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Hello, I'm new to this list. I tried subscribing a while back, but was distracted with work and other life issues, etc.and so was not successful in being active with the list, and don't even think I successfully subscribed. Anyhow, I guess I should mention my "River Rat" ancestor, and I'll describe his story below based on family legend, as I am looking for help to find him in the records. He was born illegitimately in the year 1815 in the village of Unzhurst, Baden, Germany. His parents married two years after his birth, and so he was baptized with his mother's maiden name, but raised with his father's last name. His name was Felix Haunss, the son of Franz Joseph HAUNSS and Rosina MAURATH. The family came to America in the year 1834 and eventually settled in Chillicothe, Ross County, Ohio. Here in America, the Haunss name was anglicized and the spelling of the name corrupted as Haungs, Haengs, Hangs, Hanks, etc., thus making it very difficult to find this family in the records. Based on family legend, Felix and his cousin Bernhard Maurath got jobs on the Ohio river at Cincinnati. Bernhard later moved to Newark, Ohio and Felix went to Louisville, Kentucky where he worked as a "riverman" on the Ohio river. Around the year 1837, Robert E. Lee (later, known as the famous Confederate General) with the Army Corps of Engineers, came through Cincinnati and Louisville, hiring rivermen (many Germans) to come work with him on the Mississippi River at St. Louis. Felix was one of those supposedly hired, and that's how he came to St. Louis, and he stayed in the general area the rest of his life. Robert E. Lee was sent to St. Louis to divert the flow of the river away from the Illinois side, back to the St. Louis side of the river, helping to keep the city as a river port. For whatever reason, after coming to the St. Louis area, Felix lived in Ridge Prairie, Illinois, which is now known as O'Fallon, St. Clair County, Illinois, across the Mississippi River from St. Louis (see Mowret in 1840 census). A couple of years later, he married Barbara JACOB in the Old Cathedral in St. Louis (the one under the Arch) in 1839, and two years later in 1841 they moved into a house in Soulard, right behind St. Vincent DePaul Catholic Church (which wasn't yet built....the church was dedicated in 1844). According to Felix's granddaughter (my great-aunt) Carme Maurath-Trueman (from whom much of this information came), she insisted that he was a "riverboat pilot" on the Mississippi River, but I can only find records simply listing him as a "riverman". I've looked in many sources for Felix, including the Waterways Journals at Mercantile Library and other sources, but can't even find his name. I can only find him in the city directories, listed as "riverman". Aunt Carme told stories of how he had to watch out for buffalo and other animals crossing the Mississippi, and how he brought a bell upriver for some Lutheran Church in St. Louis. I'm told there's always some element of truth in legends. It's important to note, that Felix used the Haunss surname (including corrupted mis-spellings) until the year 1840, when he started using his mother's maiden name of Maurath, of which there are also many corrupted mis-spellings, such as Maurat, Murat, Murrat, Morat, Mowret, etc. So, with this information, is there anyone on this list who might be able to tell me how to confirm whether Felix was actually a riverboat pilot or not, and please tell me how to find out who he worked for as a "riverman"? He left the river life in the year 1852, when he became a "drayman" in St. Louis. He moved away from St. Louis in 1864 during the Civil War and settled across the river in Millstadt, St. Clair County, Illinois, where he became a farmer, and where he died and is buried. Thank you so much for any help or leads! It's truly appreciated! John John Maurath St. Louis, MO j ____________________________________________________________ Blazeray Deemed: One Household Item Everyone Should Have In Any Emergency http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/575dacb8943502cb8346est02vuc

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Germanna Colony was a small group of Germans who arrived In VA by mistake. Many stayed in the Shenandoah Valley. They were skilled and have done very well for themselves. Some had relatives in Maryland and Pennsylvania as Philadelphia was their intended destination. Koontz (Cuntze) were among those first Germans in Virginia. Many were early settlers in Kentucky and Tennessee and other western territories. The British colony was not to pleased having Germans and not all would sell them land. So to prosper they moved west where land was easy to obtain. Also, if they had fought in the Revolutionary War, they might have accepted a land grant in the west instead of pay. Their surnames took on many spellings based upon the language of various officials. The official site http://www.germanna.org/original_settlers . Maybe you can look for marriages between your surname and any of these settlers. Your kin may be nephew cousin, in-law,etc. I'm pretty sure if you go on Ancestry, you will find a Koontz Message Board. You may post an inquiry there. Your locations are perfect for the era. My oral history cites the same places. I have affirmed those cities as the major stops during this era. Chicago got in later and was in fierce competition with St. Louis. Ohio is another place many settlers liked. It was a free state, no slaves. Plantation owners of different places established their mixed race children there. So there is a good base of those among the first pioneers. The Ohio River suffered from pirates who killed pioneers, sunk the bodies in the river with rocks and took their possessions . So larger vessels were welcome . It is a very interesting era that is difficult to research on line. There is a huge repository in St. Louis that I believe has not been able to put everything on line. Their population dropped from 4,000,000 to less than a million when pioneers were able to move west quickly. So you can see how hard it would be for the current population to post everything. If you live near St. Louis, you might want to visit their records buildings. I understand the family history old records have been divided to assist researchers. I tell you this second hand. So check it out first. Also, I did get a hit on pilot licensing for this in Missouri. As I recall, it was all the way across the state, maybe near Kansas City. They were not on line. I don't know if y'all have run into the same problem as I have. I wanted to research the Mississippi River mainly, but I was also looking for the Ohio and Missouri. I live in a small college town in Virginia. I had to have the resource librarian help me. She found nothing local. She had to requests books from elsewhere. I was disappointed in what I received. Maybe no one has taken on researching and writing the river history. From bits and pieces I found, this period is absolutely fascinating. It would make a wonderful television series. It is very colorful to say the least. I'm asking you fellow river rats is this an east coast problem or are there more comprehensive resources.available in that region. BTW, I should say I am looking for my gggrandfather, Dave White: born in Cumberland, Hazzard County, Kentucky; snuck away from Kentucky by dark of night to escape feuding ; walked to the Ohio; his wife Annie Mae and daughter Julia lived in St Louis County in the Bon Homme neighborhood; river man whole life; married a Champeau (French Canadian, Montreal fur trappers); in later life piloted a dredger for the Mississippi, which pulled a barge behind for living quarters; cook fell and was drowned around the year 1906 (have not news account of this accident); Julia White married William Anderson French around 1900. We have oral history for a connection to Nova Scotia, but no memory of who or when. I found that the British gathered all of the Nova Scotia natives and removed them to New Orleans at one point in history. Around 1836 a revolution status in Canada caused many Montreal residents and others to flee to New Orleans and start new lives. Some of these people may have been aliens and not citizen's. Sometimes, I see all of them as ghost figures that faded away as progress made them obsolete. This is what I have been told. I have not found any of these people that I can confirm, except Sarah and Edward(Edwin) French, William's parents. I believe they all have a history from New Orleans to Montreal and on the Missouri too. There is also a connection to Memphis, Scott County, Missouri. This is fairly close to Little New Orleans, which is located where MO and Iowa meet on the river. Good novel, not many facts. Welcome any tips or matches from the river rats. Happy hunting. jwa

Researching our ancestors that worked on the river during the steamboat/riverboat era is extremely rewarding. The stories from this time period has yet to be told in full. After 18 years of research and thousands of pages of documentation of two ancestors, following their careers on the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers, I would strongly advice you to never give up. The history is there, just hard to locate at times and for the most part, it's a piece at a time, as is most of historical documenting. The Herman T. Potts Waterways Library, St. Louis Mercantile Library at the University of Missouri is a wonderful repository for river research. Also will advise anyone for the Ohio River research to try the Cincinnati Library with their Inland Rivers collection. For photo's of steamboats make sure you try the University of Wisconsin at La Crosse with the Historic Steamboat Photographs. There are some paddlewheel and steamboat web sites that have blogs where you can post a question to or post your own information to. A simple web search for those will be rewarding. When I first started researching, I stumbled for a few years until learning the best way is to make those phone calls to repository's and visit them if you can. There are also many books, most being older, but helpful for some. A wonderful source is the newspapers from the time period, of the local towns where your ancestors lived. The larger towns would carry river columns with the comings and goings of the steamboats with mention of some of the members of the crew, especially the captain and clerks. Being a member for years of the Son's and Daughters of Pioneer Rivermen, I have found that the magazine that you receive is yet one more way of learning about our history on the river. The most important part of this type of research is perseverance because as stated before me "it's fascinating."

Ah, I had been working on so many variations of the Kuntz name that I misspelled "Kountz" in my last email! William J. Kountz, b. 1817 in Wellsville, Columbiana Co., OH piloted, captained and owned many steamboats, usually operating between Pittsburgh, New Orleans and St. Louis, then up to Fort Benton. My Capt. David Haney piloted and captained for him for many years. In the 1860 U.S. Census, my David Haney is listed as born in Kentucky. I have never found another reference to this and have not confirmed it. I did find a good bio about William J. Kountz this weekend. It says William J. Kountz was b. in OH, son of John Kountz and grandson of John Kountz of Westmoreland Co, PA. Of course, old Westmoreland County could be just about anywhere in central or western PA, but I am now working on that lead. Can you tell me more about Germanna Colony? Also in some notes about the Kountz Line... Sam Clemens was on the "City of Memphis", owned by Kountz. Kountz captained it in 1857, but I think Clemens co-captained it in 1860. Fun stuff! Laura > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I am the same. I do not know what line. I think licensing for captains may be the only hope. Last time I looked I could not find online. Dave White is my missing link. At the end of his career, he was operating a dredger on the Mississippi. I'll watch for yours and you watch for mine. I do not know his rank on the steamboats. I think he was a captain of his own boat in the end. He was born in Kentucky. The Kuntz name has been around since the 1700's. their issue may have something, perhaps logs. These Kuntz are from Germanna Colony. Just google for their discussion list and ask.

Present!! IKP In a message dated 2/19/2011 1:31:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, twinmom22@cox.net writes: I'm obviously still registered! Kathy At 08:24 PM 2/17/2011, you wrote: >Hi is anyone still on this list ? >Thanks, >Dianne > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am the same. I do not know what line. I think licensing for captains may be the only hope. Last time I looked I could not find online. Dave White is my missing link. At the end of his career, he was operating a dredger on the Mississippi. I'll watch for yours and you watch for mine. I do not know his rank on the steamboats. I think he was a captain of his own boat in the end. He was born in Kentucky. The Kuntz name has been around since the 1700's. their issue may have something, perhaps logs. These Kuntz are from Germanna Colony. Just google for their discussion list and ask. ----- Original Message -----. From: "Laura Anderson" <kalkowski@mindspring.com> To: riverrats@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 7:53:24 PM Subject: Re: [RIVERRATS] anyone? I am. I still work now and then on my Capt. David C. Haney, steamboat captain. He had ties to the Kuntz Line, 1840s-1870s. He was originally from around Pittsburgh, PA and died in 1873 in St. Louis. Still trying to find him in an early census... who were his parents/ siblings? Laura On Feb 18, 2011, at 1:00 AM, riverrats-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. anyone? (McGeesGirl@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:24:38 -0500 (EST) > From: McGeesGirl@aol.com > Subject: [RIVERRATS] anyone? > To: riverrats@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <e7b6f.7c0afa80.3a8f3266@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi is anyone still on this list ? > Thanks, > Dianne > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the RIVERRATS list administrator, send an email to > RIVERRATS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the RIVERRATS mailing list, send an email to RIVERRATS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of RIVERRATS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 > *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It does look like a wonderful book for anyone whose ancestors lived and worked on a river. There are many good, used copies available through Amazon's website, and the prices are very modest--under $10. -----Original Message----- From: riverrats-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:riverrats-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of McGeesGirl@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 7:53 AM To: riverrats@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RIVERRATS] anyone? Hello Everyone: I was just given the most wonderful gift by a dear friend. I have to spread the news about this book. NO this is not a spam or promo post. Im just so thrilled over it and wanted to share It is called "Photographs of a river life" by Deaf Maggie Lee Sayer Editied by Tom Rankin. They have copies on Amazon.com I just love seeing how my great grandfather William Titus & family must have lived.The author of the book was born 1920 Paducah Ky. hope everyone who doesnt already have the book gets a chance to see it. I have my great grandfathers pic on ancientfaces.com had hoped it was in the book but it wasnt. But it sure looks like one of her photos. She took alot of pics of folks with their big catch. Gar & buffalo,catfish. If anyone needs a look up I will see if your kin is in the book. She started taking the photos in 1930. Dianne in Indiana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Everyone: I was just given the most wonderful gift by a dear friend. I have to spread the news about this book. NO this is not a spam or promo post. Im just so thrilled over it and wanted to share It is called "Photographs of a river life" by Deaf Maggie Lee Sayer Editied by Tom Rankin. They have copies on Amazon.com I just love seeing how my great grandfather William Titus & family must have lived.The author of the book was born 1920 Paducah Ky. hope everyone who doesnt already have the book gets a chance to see it. I have my great grandfathers pic on ancientfaces.com had hoped it was in the book but it wasnt. But it sure looks like one of her photos. She took alot of pics of folks with their big catch. Gar & buffalo,catfish. If anyone needs a look up I will see if your kin is in the book. She started taking the photos in 1930. Dianne in Indiana

I'm here, but never see anything on this list. Gerrie In a message dated 2/19/2011 3:47:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, suewfisher@aol.com writes: I'm here! Sue -----Original Message----- From: sklegg@aol.com To: riverrats@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Feb 19, 2011 11:38 am Subject: Re: [RIVERRATS] anyone? me too -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Rippel <twinmom22@cox.net> To: riverrats@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Feb 19, 2011 2:29 am Subject: Re: [RIVERRATS] anyone? I'm obviously still registered! Kathy At 08:24 PM 2/17/2011, you wrote: Hi is anyone still on this list ? Thanks, Dianne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Still here and researching Finis Lyttaker a blacksmith that traveled on river boats applying his trade at each stop. Known on the Ohio and Mississippi. Also said to have skiffed it up the Illinois where he and family joined a wagon train to CA. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Laura Anderson <kalkowski@mindspring.com> Sender: riverrats-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:53:24 To: <riverrats@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: riverrats@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RIVERRATS] anyone? I am. I still work now and then on my Capt. David C. Haney, steamboat captain. He had ties to the Kuntz Line, 1840s-1870s. He was originally from around Pittsburgh, PA and died in 1873 in St. Louis. Still trying to find him in an early census... who were his parents/ siblings? Laura On Feb 18, 2011, at 1:00 AM, riverrats-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. anyone? (McGeesGirl@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:24:38 -0500 (EST) > From: McGeesGirl@aol.com > Subject: [RIVERRATS] anyone? > To: riverrats@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <e7b6f.7c0afa80.3a8f3266@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi is anyone still on this list ? > Thanks, > Dianne > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the RIVERRATS list administrator, send an email to > RIVERRATS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the RIVERRATS mailing list, send an email to RIVERRATS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of RIVERRATS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 > *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I am. I still work now and then on my Capt. David C. Haney, steamboat captain. He had ties to the Kuntz Line, 1840s-1870s. He was originally from around Pittsburgh, PA and died in 1873 in St. Louis. Still trying to find him in an early census... who were his parents/ siblings? Laura On Feb 18, 2011, at 1:00 AM, riverrats-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. anyone? (McGeesGirl@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:24:38 -0500 (EST) > From: McGeesGirl@aol.com > Subject: [RIVERRATS] anyone? > To: riverrats@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <e7b6f.7c0afa80.3a8f3266@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi is anyone still on this list ? > Thanks, > Dianne > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the RIVERRATS list administrator, send an email to > RIVERRATS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the RIVERRATS mailing list, send an email to RIVERRATS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of RIVERRATS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 > ***************************************

I'm here! Sue -----Original Message----- From: sklegg@aol.com To: riverrats@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Feb 19, 2011 11:38 am Subject: Re: [RIVERRATS] anyone? me too -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Rippel <twinmom22@cox.net> To: riverrats@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Feb 19, 2011 2:29 am Subject: Re: [RIVERRATS] anyone? I'm obviously still registered! Kathy At 08:24 PM 2/17/2011, you wrote: Hi is anyone still on this list ? Thanks, Dianne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIVERRATS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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