dumont Robear (Wife) Jehan Roberts (His Father)        ????? (Wife) .                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/13/2012 11:55:33
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] Rev. Pierre Robear (Roberts) family tree
    2. Can you tell me what are you are showing for John Roberts and Lewis Roberts mid 1700's in South Carolina? In a message dated 7/13/2012 11:21:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mykikki@hotmail.com writes: Anyone wanting information of Rev.Pierre Robear (Roberts) family please contact me. I have all the information of his son Jean (John) Roberts family and all of his children and grandchildren etc. I also have all the Births and deaths and personal information of Rev.Pierre Robear family reaching back to 1444. Robert Calvin Roberts ( my grandfather) John Franklin Roberts (His Father) Laura Amelia Roberts (wife) Robert Middleton Roberts (His father) Lovvie Roberts (Wife) Abraham Roberts Ii (His father) Desire Roberts (wife) Abraham Roberts I (His Father) Eizabeth Roberts (wife) Jean John Robert (.Robear)..(His Father) Elizabeth Margaret (Wife) Rev. Pierre Robear.(Roberts).. (His Father) Jeanne Robear (Wife) Daniel Robear ( His Father) Marie Robear (Wife) Pierre Robear (His Father) Judith Robear (Wife) Daniel Robear His FAther ) Marie Robear (Wife) Guillaume Robear ( His Father) ????? (Wife) Humbert Robear ( His Father ) Jeannett Dumont Robear (Wife) Jehan Roberts (His Father) ????? (Wife) . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/13/2012 05:22:54
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] DNA sale! Our chance to sort out our Robert tree!!
    2. I think we in our group of Abraham III of Amite County, MS descendants have someone we can sponsor. How would we go about ordering a kit? And, it's the Y-DNA 67 kit that you recommend? We might wait for the Christmas sale so that we don't feel pressured to get our funds together this week. If our representative has had malaria, is that a problem for the results? Thanks! Kristen Dean-Grossmann -----Original Message----- From: Cyndi <pathoscafe@aol.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 5:49 am Subject: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] DNA sale! Our chance to sort out our Robert tree!! i folks, We have been talking recently about defining our Robert/Roberts/Robarts family ines and I have good news! FamilyTreeDNA has just announced their summer sale or DNA testing. It's only good for a week but for anyone who has thought about esting, this is the time to buy a kit (you can store it if you need to work on inding an appropriate candidate)! The appropriate candidate is male and still carrying the surname (sorry, that's ow Y-DNA works! we women can sponsor someone and manage the results, but we on't have Y-DNA). I highly recommend 67 markers--since this is a family study nd all of our results will be similar--but one good thing about FTDNA is that hey will store your DNA sample so you can start at a lower number of markers nd add on when you can afford it (ie, the next sale which is usually around hristmas-time). I suggest we all get busy and find our candidate, then talk to family members to hare in the funding. After all, when "Uncle Leo" is tested, his Robert results re true for everyone in the family! I'd really like to see descendants from ach of Rev Pierre's sons tested--tho I'm not sure each has a male Robert/s escendent... The test is a simple cheek swab (no blood) and they send you everything you eed. If you test, please provide your direct line to your earliest proven obert ancestors... Prices on new kits as follows: NEW KITS urrent Group Price ALE PRICE Y-DNA 12 99 59 Y-DNA 37 149 129 Y-DNA 67 239 199 Family Finder 289 199 mtFullSequence (FMS) 299 219 FF+ Y-DNA 37 438 328 FF + mtDNAPlus 438 328 Comprehensive (FF + FMS + Y-DNA 67) 797 617 SuperDNA 518 428 his is a golden opportunity--let's see what we can learn! Cyndi in Baltimore ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

    07/11/2012 09:31:55
    1. [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] DNA sale! Our chance to sort out our Robert tree!!
    2. Cyndi
    3. Hi folks, We have been talking recently about defining our Robert/Roberts/Robarts family lines and I have good news! FamilyTreeDNA has just announced their summer sale for DNA testing. It's only good for a week but for anyone who has thought about testing, this is the time to buy a kit (you can store it if you need to work on finding an appropriate candidate)! The appropriate candidate is male and still carrying the surname (sorry, that's how Y-DNA works! we women can sponsor someone and manage the results, but we don't have Y-DNA). I highly recommend 67 markers--since this is a family study and all of our results will be similar--but one good thing about FTDNA is that they will store your DNA sample so you can start at a lower number of markers and add on when you can afford it (ie, the next sale which is usually around Christmas-time). I suggest we all get busy and find our candidate, then talk to family members to share in the funding. After all, when "Uncle Leo" is tested, his Robert results are true for everyone in the family! I'd really like to see descendants from each of Rev Pierre's sons tested--tho I'm not sure each has a male Robert/s descendent... The test is a simple cheek swab (no blood) and they send you everything you need. If you test, please provide your direct line to your earliest proven Robert ancestors... Prices on new kits as follows: NEW KITS Current Group Price SALE PRICE Y-DNA 12 $99 $59 Y-DNA 37 $149 $129 Y-DNA 67 $239 $199 Family Finder $289 $199 mtFullSequence (FMS) $299 $219 FF+ Y-DNA 37 $438 $328 FF + mtDNAPlus $438 $328 Comprehensive (FF + FMS + Y-DNA 67) $797 $617 SuperDNA $518 $428 This is a golden opportunity--let's see what we can learn! Cyndi in Baltimore

    07/10/2012 12:44:05
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. W Hugh Tucker
    3. Correction, he bought the land in 1736 not 1836. That is what happens when you cut and paste and don't carefully proofread what you have done : - ) Hugh By the way, There are many John Roberts in SC during this period. Some experts feel that the John Roberts who moved to Colleton County is the son of Jean (John) Robert and not Jean Robert. Therefore, Abraham and this John Roberts would be first cousins rather than father and son. On Jul 4, 2012, at 5:00 PM, W Hugh Tucker wrote: > Other than the information I have already posted, this is what I know about Abraham Roberts, husband of Elizabeth: > > This is from my monograph on the Shepard family (The Graefenburg Shepards, c. 2011) > > Abraham Roberts moved to St. Bartholomew's Parish, Colleton County about 1736. He bought land in 1836 from Colonel Lawrence Sanders in St. Bartholomew's Parish, Colleton County. South Carolina. Signed his name, Abraham Robert. It is possible that Elizabeth was a Sanders as land transactions during his period often involved members of the same family. Abraham also was a witness to the conveyance of land between the brothers, Lawrence and William Sanders. He was in St. Bartholomew’s Parish fifteen years before his father, John/Jean Roberts moved to St. Bartholomew's Parish in 1850 when John purchased the 500 acre John Kennaway parcel on January 30, 1750. This would be very close to the date of Abraham's death. He probably married Elizabeth in the late 1730s or early 1740s as their son, John, was born February 2, 1742. Abraham moved to St. Bartholomew's Parish, Colleton County about 1736. Bought land in 1836 from Colonel Lawrence Sanders in St. Bartholomew's Parish, Colleton! County. South Carolina. He signed his name, Abraham Robert. E. Stanley Barnhill thought that Elizabeth was a Sanders as land transactions during his period usually involved members of the same family. Abraham also was a witness to the conveyance of land between the brothers, Lawrence and William Sanders. Abraham was in St. Bartholomew’s Parish fifteen years before his father, John/Jean Roberts moved to St. Bartholomew's Parish in 1850 when John purchased the 500 acre John Kennaway parcel on January 30, 1750. This would be very close to the date of Abraham's death. (E. Stanley Barnhill, ROBERT) > > > Note: I have looked at the Sanders family tree and I strongly doubt that Elizabeth was a Sanders. > > Ed Roberts on page 78 of Huguenot Transactions states: > > The Will of Marianne Thomas (this could be Mariah Hannah) written in St. James Santee, 14 May 1757, recorded 21 May 1762 in Will Book QQ (1760-67) p. 24; refers to her nephew, John Robert, the son of Abraham Robert, deceased. Signed with her mark - > > QUESTION: Has anyone researched Marianne (aka Mariah Hannah) Robert(s) Thomas? > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/04/2012 12:18:57
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. W Hugh Tucker
    3. Other than the information I have already posted, this is what I know about Abraham Roberts, husband of Elizabeth: This is from my monograph on the Shepard family (The Graefenburg Shepards, c. 2011) Abraham Roberts moved to St. Bartholomew's Parish, Colleton County about 1736. He bought land in 1836 from Colonel Lawrence Sanders in St. Bartholomew's Parish, Colleton County. South Carolina. Signed his name, Abraham Robert. It is possible that Elizabeth was a Sanders as land transactions during his period often involved members of the same family. Abraham also was a witness to the conveyance of land between the brothers, Lawrence and William Sanders. He was in St. Bartholomew’s Parish fifteen years before his father, John/Jean Roberts moved to St. Bartholomew's Parish in 1850 when John purchased the 500 acre John Kennaway parcel on January 30, 1750. This would be very close to the date of Abraham's death. He probably married Elizabeth in the late 1730s or early 1740s as their son, John, was born February 2, 1742. Abraham moved to St. Bartholomew's Parish, Colleton County about 1736. Bought land in 1836 from Colonel Lawrence Sanders in St. Bartholomew's Parish, Colleton C! ounty. South Carolina. He signed his name, Abraham Robert. E. Stanley Barnhill thought that Elizabeth was a Sanders as land transactions during his period usually involved members of the same family. Abraham also was a witness to the conveyance of land between the brothers, Lawrence and William Sanders. Abraham was in St. Bartholomew’s Parish fifteen years before his father, John/Jean Roberts moved to St. Bartholomew's Parish in 1850 when John purchased the 500 acre John Kennaway parcel on January 30, 1750. This would be very close to the date of Abraham's death. (E. Stanley Barnhill, ROBERT) Note: I have looked at the Sanders family tree and I strongly doubt that Elizabeth was a Sanders. Ed Roberts on page 78 of Huguenot Transactions states: The Will of Marianne Thomas (this could be Mariah Hannah) written in St. James Santee, 14 May 1757, recorded 21 May 1762 in Will Book QQ (1760-67) p. 24; refers to her nephew, John Robert, the son of Abraham Robert, deceased. Signed with her mark - QUESTION: Has anyone researched Marianne (aka Mariah Hannah) Robert(s) Thomas?

    07/04/2012 11:00:28
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. william wray
    3. i wondered about that , but,  not my job to correct u  is it ??? ________________________________ From: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> To: robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS Correction, he bought the land in 1736 not 1836. That is what happens when you cut and paste and don't carefully proofread what you have done  : - ) Hugh By the way, There are many John Roberts in SC during this period. Some experts feel that the John Roberts who moved to Colleton County is the son of Jean (John) Robert and not Jean Robert. Therefore, Abraham and this John Roberts would be first cousins rather than father and son. On Jul 4, 2012, at 5:00 PM, W Hugh Tucker wrote: > Other than the information I have already posted, this is what I know about Abraham Roberts, husband of Elizabeth: > > This is from my monograph on the Shepard family (The Graefenburg Shepards, c. 2011) > > Abraham Roberts moved to St. Bartholomew's Parish, Colleton County about 1736. He bought land in 1836 from Colonel Lawrence Sanders in St. Bartholomew's Parish, Colleton County. South Carolina. Signed his name, Abraham Robert. It is possible that Elizabeth was a Sanders as land transactions during his period often involved members of the same family. Abraham also was a witness to the conveyance of land between the brothers, Lawrence and William Sanders. He was in St. Bartholomew’s Parish fifteen years before his father, John/Jean Roberts moved to St. Bartholomew's Parish in 1850 when John purchased the  500 acre John Kennaway parcel on January 30, 1750. This would be very close to the date of Abraham's death. He probably married Elizabeth in the late 1730s or early 1740s as their son, John, was born February 2, 1742. Abraham moved to St. Bartholomew's Parish, Colleton County about 1736. Bought land in 1836 from Colonel Lawrence Sanders in St. Bartholomew's Parish, Colleton County. South Carolina. He signed his name, Abraham Robert. E. Stanley Barnhill thought that Elizabeth was a Sanders as land transactions during his period usually involved members of the same family. Abraham also was a witness to the conveyance of land between the brothers, Lawrence and William Sanders. Abraham was in St. Bartholomew’s Parish fifteen years before his father, John/Jean Roberts moved to St. Bartholomew's Parish in 1850 when John purchased the 500 acre John Kennaway parcel on January 30, 1750. This would be very close to the date of Abraham's death. (E. Stanley Barnhill, ROBERT) > > > Note: I have looked at the Sanders family tree and I strongly doubt that Elizabeth was a Sanders. > > Ed Roberts on page 78 of Huguenot Transactions states: > > The Will of Marianne Thomas (this could be Mariah Hannah)  written in St. James Santee, 14 May 1757, recorded 21 May 1762 in Will Book QQ (1760-67) p. 24; refers to her nephew, John Robert, the son of Abraham Robert, deceased. Signed with her mark - > > QUESTION: Has anyone researched Marianne (aka Mariah Hannah) Robert(s) Thomas? > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/04/2012 10:26:48
    1. Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS
    2. Cyndi
    3. Agreed! That is why we need some DNA testing to see if the lines are related. It is also why we need this discussion group. So happy to see activity here! As long as we're on the Abrahams, let's post everything we know about them here and see what shakes out... (This list is archived for anyone who wants to review) Cyndi in Baltimore -----Original Message----- From: W Hugh Tucker <htucker@stny.rr.com> To: robert-rev-pierre <robert-rev-pierre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 2:34 pm Subject: Re: [ROBERT-REV-PIERRE] PIERRE ROBERTS-ABRAHAM ROBERTS R. Stanley Barnhill felt that he was but not through Jean (John) Roberts. On the other hand, Barnhill thought that Abraham (husband of Elizabeth) may have been a son of the Rev. Pierre Robert rather than a grandson. The short answer is that documentation for this generation of descendants of the Rev. Pierre Robert is sketchy and based largely on family tradition. I think he may have been a son of Elias Robert. I do not believe (though I may be wrong) that we have a probate record for the Rev. Pierre Robert which would list his children. It is clear to me that both Abrahams were French Roberts. That is why we need some DNA testing to see if the lines are related. It is also why we need this discussion group. Hugh Tucker On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:48 PM, deangrossm@aol.com wrote: > So the "other" Abraham Roberts, ancestor of the Robertses who migrated to Amite County, MS, is not descended from Pierre Robert? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROBERT-REV-PIERRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    07/04/2012 08:50:23