Have read that Mrs Taylor married John Shaw. My John was born ca 1815. Thank you. Viola.
Carol, Thank you for confirming the connection! Is the complete funeral sermon of United States Senator Elisha Mathewson available? Thanks again! Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Lydia MATHEWSON b.1701 m. Resolved WATERMAN > Joyce: > Yes, John Mathewson, "the cave-dweller" of Scituate, married > Deliverance. They met while he was on a trip to Boston: > "On his way, he passed a boiling spring, near a cottage; and being very > dry, he applied at the house for water. A young woman came out with a > pitcher and, in John's words, 'like Rebecca of old,' gave him to drink. > Returning home, he just happened to be again dry at the same place. He > called and was supplied. John says the acquaintance was thus > providentially > commenced. It ripened into marriage some year or two afterwards, in > 1698." > Those words, from my one-woman play, initially came from the funeral > sermon > of United States Senator Elisha Mathewson, great-grandson of John > Mathewson. > Sincerely, > Carole Emma Mathewson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joyce" <scritters@cox.net> > To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 3:07 PM > Subject: [RIPROVID] Lydia MATHEWSON b.1701 m. Resolved WATERMAN > > >> >> My line is through Lydia MATHEWSON b. 1701 d/o John MATHEWSON d. 1716 > Prov. >> RI m. 1698 Prov. RI, Deliverance MALAVERY. >> >> Is this the same John MATHESON being discussed? >> >> Joyce >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> >> To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson >> >> >> > Don: >> > The first white settler of Scituate was John Mathewson, son of the >> > immigrant James. John settled on the shore of Moswansicut Pond and > first >> > lived in a cave. In that setting, he fought off wolves. (Information >> > from >> > the funeral sermon of United States Senator Elisha Mathewson, >> > great-grandson >> > of John. The funeral sermon was handed down in my family.) John >> > Mathewson >> > was followed in Scituate by his brother, Thomas Mathewson (my >> > forebear), >> > who >> > took up land across the pond from his brother. In 1985, I wrote a >> > carefully >> > researched one-woman play concerning the early Mathewsons, early >> > Providence >> > and "the outlands." If you wish information about obtaining a copy of > the >> > play, please write to me at the below >> > e-mail address. >> > The immigrant James Mathewson arrived in Providence in the year >> > 1657. >> > He served as deputy to the assembly in 1680, and died two years later. > In >> > early Providence records, the name is variously spelled >> > "Matheson" and "Mathewson." We can only speculate concerning his > origin, >> > however, the spelling of the name minus the "w" is Scottish. >> > A distant cousin has recently shared with me his theory that James >> > might >> > have been captured by Cromwell's men at the Battle of Dunbar in >> > Scotland >> > and >> > brought to the Saugus Iron Mine in Massachusetts as an indentured >> > slave. >> > He >> > further theorizes that, having served the required time at Saugus, he > then >> > went to Providence. I would be interested in hearing the thoughts of >> > others >> > on the theory. >> > My books are in storage as I prepare to move to another town the > latter >> > part of September. When I become settled, I can refer you to books >> > concerning Scituate and concerning the Mattesons. >> > Sincerely, >> > Carole Emma Mathewson >> > mathewson1933@therim.com >> > (e-mail address will probably change the end of August) >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "DON TAYLOR" <directinstallationsinc@msn.com> >> > To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 6:15 AM >> > Subject: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> >> >> >Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >> >> >To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >> >> >Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Lydia Olney Phillips >> >> >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 02:07:54 -0700 >> >> >In response, my lineage, extending from the immigrant James Mathewson > of >> >> early Providence, follows thusly: Thomas I, Thomas II, Thomas III, >> > Charles, >> >> Dr. Harley, Edward, Harley, Carole. During the years in which I >> >> published >> >> the "Mathewson Gazette" (1983 to 1989), some of my readers believed > that >> >> Henry Matteson was a nephew of the immigrant James Mathewson. Another >> >> refuted the possibility. >> >> Carole Emma Mathewson >> >> Carole, >> >> Legend has it that Scituate, R.I. area was first settled by people >> > from >> >> Scituate, Mass. and that a Matteson was the first white settler there. > So >> >> was your immigrant James Mathewson from Mass. and then to R.I. or did > he >> >> immigrate from England? to Providence directly? Is your genealogy on >> >> rootsweb or anywhere online and do you know of anyone who has > researched >> > the >> >> family with the Matteson spelling variation? >> >> My earliest known Taylor ancestor is John b. ca. 1675 who married >> > Naomi >> >> Jordan and they settled at Scituate, R.I.. I am descended from their > son >> >> Benjamin. I have often wondered if the John and son Benjamin who was > the >> >> servant to the Matteson were an earlier generation. I understand that >> > early >> >> Providence meeting records were destryed by a fire so don't know where > to >> >> look to try and confirm my theory. Do you know the maiden name of >> >> Henry >> >> Matteson's wife, possibly a Taylor? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== >> >> Please do not FLAME this list - We are here to help each other and we > all >> > had to start somewhere. Flames just scare off good people...People who >> > might >> > someday be able to help you. >> >> >> >> ============================== >> >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Don, I know very little about Joseph Winsor, but I do have his birthdate as 4 Oct 1713 in Providence. Do you know more about him? I got my information off familysearch.org a few years ago & just have never verified it with better sources. Thanks! Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "DON TAYLOR" <directinstallationsinc@msn.com> To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:18 AM Subject: RE: Fw: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson > Kim, > Was this the Joseph Winsor born 1713 who was a minister? > Don Taylor > > >>From: "kimchristian50" <kimchristian50@hotmail.com> >>Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >>To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Fw: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson >>Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:14:56 -0600 >> > Winsor of Providence. Has anyone else heard of Deborah Mathewson? It > looks like she and Joseph moved away from Scituate to Gloucester > > > > ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== > Please remember that we need you to make this list work. Submit your > family queries and share family data with the list. An active list helps > us all! > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >
T. C. Parziale, Ship Passenger List of The "John &Sara" Out of London 1651 and bound for New England with Scottish Prisoners, available from www.usgennet.org/usa/topi...sara.html; (note on phonetic spelling of the names listed in Passengers to America: A Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists from the New England Historical and Genealogical Register, ed. Michael Tepper (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1977), 146-49, is based upon what an English speaking recorder thought that he heard the Gaelic speaking Highlanders pronounce. Additionally, Chief Andrew MacThomas of Finegand suggests that the individual listed as “Glester MackTomas” should perhaps be understood to be “Alistair” as “Glester” does not mean anything and is not a recognizable Scottish Christian name. Therefore, due to the phonetic spelling referenced above, perhaps these four men are better understood to be David McComie, John McColm, Alistair MacThomas, and Alexander Thomson. (read more at the Ross Clan of New England -- http://www.110.net/~pq1013/rossclan/http://www.110.net/~pq1013/rossclan/
In a message dated 8/20/2005 5:26:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mathewson1933@therim.com writes: > > I find your forebear connection to the Saugus Iron Works interesting, > along with the fact that your forebears who were at Saugus later > The committee suggested using the men as labour in the coal mines or transporting them to America, France or Ireland. In preparation for this the prisoners were moved to London. On November 11th Haselrig was told to deliver 150 prisoners to Augustine Walker, the master of the ship 'Unity' who would take them to New England. Walker sold his cargo for £20 to £30 per man. 60 men went to the Saugus iron works at Lynn (the first iron manufactory in N. America) and 15 men were sent to Berwick, Maine (a few others, exact number not given, went to nearby York Maine). This accounts for about half of Walker's cargo, we have to assume that the rest died as the last mention of the prisoners by the committee was that some of the sick men should be sent to the Blackwall pest house where the proprietor should be responsible for their keep and their recovery. -------------------------------------------------------------- source Trace your Scottish ancestry with Ar Turas. We are a small, dedicated team, based near Scotland's capital city, Edinburgh, offering a friendly, personal and professional service covering: Genealogy http://www.ar-turas.co.uk/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- this is a quote from MacThomas clan On the 18th of September, A.D. 1650 one hundred and fifty Scots, who were deemed well and sound, and free from wounds, were ordered to be sent to John Beex (Beech) and Joshua Foote to be shipped to New England. Captain Augustine Walker of the “Unity ” Beech and Foote consigned most of the Scottish prisoners to two businesses in Maine and Massachusetts in which Beech had an interest. Sixty-two of the Scots are known to have been sent to the Saugus Ironworks at Lynn, Massachusetts. The rest were sold as indentured servants to local residents source as cited by the Clan : Stephen P. Carlson, Scots at Hammersmith, [article on-line] (n. d. accessed 10 July, 2002); available from members.tripod.com/graytim/Saugus.htm; Internet.
In a message dated 8/21/2005 9:19:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, leeworks@tds.net writes: > I find the > mention of the iron woirks Sailing Ship John and Sara List of Servants (Scottish prisoners) sent to Thomas Kemble of Charles Town, New England, on the John &Sara of London. Gravesend, on November 8, 1651. Capt. John Greene dated November 11, 1651, Passengers to America pages 146-149 Scottish prisoners taken at Dun-bar (1650) and at Worcester in 1651 were sold into service in the colonies. (1652 on the ship John and Sara/sarah) The Scots Charitable Society of Boston-—the earliest Scottish society in America. A list of the passengers of the John and Sara is given in the Suffolk Deed Records, book 1. pp. 5-6. and in Drake's work on the Founders of New England. These prisoners worked out their terms of servitude at the Lynn/Saugus iron works This is a quote from "Clan MacThomas" Two hundred and seventy-two of these prisoners were sent to Thomas Kemble of Charlestown, Massachusetts aboard a ship called the “John and Sara .” Thomas Kemble and his partner Valentine Hill owned mills at Durham Falls and Lamprey River. Likewise, Kemble owned extensive lands in Maine from which he conducted a successful lumber business. Kemble utilized the strong young Scots in his mills in Massachusetts and his sawmills in Maine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------- Ship UNITY is mentioned on "The Ross Clan" http://www.110.net/~pq1013/rossclan/ the passenger list was mentioned somewhere on the archives at rootsweb a year or so ago (still looking for it)
Although I have not gotten any closer on my Lydia Phillips, I find the mention of the iron woirks interesting. It seems that my Neal ancesters came here through this route. Phillips is on mother's side and Neal on father's. John Neal settled in Maine after his indenture. I find the earlier connects of all the families I am researching very interesting. Thanks for all your help. Lee
In a message dated 8/20/2005 8:14:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mathewson1933@therim.com writes: > > Joyce: > Yes, John Mathewson, "the cave-dweller" of Scituate, married > Deliverance. They met while he was on a trip to Boston: > "On his way, he passed a boiling spring, near a cottage; and being very > dry, he applied at the house for water. A young woman came out with a Joyce, would you tell me more about the play? An interesting story..... we have a family "heirloom" the hermit of the Adirondack Mountains... jean
I have been following this discussion and am wondering how Henry Matteson connects. As far as I can determine my line of descent is as follows: Francis, Henry (the immigrant), Thomas, Thomas, Richard, and Mary Matteson (b. bet. 1757-1761; d. 7 June, 1852) who married Corpe (Corps) Essex in Warwick, Kent, Rhode Island. Mary Matteson is my gr-gr-gr-grandmother. Can anyone tell me how the immigrant James Mathewson connects to Henry Matteson or is there no connection? Thank you. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "DON TAYLOR" <directinstallationsinc@msn.com> To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Lydia Olney Phillips > Carole, > How far back have you traced your Mathewson's. There have been a > marriage or two between Taylor's and Mathewson's. I found an indenture for > a Benjamin Taylor where his father placed him in the care of a Mathewson > or Matteson at age nine to learn to make shoes. I believe it was a Henry > Matteson, but I would have to look it up to be sure. Have you ever come > across this in your Providence research? > Don Taylor > > >>From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> >>Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >>To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Lydia Olney Phillips >>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:23:01 -0700 >> > I have been waiting for someone to respond to the below. It is my > understanding that the purpose of this list is allow people to help one > another in a kind manner. This type of response makes me reluctant to ask > questions online. Let's remember to respond in a kind manner. > Carole Mathewson > I have been waiting for someone to respond to the below. It is my > understanding that the purpose of this list is allow people to help one > another in a kind manner. This type of response makes me reluctant to ask > questions online. Let's remember to respond in a kind manner. > Carole Mathewson > > > > ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== > Please remember that we need you to make this list work. Submit your > family queries and share family data with the list. An active list helps > us all! > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >
Pam: Thomas Mathewson (son of the immigrant James) did in fact marry Martha Sheldon. I would have to study the several hundred pages of the "Mathewson Gazette" to find names of their children. Carole Emma Mathewson ----- Original Message ----- From: "kimchristian50" <kimchristian50@hotmail.com> To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:14 PM Subject: Fw: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson > I have been quietly enjoying the Scituate discussion, until I realized that > I have research I've never confirmed that links me to the same Thomas son of > James Mathewson (the immigrant). My research says Thomas married Martha > Sheldon of Providence and had a daughter named Deborah b. 1716, who married > Joseph Winsor of Providence. Has anyone else heard of Deborah Mathewson? > It looks like she and Joseph moved away from Scituate to Gloucester. > > Thanks for any help! > Pam > > >> > >> >From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> > >> >Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com > >> >To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com > >> >Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson > >> >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:08:57 -0700 > >> Don: > >> The first white settler of Scituate was John Mathewson, son of the > >> immigrant James. John settled on the shore of Moswansicut Pond and first > >> lived in a cave. In that setting, he fought off wolves. (Information > > from > >> the funeral sermon of United States Senator Elisha Mathewson, > > great-grandson > >> of John. The funeral sermon was handed down in my family.) John > > Mathewson > >> was followed in Scituate by his brother, Thomas Mathewson (my forebear), > > who > >> took up land across the pond from his brother. In 1985, I wrote a > > carefully > >> researched one-woman play concerning the early Mathewsons, early > > Providence > >> and "the outlands." If you wish information about obtaining a copy of > >> the > >> play, please write to me at the below > >> e-mail address. > >> The immigrant James Mathewson arrived in Providence in the year 1657. > >> He served as deputy to the assembly in 1680, and died two years later. > >> In > >> early Providence records, the name is variously spelled > >> "Matheson" and "Mathewson." We can only speculate concerning his origin, > >> however, the spelling of the name minus the "w" is Scottish. > >> A distant cousin has recently shared with me his theory that James > > might > >> have been captured by Cromwell's men at the Battle of Dunbar in Scotland > > and > >> brought to the Saugus Iron Mine in Massachusetts as an indentured slave. > > He > >> further theorizes that, having served the required time at Saugus, he > >> then > >> went to Providence. I would be interested in hearing the thoughts of > > others > >> on the theory. > >> My books are in storage as I prepare to move to another town the > > latter > >> part of September. When I become settled, I can refer you to books > >> concerning Scituate and concerning the Mattesons. > >> Sincerely, > >> Carole Emma Mathewson > >> mathewson1933@therim.com > >> (e-mail address will probably change the end of August) > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== > >> Please do not FLAME this list - We are here to help each other and we all > > had to start somewhere. Flames just scare off good people...People who > > might > > someday be able to help you. > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >> > >> --- > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > --- > > > > > > ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== > > Please remember that we need you to make this list work. Submit your > > family queries and share family data with the list. An active list helps > > us all! > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== > You can contact the list administrator at GFSBrenda@aol.com > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > --- > > > ---
I have been quietly enjoying the Scituate discussion, until I realized that I have research I've never confirmed that links me to the same Thomas son of James Mathewson (the immigrant). My research says Thomas married Martha Sheldon of Providence and had a daughter named Deborah b. 1716, who married Joseph Winsor of Providence. Has anyone else heard of Deborah Mathewson? It looks like she and Joseph moved away from Scituate to Gloucester. Thanks for any help! Pam >> >> >From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> >> >Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >> >To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson >> >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:08:57 -0700 >> Don: >> The first white settler of Scituate was John Mathewson, son of the >> immigrant James. John settled on the shore of Moswansicut Pond and first >> lived in a cave. In that setting, he fought off wolves. (Information > from >> the funeral sermon of United States Senator Elisha Mathewson, > great-grandson >> of John. The funeral sermon was handed down in my family.) John > Mathewson >> was followed in Scituate by his brother, Thomas Mathewson (my forebear), > who >> took up land across the pond from his brother. In 1985, I wrote a > carefully >> researched one-woman play concerning the early Mathewsons, early > Providence >> and "the outlands." If you wish information about obtaining a copy of >> the >> play, please write to me at the below >> e-mail address. >> The immigrant James Mathewson arrived in Providence in the year 1657. >> He served as deputy to the assembly in 1680, and died two years later. >> In >> early Providence records, the name is variously spelled >> "Matheson" and "Mathewson." We can only speculate concerning his origin, >> however, the spelling of the name minus the "w" is Scottish. >> A distant cousin has recently shared with me his theory that James > might >> have been captured by Cromwell's men at the Battle of Dunbar in Scotland > and >> brought to the Saugus Iron Mine in Massachusetts as an indentured slave. > He >> further theorizes that, having served the required time at Saugus, he >> then >> went to Providence. I would be interested in hearing the thoughts of > others >> on the theory. >> My books are in storage as I prepare to move to another town the > latter >> part of September. When I become settled, I can refer you to books >> concerning Scituate and concerning the Mattesons. >> Sincerely, >> Carole Emma Mathewson >> mathewson1933@therim.com >> (e-mail address will probably change the end of August) >> >> >> >> ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== >> Please do not FLAME this list - We are here to help each other and we all > had to start somewhere. Flames just scare off good people...People who > might > someday be able to help you. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> --- >> >> >> > > > --- > > > ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== > Please remember that we need you to make this list work. Submit your > family queries and share family data with the list. An active list helps > us all! > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >
My line is through Lydia MATHEWSON b. 1701 d/o John MATHEWSON d. 1716 Prov. RI m. 1698 Prov. RI, Deliverance MALAVERY. Is this the same John MATHESON being discussed? Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson > Don: > The first white settler of Scituate was John Mathewson, son of the > immigrant James. John settled on the shore of Moswansicut Pond and first > lived in a cave. In that setting, he fought off wolves. (Information > from > the funeral sermon of United States Senator Elisha Mathewson, > great-grandson > of John. The funeral sermon was handed down in my family.) John > Mathewson > was followed in Scituate by his brother, Thomas Mathewson (my forebear), > who > took up land across the pond from his brother. In 1985, I wrote a > carefully > researched one-woman play concerning the early Mathewsons, early > Providence > and "the outlands." If you wish information about obtaining a copy of the > play, please write to me at the below > e-mail address. > The immigrant James Mathewson arrived in Providence in the year 1657. > He served as deputy to the assembly in 1680, and died two years later. In > early Providence records, the name is variously spelled > "Matheson" and "Mathewson." We can only speculate concerning his origin, > however, the spelling of the name minus the "w" is Scottish. > A distant cousin has recently shared with me his theory that James > might > have been captured by Cromwell's men at the Battle of Dunbar in Scotland > and > brought to the Saugus Iron Mine in Massachusetts as an indentured slave. > He > further theorizes that, having served the required time at Saugus, he then > went to Providence. I would be interested in hearing the thoughts of > others > on the theory. > My books are in storage as I prepare to move to another town the latter > part of September. When I become settled, I can refer you to books > concerning Scituate and concerning the Mattesons. > Sincerely, > Carole Emma Mathewson > mathewson1933@therim.com > (e-mail address will probably change the end of August) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DON TAYLOR" <directinstallationsinc@msn.com> > To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 6:15 AM > Subject: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson > > >> >> >> >> >From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> >> >Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >> >To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Lydia Olney Phillips >> >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 02:07:54 -0700 >> >In response, my lineage, extending from the immigrant James Mathewson of >> early Providence, follows thusly: Thomas I, Thomas II, Thomas III, > Charles, >> Dr. Harley, Edward, Harley, Carole. During the years in which I >> published >> the "Mathewson Gazette" (1983 to 1989), some of my readers believed that >> Henry Matteson was a nephew of the immigrant James Mathewson. Another >> refuted the possibility. >> Carole Emma Mathewson >> Carole, >> Legend has it that Scituate, R.I. area was first settled by people > from >> Scituate, Mass. and that a Matteson was the first white settler there. So >> was your immigrant James Mathewson from Mass. and then to R.I. or did he >> immigrate from England? to Providence directly? Is your genealogy on >> rootsweb or anywhere online and do you know of anyone who has researched > the >> family with the Matteson spelling variation? >> My earliest known Taylor ancestor is John b. ca. 1675 who married > Naomi >> Jordan and they settled at Scituate, R.I.. I am descended from their son >> Benjamin. I have often wondered if the John and son Benjamin who was the >> servant to the Matteson were an earlier generation. I understand that > early >> Providence meeting records were destryed by a fire so don't know where to >> look to try and confirm my theory. Do you know the maiden name of Henry >> Matteson's wife, possibly a Taylor? >> >> >> >> ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== >> Please do not FLAME this list - We are here to help each other and we all > had to start somewhere. Flames just scare off good people...People who > might > someday be able to help you. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> --- >> >> >> > > > --- > > > ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== > You can contact the list administrator at GFSBrenda@aol.com > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >
Joyce: Yes, John Mathewson, "the cave-dweller" of Scituate, married Deliverance. They met while he was on a trip to Boston: "On his way, he passed a boiling spring, near a cottage; and being very dry, he applied at the house for water. A young woman came out with a pitcher and, in John's words, 'like Rebecca of old,' gave him to drink. Returning home, he just happened to be again dry at the same place. He called and was supplied. John says the acquaintance was thus providentially commenced. It ripened into marriage some year or two afterwards, in 1698." Those words, from my one-woman play, initially came from the funeral sermon of United States Senator Elisha Mathewson, great-grandson of John Mathewson. Sincerely, Carole Emma Mathewson ----- Original Message ----- From: "joyce" <scritters@cox.net> To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: [RIPROVID] Lydia MATHEWSON b.1701 m. Resolved WATERMAN > > My line is through Lydia MATHEWSON b. 1701 d/o John MATHEWSON d. 1716 Prov. > RI m. 1698 Prov. RI, Deliverance MALAVERY. > > Is this the same John MATHESON being discussed? > > Joyce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> > To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson > > > > Don: > > The first white settler of Scituate was John Mathewson, son of the > > immigrant James. John settled on the shore of Moswansicut Pond and first > > lived in a cave. In that setting, he fought off wolves. (Information > > from > > the funeral sermon of United States Senator Elisha Mathewson, > > great-grandson > > of John. The funeral sermon was handed down in my family.) John > > Mathewson > > was followed in Scituate by his brother, Thomas Mathewson (my forebear), > > who > > took up land across the pond from his brother. In 1985, I wrote a > > carefully > > researched one-woman play concerning the early Mathewsons, early > > Providence > > and "the outlands." If you wish information about obtaining a copy of the > > play, please write to me at the below > > e-mail address. > > The immigrant James Mathewson arrived in Providence in the year 1657. > > He served as deputy to the assembly in 1680, and died two years later. In > > early Providence records, the name is variously spelled > > "Matheson" and "Mathewson." We can only speculate concerning his origin, > > however, the spelling of the name minus the "w" is Scottish. > > A distant cousin has recently shared with me his theory that James > > might > > have been captured by Cromwell's men at the Battle of Dunbar in Scotland > > and > > brought to the Saugus Iron Mine in Massachusetts as an indentured slave. > > He > > further theorizes that, having served the required time at Saugus, he then > > went to Providence. I would be interested in hearing the thoughts of > > others > > on the theory. > > My books are in storage as I prepare to move to another town the latter > > part of September. When I become settled, I can refer you to books > > concerning Scituate and concerning the Mattesons. > > Sincerely, > > Carole Emma Mathewson > > mathewson1933@therim.com > > (e-mail address will probably change the end of August) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "DON TAYLOR" <directinstallationsinc@msn.com> > > To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 6:15 AM > > Subject: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> >From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> > >> >Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com > >> >To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com > >> >Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Lydia Olney Phillips > >> >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 02:07:54 -0700 > >> >In response, my lineage, extending from the immigrant James Mathewson of > >> early Providence, follows thusly: Thomas I, Thomas II, Thomas III, > > Charles, > >> Dr. Harley, Edward, Harley, Carole. During the years in which I > >> published > >> the "Mathewson Gazette" (1983 to 1989), some of my readers believed that > >> Henry Matteson was a nephew of the immigrant James Mathewson. Another > >> refuted the possibility. > >> Carole Emma Mathewson > >> Carole, > >> Legend has it that Scituate, R.I. area was first settled by people > > from > >> Scituate, Mass. and that a Matteson was the first white settler there. So > >> was your immigrant James Mathewson from Mass. and then to R.I. or did he > >> immigrate from England? to Providence directly? Is your genealogy on > >> rootsweb or anywhere online and do you know of anyone who has researched > > the > >> family with the Matteson spelling variation? > >> My earliest known Taylor ancestor is John b. ca. 1675 who married > > Naomi > >> Jordan and they settled at Scituate, R.I.. I am descended from their son > >> Benjamin. I have often wondered if the John and son Benjamin who was the > >> servant to the Matteson were an earlier generation. I understand that > > early > >> Providence meeting records were destryed by a fire so don't know where to > >> look to try and confirm my theory. Do you know the maiden name of Henry > >> Matteson's wife, possibly a Taylor? > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== > >> Please do not FLAME this list - We are here to help each other and we all > > had to start somewhere. Flames just scare off good people...People who > > might > > someday be able to help you. > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Carole, I stand corrected on the original in Scituate. I have seen it spelled Matteson at the Scituate library. The theory of the Scottish immigrant interests me. I have taken part in a Taylor surname y-dna study and didn't match any Taylor's. I did match four other surnames, one of them Anderson in Scotland and another of obvious Scottish origin, MacQuarrie in Australia. The difference in surnames could be explained by a common ancestor in Scotland before the general use of surnames. There were several Taylor's brought to Saugus. My John, b. ca. 1675 married Naomi Jordan at Milton, Ma. and then settled at Scituate, R.I. Naomi's sister married David Sprague who became a Baptist preacher and also settled at Scituate, R.I. There was also a Jordan man brought to Saugus Iron Works. I have wondered if they were both descended from Scottish immigrants and the families knew each other down to their generation. All speculation until some missing connections can be found, if ever. Could the Mathewson and Taylor families have been known or related to each other and that's why John placed his nine year old son Benjamin with the Mathewson/Matteson couple? Could David Sprague have met John Taylor in Scituate and introduced him to his sister-in-law Naomi Jordan? If I live long enough I may find the answers, so I keep looking and theorizing. Don Taylor >From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> >Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:08:57 -0700 Don: The first white settler of Scituate was John Mathewson, son of the immigrant James. John settled on the shore of Moswansicut Pond and first lived in a cave. In that setting, he fought off wolves. (Information from the funeral sermon of United States Senator Elisha Mathewson, great-grandson of John. The funeral sermon was handed down in my family.) John Mathewson was followed in Scituate by his brother, Thomas Mathewson (my forebear), who took up land across the pond from his brother. In 1985, I wrote a carefully researched one-woman play concerning the early Mathewsons, early Providence and "the outlands." If you wish information about obtaining a copy of the play, please write to me at the below e-mail address. The immigrant James Mathewson arrived in Providence in the year 1657. He served as deputy to the assembly in 1680, and died two years later. In early Providence records, the name is variously spelled "Matheson" and "Mathewson." We can only speculate concerning his origin, however, the spelling of the name minus the "w" is Scottish. A distant cousin has recently shared with me his theory that James might have been captured by Cromwell's men at the Battle of Dunbar in Scotland and brought to the Saugus Iron Mine in Massachusetts as an indentured slave. He further theorizes that, having served the required time at Saugus, he then went to Providence. I would be interested in hearing the thoughts of others on the theory. My books are in storage as I prepare to move to another town the latter part of September. When I become settled, I can refer you to books concerning Scituate and concerning the Mattesons. Sincerely, Carole Emma Mathewson mathewson1933@therim.com (e-mail address will probably change the end of August)
Don: I find your forebear connection to the Saugus Iron Works interesting, along with the fact that your forebears who were at Saugus later went to the Providence (Scituate) area. They perhaps could no longer endure Puritans and chose to try the Roger Williams way of life. It's fun to speculate as to what happened long ago, and why. Was the historic David Sprague, who you mentioned, a forebear of William Sprague who organized and outfitted Rhode Island troops during the Civil War? Sincerely, Carole Emma Mathewson ----- Original Message ----- From: "DON TAYLOR" <directinstallationsinc@msn.com> To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson > Carole, > I stand corrected on the original in Scituate. I have seen it spelled > Matteson at the Scituate library. The theory of the Scottish immigrant > interests me. I have taken part in a Taylor surname y-dna study and didn't > match any Taylor's. I did match four other surnames, one of them Anderson in > Scotland and another of obvious Scottish origin, MacQuarrie in Australia. > The difference in surnames could be explained by a common ancestor in > Scotland before the general use of surnames. There were several Taylor's > brought to Saugus. My John, b. ca. 1675 married Naomi Jordan at Milton, Ma. > and then settled at Scituate, R.I. Naomi's sister married David Sprague who > became a Baptist preacher and also settled at Scituate, R.I. There was also > a Jordan man brought to Saugus Iron Works. I have wondered if they were both > descended from Scottish immigrants and the families knew each other down to > their generation. All speculation until some missing connections can be > found, if ever. Could the Mathewson and Taylor families have been known or > related to each other and that's why John placed his nine year old son > Benjamin with the Mathewson/Matteson couple? Could David Sprague have met > John Taylor in Scituate and introduced him to his sister-in-law Naomi > Jordan? If I live long enough I may find the answers, so I keep looking and > theorizing. > Don Taylor > > > >From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> > >Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com > >To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson > >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:08:57 -0700 > Don: > The first white settler of Scituate was John Mathewson, son of the > immigrant James. John settled on the shore of Moswansicut Pond and first > lived in a cave. In that setting, he fought off wolves. (Information from > the funeral sermon of United States Senator Elisha Mathewson, great-grandson > of John. The funeral sermon was handed down in my family.) John Mathewson > was followed in Scituate by his brother, Thomas Mathewson (my forebear), who > took up land across the pond from his brother. In 1985, I wrote a carefully > researched one-woman play concerning the early Mathewsons, early Providence > and "the outlands." If you wish information about obtaining a copy of the > play, please write to me at the below > e-mail address. > The immigrant James Mathewson arrived in Providence in the year 1657. > He served as deputy to the assembly in 1680, and died two years later. In > early Providence records, the name is variously spelled > "Matheson" and "Mathewson." We can only speculate concerning his origin, > however, the spelling of the name minus the "w" is Scottish. > A distant cousin has recently shared with me his theory that James might > have been captured by Cromwell's men at the Battle of Dunbar in Scotland and > brought to the Saugus Iron Mine in Massachusetts as an indentured slave. He > further theorizes that, having served the required time at Saugus, he then > went to Providence. I would be interested in hearing the thoughts of others > on the theory. > My books are in storage as I prepare to move to another town the latter > part of September. When I become settled, I can refer you to books > concerning Scituate and concerning the Mattesons. > Sincerely, > Carole Emma Mathewson > mathewson1933@therim.com > (e-mail address will probably change the end of August) > > > > ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== > Please do not FLAME this list - We are here to help each other and we all had to start somewhere. Flames just scare off good people...People who might someday be able to help you. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > --- > > > ---
>From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> >Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Lydia Olney Phillips >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 02:07:54 -0700 >In response, my lineage, extending from the immigrant James Mathewson of early Providence, follows thusly: Thomas I, Thomas II, Thomas III, Charles, Dr. Harley, Edward, Harley, Carole. During the years in which I published the "Mathewson Gazette" (1983 to 1989), some of my readers believed that Henry Matteson was a nephew of the immigrant James Mathewson. Another refuted the possibility. Carole Emma Mathewson Carole, Legend has it that Scituate, R.I. area was first settled by people from Scituate, Mass. and that a Matteson was the first white settler there. So was your immigrant James Mathewson from Mass. and then to R.I. or did he immigrate from England? to Providence directly? Is your genealogy on rootsweb or anywhere online and do you know of anyone who has researched the family with the Matteson spelling variation? My earliest known Taylor ancestor is John b. ca. 1675 who married Naomi Jordan and they settled at Scituate, R.I.. I am descended from their son Benjamin. I have often wondered if the John and son Benjamin who was the servant to the Matteson were an earlier generation. I understand that early Providence meeting records were destryed by a fire so don't know where to look to try and confirm my theory. Do you know the maiden name of Henry Matteson's wife, possibly a Taylor?
Don: The first white settler of Scituate was John Mathewson, son of the immigrant James. John settled on the shore of Moswansicut Pond and first lived in a cave. In that setting, he fought off wolves. (Information from the funeral sermon of United States Senator Elisha Mathewson, great-grandson of John. The funeral sermon was handed down in my family.) John Mathewson was followed in Scituate by his brother, Thomas Mathewson (my forebear), who took up land across the pond from his brother. In 1985, I wrote a carefully researched one-woman play concerning the early Mathewsons, early Providence and "the outlands." If you wish information about obtaining a copy of the play, please write to me at the below e-mail address. The immigrant James Mathewson arrived in Providence in the year 1657. He served as deputy to the assembly in 1680, and died two years later. In early Providence records, the name is variously spelled "Matheson" and "Mathewson." We can only speculate concerning his origin, however, the spelling of the name minus the "w" is Scottish. A distant cousin has recently shared with me his theory that James might have been captured by Cromwell's men at the Battle of Dunbar in Scotland and brought to the Saugus Iron Mine in Massachusetts as an indentured slave. He further theorizes that, having served the required time at Saugus, he then went to Providence. I would be interested in hearing the thoughts of others on the theory. My books are in storage as I prepare to move to another town the latter part of September. When I become settled, I can refer you to books concerning Scituate and concerning the Mattesons. Sincerely, Carole Emma Mathewson mathewson1933@therim.com (e-mail address will probably change the end of August) ----- Original Message ----- From: "DON TAYLOR" <directinstallationsinc@msn.com> To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 6:15 AM Subject: [RIPROVID] Re: [RIPROVIDMathewson/Matteson > > > > >From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> > >Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com > >To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Lydia Olney Phillips > >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 02:07:54 -0700 > >In response, my lineage, extending from the immigrant James Mathewson of > early Providence, follows thusly: Thomas I, Thomas II, Thomas III, Charles, > Dr. Harley, Edward, Harley, Carole. During the years in which I published > the "Mathewson Gazette" (1983 to 1989), some of my readers believed that > Henry Matteson was a nephew of the immigrant James Mathewson. Another > refuted the possibility. > Carole Emma Mathewson > Carole, > Legend has it that Scituate, R.I. area was first settled by people from > Scituate, Mass. and that a Matteson was the first white settler there. So > was your immigrant James Mathewson from Mass. and then to R.I. or did he > immigrate from England? to Providence directly? Is your genealogy on > rootsweb or anywhere online and do you know of anyone who has researched the > family with the Matteson spelling variation? > My earliest known Taylor ancestor is John b. ca. 1675 who married Naomi > Jordan and they settled at Scituate, R.I.. I am descended from their son > Benjamin. I have often wondered if the John and son Benjamin who was the > servant to the Matteson were an earlier generation. I understand that early > Providence meeting records were destryed by a fire so don't know where to > look to try and confirm my theory. Do you know the maiden name of Henry > Matteson's wife, possibly a Taylor? > > > > ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== > Please do not FLAME this list - We are here to help each other and we all had to start somewhere. Flames just scare off good people...People who might someday be able to help you. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > --- > > > ---
In response, my lineage, extending from the immigrant James Mathewson of early Providence, follows thusly: Thomas I, Thomas II, Thomas III, Charles, Dr. Harley, Edward, Harley, Carole. During the years in which I published the "Mathewson Gazette" (1983 to 1989), some of my readers believed that Henry Matteson was a nephew of the immigrant James Mathewson. Another refuted the possibility. Carole Emma Mathewson ----- Original Message ----- From: "DON TAYLOR" <directinstallationsinc@msn.com> To: <RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Lydia Olney Phillips > Carole, > How far back have you traced your Mathewson's. There have been a > marriage or two between Taylor's and Mathewson's. I found an indenture for a > Benjamin Taylor where his father placed him in the care of a Mathewson or > Matteson at age nine to learn to make shoes. I believe it was a Henry > Matteson, but I would have to look it up to be sure. Have you ever come > across this in your Providence research? > Don Taylor > > > >From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> > >Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com > >To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Lydia Olney Phillips > >Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:23:01 -0700 > > > I have been waiting for someone to respond to the below. It is my > understanding that the purpose of this list is allow people to help one > another in a kind manner. This type of response makes me reluctant to ask > questions online. Let's remember to respond in a kind manner. > Carole Mathewson > I have been waiting for someone to respond to the below. It is my > understanding that the purpose of this list is allow people to help one > another in a kind manner. This type of response makes me reluctant to ask > questions online. Let's remember to respond in a kind manner. > Carole Mathewson > > > > ==== RIPROVID Mailing List ==== > Please remember that we need you to make this list work. Submit your family queries and share family data with the list. An active list helps us all! > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > --- > > > ---
Carole, How far back have you traced your Mathewson's. There have been a marriage or two between Taylor's and Mathewson's. I found an indenture for a Benjamin Taylor where his father placed him in the care of a Mathewson or Matteson at age nine to learn to make shoes. I believe it was a Henry Matteson, but I would have to look it up to be sure. Have you ever come across this in your Providence research? Don Taylor >From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> >Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Lydia Olney Phillips >Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:23:01 -0700 > I have been waiting for someone to respond to the below. It is my understanding that the purpose of this list is allow people to help one another in a kind manner. This type of response makes me reluctant to ask questions online. Let's remember to respond in a kind manner. Carole Mathewson I have been waiting for someone to respond to the below. It is my understanding that the purpose of this list is allow people to help one another in a kind manner. This type of response makes me reluctant to ask questions online. Let's remember to respond in a kind manner. Carole Mathewson
Carole, Jean and I are related and often make poke fun at each other. I thought that anyone would be able to see that since I signed as "cousin Don" I would never respond to another person in this way. But yes, the pupose of the list is to help each other and I did answer her question. I have spent many hours doing lookups for and sharing information with people on this list and others and will continue to do that. Sorry if you were offended in some way. Don Taylor >From: "mathewson1933@therim" <mathewson1933@therim.com> >Reply-To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >To: RIPROVID-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [RIPROVID] Lydia Olney Phillips >Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:23:01 -0700 >I have been waiting for someone to respond to the below. It is my understanding that the purpose of this list is allow people to help one another in a kind manner. This type of response makes me reluctant to ask questions online. Let's remember to respond in a kind manner. Carole Mathewson