hello Debbie....just going thru some old emails I kept for a later date....finally getting to it.... I have Field/Fields in RI, but having trouble getting past Albert H Field or Albert W Field......His marriage record says Albert H and his sons' marriage record says name of father Albert W....no other informations.....so hard to tell who his parents are.....wife is Amanda (I found Amanda Field in 1880 living with father Isaac Lawton and sons George A and William H. both Albert and Amanda seem to have been born in or around 1857 Does any of this seem familiar?. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie F Murphy" <msfields@embarqmail.com> To: <rigenweb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [RI] Genealogical research , > > worked so hard on my ROUSE line. > > We are all standing on the shoulders of the researchers who came before us > who did the nitty-gritty research before computer programs, genealogy > lists > and internet sites, those like Allen who just did what he could because he > loved it. > > So lets all keep that in mind as we all try to help each other. Some have > more to give in one place than in another! > > *** Paying forward genealogical acts of kindness in memory of Levis Allen > Churchill*** > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/churchill.html > > Debbie Fields Murphy > > Researching Field(s), Speight (5 different lines done back to first > Speight > to come to America...if anyone needs info email me, but please be > patient!), > Rogers/Rodgers, Beaman and Sawrey/Sorrow/ (various spellings), Lang, > Tyson, > Whitley, Rouse, Braxton, Galloway, Eason, and related lines in Greene, > Lenoir and Pitt Counties, NC and elsewhere in the USA. > > *Whoever said "Seek and ye shall find" was not a genealogist.............. > > YOU have: > > 2 parents: > 4 grandparents: > 8 great-grandparents: > 16 gg grandparents: > 32 ggg grandparents: > 64 gggg grandparents: > 128 ggggg grandparents: > 256 gggggg grandparents: > 512 ggggggg grandparents: > 1024 gggggggg grandparents: > 2058 ggggggggg grandparents: > 4096 gggggggggg grandparents: > > and people ask me, > "Isn't your family tree finished yet?" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Perllan987@aol.com> > To: <bonnie.travel@sympatico.ca>; <rigenweb@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: [RI] Genealogical research > > Bonnie: See below for my comments on your comments. Jayne > > In a message dated 1/18/2008 12:21:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > bonnie.travel@sympatico.ca writes: > > I just want to say that my genealogy is on Worldconnect, but not my notes > or > sources. > > If someone is seriously looking for one of my individuals, I will divulge > my > notes, and help as much as I can, but I refuse to put all my 40+ years of > research out there, for anyone to grab. > > There are so many newbies in genealogy, that they grasp the first whiff > of > a > clue, and run helter skelter. > > I belong to the Baker DNA group, and it is amazing, that even in the > haplo-groups, they argue constantly, about who is who, or when or where. > > Anyone that is serious about genealogy, knows, that proof, facts, are > what > matter. Not hearsay. > > Everyone on this list for any length of time, knows how serious we are > about > our facts. Just ask Jane, Arlan, Donna, Nancy-Jo, Charlie, etc, etc, too > many to name. > > The people who come to us from the Digest list, like to pick our brains. > They think monitoring is going to give them all they need, when they > should > be > in the full discussion. > > I am sorry if I sound skeptical, that's my nature. > Too many people pick my brain, and Donna's and Charlie's, and Jane's, > etc. > > We all love to share, and help, but sometimes, people just expect us to > do > all the work. > > Bonnie > oitori > > > > Dear Bonnie: > > I, too, have my genealogy info on WorldConnect, and also without Notes > and > Sources, mostly for security reasons. If someone contacts me for > information > about someone or some family that I have, I send them the whole kit and > caboodle without question. Sometimes I get no thanks and sometimes I get > a > lot of > thanks. That's the way people are. I have 13,000+ people in my database; > a > good > number of them have pages and pages of Notes; others, of course, have > little. > > I have noticed that you and others on the RI list (of which I have been a > member since 1997 so I feel that I, too, am an old RI hand, but am not > included > in the elite because I ask questions about my RI ancestors rather than > answering them) seem to feel that the rest of us are just trying to grab > info > without caring what it is or feeling grateful to you old hands for what > you > give > us. What you do not realize is that some of us, maybe all of us, I don't > know > all of them so I can't say, help others with their genealogy where we can, > and that can amount to a great deal of help. In addition to giving people > parts > of my gedcom as I mentioned above, I have, over the years, maintained an > ongoing relationship with people who are researching the same lines that I > am, > to wit, OLDS (NY, MA), ROSE (RI, NY), PECK (RI, NY), BEALE (VA, NC), > etc. > When one of us accesses information, we share it with the others in our > research circle. > > The trouble with RI, as far as I'm concerned, is that all of my mother's > lines but one (which came directly from England to NYS) moved from RI to > NYS > around the end of the 18th century. I cannot get back beyond my ggg > grandfathers, Christopher ELLIS and John PECK, who were born in RI in the > late 1700s, or > the ancestors of my BOWENs, POTTERs, etc. I know that others have that > same > problem, they cannot find the birth and parents of their ancestors who > moved > from New England to NYS. I was lucky that BUTTON has been very well > documented > in all of New England and New York, why, I don't know when others are > not. > BUTTON FAMILIES OF AMERICA has been a big help, but libraries, etc. also > have > information about them. So since I cannot find information in RI on the > lines > mentioned above, I am seeking it, not dispensing it. I dispense > information > where I can, not where I can't (although some people do that!). I have > helped > many people, and many people have helped me. I research in MA, RI, CT, > NY, > IA, OH, VA, NC--so RI is only one state where I research--and in Wales, > England, Ireland, Scotland, Hungary, Germany. I regard my FTM database as > a > working > document. When I am not sure of a piece of information, I say so in > Notes. > Most of the information in it is sure, but when I find info that shows > that > what I have is not true, I do not delete it (too much work to do that and > I > may > be able to help others with it!) but I indicate in Notes that it is not > one > of my lines and why it is not. I have had to drop a few lines, e.g., > VASSALL > and MACCOONE and allied lines for that reason. > > Between 1985 and 1997 when I received as a Christmas present my first > internet-capable computer, I wrote many, many letters to libraries, > genealogical > societies, etc. in New England. I have several three-inch, three-ring > notebooks > full of this correspondence. In other words, I was doing the nitty-gritty > research that you mention. Some, like me, do not have the money to travel > or to > purchase membership in various pay sites or to buy books and CDs, and > besides, by now that I am almost 78 years old, I do not know that I could > travel > long distances alone. I live in Raleigh NC which is some distance from > RI. > If I > lost weight, I probably could (my ongoing bugabear). > > You mention proof. Every once in a while I have to restrain myself from > mouthing off--or emailing off--at the "pristine people" who go on and on > about > primary, secondary, etc. sources. There is really no such thing! Why? > Because > mistakes can be and are made in all kinds of sources, for instance, in a > birth > date on a birth certificate. What can be more primary than that? The > "pristine people" scare the newbies by telling them that only such a > source > can be > trusted when that is not true. > > You say that the newbies just grab and run with information. Exactly! When > you are trying and trying to find information about a person or family > line, > you grab whatever you can find and then work with it to find if it is > true, > to > find more information about it, etc. It is a starting point which is > better > than nothing at all. That's what all of us are doing. > > As for doing one's own research, if people like me relied only on that, I > would have substantially less information for the reasons I gave above, > that I > cannot afford to travel or to buy subscriptions, books, and CDs. It is > wonderful that persons and institutions are now putting their information > online at > no cost. FreeBMD (UK), Fultonhistory.com, Brigham Young University and > Cornell University are some of these. I was lucky, though, that my family > had kept > reliable vital information for a couple or three generations back so I > started out with vital records for my great grandparents, even those born > in Wales > and England. I did belong to ancestry.com for one year and I have > purchased > a few books and CDs over the years, but not nearly as many as I would > have > liked. That's why these lists were set up, so that we can dispense help > where > we can and ask for help where we can't. I wonder if I am speaking for > some > other people on this list. > > Jayne > _perllan987@aol.com_ (mailto:perllan987@aol.com) > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >