Hi, all, I did some research, by contacting a few "gurus" of the Carpenter family.  Here is one response: John,   It appears that whoever compiled the Hopkins material relied on Somersby and/or Savage (or a tertiary source repeating one or the other) for the identification of Thomas Hopkins's wife.  All Somersby's work should be regarded with extreme caution; both he and Savage are wrong in this case.  While immigrant Thomas Hopkins was indeed the nephew of William Arnold--his parents were William and Joan (Arnold) Hopkins--he married neither of Arnold's daughters.  As you know, Elizabeth Arnold married William Carpenter of Providence; Elizabeth's only sister, Joanna, married Zachary Rhodes (NEHGR 33:28, 69:67; Robert Charles Anderson, George Freeman Sanborn Jr., and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634–1635, Volume I A–B [Boston, 1999], 88-90).   >From what I can gather, Thomas Hopkins's wife is unknown.   Gene   In a message dated 3/13/2008 4:21:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, John writes: According to this person William Carpenter's wife was also married to Thomas Hopkins . Can you clarify if you can > John       > Thomas Hopkins, the immigrant ancestor of many of the numerous  > families  >> bearing the name of Hopkins, especially in Rhode Island and  > Massachusetts,  >> was  >> the progenitor of Frederick Ferdinand Hopkins, of Worcester. He was  > the  >> son of  >> William and Joanna (Arnold) Hopkins, and was born in England, April  > 7,  >> 1616,  >> died in Providence in 1684.  >> His mother was a daughter of Thomas and Alice (Gully) Arnold. Joanna  >> Arnold  >> was baptized November 30, 1577; her brother, William Arnold, was  > born  >> June  >> 24, 1587, the father of Bendict Arnold, not the traitor but the  > first  >> governor  >> of Rhode Island under the royal charter of 1643 and ancestor of the  >> Arnolds  >> of Warwick. Her half-brother, Thomas Arnold, is progenitor of the  > Arnold  >> families of northern Rhode Island. The wife of Thomas Hopkins is  >> Elizabeth  >> Arnold,  >> daughter of William Arnold, and sister to Governor Benedict Arnold,  > a  >> cousin.  >> His name first appears on New England Colonial records in Providence,  >> Providence County, Rhode Island, where on July 27, 1640, he was one  > of  >> the 39  >> signers of the agreement for a form of government. His name appears  > once  >> in  >> public  >> records when on Sept. 2, 1650, he was taxed 13s. 4d. In 1652 he was  >> chosen  >> for the office of Commisioner, indicating that he was a man of  >> considerable  >> prominence in the community. He also filled this office in 1659 and  > 1660.  >> In  >> 1655 he was made a freeman and on July 19, 1665, he obtained Lot 93  > in a  >> division of public lands. In 1665,66,67&72 he was the deputy from  >> Providence to  >> the  >> Rhode Island General Assembly in Newport, Rhode Island. In 1667 and  > 1672  >> he  >> was a member of the Town Council of Providence, Providence County,  > Rhode  >> Island.  >> At the outbreak of King Phillips War, or shortly before, when war  > with  >> the  >> Indians became imminent, he removed to a settlement called  > Littleworth,  >> in the  >> town of Oyster Bay on Long Island, NY. He went there with a son who  >> predeceased him. Thomas Hopkins died at the house of Richard Kirby  > in  >> Oyster  >> Bay in  >> 1684. The inventory of his estate was ordered taken by the Oyster Bay  >> authorities on Sept. 17, 1684.  >> A deed given by Maj. William Hopkins, son of Thomas, bearing the  > last  >> named  >> date, is recorded in Providence Book of Deeds, No. 4, page 11,  > wherein  >> certain lands are represented as having formerly belonged to  > William's  >> honored  >> father, Thomas Hopkins, deceased, and as this is a gift deed from  >> William, the  >> elder, to his younger brother, Thomas, prompted probably by a sense  > of  >> the  >> injustice of the law of primogeniture which gave the property of the  >> parent to  >> the eldest son, it is presumable that the conveyance soon followed  > the  >> decease  >> of the parent, thus showing the approximate time of his decease as  >> stated.  >> Savage, in his Genealogical Dictionary, gives the year of his  > decease as  >> 1699.  >> An error without doubt resulting from the fact of a Thomas Hopkins'  > will  >> being probated Feb. 25 of that year. The details of the will  > referred to  >> show  >> conclusively that it was one of some other person bearing the same  > name.  >> Sources: Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worchester County vol1  > P.  >> 823,  >> Ellery Bicknell Crane, Call Number: F72.W9C8vol.1 Genealogy of One  > Line  >> of  >> the Hopkins Family, J.A.&R.A. Reid Printers, Providence, Providence  >> County,  >> Rhode Island 1881 Pp. 7-8. Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors,  >> 1975-79,  >> Page 33. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 2, p. 116.  > One  >> Hundred  >>  >> and Sixty Allied Families, Page 59. The American Genealogist, Vol.  > 20, p.  >> 224. The History of Rhode Island & Providence Plantations by Thomas  >> William  >> Bicknell, Pare 412. Guide to the Early Settlers of America, Page 266.  >> Topographical Dictionary of New England, Emigrants from England to  > New  >> England,  >> Page  >> 143. The First Settlers of New England, Page 149. Ancestral Heads of  > New  >> England  >> Families, Page 123. Genealogies of R. I. Families, Volume I, Mr.  >> Somerby's  >> Genealogy of the Arnold Family, Page 11. The Home Lots of the Early  >> Settlers  >> of the Providence Plantations.       It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. Attached Message From: GeneZub@aol.com To: Johnlsaywhat@aol.com Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 6:59:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time John,   It appears that whoever compiled the Hopkins material relied on Somersby and/or Savage (or a tertiary source repeating one or the other) for the identification of Thomas Hopkins's wife.  All Somersby's work should be regarded with extreme caution; both he and Savage are wrong in this case.  While immigrant Thomas Hopkins was indeed the nephew of William Arnold--his parents were William and Joan (Arnold) Hopkins--he married neither of Arnold's daughters.  As you know, Elizabeth Arnold married William Carpenter of Providence; Elizabeth's only sister, Joanna, married Zachary Rhodes (NEHGR 33:28, 69:67; Robert Charles Anderson, George Freeman Sanborn Jr., and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634–1635, Volume I A–B [Boston, 1999], 88-90).   >From what I can gather, Thomas Hopkins's wife is unknown.   Gene   In a message dated 3/13/2008 4:21:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Johnlsaywhat writes: According to this person William Carpenter's wife was also married to Thomas Hopkins . Can you clarify if you can > John L. Carpenter PO Box 912 Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912       > Thomas Hopkins, the immigrant ancestor of many of the numerous  > families  >> bearing the name of Hopkins, especially in Rhode Island and  > Massachusetts,  >> was  >> the progenitor of Frederick Ferdinand Hopkins, of Worcester. He was  > the  >> son of  >> William and Joanna (Arnold) Hopkins, and was born in England, April  > 7,  >> 1616,  >> died in Providence in 1684.  >> His mother was a daughter of Thomas and Alice (Gully) Arnold. Joanna  >> Arnold  >> was baptized November 30, 1577; her brother, William Arnold, was  > born  >> June  >> 24, 1587, the father of Bendict Arnold, not the traitor but the  > first  >> governor  >> of Rhode Island under the royal charter of 1643 and ancestor of the  >> Arnolds  >> of Warwick. Her half-brother, Thomas Arnold, is progenitor of the  > Arnold  >> families of northern Rhode Island. The wife of Thomas Hopkins is  >> Elizabeth  >> Arnold,  >> daughter of William Arnold, and sister to Governor Benedict Arnold,  > a  >> cousin.  >> His name first appears on New England Colonial records in Providence,  >> Providence County, Rhode Island, where on July 27, 1640, he was one  > of  >> the 39  >> signers of the agreement for a form of government. His name appears  > once  >> in  >> public  >> records when on Sept. 2, 1650, he was taxed 13s. 4d. In 1652 he was  >> chosen  >> for the office of Commisioner, indicating that he was a man of  >> considerable  >> prominence in the community. He also filled this office in 1659 and  > 1660.  >> In  >> 1655 he was made a freeman and on July 19, 1665, he obtained Lot 93  > in a  >> division of public lands. In 1665,66,67&72 he was the deputy from  >> Providence to  >> the  >> Rhode Island General Assembly in Newport, Rhode Island. In 1667 and  > 1672  >> he  >> was a member of the Town Council of Providence, Providence County,  > Rhode  >> Island.  >> At the outbreak of King Phillips War, or shortly before, when war  > with  >> the  >> Indians became imminent, he removed to a settlement called  > Littleworth,  >> in the  >> town of Oyster Bay on Long Island, NY. He went there with a son who  >> predeceased him. Thomas Hopkins died at the house of Richard Kirby  > in  >> Oyster  >> Bay in  >> 1684. The inventory of his estate was ordered taken by the Oyster Bay  >> authorities on Sept. 17, 1684.  >> A deed given by Maj. William Hopkins, son of Thomas, bearing the  > last  >> named  >> date, is recorded in Providence Book of Deeds, No. 4, page 11,  > wherein  >> certain lands are represented as having formerly belonged to  > William's  >> honored  >> father, Thomas Hopkins, deceased, and as this is a gift deed from  >> William, the  >> elder, to his younger brother, Thomas, prompted probably by a sense  > of  >> the  >> injustice of the law of primogeniture which gave the property of the  >> parent to  >> the eldest son, it is presumable that the conveyance soon followed  > the  >> decease  >> of the parent, thus showing the approximate time of his decease as  >> stated.  >> Savage, in his Genealogical Dictionary, gives the year of his  > decease as  >> 1699.  >> An error without doubt resulting from the fact of a Thomas Hopkins'  > will  >> being probated Feb. 25 of that year. The details of the will  > referred to  >> show  >> conclusively that it was one of some other person bearing the same  > name.  >> Sources: Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worchester County vol1  > P.  >> 823,  >> Ellery Bicknell Crane, Call Number: F72.W9C8vol.1 Genealogy of One  > Line  >> of  >> the Hopkins Family, J.A.&R.A. Reid Printers, Providence, Providence  >> County,  >> Rhode Island 1881 Pp. 7-8. Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors,  >> 1975-79,  >> Page 33. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 2, p. 116.  > One  >> Hundred  >>  >> and Sixty Allied Families, Page 59. The American Genealogist, Vol.  > 20, p.  >> 224. The History of Rhode Island & Providence Plantations by Thomas  >> William  >> Bicknell, Pare 412. Guide to the Early Settlers of America, Page 266.  >> Topographical Dictionary of New England, Emigrants from England to  > New  >> England,  >> Page  >> 143. The First Settlers of New England, Page 149. Ancestral Heads of  > New  >> England  >> Families, Page 123. Genealogies of R. I. Families, Volume I, Mr.  >> Somerby's  >> Genealogy of the Arnold Family, Page 11. The Home Lots of the Early  >> Settlers  >> of the Providence Plantations.     It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.   It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.

Was this the Elizabeth Hopkins, daughter of William Hopkins, who was also the wife of Edward Inman? janrobison2@aim.com wrote: Hi, all, I did some research, by contacting a few "gurus" of the Carpenter family. Here is one response: John,  It appears that whoever compiled the Hopkins material relied on Somersby and/or Savage (or a tertiary source repeating one or the other) for the identification of Thomas Hopkins's wife. All Somersby's work should be regarded with extreme caution; both he and Savage are wrong in this case. While immigrant Thomas Hopkins was indeed the nephew of William Arnold--his parents were William and Joan (Arnold) Hopkins--he married neither of Arnold's daughters. As you know, Elizabeth Arnold married William Carpenter of Providence; Elizabeth's only sister, Joanna, married Zachary Rhodes (NEHGR 33:28, 69:67; Robert Charles Anderson, George Freeman Sanborn Jr., and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634–1635, Volume I A–B [Boston, 1999], 88-90).  >From what I can gather, Thomas Hopkins's wife is unknown.  Gene  In a message dated 3/13/2008 4:21:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, John writes: According to this person William Carpenter's wife was also married to Thomas Hopkins . Can you clarify if you can > John    > Thomas Hopkins, the immigrant ancestor of many of the numerous > families >> bearing the name of Hopkins, especially in Rhode Island and > Massachusetts, >> was >> the progenitor of Frederick Ferdinand Hopkins, of Worcester. He was > the >> son of >> William and Joanna (Arnold) Hopkins, and was born in England, April > 7, >> 1616, >> died in Providence in 1684. >> His mother was a daughter of Thomas and Alice (Gully) Arnold. Joanna >> Arnold >> was baptized November 30, 1577; her brother, William Arnold, was > born >> June >> 24, 1587, the father of Bendict Arnold, not the traitor but the > first >> governor >> of Rhode Island under the royal charter of 1643 and ancestor of the >> Arnolds >> of Warwick. Her half-brother, Thomas Arnold, is progenitor of the > Arnold >> families of northern Rhode Island. The wife of Thomas Hopkins is >> Elizabeth >> Arnold, >> daughter of William Arnold, and sister to Governor Benedict Arnold, > a >> cousin. >> His name first appears on New England Colonial records in Providence, >> Providence County, Rhode Island, where on July 27, 1640, he was one > of >> the 39 >> signers of the agreement for a form of government. His name appears > once >> in >> public >> records when on Sept. 2, 1650, he was taxed 13s. 4d. In 1652 he was >> chosen >> for the office of Commisioner, indicating that he was a man of >> considerable >> prominence in the community. He also filled this office in 1659 and > 1660. >> In >> 1655 he was made a freeman and on July 19, 1665, he obtained Lot 93 > in a >> division of public lands. In 1665,66,67&72 he was the deputy from >> Providence to >> the >> Rhode Island General Assembly in Newport, Rhode Island. In 1667 and > 1672 >> he >> was a member of the Town Council of Providence, Providence County, > Rhode >> Island. >> At the outbreak of King Phillips War, or shortly before, when war > with >> the >> Indians became imminent, he removed to a settlement called > Littleworth, >> in the >> town of Oyster Bay on Long Island, NY. He went there with a son who >> predeceased him. Thomas Hopkins died at the house of Richard Kirby > in >> Oyster >> Bay in >> 1684. The inventory of his estate was ordered taken by the Oyster Bay >> authorities on Sept. 17, 1684. >> A deed given by Maj. William Hopkins, son of Thomas, bearing the > last >> named >> date, is recorded in Providence Book of Deeds, No. 4, page 11, > wherein >> certain lands are represented as having formerly belonged to > William's >> honored >> father, Thomas Hopkins, deceased, and as this is a gift deed from >> William, the >> elder, to his younger brother, Thomas, prompted probably by a sense > of >> the >> injustice of the law of primogeniture which gave the property of the >> parent to >> the eldest son, it is presumable that the conveyance soon followed > the >> decease >> of the parent, thus showing the approximate time of his decease as >> stated. >> Savage, in his Genealogical Dictionary, gives the year of his > decease as >> 1699. >> An error without doubt resulting from the fact of a Thomas Hopkins' > will >> being probated Feb. 25 of that year. The details of the will > referred to >> show >> conclusively that it was one of some other person bearing the same > name. >> Sources: Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worchester County vol1 > P. >> 823, >> Ellery Bicknell Crane, Call Number: F72.W9C8vol.1 Genealogy of One > Line >> of >> the Hopkins Family, J.A.&R.A. Reid Printers, Providence, Providence >> County, >> Rhode Island 1881 Pp. 7-8. Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors, >> 1975-79, >> Page 33. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 2, p. 116. > One >> Hundred >> >> and Sixty Allied Families, Page 59. The American Genealogist, Vol. > 20, p. >> 224. The History of Rhode Island & Providence Plantations by Thomas >> William >> Bicknell, Pare 412. Guide to the Early Settlers of America, Page 266. >> Topographical Dictionary of New England, Emigrants from England to > New >> England, >> Page >> 143. The First Settlers of New England, Page 149. Ancestral Heads of > New >> England >> Families, Page 123. Genealogies of R. I. Families, Volume I, Mr. >> Somerby's >> Genealogy of the Arnold Family, Page 11. The Home Lots of the Early >> Settlers >> of the Providence Plantations.    It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. Attached Message From: GeneZub@aol.com To: Johnlsaywhat@aol.com Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 6:59:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time John,  It appears that whoever compiled the Hopkins material relied on Somersby and/or Savage (or a tertiary source repeating one or the other) for the identification of Thomas Hopkins's wife. All Somersby's work should be regarded with extreme caution; both he and Savage are wrong in this case. While immigrant Thomas Hopkins was indeed the nephew of William Arnold--his parents were William and Joan (Arnold) Hopkins--he married neither of Arnold's daughters. As you know, Elizabeth Arnold married William Carpenter of Providence; Elizabeth's only sister, Joanna, married Zachary Rhodes (NEHGR 33:28, 69:67; Robert Charles Anderson, George Freeman Sanborn Jr., and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634–1635, Volume I A–B [Boston, 1999], 88-90).  >From what I can gather, Thomas Hopkins's wife is unknown.  Gene  In a message dated 3/13/2008 4:21:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Johnlsaywhat writes: According to this person William Carpenter's wife was also married to Thomas Hopkins . Can you clarify if you can > John L. Carpenter PO Box 912 Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912    > Thomas Hopkins, the immigrant ancestor of many of the numerous > families >> bearing the name of Hopkins, especially in Rhode Island and > Massachusetts, >> was >> the progenitor of Frederick Ferdinand Hopkins, of Worcester. He was > the >> son of >> William and Joanna (Arnold) Hopkins, and was born in England, April > 7, >> 1616, >> died in Providence in 1684. >> His mother was a daughter of Thomas and Alice (Gully) Arnold. Joanna >> Arnold >> was baptized November 30, 1577; her brother, William Arnold, was > born >> June >> 24, 1587, the father of Bendict Arnold, not the traitor but the > first >> governor >> of Rhode Island under the royal charter of 1643 and ancestor of the >> Arnolds >> of Warwick. Her half-brother, Thomas Arnold, is progenitor of the > Arnold >> families of northern Rhode Island. The wife of Thomas Hopkins is >> Elizabeth >> Arnold, >> daughter of William Arnold, and sister to Governor Benedict Arnold, > a >> cousin. >> His name first appears on New England Colonial records in Providence, >> Providence County, Rhode Island, where on July 27, 1640, he was one > of >> the 39 >> signers of the agreement for a form of government. His name appears > once >> in >> public >> records when on Sept. 2, 1650, he was taxed 13s. 4d. In 1652 he was >> chosen >> for the office of Commisioner, indicating that he was a man of >> considerable >> prominence in the community. He also filled this office in 1659 and > 1660. >> In >> 1655 he was made a freeman and on July 19, 1665, he obtained Lot 93 > in a >> division of public lands. In 1665,66,67&72 he was the deputy from >> Providence to >> the >> Rhode Island General Assembly in Newport, Rhode Island. In 1667 and > 1672 >> he >> was a member of the Town Council of Providence, Providence County, > Rhode >> Island. >> At the outbreak of King Phillips War, or shortly before, when war > with >> the >> Indians became imminent, he removed to a settlement called > Littleworth, >> in the >> town of Oyster Bay on Long Island, NY. He went there with a son who >> predeceased him. Thomas Hopkins died at the house of Richard Kirby > in >> Oyster >> Bay in >> 1684. The inventory of his estate was ordered taken by the Oyster Bay >> authorities on Sept. 17, 1684. >> A deed given by Maj. William Hopkins, son of Thomas, bearing the > last >> named >> date, is recorded in Providence Book of Deeds, No. 4, page 11, > wherein >> certain lands are represented as having formerly belonged to > William's >> honored >> father, Thomas Hopkins, deceased, and as this is a gift deed from >> William, the >> elder, to his younger brother, Thomas, prompted probably by a sense > of >> the >> injustice of the law of primogeniture which gave the property of the >> parent to >> the eldest son, it is presumable that the conveyance soon followed > the >> decease >> of the parent, thus showing the approximate time of his decease as >> stated. >> Savage, in his Genealogical Dictionary, gives the year of his > decease as >> 1699. >> An error without doubt resulting from the fact of a Thomas Hopkins' > will >> being probated Feb. 25 of that year. The details of the will > referred to >> show >> conclusively that it was one of some other person bearing the same > name. >> Sources: Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worchester County vol1 > P. >> 823, >> Ellery Bicknell Crane, Call Number: F72.W9C8vol.1 Genealogy of One > Line >> of >> the Hopkins Family, J.A.&R.A. Reid Printers, Providence, Providence >> County, >> Rhode Island 1881 Pp. 7-8. Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors, >> 1975-79, >> Page 33. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 2, p. 116. > One >> Hundred >> >> and Sixty Allied Families, Page 59. The American Genealogist, Vol. > 20, p. >> 224. The History of Rhode Island & Providence Plantations by Thomas >> William >> Bicknell, Pare 412. Guide to the Early Settlers of America, Page 266. >> Topographical Dictionary of New England, Emigrants from England to > New >> England, >> Page >> 143. The First Settlers of New England, Page 149. Ancestral Heads of > New >> England >> Families, Page 123. Genealogies of R. I. Families, Volume I, Mr. >> Somerby's >> Genealogy of the Arnold Family, Page 11. The Home Lots of the Early >> Settlers >> of the Providence Plantations.   It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.  It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.